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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:20 brickrd wrote: i don't understand why people who don't play protoss hate watching pvp so much you literally get to watch protoss get protossed in every single game hahahah. i do tend to like PvP, i'm hoping we get something like Zest vs herO (sandisk shoutcraft, not kespa cup). that was an amazing best of 7 | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:19 BisuDagger wrote: This is actually a pretty sick finals matchup for PvP. I expect better games then the bomber vs rain TvP we just witnessed. + Show Spoiler [snarky video] + I like PvP matches. Probably because I don't play protoss but they look so stressful. | ||
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Foreverkul
United States1649 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:13 Makro wrote: Taeja should have shown them whats up! | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:20 Makro wrote: since some times i do enjoy pvp, but i can't stand zvz anymore is it weird that i enjoy watching zvz? maybe it's because i find a lot of enjoyment of just playing roach vs roach. i dont know what it is but it's just fun | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: is it weird that i enjoy watching zvz? maybe it's because i find a lot of enjoyment of just playing roach vs roach. i dont know what it is but it's just fun ye as a zerg player i always felt zvz is actually pretty similar to tvz in terms of how it plays out, just lots of rallies and skirmishes all the time and the player with the better macro and better mechanics usually wins i see how it's boring for people who don't play zerg and can't sympathize with what they're seeing from a player's perspective | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:25 brickrd wrote: ye as a zerg player i always felt zvz is actually pretty similar to tvz in terms of how it plays out, just lots of rallies and skirmishes all the time and the player with the better macro and better mechanics usually wins i see how it's boring for people who don't play zerg and can't sympathize with what they're seeing from a player's perspective Any matchup where mechanics is a strong deciding factor is a fun matchup to play | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
Btw, isn't that odd that we still haven't got any news about Proleague, isn't it supposed to start in December ? | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:27 Boucot wrote: Seems like no Proleague for Jaedong (if needed to end the rumors) https://twitter.com/EGJaedong/status/541810435432124416 Btw, isn't that odd that we still haven't got any news about Proleague, isn't it supposed to start in December ? probably will start after ssl qualies | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:20 brickrd wrote: i don't understand why people who don't play protoss hate watching pvp so much you literally get to watch protoss get protossed in every single game (this is also why i cannon rush in unranked pvp) Its simply the most boring matchup to watch. I play all 3 races but the way protoss is designed is just somhow more boring to watch then mass zerg units streaming in and getting killed or the micro of a terran. With protoss you have those low numbers of hightech units clumbed together and wait for the protoss player to press the F button or the T button in a fight. 2 of those even worse. Also the reinforcement mechanics/macro of the other 2 races are more interesting to watch then just "warp in in your face". PvP is absolutely the worst matchup it lacks in variety and the race is designed too cheesy so its either way a very fast cheesy win or a mirror build. U can't really tell you what it is exactly, but if it goes for mirrors, the best MU is TvT, because there are different valuable strats, even mech vs bio but even so within bio vs bio, very interesting approaches (though, I am talking about macro games here, not the recently more cheesy ones). Roach vs Roach isn't interesting either, but mass of armies engaging is better then 2 groups of low numbers-high tech units AVOIDING to engage until the final, anticlimatic battle. Also I am tired of seeing PvPs, as if there weren'T enough in 2014. It got better recently, but throughout 2014 there have been 100s of PvPs, PvZs and ZvZs, and not that much of terran, leading to a sort of "tiredness" when it comes to watching Protoss. At least that is in my case, and ofc not everyones opinion. But I am not alone, as I have seen viewer counts going down from 36K to 25K. But sometimes its just pure hatred because of the "protoss bullshit" (see the article here) or some players, being ahead making one mistakes and getting walked over so hard by the protoss, even the term "protossed" doesn't fit anymore. Its just sometimes annoying to watch, and even though the winrates point to a very balanced game on most maps, when watching, it sometimes feels unfair. But I guess the latter goes for every non-mirror matchup and race. But I have the FEELING it is mostly with protoss, and SCV Pulls and such are pure desperation sometimes, not having a real lategame plan I hope this helps you more to understand then the typical "Protoss is just a boring race"  | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:30 Rollora wrote: At least that is in my case, and ofc not everyones opinion. But I am not alone, as I have seen viewer counts going down from 36K to 25K. don't attribute a drop in viewership to simply a matchup. it's late and people are going to bed. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:25 brickrd wrote: ye as a zerg player i always felt zvz is actually pretty similar to tvz in terms of how it plays out, just lots of rallies and skirmishes all the time and the player with the better macro and better mechanics usually wins i see how it's boring for people who don't play zerg and can't sympathize with what they're seeing from a player's perspective I don't tend to enjoy one roach ball shoved into another roach ball, but small skirmishes are pretty fun occasionally, and the positioning is pretty cool to watch sometimes (e.g. Scarlett vs Toodming) edit: And obviously early game bane / ling stuff is pretty nice as well mostly. Basically 10 pools every time would be perfect | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2656 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: don't attribute a drop in viewership to simply a matchup. it's late and people are going to bed. But they are going to bed because of the games, you don't simple lose 10K all of once because of that all of a sudden | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: don't attribute a drop in viewership to simply a matchup. it's late and people are going to bed. also not everyone leaves the stream on during breaks/analysis. some people close windows or open another stream or do something else for a while but thanks for the writeup about pvp, it's not that i literally "don't understand" why people find something boring, just that i find it fun to watch anyway because it's silly and volatile, sort of like watching bronze league heroes  | ||
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ucDarchon
Germany119 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Neazbo
United Kingdom698 Posts
On December 08 2014 13:35 ucDarchon wrote: Wait, why the fuck are neither Rotterdam nor ToD casting a PvP final? What the fuck? +1. What the fuck is this shit? | ||
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