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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Usually there is no winners bracket
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Someone make time stop please  two of my favourite players fighting to death
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On November 28 2014 23:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:46 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:45 stuchiu wrote:
All I'v learned from this is that Zerg players should bitch more. If only soO wasnt so godlike. I feel like Infestor Broodlord and having that one zerg asshole makes us just unable to bitch. nah, Zerg definitely had the weakest op period
I mean I don't know what it is, but I feel like we as zerg players are, by some outside controlling force, are physically incapable of bitching.
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On November 28 2014 23:48 Topin wrote:
how is the score between Taeja and HerO?
0-0
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On November 28 2014 23:48 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:46 Die4Ever wrote:On November 28 2014 23:45 Lorning wrote:
We're 1 hour and 15 minutes behind schedule btw yay for long breaks while behind schedule I wouldn't mind an 18 hour day personally
I'd like to be able to get some programming done today lol
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:47 SharkStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:39 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:On November 28 2014 23:22 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:19 SharkStarcraft wrote:On November 28 2014 23:17 checkupriv wrote:On November 28 2014 23:16 SharkStarcraft wrote:
i fucking hate this build
protoss outplays you the entire game? Let's pull the boys and win anyway! mc outplayed him by turtling with nexus cannon while jjakji tried to be everywhere He outplayed him by defending his quick third perfectly, fending off all drops nearly without losses while killing several medivacs and had way better upgrades. Then terran pulls scvs and a-moves. It's just so so wrong. Yeah, we should probably go back to the blessed early days of 2014 when Protoss could take a fast third AND defend it AND tech Storm at their heart's content  Or we can praise this map pool and last buffs, which allowed pros to say - Terran is OP. But it is not a huge wall of text, so nobody listens, right? Edit -> for example Zest(!!) Waaah, Zest said that Terran was OP, I'm now massively convinced http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_DreamHack_Open/Stockholmhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MSI_Beat_IThttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_WCS_Global_Finalshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/10http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/32_Boys_1_Cuphttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PughCraft_Invitational_2Weird, then, that the recent big tournaments results don't exactly seem to showcase this, uh!? Pay attention, in particular, to the massive, absolute domination Terran exerted over the Pughcraft tournament. It was like 2011 all over again. Always hilarious to see the "analysis" of the game by low level Protoss. Yeah, MC should totally be able to get away with Oracle forge into 7'30 third into losing most of his Sentries into late Colossi + almost complete map blindness into a bad engagement against Terran's best timing attack. Entitled much by early 2014? And you're the guys who constantly bring GomTvT as the so-called "evidence" that Terrans are some kind of spoiled brats—haha, my God, the irony... Can't handle the arrogance this post contains, not even gonna argue. Pure pseudo high-level Terran bias.
Yes, TheDwf is hypocrite to me. He whines on pages when Terran is in shambles. He closes his eyes when Terran is strong :o)
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On November 28 2014 23:49 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:48 The_Templar wrote:On November 28 2014 23:46 Die4Ever wrote:On November 28 2014 23:45 Lorning wrote:
We're 1 hour and 15 minutes behind schedule btw yay for long breaks while behind schedule I wouldn't mind an 18 hour day personally I'd like to be able to get some programming done today lol
Who needs programming when we have progaming.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:47 SharkStarcraft wrote:On November 28 2014 23:39 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:On November 28 2014 23:22 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:19 SharkStarcraft wrote:On November 28 2014 23:17 checkupriv wrote:On November 28 2014 23:16 SharkStarcraft wrote:
i fucking hate this build
protoss outplays you the entire game? Let's pull the boys and win anyway! mc outplayed him by turtling with nexus cannon while jjakji tried to be everywhere He outplayed him by defending his quick third perfectly, fending off all drops nearly without losses while killing several medivacs and had way better upgrades. Then terran pulls scvs and a-moves. It's just so so wrong. Yeah, we should probably go back to the blessed early days of 2014 when Protoss could take a fast third AND defend it AND tech Storm at their heart's content Or we can praise this map pool and last buffs, which allowed pros to say - Terran is OP. But it is not a huge wall of text, so nobody listens, right? Edit -> for example Zest(!!) Waaah, Zest said that Terran was OP, I'm now massively convinced http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_DreamHack_Open/Stockholmhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MSI_Beat_IThttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_WCS_Global_Finalshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/10http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/32_Boys_1_Cuphttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PughCraft_Invitational_2Weird, then, that the recent big tournaments results don't exactly seem to showcase this, uh!? Pay attention, in particular, to the massive, absolute domination Terran exerted over the Pughcraft tournament. It was like 2011 all over again. Always hilarious to see the "analysis" of the game by low level Protoss. Yeah, MC should totally be able to get away with Oracle forge into 7'30 third into losing most of his Sentries into late Colossi + almost complete map blindness into a bad engagement against Terran's best timing attack. Entitled much by early 2014? And you're the guys who constantly bring GomTvT as the so-called "evidence" that Terrans are some kind of spoiled brats—haha, my God, the irony... Can't handle the arrogance this post contains, not even gonna argue. Pure pseudo high-level Terran bias. Can't handle basic facts either, how convenient.
TheDwf such a whinebabby 
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On November 28 2014 23:49 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:48 Topin wrote:
how is the score between Taeja and HerO? 0-0
xD in general i meant
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Has there been a Dreamhack where HerO and TaeJa both attended and they haven't teamkilled each other?
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If Taeja loses here i can guarantee we will see another post about retirement.
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On November 28 2014 23:50 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:49 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:48 Topin wrote:
how is the score between Taeja and HerO? 0-0 xD in general i meant
Ups, sorry! TaeJa leads 9-4 in HotS
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LOL that ForGG interview, he actually understands french flawlessly, didn't know that. Doesn't speak it though.
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I so hope Taeja loses so i can see how salty Nathanias will be XD
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On November 28 2014 23:44 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:37 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:35 nath wrote:On November 28 2014 23:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 28 2014 23:28 nath wrote:
man i thought protoss players always said that only terran cries about balance...
one game where protoss wasn't really ahead but apparently "outplayed terran" or even some people have the stupidity to say "won" then "lost with scv pull"...he made colossus at a bad time after a really weird PvT build. there are tons of scv pulls that don't work in even games.
its one fucking game. there are tons of other samples to show that pvt has a variety of outcomes.
and lifting building causing draw almost never happens, MC didn't have to sac his entire economy to basetrade, he could have had enough money for a sg+pheonix. I am sorry man, but even Flash admitted after Hot6ix cup, that Terran si pretty strong lately. Zest said, that Terran is OP :-) Who to believe, Flash or TheDwf? Don't know, I go with Zest  you dont think protoss was strong before? you dont think that balance changes constantly with adaptations and evolution of play, (not to mention maps, although protoss has been strong with similar maps) you really think THIS one game can be used to analyze balance? if terran is strong vs protoss in general, we did not see that in these games, since these games contained tons of mistakes on both sides. regardless of balance, either player could have won this series easily. i just dont see your point. instead of crying, take a second to read what the fuck im saying. its really disrespectful not to. im not saying terran isn't stronger than protoss. im saying these games can't be used as a basis to analyze anything, let alone the relative balance of an entire matchup. other games could be used, a large subset of games could be used, flash and zest's statements mean a lot and could be used (not by themselves)...but not this series. which is what the whiners are doing. which was my only point there's always a shitstorm when MC loses, just roll with it and mock the crying protosses, no need for anger Well the losing way "force draw" into "scv pull" is the same as winning by "fake blink allin" or "good forcefields" into "so good storms". It is the same level of "wrong" play from P view. Just T cannot see it, even though they see it when storm is raining from the air ,) The last 2 games showed basically everything what is wrong in PvT. You cannot fight without splash, SCV pulls are insanely strong, it is hard to defend 3 bases at a time and T has huge advantage in basetrades. I am not saying MC should have win, but it showed THIS greatly. No, MC doesn't have proper splash damage and therefore he lost, yup. So we can stop this, probably, no? Now we have another Terran advancing, probably. Unless wrists issues or summer issues
Yup this is all true.
This stuff is all part of the game. I still don't play starcraft on the ladder because of storm. I don't think its a balance issue, i'm just no good at dealing with storm. If you can't deal with it you lose, because its part of the game.
Same thing with flying buildings, SCV pulls etc.
Its frustrating to lose, and to see your favourite players lose, but to frame it as some kind of massive injustice is missing the point of the game. If you aren't set up to deal with an SCV pull and one turns up at your door you're fucked, end of. If you think that's an issue with game design, you don't understand asymmetrical design
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:51 SharkStarcraft wrote:
If Taeja loses here i can guarantee we will see another post about retirement.
Taeja won't lose. He will win 3-1 or 3-2, because summer is over. Hero is right now not in a good shape, IMO.
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On November 28 2014 23:50 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:49 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:48 Topin wrote:
how is the score between Taeja and HerO? 0-0 xD in general i meant
17–15 (53.12%) in favor of HerO!
(1820) HerO 0-0 TaeJa (2167)
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4.32% 3-0 0-3 27.35%
8.41% 3-1 1-3 28.79%
10.92% 3-2 2-3 20.20%
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23.66% 76.34%
Median outcome: HerO 1-3 TaeJa
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
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On November 28 2014 23:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:47 SharkStarcraft wrote:On November 28 2014 23:39 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:On November 28 2014 23:22 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:19 SharkStarcraft wrote:On November 28 2014 23:17 checkupriv wrote:On November 28 2014 23:16 SharkStarcraft wrote:
i fucking hate this build
protoss outplays you the entire game? Let's pull the boys and win anyway! mc outplayed him by turtling with nexus cannon while jjakji tried to be everywhere He outplayed him by defending his quick third perfectly, fending off all drops nearly without losses while killing several medivacs and had way better upgrades. Then terran pulls scvs and a-moves. It's just so so wrong. Yeah, we should probably go back to the blessed early days of 2014 when Protoss could take a fast third AND defend it AND tech Storm at their heart's content Or we can praise this map pool and last buffs, which allowed pros to say - Terran is OP. But it is not a huge wall of text, so nobody listens, right? Edit -> for example Zest(!!) Waaah, Zest said that Terran was OP, I'm now massively convinced http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_DreamHack_Open/Stockholmhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MSI_Beat_IThttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_WCS_Global_Finalshttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/10http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/32_Boys_1_Cuphttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PughCraft_Invitational_2Weird, then, that the recent big tournaments results don't exactly seem to showcase this, uh!? Pay attention, in particular, to the massive, absolute domination Terran exerted over the Pughcraft tournament. It was like 2011 all over again. Always hilarious to see the "analysis" of the game by low level Protoss. Yeah, MC should totally be able to get away with Oracle forge into 7'30 third into losing most of his Sentries into late Colossi + almost complete map blindness into a bad engagement against Terran's best timing attack. Entitled much by early 2014? And you're the guys who constantly bring GomTvT as the so-called "evidence" that Terrans are some kind of spoiled brats—haha, my God, the irony... Can't handle the arrogance this post contains, not even gonna argue. Pure pseudo high-level Terran bias. Can't handle basic facts either, how convenient.
Your post was half data with no argument, the rest is pure balance whine o_O
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