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On February 05 2015 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:19 NaboliC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:17 NaboliC wrote:
A really good game but i think that zerg lack the ability to harras due to PF:s while terran can harras with drops all the time. That impedes multitasking for zerg also. mutas I mean in lategame like in this game. You don't build mutas at that point since they are useless. well yeh but if you choose a lategame immobile army you can't also have an awesome harass army.
That is what I mean is the problem of zerg. You should be able to do both, like terran does.
On February 05 2015 19:19 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:19 NaboliC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:17 NaboliC wrote:
A really good game but i think that zerg lack the ability to harras due to PF:s while terran can harras with drops all the time. That impedes multitasking for zerg also. mutas I mean in lategame like in this game. You don't build mutas at that point since they are useless. you can play with mass muta 3/3 without any problem in lategame ZvT.
In this game, no way. Mass 3/3 muta can't fight vs 3/3 marines with medivacs and still have a ground army.
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On February 05 2015 19:21 NaboliC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:19 NaboliC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:17 NaboliC wrote:
A really good game but i think that zerg lack the ability to harras due to PF:s while terran can harras with drops all the time. That impedes multitasking for zerg also. mutas I mean in lategame like in this game. You don't build mutas at that point since they are useless. well yeh but if you choose a lategame immobile army you can't also have an awesome harass army. That is what I mean is the problem of zerg. You should be able to do both, like terran does. Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:19 sAsImre wrote:On February 05 2015 19:19 NaboliC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:17 NaboliC wrote:
A really good game but i think that zerg lack the ability to harras due to PF:s while terran can harras with drops all the time. That impedes multitasking for zerg also. mutas I mean in lategame like in this game. You don't build mutas at that point since they are useless. you can play with mass muta 3/3 without any problem in lategame ZvT. In this game, no way. Mass 3/3 muta can't fight vs 3/3 marines with medivacs and still have a ground army.
umm Terrans ultimate lategame is mech and that is definetly NOT mobile . Terran bio is good and mobile but isnt as strong as zergs immobile comp. Its a balance
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On February 05 2015 19:21 NaboliC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:19 NaboliC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:17 NaboliC wrote:
A really good game but i think that zerg lack the ability to harras due to PF:s while terran can harras with drops all the time. That impedes multitasking for zerg also. mutas I mean in lategame like in this game. You don't build mutas at that point since they are useless. well yeh but if you choose a lategame immobile army you can't also have an awesome harass army. That is what I mean is the problem of zerg. You should be able to do both, like terran does. Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:19 sAsImre wrote:On February 05 2015 19:19 NaboliC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:On February 05 2015 19:17 NaboliC wrote:
A really good game but i think that zerg lack the ability to harras due to PF:s while terran can harras with drops all the time. That impedes multitasking for zerg also. mutas I mean in lategame like in this game. You don't build mutas at that point since they are useless. you can play with mass muta 3/3 without any problem in lategame ZvT. In this game, no way. Mass 3/3 muta can't fight vs 3/3 marines with medivacs and still have a ground army.
You don't fight head on outside of your creep and if the T wants to go on your side of the map you take his whole economy before trying to crush him with masse banes + your mutas. It was the favorite style for a while and some Z are still using it.
Terran ultimate lategame is sky T and it's as slow as brood lords...
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On February 05 2015 19:20 The_Templar wrote:2:00 Dark opens 13 pool. TY opening with a barracks followed by a later gas. Dark expanding. TY getting a marine. 3:00 Zerglings moving across the map. Reactor goes on the barracks. TY expanding. Zerglings move across the map and find two marines. TY pulls lots of SCVs but holds the zerglings with only one worker loss. 4:00 Factory for TY. Dark sneaks back into the natural and kills the SCV building the OC again. TY has four marines now. 5:00 Starport for TY. Dark building drones. TY looking for overlords with a barracks and marines. TY starting hellion production.
6:00
Dark is still on two bases.
Roach warren and lair on the way.
TY going for a mine/marine drop.
Banshee being made for TY.
Dark getting two evolution chambers.
The drop arrives in the main, and only four zerglings and queen are there, but more queens arrive and kill the medivac.
The marines finish off three queens.
8:00  Dark 47 vs  TY 52
Five drones also died.
TY getting a bunker and cloak for his banshee, as well as another one.
Two engineering bays for TY.
Dark getting +1/1 ranged and his third base.
9:00 Dark 63 vs TY 63
Third CC starts for TY.
+1/1 and a tank for TY.
An overseer hangs out in TY's main base.
Two banshees go for Dark's main base but die to queens.
10:00 Dark 76 vs TY 67
The overseer lands two changelings which prevent the starport from landing.
TY taking his third base.
Dark is on 63 drones and is finished with his third base.
Spire, zergling speed and baneling speed for Dark.
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Here we go again guys, super long macro game inc 
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On February 05 2015 19:24 The_Templar wrote:Here we go again guys, super long macro game inc
Hmm no, TY should win it quickly
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TY should rip him apart in the next 4 minutes
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On February 05 2015 19:24 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:20 The_Templar wrote:2:00 Dark opens 13 pool. TY opening with a barracks followed by a later gas. Dark expanding. TY getting a marine. 3:00 Zerglings moving across the map. Reactor goes on the barracks. TY expanding. Zerglings move across the map and find two marines. TY pulls lots of SCVs but holds the zerglings with only one worker loss. 4:00 Factory for TY. Dark sneaks back into the natural and kills the SCV building the OC again. TY has four marines now. 5:00 Starport for TY. Dark building drones. TY looking for overlords with a barracks and marines. TY starting hellion production. 6:00 Dark is still on two bases. Roach warren and lair on the way. TY going for a mine/marine drop. Banshee being made for TY. Dark getting two evolution chambers. The drop arrives in the main, and only four zerglings and queen are there, but more queens arrive and kill the medivac. The marines finish off three queens. 8:00 Dark 47 vs TY 52 Five drones also died. TY getting a bunker and cloak for his banshee, as well as another one. Two engineering bays for TY. Dark getting +1/1 ranged and his third base. 9:00 Dark 63 vs TY 63 Third CC starts for TY. +1/1 and a tank for TY. An overseer hangs out in TY's main base. Two banshees go for Dark's main base but die to queens. 10:00 Dark 76 vs TY 67 The overseer lands two changelings which prevent the starport from landing. TY taking his third base. Dark is on 63 drones and is finished with his third base. Spire, zergling speed and baneling speed for Dark.
12:00 Dark 97 vs TY 104
Dark taking a fourth base.
Dark morphing some banelings at home.
TY attempting a drop on the main base of Dark.
Spire finishing.
Dark has very few units do deal with the drop, and he starts 10 mutalisks.
14:00 Dark 124 vs TY 137
The mines in the drop kill overlords but the spawning pool dies.
TY's drop is cleaned up by mutalisks but he has another attack force including mines outside Dark's fourth base.
Dark deals with the attack on his fourth base.
15:00 Dark 152 vs TY 158
TY clearing creep at the center.
TY sending a large army over towards Dark's fourth base.
Mines are baited, with lots of them doing friendly fire.
Dark sends in his army and mutalisk/roach cleans up.
A drop kills a queen before getting destroyed.
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Yeah mismicro by the 4th was painful
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Quick! Kill that supply depot! :D
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Ty needs to chill out and stop dropping for a sec
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On February 05 2015 19:27 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:24 The_Templar wrote:On February 05 2015 19:20 The_Templar wrote:2:00 Dark opens 13 pool. TY opening with a barracks followed by a later gas. Dark expanding. TY getting a marine. 3:00 Zerglings moving across the map. Reactor goes on the barracks. TY expanding. Zerglings move across the map and find two marines. TY pulls lots of SCVs but holds the zerglings with only one worker loss. 4:00 Factory for TY. Dark sneaks back into the natural and kills the SCV building the OC again. TY has four marines now. 5:00 Starport for TY. Dark building drones. TY looking for overlords with a barracks and marines. TY starting hellion production. 6:00 Dark is still on two bases. Roach warren and lair on the way. TY going for a mine/marine drop. Banshee being made for TY. Dark getting two evolution chambers. The drop arrives in the main, and only four zerglings and queen are there, but more queens arrive and kill the medivac. The marines finish off three queens. 8:00 Dark 47 vs TY 52 Five drones also died. TY getting a bunker and cloak for his banshee, as well as another one. Two engineering bays for TY. Dark getting +1/1 ranged and his third base. 9:00 Dark 63 vs TY 63 Third CC starts for TY. +1/1 and a tank for TY. An overseer hangs out in TY's main base. Two banshees go for Dark's main base but die to queens. 10:00 Dark 76 vs TY 67 The overseer lands two changelings which prevent the starport from landing. TY taking his third base. Dark is on 63 drones and is finished with his third base. Spire, zergling speed and baneling speed for Dark. 12:00 Dark 97 vs TY 104 Dark taking a fourth base. Dark morphing some banelings at home. TY attempting a drop on the main base of Dark. Spire finishing. Dark has very few units do deal with the drop, and he starts 10 mutalisks. 14:00 Dark 124 vs TY 137 The mines in the drop kill overlords but the spawning pool dies. TY's drop is cleaned up by mutalisks but he has another attack force including mines outside Dark's fourth base. Dark deals with the attack on his fourth base. 15:00 Dark 152 vs TY 158 TY clearing creep at the center. TY sending a large army over towards Dark's fourth base. Mines are baited, with lots of them doing friendly fire. Dark sends in his army and mutalisk/roach cleans up. A drop kills a queen before getting destroyed.
17:00 Dark 168 vs TY 165
Changelings move towards the third base of Dark but are killed.
Thor production starts for TY.
TY moving along the opposite side of the map.
Dark looking for TY's army.
Fourth medivacs drop marines in the main base.
Lots of banelings are used to destroy the drop.
18:00 Dark 169 vs TY 153
A single marauder nearly kills the hatchery at Dark's fourth but fails.
+3/3 is half done for TY.
Dark on 81 drones versus 73 SCVs.
Banelings being hidden on the right hand side of the map.
The two armies clash and Dark detonates banelings on a thor.
20:00 Dark 153 vs TY 133
Banelings roll into tanks at TY's third base.
Mutalisks go into the natural expansion and kill a few add ons.
A drop kills Dark's fourth.
Dark taking the clockwise third base.
A mine drop damages a lot of mutalisks.
A drop on the CCW third is cleaned up.
TY has taken the clockwise fourth base in the meantime.
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On February 05 2015 19:31 Kashll wrote:
Ty needs to chill out and stop dropping for a sec
this is TY, that's not possible
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On February 05 2015 19:31 Kashll wrote:
Ty needs to chill out and stop dropping for a sec
It's TY. He can't
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There is something ensorcelling about watching 30+ banelings roll around
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