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LordYama
Profile Joined August 2010
United States370 Posts
March 12 2015 18:09 GMT
#2821
Life's playstyle seems super vulnerable to early hellbat timings since he never seems to make a roach warren under any circumstance, and never gets an early baneling nest unless he's all-inning. Love the player but it's frustrating to see where he loses like a hundred early zerglings and then loses in the midgame.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 18:10:18
March 12 2015 18:09 GMT
#2822
On March 13 2015 03:08 pure.Wasted wrote:
Where is TheDwf, I need to know why Life is losing to these Hellbat pushes when he had no trouble with ForGG's. :c

because the build Bogus is doing is just banshee play/regular 3rd OC but a bit delayed to get the hellbat push going, not a dedicated 2-base timing. Even if Life holds this, doesn't mean he's even/ahead
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
March 12 2015 18:10 GMT
#2823
hellbats, most likely.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 12 2015 18:10 GMT
#2824
On March 13 2015 03:08 Spinoza wrote:
Is there any doubt that Apollo is the best caster currently in sc2.


ToD PvP is the best.
Moderator
Garsecg
Profile Joined September 2014
United States129 Posts
March 12 2015 18:10 GMT
#2825
On March 13 2015 02:38 Incognoto wrote:
I'm just sick and tired of negative casting.

Casters like Apollo and Kaeliris will look at an engagement and say "oh this is bad for x player", "oh what a mistake from this guy", "oh this is terrible", "what a bad move", "this player is in such a bad position". Whereas it's true, it just gives a negative spin to the game I feel.

I much prefer Tasteless' play by play "ah zerg is moving forward now, looking for a favorable engagement", "oh player y is looking to do something with these lings" or "and now player x has managed to get a very good position in this game". In the case of an actual blunder, you hear "oh well that was an over-extension from the [race] player", "player x made a mistake and player y really managed to capitalize on that" or something which sounds a lot more smooth than ESL casters which spend 20 minutes shitting on everything they see.

It's placebo, I know. But jesus I feel like the casting is really negative. Be more positive about what players are doing right.


This is an excellent point.

Casting should do two things: give the viewer greater knowledge and appreciation for the game, and be entertaining. Both are aimed at making it a better viewing experience.

Positive casting as outlined above does this really well. It builds appreciation for the skill involved in SC2.

In a negative cast, the only things to latch onto as a fan are negative. That means disappointment when thinking about your player, and anger when thinking of their opponent (both make mistakes, but your guy still loses!).

Instead of building appreciation for the players, their skill and their decision making, every game becomes a Game of Throws.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 12 2015 18:11 GMT
#2826
On March 13 2015 03:09 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:08 pure.Wasted wrote:
Where is TheDwf, I need to know why Life is losing to these Hellbat pushes when he had no trouble with ForGG's. :c

because the build Bogus is doing is just banshee play/regular 3rd OC but a bit delayed to get the hellbat push going, not a dedicated 2-base timing. Even if Life holds this, doesn't mean he's even/ahead

holding it with no drone losses puts you ahead, Innovation delayed upgrades
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 12 2015 18:11 GMT
#2827
on the other news, I've just booked my plane tickets to Valencia

expect me, Dreamhack
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19344 Posts
March 12 2015 18:12 GMT
#2828
Not enough LR-ing going on for this game. Help the needy!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 12 2015 18:12 GMT
#2829
On March 13 2015 03:11 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:09 Ej_ wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:08 pure.Wasted wrote:
Where is TheDwf, I need to know why Life is losing to these Hellbat pushes when he had no trouble with ForGG's. :c

because the build Bogus is doing is just banshee play/regular 3rd OC but a bit delayed to get the hellbat push going, not a dedicated 2-base timing. Even if Life holds this, doesn't mean he's even/ahead

holding it with no drone losses puts you ahead, Innovation delayed upgrades

yeah but he loses too many drones to break even vs a macro build
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
hborrgg
Profile Joined February 2015
United States888 Posts
March 12 2015 18:12 GMT
#2830
On March 13 2015 03:09 The_Templar wrote:
I want to see some island bases being taken.

I want to see Inno take the island next to life's main.
NaboliC
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden130 Posts
March 12 2015 18:13 GMT
#2831
On March 13 2015 03:07 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:05 NaboliC wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:04 Alchemik wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:02 NaboliC wrote:
So if Life stopped losing to small pushes in the start he could actually win this.

interesting to call that a "small push"

Yes. 8 hellbats and a banshee could be stopped with a spore and some blings. Now he just had a spine and 3 queens when everything came.

if all you have is a spore and some banelings, Terran will gladly take his easy win

and you have to scout it to have banelings, you don't just randomly morph some of them at the 8 minute mark

I thought it was obvious he had to scout it first. Or at least have a banelings nest ready. One "random" spore, 3 queens and blingnest ready is good. A blind spore is used by other players.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 12 2015 18:13 GMT
#2832
On March 13 2015 03:11 Ej_ wrote:
on the other news, I've just booked my plane tickets to Valencia

expect me, Dreamhack

Tomorrow's headline
"Dreamhack no longer hosting SC2 at Valencia"
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 12 2015 18:13 GMT
#2833
this gonna be a long game
rip passion
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 12 2015 18:13 GMT
#2834
On March 13 2015 03:09 sibs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:08 pure.Wasted wrote:
Where is TheDwf, I need to know why Life is losing to these Hellbat pushes when he had no trouble with ForGG's. :c


He had banelings vs forgg's pushes.


On March 13 2015 03:09 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:08 pure.Wasted wrote:
Where is TheDwf, I need to know why Life is losing to these Hellbat pushes when he had no trouble with ForGG's. :c

because the build Bogus is doing is just banshee play/regular 3rd OC but a bit delayed to get the hellbat push going, not a dedicated 2-base timing. Even if Life holds this, doesn't mean he's even/ahead


Hmm. Thanks.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
March 12 2015 18:13 GMT
#2835
On March 13 2015 03:11 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:09 Ej_ wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:08 pure.Wasted wrote:
Where is TheDwf, I need to know why Life is losing to these Hellbat pushes when he had no trouble with ForGG's. :c

because the build Bogus is doing is just banshee play/regular 3rd OC but a bit delayed to get the hellbat push going, not a dedicated 2-base timing. Even if Life holds this, doesn't mean he's even/ahead

holding it with no drone losses puts you ahead, Innovation delayed upgrades

eh, the lead would be marginal at best i think
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
CAG Husker
Profile Joined August 2014
United States117 Posts
March 12 2015 18:13 GMT
#2836
On March 13 2015 03:12 hborrgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:09 The_Templar wrote:
I want to see some island bases being taken.

I want to see Inno take the island next to life's main.

The CC was heading that way, but unfortunately it landed at his third
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 12 2015 18:14 GMT
#2837
On March 13 2015 03:12 BisuDagger wrote:
Not enough LR-ing going on for this game. Help the needy!

cross inferno pools

hatch FE with speed, 3 queen build etc etc
Bogus reaper FE, factory, 3rd CC
Life 3rd base (non-gold), spine at home
hellions are out
Life denies the hellion runby with his 3 queens

lings dodge hellions and run to Bogus' base, Life 2 evos
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 12 2015 18:14 GMT
#2838
On March 13 2015 03:13 CAG Husker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:12 hborrgg wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:09 The_Templar wrote:
I want to see some island bases being taken.

I want to see Inno take the island next to life's main.

The CC was heading that way, but unfortunately it landed at his third

INnoVation killing ESPORTS.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 12 2015 18:14 GMT
#2839
4 drones on extractor is pretty much gg. what a sad way to go for Life
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 12 2015 18:14 GMT
#2840
On March 13 2015 03:13 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:11 Ej_ wrote:
on the other news, I've just booked my plane tickets to Valencia

expect me, Dreamhack

Tomorrow's headline
"Dreamhack no longer hosting SC2 at Valencia"


I'd go to Valencia to watch minecraft. It's a growing competitive scene with a diversity of games
rip passion
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