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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:30 Jazzman88 wrote: Really? I get chills from Zeratul's 'My life for Aiur' thing - deliberate callback to that Fenix moment in the temple from Starcraft I. Ok i give you that, maybe i am just a little biased towards zerg though :D | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:30 deacon.frost wrote: I am sorry man, but even Flash admitted after Hot6ix cup, that Terran si pretty strong lately. Zest said, that Terran is OP :-) Who to believe, Flash or TheDwf? Don't know, I go with Zest  The Rain Prophecy. Terran is even more imbalanced than Broodlord/Infestor amirite?!? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:30 Jazzman88 wrote: Really? I get chills from Zeratul's 'My life for Aiur' thing - deliberate callback to that Fenix moment in the temple from Starcraft I. That was cool and all, but the HotS one had the YOLO viking. Can't beat that man | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9999 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:30 -Celestial- wrote: Its hardly a stretch to "assume" that so no, I'm not assuming a lot. Your arrogance gives you away. LR thread arguments are always the most fun and unreasonable, let me have my fun at your expense. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12133 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:32 -Celestial- wrote: But did Flash or Zest write a 10k word article on it? I think not! ;P Edit: And yeah I preferred the HotS trailer. This one isn't BAD as such but HotS was just so good. Yeah, that's the biggest mistake, I agree totally ,-) He should write a book about it xD | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:30 deacon.frost wrote: I am sorry man, but even Flash admitted after Hot6ix cup, that Terran si pretty strong lately. Zest said, that Terran is OP :-) Who to believe, Flash or TheDwf? Don't know, I go with Zest you dont think protoss was strong before? you dont think that balance changes constantly with adaptations and evolution of play, (not to mention maps, although protoss has been strong with similar maps) you really think THIS one game can be used to analyze balance? if terran is strong vs protoss in general, we did not see that in these games, since these games contained tons of mistakes on both sides. regardless of balance, either player could have won this series easily. i just dont see your point. instead of crying, take a second to read what the fuck im saying. its really disrespectful not to. im not saying terran isn't stronger than protoss. im saying these games can't be used as a basis to analyze anything, let alone the relative balance of an entire matchup. other games could be used, a large subset of games could be used, flash and zest's statements mean a lot and could be used (not by themselves)...but not this series. which is what the whiners are doing. which was my only point | ||
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9999 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:35 nath wrote: you dont think protoss was strong before? you dont think that balance changes constantly with adaptations and evolution of play, (not to mention maps, although protoss has been strong with similar maps) you really think THIS one game can be used to analyze balance? if terran is strong vs protoss in general, we did not see that in these games, since these games contained tons of mistakes on both sides. regardless of balance, either player could have won this series easily. i just dont see your point. instead of crying, take a second to read what the fuck im saying. its really disrespectful not to. im not saying terran isn't stronger than protoss. im saying these games can't be used as a basis to analyze anything, let alone the relative balance of an entire matchup. other games could be used, a large subset of games could be used, flash and zest's statements mean a lot and could be used (not by themselves)...but not this series. which is what the whiners are doing. which was my only point there's always a shitstorm when MC loses, just roll with it and mock the crying protosses, no need for anger  | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:32 Jockmcplop wrote: LR thread arguments are always the most fun and unreasonable, let me have my fun at your expense. I have little patience for people who ignore the extensive and highly hypocritical narrative of "Terrans are just better" and "you can't compare X player for balance, he's just too good". And even less patience with anyone or anything at all whatsoever after last night's visit to the funeral director. So I'm not here to argue; I'm simply calling you out for flat out ignoring that as an issue. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:35 SNSeigifried wrote: I hate when liquipedia is down It's unfortunate there's literally no other way to see the tournament results | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:24 deacon.frost wrote: Or we can praise this map pool and last buffs, which allowed pros to say - Terran is OP. But it is not a huge wall of text, so nobody listens, right? Edit -> for example Zest(!!) Waaah, Zest said that Terran was OP, I'm now massively convinced http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_DreamHack_Open/Stockholm http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MSI_Beat_IT http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_WCS_Global_Finals http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/10 http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/32_Boys_1_Cup http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PughCraft_Invitational_2 Weird, then, that the recent big tournaments results don't exactly seem to showcase this, uh!? Pay attention, in particular, to the massive, absolute domination Terran exerted over the Pughcraft tournament. It was like 2011 all over again. Always hilarious to see the "analysis" of the game by low level Protoss. Yeah, MC should totally be able to get away with Oracle forge into 7'30 third into losing most of his Sentries into late Colossi + almost complete map blindness into a bad engagement against Terran's best timing attack. Entitled much by early 2014? And you're the guys who constantly bring GomTvT as the so-called "evidence" that Terrans are some kind of spoiled brats—haha, my God, the irony... | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:38 Lorning wrote: It's unfortunate there's literally no other way to see the tournament results If only someone would put in the effort to make a good op someday... | ||
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Maniak_
France305 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:32 -Celestial- wrote: But did Flash or Zest write a 10k word article on it? I think not! ;P Not everyone can claim the title of Top 1 bullshit control on TL. Edit: And yeah I preferred the HotS trailer. This one isn't BAD as such but HotS was just so good. Yeah, less flashbacks, more things blowing up This one always makes me think I'm watching a recap of WoL and HotS cinematics, with a few new scenes in between. Not that these scenes are not good, and the last Zeratul part is the perfect way to end it, but still... | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote: What even happened in the end? Why are people so angry? scv pull | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote: What even happened in the end? Why are people so angry? jjakji outskilled MC. + Show Spoiler + :D Game 5 was a colossus all-in from MC, jjakji couldn't defend and instead went for a basetrade, klling the nexus and MC had no money for a base. Forced draw. Game 6 MC went for a greedy 3 base build and kind of got away with it, but just massed up units with no splash. jjakji cut SCVs at 48, harassed but with no great effect, and went for a big SCV pull. MC only aoe was 2 colossus he made after jjakji had double starport and already vikings in play, MC got shrekt. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:38 Lorning wrote: It's unfortunate there's literally no other way to see the tournament results Yeah, someone needs to start creating threads on TL so we can keep updated with the results. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9999 Posts
On November 28 2014 23:38 -Celestial- wrote: I have little patience for people who ignore the extensive and highly hypocritical narrative of "Terrans are just better" and "you can't compare X player for balance, he's just too good". And even less patience with anyone or anything at all whatsoever after last night's visit to the funeral director. So I'm not here to argue; I'm simply calling you out for flat out ignoring that as an issue. frankly, you are being very silly. I just love protoss tears. I genuinely don't think terrans are better. I love it especially when MC loses, because he always makes stupid decisions and uses wierd builds that cause him to lose, but everyone comes here an whines aobut it anyway like its a balance issue. You put words in my mouth with the whole "terrans are just better" thing. If you are seeing that as a narrative, then you are probably also seeing this as a narrative. You can make up anything you want and call it a narrative, it doesn't make it so. | ||
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