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On November 28 2014 23:43 Jockmcplop wrote:If you are seeing that as a narrative, then you are probably also seeing this as a narrative. You can make up anything you want and call it a narrative, it doesn't make it so.
You are seriously trying to claim that large numbers of Terrans haven't, for YEARS...literally since SC2 released, bought into the argument of "Terran players are just better" when there are numerous indications of balance issues? Sorry, but to claim that hasn't been and still isn't an issue is almost comical having seen what these forums have been like since the release of WoL.
On November 28 2014 23:44 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:37 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:35 nath wrote:On November 28 2014 23:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 28 2014 23:28 nath wrote:
man i thought protoss players always said that only terran cries about balance...
one game where protoss wasn't really ahead but apparently "outplayed terran" or even some people have the stupidity to say "won" then "lost with scv pull"...he made colossus at a bad time after a really weird PvT build. there are tons of scv pulls that don't work in even games.
its one fucking game. there are tons of other samples to show that pvt has a variety of outcomes.
and lifting building causing draw almost never happens, MC didn't have to sac his entire economy to basetrade, he could have had enough money for a sg+pheonix. I am sorry man, but even Flash admitted after Hot6ix cup, that Terran si pretty strong lately. Zest said, that Terran is OP :-) Who to believe, Flash or TheDwf? Don't know, I go with Zest  you dont think protoss was strong before? you dont think that balance changes constantly with adaptations and evolution of play, (not to mention maps, although protoss has been strong with similar maps) you really think THIS one game can be used to analyze balance? if terran is strong vs protoss in general, we did not see that in these games, since these games contained tons of mistakes on both sides. regardless of balance, either player could have won this series easily. i just dont see your point. instead of crying, take a second to read what the fuck im saying. its really disrespectful not to. im not saying terran isn't stronger than protoss. im saying these games can't be used as a basis to analyze anything, let alone the relative balance of an entire matchup. other games could be used, a large subset of games could be used, flash and zest's statements mean a lot and could be used (not by themselves)...but not this series. which is what the whiners are doing. which was my only point there's always a shitstorm when MC loses, just roll with it and mock the crying protosses, no need for anger  Well the losing way "force draw" into "scv pull" is the same as winning by "fake blink allin" or "good forcefields" into "so good storms". It is the same level of "wrong" play from P view. Just T cannot see it, even though they see it when storm is raining from the air ,) The last 2 games showed basically everything what is wrong in PvT. You cannot fight without splash, SCV pulls are insanely strong, it is hard to defend 3 bases at a time and T has huge advantage in basetrades. I am not saying MC should have win, but it showed THIS greatly. No, MC doesn't have proper splash damage and therefore he lost, yup. So we can stop this, probably, no? Now we have another Terran advancing, probably. Unless wrists issues or summer issues 
Pretty much. The series exemplified the very worst issues, regardless of how the play was. THAT'S why people are annoyed at it. Or at least that's why I'm annoyed at it.
On November 28 2014 23:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:46 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:45 stuchiu wrote:
All I'v learned from this is that Zerg players should bitch more. If only soO wasnt so godlike. I feel like Infestor Broodlord and having that one zerg asshole makes us just unable to bitch. nah, Zerg definitely had the weakest op period
Dunno about that. I think the actual strategy itself was absurdly OP. But in terms of everything else...I guess its because it was right before the new game so people sort of blanked it out. It was also counterbalanced by the fact that Zerg was pretty much the weakest race for a long time before that; so the race had some "OP Credit" to cash in before people started getting really annoyed at it.
On the flip side GOMTvT was pretty much toxic as hell and led to a huge amount of Terrans with massive chips on their shoulders, which is why people get wound up at T dominance. And Protoss has always been perceived by a number of people as OP no matter how badly the race has actually been doing; which is why people get wound up at P dominance.
Alternatively it could just be that Zerg are just so cuddly it makes it hard to dislike them.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Poll: Recommend TaeJa vs HerO Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (2) 29% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 43% ★★★- Good game (2) 29% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend TaeJa vs HerO Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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your Country52798 Posts
That drop was unnecessary and risky but I guess it worked out
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On November 29 2014 00:01 SatedSC2 wrote:
People whining about balance when it can comfortably be proved that recent Protoss and Terran imbalance periods have been caused by shitty maps.
clearly we need more The_Templar maps to save us.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Please stop the balance debate.
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your Country52798 Posts
On November 29 2014 00:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:01 SatedSC2 wrote:
People whining about balance when it can comfortably be proved that recent Protoss and Terran imbalance periods have been caused by shitty maps. clearly we need more The_Templar maps to save us.
Pretty sure you don't
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On November 28 2014 23:59 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:55 Boucot wrote:On November 28 2014 23:54 Aeromi wrote:On November 28 2014 23:51 Boucot wrote:LOL that ForGG interview, he actually understands french flawlessly, didn't know that. Doesn't speak it though. I thinh ShortID translated it but it was cut when he was editing the video :D Nope, ShortID talks about that in the video, he says at the beginning he was translating then he stopped doing it. That's amazing ! Forgg such a cool boy ! 
after living so much times in the gaming house, being able to understand a bit of the local language is something normal
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On November 29 2014 00:02 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 29 2014 00:01 SatedSC2 wrote:
People whining about balance when it can comfortably be proved that recent Protoss and Terran imbalance periods have been caused by shitty maps. clearly we need more The_Templar maps to save us. Pretty sure you don't
dude how do you have 33,000 posts
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United Kingdom10026 Posts
edit: continued balance talk, will stop now.
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your Country52798 Posts
On November 29 2014 00:03 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:02 The_Templar wrote:On November 29 2014 00:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 29 2014 00:01 SatedSC2 wrote:
People whining about balance when it can comfortably be proved that recent Protoss and Terran imbalance periods have been caused by shitty maps. clearly we need more The_Templar maps to save us. Pretty sure you don't dude how do you have 33,000 posts
Blizzcon gave me 5000+ posts and I LR a lot.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On November 29 2014 00:01 RaFox17 wrote:
HerO? What was that!?!?!
That was Taeja, the man is on fire! Like summer never ended or what...
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On November 29 2014 00:03 Jockmcplop wrote:
edit: continued balance talk, will stop now.
Sniper was 10x the player Ryung was.
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On November 29 2014 00:03 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:02 The_Templar wrote:On November 29 2014 00:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 29 2014 00:01 SatedSC2 wrote:
People whining about balance when it can comfortably be proved that recent Protoss and Terran imbalance periods have been caused by shitty maps. clearly we need more The_Templar maps to save us. Pretty sure you don't dude how do you have 33,000 posts
You clearly haven't seen shellbot
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On November 29 2014 00:04 deacon.frost wrote:That was Taeja, the man is on fire! Like summer never ended or what...
I don´t know. HerO should have realised that he can´t just win when Taeja was ready. He should have expanded and delayed Taejas expansion as long as possible. Weak play from HerO in my opinion.
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On November 29 2014 00:04 deacon.frost wrote:That was Taeja, the man is on fire! Like summer never ended or what...
This winter has been pretty warm where I live. I'm gonna assume Taeja's performance is directly related to my percieved temperature.
I might go take a cold shower next game so people can't complain about terran op.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On November 29 2014 00:02 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 00:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 29 2014 00:01 SatedSC2 wrote:
People whining about balance when it can comfortably be proved that recent Protoss and Terran imbalance periods have been caused by shitty maps. clearly we need more The_Templar maps to save us. Pretty sure you don't
Excuse my ignorance, but what map is yours creation? Thanks!
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On November 29 2014 00:01 SatedSC2 wrote:
People whining about balance when it can comfortably be proved that recent Protoss and Terran imbalance periods have been caused by shitty maps.
I would strech it and say it applies to TvZ.
And i won't call the maps shitty :/ they just adress previous balance issues. They turned the balance upside down instead of hitting perfect balance, but its hard to blame most of the changes.
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