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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:16 royalroadweed wrote: I don't like that. If they're consequences for joking about "raping" girls, then there should be consequences for joking about "ass raping" boys. Should be, but there isn't. That's how the world works | ||
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sparklewolf
65 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:14 Yhamm wrote: because someone in the past did worse doesn't mean that you should not punish it now, but means that it should have been punished before too. except it wont be punished in the future either, unless the recipient is also a girl it's bollocks, a reaction to events outside the game and wider cultural bullshit and a complete overreaction. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
Since when do we police people mid-tournament for their twitter activity? This seems like a huge, made-up over-extension of authority. I'm guessing that if these people could have censored the tweet themselves, they would have. Settling for the next best thing, then? Whatever you can do with whatever power you have? I definitely don't agree with this conduct from a 'professional' tournament organization. People are obsessed with getting offended. English isn't his first language, and we all know that "rape" is commonly used as a synonym for owning/pwning/crushing/shitting-on. This hypersensitivity to anything to do with rape is getting out of hand. And that's not to take away from rape itself. It's a comment on hypersensitivity to it. Is it possible to be hypersensitive? Yes. If someone actually defecated on someone, that would be pretty obscene, right? But if Kas said "I'm gonna shit on this girl" we wouldn't be here right now, I'm guessing. Slavery is also pretty bad, but if he said he's going to "own" this girl, we definitely wouldn't be here right now. Getting offended is not an argument, and getting offended is in no way the same thing as someone having violated a rule. I have my doubts about whether the actually big, professional tournaments would fall into such a whimsical, impromptu executive decision, in the middle of their tournament, to do with what someone tweeted. Give me a break. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Kas deleted the tweet and probably apologized Shit is done Let's leave it at that | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:18 Lumi wrote: But if Kas said "I'm gonna shit on this girl" we wouldn't be here right now, I'm guessing. Slavery is also pretty bad, but if he said he's going to "own" this girl, we definitely wouldn't be here right now. Yeah, but he didn't say those things. No shit, if he said something different something else might've happened. You can't just substitute one for the other. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: His opponents were probably never girls That implies, that raping guys is ok. Which it isn't. I think everyone here is completely aware of the fact, that Kas is not actually trying to rape anyone, he was using a very disappropriate wording here, without malicious intent. Delete the tweet, tell him, what he said, and then make sure, he apologizes to Madde privately. Not only will this prevent drama, an apology between two people also is probably more sincere than publicly over twitter. But a disqualification here creates more drama/negative exposure, than the tweet would have originally have, espicially because it got deleted that fast. I hope Kas and Madde can sort things out, would be very unneccessary to have permanent bad blood here, because Kas forgot to use his brain, while typing a single tweet. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:18 Lumi wrote: Distasteful as it may be, that seems like a completely made-up ruling for a tournament to act on. Since when do we disqualify people mid-tournament for something they said on twitter? It's not about whether you think what he said was distasteful or not, it's about the lack of a precedent for this in our scene, and the lack of any actual rules that were outlined regarding the tournament for this kind of scenario? The disqualification only drew wayyyyy more attention to it, and now it lingers on. Since when do we police people mid-tournament for their twitter activity? This seems like a huge, made-up over-extension of authority. I'm guessing that if these people could have censored the tweet themselves, they would have. Settling for the next best thing, then? Whatever you can do with whatever power you have? I definitely don't agree with this conduct from a 'professional' tournament organization. People are obsessed with getting offended. English isn't his first language, and we all know that "rape" is commonly used as a synonym for owning/pwning/crushing/shitting-on. This hypersensitivity to anything to do with rape is getting out of hand. And that's not to take away from rape itself. It's a comment on hypersensitivity to it. Is it possible to be hypersensitive? Yes. If someone actually defecated on someone, that would be pretty obscene, right? But if Kas said "I'm gonna shit on this girl" we wouldn't be here right now, I'm guessing. Slavery is also pretty bad, but if he said he's going to "own" this girl, we definitely wouldn't be here right now. Getting offended is not an argument, and getting offended is in no way the same thing as someone having violated a rule. I have my doubts about whether the actually big, professional tournaments would fall into such a whimsical, impromptu executive decision, in the middle of their tournament, to do with what someone tweeted. Give me a break. your way of thinking is kinda lacking... you always need a first time or nothing will never happen, so consider this the "precedent". Since when do they police tweets? well, since now. And the rules, do you know them? maybe it's about time to stop using rape for everything, don't you agree? | ||
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Bruder_Loras
Germany93 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:11 Xoronius wrote: How many times has XLord told his opponents to "prepare their anus"? He was never disq. for that either. While playing in a mayor? I kind of doubt that. But assuming that did happen? Not cool either, and to me it would warrant the same response, in any tournament setting. This was far, far over the line what's okay to say in a context like this, or any context frankly. And if the tournament banned him for it I assume they also have the rules leverage to do that. And rightly so. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:18 Lorning wrote: Kas tweeted something stupid Kas deleted the tweet and probably apologized Shit is done Let's leave it at that No thanks. Double standards like this are a gaping failure of ethics and professional integrity. Kas might be willing to appreciate that someone took offense and he's sorry for being responsible for that, but someone taking offense doesn't mean that he actually did something immoral, let alone that he broke a rule. It's his freakin' twitter account we're talking about here, not even something he said in game, as a part of the actual tournament they are running. This is a huge over-extension of authority and there are damn good, and damn important reasons why we have a lack of precedent for this kind of twitter policing / tournament disqualification bs. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:22 Yhamm wrote: your way of thinking is kinda lacking... you always need a first time or nothing will never happen, so consider this the "precedent". Since when do they police tweets? well, since now. And the rules, do you know them? maybe it's about time to stop using rape for everything, don't you agree? No, I don't. It's a personal choice and a great many people have died for our freedom of speech, only to have knee-jerk reactionaries using whatever power they can muster up to reprimand people who said something they don't like. What makes rape worse than murder, or slavery, and who can say? But if he said he's going to murder, or he's going to own, this wouldn't be happening. My thinking is on point and the lack of consistency in the logic deployed in this instance is blatant. This is a double-standard and exactly what we can expect from a growing culture of female self-victimization receiving special treatment. Special treatment. That's the precedent we should applaud and usher in? Give me a break. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:24 Lumi wrote: It's his freakin' twitter account we're talking about here, not even something he said in game, as a part of the actual tournament they are running. This is a huge over-extension of authority and there are damn good, and damn important reasons why we have a lack of precedent for this kind of twitter policing / tournament disqualification bs. It's obviously something he said in the context of the tournament series he was playing. if FragBite Masters intends to crack down on hurtful comments from player to player over the matches in their tournaments, there's no reason tweets shouldn't be part of that. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Should be, but there isn't. That's how the world works Man rape = funny + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Faefae
2202 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:27 scudst0rm wrote: Man rape = funny + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWlBgj0uOc Hate that shit, it's so wrong. | ||
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:27 scudst0rm wrote: Man rape = funny + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWlBgj0uOc Thanks for that one. Literally one of the funniest things I've seen. | ||
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:27 scudst0rm wrote: Man rape = funny + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWlBgj0uOc Dave Chappelle is too real man | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
And the problem is not only that it's been said to a girl. It's the word "rape" in itself. If you know the person you're talking to will take it lightly, that's okay (whoever it is). But not to someone not close to you, and certainly not in public.... | ||
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