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On November 28 2014 23:22 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:20 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 28 2014 23:19 Garnet wrote:
did he even pull the boys? 2 bases worth of SCVs if I remember correctly. It was very textbook -> 4 Vikings at a time, 3 Ghosts, go with 40 SCVs and all your units. When in doubt, use a good BO. MC should have done the same instead of fucking around with oracles, immortals... It's a strategy game after all.
Yep, getting that late of a colossus switch when jjakji already has a ton of vikings doesn't make sense.
MC must've not scouted the vikings I guess. Should be easy with hallucinations/observers to see the double starport. Sloppy play imo.
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On November 28 2014 23:24 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:21 Maniak_ wrote:On November 28 2014 23:18 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
I hate terrans Nah, they're obviously all better than their opponents. Nothing wrong here. i love protoss tears Oh look its one of the "Terran are just BETTER" brigade. You're replying to a guy with a Zerg icon incidentally, helps to look.
where did i say that terran are better? maybe you should LOOK at what i posted 
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On November 28 2014 23:22 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:19 SharkStarcraft wrote:On November 28 2014 23:17 checkupriv wrote:On November 28 2014 23:16 SharkStarcraft wrote:
i fucking hate this build
protoss outplays you the entire game? Let's pull the boys and win anyway! mc outplayed him by turtling with nexus cannon while jjakji tried to be everywhere He outplayed him by defending his quick third perfectly, fending off all drops nearly without losses while killing several medivacs and had way better upgrades. Then terran pulls scvs and a-moves. It's just so so wrong. We are seeing different things. Jjakji cut scvs like a million years ago, all of that shit was just smoke and mirrors. The only thing that mattered was if MC could hold the all-in or not.
Let me be a butthurt MC fan god damn it xD
Realisticly MC should have easily held but he started colossus production as jjajki already had like 8 or so vikings while immortals are pretty bad against this all in which he built a lot of.
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On November 28 2014 23:25 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:24 -Celestial- wrote:On November 28 2014 23:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:21 Maniak_ wrote:On November 28 2014 23:18 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
I hate terrans Nah, they're obviously all better than their opponents. Nothing wrong here. i love protoss tears Oh look its one of the "Terran are just BETTER" brigade. You're replying to a guy with a Zerg icon incidentally, helps to look. where did i say that terran are better? maybe you should LOOK at what i posted
Your comment about tears very clearly demonstrates your position.
Looking forward to GOMTvT all over again are we?
On November 28 2014 23:24 Maniak_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:22 TheDwf wrote:On November 28 2014 23:19 SharkStarcraft wrote:On November 28 2014 23:17 checkupriv wrote:On November 28 2014 23:16 SharkStarcraft wrote:
i fucking hate this build
protoss outplays you the entire game? Let's pull the boys and win anyway! mc outplayed him by turtling with nexus cannon while jjakji tried to be everywhere He outplayed him by defending his quick third perfectly, fending off all drops nearly without losses while killing several medivacs and had way better upgrades. Then terran pulls scvs and a-moves. It's just so so wrong. Yeah, we should probably go back to the blessed early days of 2014 when Protoss could take a fast third AND defend it AND tech Storm at their heart's content  Sure, much better now when terrans can lose games but force draws or lose games but pull scvs and win anyway. Though they could still use some more buffs.
Reduce bunker build time by 2 seconds tbh.
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On November 28 2014 23:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
how many times have we seen terrans play perfectly, be 2-3 bases ahead and then get hit with 2 storms and game over?
Just like storm is a part of the game, so are SCV pulls. If you don't see it coming, you lose, if your build or unit comp can't handle it you lose.
I'm sorry but that never happens.
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Someone killed liquipedia :o
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man i thought protoss players always said that only terran cries about balance...
one game where protoss wasn't really ahead but apparently "outplayed terran" by clicking photon overcharge correctly vs aggression (or in last page, some people have the stupidity to say "won then"lost with scv pull")...he made colossus at a bad time after a really weird PvT build. there are tons of scv pulls that don't work in even games.
its one fucking game. there are tons of other samples to show that pvt has a variety of outcomes.
and lifting building causing draw almost never happens, MC didn't have to sac his entire economy to basetrade, he could have had enough money for a sg+pheonix.
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On November 28 2014 23:26 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:25 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:24 -Celestial- wrote:On November 28 2014 23:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:21 Maniak_ wrote:On November 28 2014 23:18 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
I hate terrans Nah, they're obviously all better than their opponents. Nothing wrong here. i love protoss tears Oh look its one of the "Terran are just BETTER" brigade. You're replying to a guy with a Zerg icon incidentally, helps to look. where did i say that terran are better? maybe you should LOOK at what i posted Your comment about tears very clearly demonstrates your position. Looking forward to GOMTvT all over again are we?
you're assuming alot from one small sentence.
I love protoss tears. I don't think all terrans are better players, i'm not looking forward to GOMTvT, i just really enjoy all of this whining, and find it hilarious.
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On November 28 2014 23:24 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:22 Big J wrote:On November 28 2014 23:20 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 28 2014 23:19 Garnet wrote:
did he even pull the boys? 2 bases worth of SCVs if I remember correctly. It was very textbook -> 4 Vikings at a time, 3 Ghosts, go with 40 SCVs and all your units. When in doubt, use a good BO. MC should have done the same instead of fucking around with oracles, immortals... It's a strategy game after all. Yep, getting that late of a colossus switch when jjakji already has a ton of vikings doesn't make sense. MC must've not scouted the vikings I guess. Should be easy with hallucinations/observers to see the double starport. Sloppy play imo.
Yep, all he needed to do was get storm... Artosis even mentioned that Jjakji was going blind Vikings and that was a huge mistake because MC had Templar Archives which easily counters Jjakji. The mistake was going archieves but no storm into super delayed colossi ... never really seen that type of strategy before, probably for a reason.
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This trailer just doesn't do it for me :/ The hots one was way superior imo
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MC was all over the place, and not in a good way, while Jjakji executed his all-in build textbook perfect. The result was logical.
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On November 28 2014 23:28 nath wrote:
man i thought protoss players always said that only terran cries about balance...
one game where protoss wasn't really ahead but apparently "outplayed terran" or even some people have the stupidity to say "won" then "lost with scv pull"...he made colossus at a bad time after a really weird PvT build. there are tons of scv pulls that don't work in even games.
its one fucking game. there are tons of other samples to show that pvt has a variety of outcomes.
and lifting building causing draw almost never happens, MC didn't have to sac his entire economy to basetrade, he could have had enough money for a sg+pheonix.
I am sorry man, but even Flash admitted after Hot6ix cup, that Terran si pretty strong lately. Zest said, that Terran is OP :-)
Who to believe, Flash or TheDwf? Don't know, I go with Zest 
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On November 28 2014 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:26 -Celestial- wrote:On November 28 2014 23:25 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:24 -Celestial- wrote:On November 28 2014 23:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 28 2014 23:21 Maniak_ wrote:On November 28 2014 23:18 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
I hate terrans Nah, they're obviously all better than their opponents. Nothing wrong here. i love protoss tears Oh look its one of the "Terran are just BETTER" brigade. You're replying to a guy with a Zerg icon incidentally, helps to look. where did i say that terran are better? maybe you should LOOK at what i posted Your comment about tears very clearly demonstrates your position. Looking forward to GOMTvT all over again are we? you're assuming alot from one small sentence. I love protoss tears. I don't think all terrans are better players, i'm not looking forward to GOMTvT, i just really enjoy all of this whining, and find it hilarious. next
Its hardly a stretch to "assume" that so no, I'm not assuming a lot. Your arrogance gives you away.
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On November 28 2014 23:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
This trailer just doesn't do it for me :/ The hots one was way superior imo
Really? I get chills from Zeratul's 'My life for Aiur' thing - deliberate callback to that Fenix moment in the temple from Starcraft I.
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On November 28 2014 23:28 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:24 DJHelium wrote:On November 28 2014 23:22 Big J wrote:On November 28 2014 23:20 Jazzman88 wrote:On November 28 2014 23:19 Garnet wrote:
did he even pull the boys? 2 bases worth of SCVs if I remember correctly. It was very textbook -> 4 Vikings at a time, 3 Ghosts, go with 40 SCVs and all your units. When in doubt, use a good BO. MC should have done the same instead of fucking around with oracles, immortals... It's a strategy game after all. Yep, getting that late of a colossus switch when jjakji already has a ton of vikings doesn't make sense. MC must've not scouted the vikings I guess. Should be easy with hallucinations/observers to see the double starport. Sloppy play imo. Yep, all he needed to do was get storm... Artosis even mentioned that Jjakji was going blind Vikings and that was a huge mistake because MC had Templar Archives which easily counters Jjakji. The mistake was going archieves but no storm into super delayed colossi ... never really seen that type of strategy before, probably for a reason.
yeah his build was garbage, getting storm = freewin in that situation, getting colo = freeloss...its TvP, composition matters
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On November 28 2014 23:30 Jazzman88 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:
This trailer just doesn't do it for me :/ The hots one was way superior imo Really? I get chills from Zeratul's 'My life for Aiur' thing - deliberate callback to that Fenix moment in the temple from Starcraft I.
The HotS trailer was really sick. That one is still good, but rather on the bottom end of blizzard videos for me.
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On November 28 2014 23:30 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 23:28 nath wrote:
man i thought protoss players always said that only terran cries about balance...
one game where protoss wasn't really ahead but apparently "outplayed terran" or even some people have the stupidity to say "won" then "lost with scv pull"...he made colossus at a bad time after a really weird PvT build. there are tons of scv pulls that don't work in even games.
its one fucking game. there are tons of other samples to show that pvt has a variety of outcomes.
and lifting building causing draw almost never happens, MC didn't have to sac his entire economy to basetrade, he could have had enough money for a sg+pheonix. I am sorry man, but even Flash admitted after Hot6ix cup, that Terran si pretty strong lately. Zest said, that Terran is OP :-) Who to believe, Flash or TheDwf? Don't know, I go with Zest
But did Flash or Zest write a 10k word article on it? I think not! ;P
Edit: And yeah I preferred the HotS trailer. This one isn't BAD as such but HotS was just so good.
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