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No more balance whining please.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2014 14:43 GMT
#521
LOL Incontrol this is so bad.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 28 2014 14:44 GMT
#522
Incontrol -.-
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 28 2014 14:44 GMT
#523
I love Geoff =)
Zerg for Life
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 28 2014 14:44 GMT
#524
On November 28 2014 23:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 23:35 nath wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:30 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:28 nath wrote:
man i thought protoss players always said that only terran cries about balance...

one game where protoss wasn't really ahead but apparently "outplayed terran" or even some people have the stupidity to say "won" then "lost with scv pull"...he made colossus at a bad time after a really weird PvT build. there are tons of scv pulls that don't work in even games.

its one fucking game. there are tons of other samples to show that pvt has a variety of outcomes.

and lifting building causing draw almost never happens, MC didn't have to sac his entire economy to basetrade, he could have had enough money for a sg+pheonix.

I am sorry man, but even Flash admitted after Hot6ix cup, that Terran si pretty strong lately. Zest said, that Terran is OP :-)

Who to believe, Flash or TheDwf? Don't know, I go with Zest

you dont think protoss was strong before? you dont think that balance changes constantly with adaptations and evolution of play, (not to mention maps, although protoss has been strong with similar maps)

you really think THIS one game can be used to analyze balance? if terran is strong vs protoss in general, we did not see that in these games, since these games contained tons of mistakes on both sides. regardless of balance, either player could have won this series easily.

i just dont see your point. instead of crying, take a second to read what the fuck im saying. its really disrespectful not to. im not saying terran isn't stronger than protoss. im saying these games can't be used as a basis to analyze anything, let alone the relative balance of an entire matchup. other games could be used, a large subset of games could be used, flash and zest's statements mean a lot and could be used (not by themselves)...but not this series. which is what the whiners are doing. which was my only point


there's always a shitstorm when MC loses, just roll with it and mock the crying protosses, no need for anger

Well the losing way "force draw" into "scv pull" is the same as winning by "fake blink allin" or "good forcefields" into "so good storms". It is the same level of "wrong" play from P view. Just T cannot see it, even though they see it when storm is raining from the air ,)

The last 2 games showed basically everything what is wrong in PvT. You cannot fight without splash, SCV pulls are insanely strong, it is hard to defend 3 bases at a time and T has huge advantage in basetrades. I am not saying MC should have win, but it showed THIS greatly. No, MC doesn't have proper splash damage and therefore he lost, yup.

So we can stop this, probably, no? Now we have another Terran advancing, probably. Unless wrists issues or summer issues
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
November 28 2014 14:45 GMT
#525
On November 28 2014 23:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
What even happened in the end? Why are people so angry?


Don't ask. Same thing everytime. Someone lost, and all the "my knowledge is top kor GM level" populating TL whine and counter-whine about it instead of just enjoying the games.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 28 2014 14:45 GMT
#526
We're 1 hour and 15 minutes behind schedule btw
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 28 2014 14:45 GMT
#527
All I'v learned from this is that Zerg players should bitch more. If only soO wasnt so godlike.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 28 2014 14:46 GMT
#528
On November 28 2014 23:45 Lorning wrote:
We're 1 hour and 15 minutes behind schedule btw

Flying buildings killing eSports
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 28 2014 14:46 GMT
#529
On November 28 2014 23:45 stuchiu wrote:
All I'v learned from this is that Zerg players should bitch more. If only Life wasnt so godlike.

FTFY
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
November 28 2014 14:46 GMT
#530
On November 28 2014 23:35 nath wrote:
im saying these games can't be used as a basis to analyze anything,


You don't have to actually make balance judgements entirely on one game or series to be able to use it as an acute example of a situation. In the same way you don't actually have to see every single game a sports team has played in a season to be able to use a 5-0 loss as an extreme example of how things are going.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 28 2014 14:46 GMT
#531
On November 28 2014 23:45 stuchiu wrote:
All I'v learned from this is that Zerg players should bitch more. If only soO wasnt so godlike.

I feel like Infestor Broodlord and having that one zerg asshole makes us just unable to bitch.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
November 28 2014 14:46 GMT
#532
On November 28 2014 23:45 Lorning wrote:
We're 1 hour and 15 minutes behind schedule btw

yay for long breaks while behind schedule
"Expert" mods4ever.com
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
November 28 2014 14:46 GMT
#533
Now time for a DreamHack classic, HerO vs TaeJa.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2256 Posts
November 28 2014 14:47 GMT
#534
On November 28 2014 23:39 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:22 TheDwf wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:19 SharkStarcraft wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:17 checkupriv wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:16 SharkStarcraft wrote:
i fucking hate this build
protoss outplays you the entire game? Let's pull the boys and win anyway!

mc outplayed him by turtling with nexus cannon while jjakji tried to be everywhere


He outplayed him by defending his quick third perfectly, fending off all drops nearly without losses while killing several medivacs and had way better upgrades.
Then terran pulls scvs and a-moves. It's just so so wrong.

Yeah, we should probably go back to the blessed early days of 2014 when Protoss could take a fast third AND defend it AND tech Storm at their heart's content

Or we can praise this map pool and last buffs, which allowed pros to say - Terran is OP. But it is not a huge wall of text, so nobody listens, right?

Edit -> for example Zest(!!)

Waaah, Zest said that Terran was OP, I'm now massively convinced

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_DreamHack_Open/Stockholm
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MSI_Beat_IT
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_WCS_Global_Finals
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/10
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/32_Boys_1_Cup
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PughCraft_Invitational_2

Weird, then, that the recent big tournaments results don't exactly seem to showcase this, uh!? Pay attention, in particular, to the massive, absolute domination Terran exerted over the Pughcraft tournament. It was like 2011 all over again.

Always hilarious to see the "analysis" of the game by low level Protoss. Yeah, MC should totally be able to get away with Oracle forge into 7'30 third into losing most of his Sentries into late Colossi + almost complete map blindness into a bad engagement against Terran's best timing attack. Entitled much by early 2014? And you're the guys who constantly bring GomTvT as the so-called "evidence" that Terrans are some kind of spoiled brats—haha, my God, the irony...


Can't handle the arrogance this post contains, not even gonna argue. Pure pseudo high-level Terran bias.
Cogito, ergo Toss
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-28 14:48:00
November 28 2014 14:47 GMT
#535
On November 28 2014 23:45 Lorning wrote:
We're 1 hour and 15 minutes behind schedule btw

This is still Losers Round 1. Losers Round 2 is MMA v jjakji and TBD
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 28 2014 14:48 GMT
#536
On November 28 2014 23:46 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 23:45 Lorning wrote:
We're 1 hour and 15 minutes behind schedule btw

Flying buildings killing eSports

quick, make something immune to abducts!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 28 2014 14:48 GMT
#537
On November 28 2014 23:46 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 23:45 Lorning wrote:
We're 1 hour and 15 minutes behind schedule btw

yay for long breaks while behind schedule

I wouldn't mind an 18 hour day personally
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TL+ Member
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 28 2014 14:48 GMT
#538
On November 28 2014 23:46 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 23:45 stuchiu wrote:
All I'v learned from this is that Zerg players should bitch more. If only soO wasnt so godlike.

I feel like Infestor Broodlord and having that one zerg asshole makes us just unable to bitch.


nah, Zerg definitely had the weakest op period
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10111 Posts
November 28 2014 14:48 GMT
#539
how is the score between Taeja and HerO?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 28 2014 14:48 GMT
#540
On November 28 2014 23:47 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 23:39 TheDwf wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:22 TheDwf wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:19 SharkStarcraft wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:17 checkupriv wrote:
On November 28 2014 23:16 SharkStarcraft wrote:
i fucking hate this build
protoss outplays you the entire game? Let's pull the boys and win anyway!

mc outplayed him by turtling with nexus cannon while jjakji tried to be everywhere


He outplayed him by defending his quick third perfectly, fending off all drops nearly without losses while killing several medivacs and had way better upgrades.
Then terran pulls scvs and a-moves. It's just so so wrong.

Yeah, we should probably go back to the blessed early days of 2014 when Protoss could take a fast third AND defend it AND tech Storm at their heart's content

Or we can praise this map pool and last buffs, which allowed pros to say - Terran is OP. But it is not a huge wall of text, so nobody listens, right?

Edit -> for example Zest(!!)

Waaah, Zest said that Terran was OP, I'm now massively convinced

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_DreamHack_Open/Stockholm
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MSI_Beat_IT
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_WCS_Global_Finals
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/10
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/32_Boys_1_Cup
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PughCraft_Invitational_2

Weird, then, that the recent big tournaments results don't exactly seem to showcase this, uh!? Pay attention, in particular, to the massive, absolute domination Terran exerted over the Pughcraft tournament. It was like 2011 all over again.

Always hilarious to see the "analysis" of the game by low level Protoss. Yeah, MC should totally be able to get away with Oracle forge into 7'30 third into losing most of his Sentries into late Colossi + almost complete map blindness into a bad engagement against Terran's best timing attack. Entitled much by early 2014? And you're the guys who constantly bring GomTvT as the so-called "evidence" that Terrans are some kind of spoiled brats—haha, my God, the irony...


Can't handle the arrogance this post contains, not even gonna argue. Pure pseudo high-level Terran bias.

Can't handle basic facts either, how convenient.
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