EPTTrash talk is trash talk.
If there ought to be no room for trash talk in SC2 make rules that apply to everyone. Don't make individual calls like that. Pretty stupid by Fragbite Masters.
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
Trash talk is trash talk. If there ought to be no room for trash talk in SC2 make rules that apply to everyone. Don't make individual calls like that. Pretty stupid by Fragbite Masters. | ||
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Mambo
Denmark1338 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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mabla
Germany18 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:57 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: The rape word is almost as frowned upon in Sweden as the offensive hand shake. Bad jokes aside, the tournament acted correctly. You can't say that and get away with it without repercussions. What is an offensive handshake? Does it mean keeping your other hand in the pocket? | ||
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
Rape is a hot button issue these days and for good reason. Stop pretending we live in a fantasy world where all threats are equal. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:12 mabla wrote: What is an offensive handshake? Does it mean keeping your other hand in the pocket? It's a reference to the Naniwa-Vortix-incident about 1-2 years ago and is a saying for an after-game-handshake iniciated by the winner, so kinda like offensive gg. | ||
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:12 mabla wrote: What is an offensive handshake? Does it mean keeping your other hand in the pocket? Didn't you see the Naniwa - Vortex thing in WCS? Swedes went in, in full force defending Naniwa with the "It was an offensive handshake". | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:13 dcsoda wrote: People's lack of understanding about where Free Speech ends (hint it's when you threaten another person) is pretty impressive. Not to mention the fact that no Americans are involved in this. Rape is a hot button issue these days and for good reason. Stop pretending we live in a fantasy world where all threats are equal. The term "to rape someone" is not rarely used in SC2, so stop pretending we live in a fantasy world where an SC2 player who is going to "rape" someone (hint: it's meant winning vs someone) is actually implying to literally rape someone and making it public. | ||
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sparklewolf
65 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:13 dcsoda wrote: People's lack of understanding about where Free Speech ends (hint it's when you threaten another person) is pretty impressive. Not to mention the fact that no Americans are involved in this. Rape is a hot button issue these days and for good reason. Stop pretending we live in a fantasy world where all threats are equal. so this is where the discussion is now kas threatened to rape maddelisk fantastic. be proud of yourselves people. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Yeah, we should also let racist do what they want because "Freedom of speech". Jeez... Freedom of speech isn't the right to discriminate, be it ethnies or gender. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:13 dcsoda wrote: People's lack of understanding about where Free Speech ends (hint it's when you threaten another person) is pretty impressive. Not to mention the fact that no Americans are involved in this. Not to mention the fact that your "Americans" are living in only one of many countries that have Free Speech in their constitution!?!? That last sentence about no Americans being involved in this is so out of place :D Thanks for being the stereotypical ignorant American. | ||
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mabla
Germany18 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:15 Xoronius wrote: It's a reference to the Naniwa-Vortix-incident about 1-2 years ago and is a saying for an after-game-handshake iniciated by the winner, so kinda like offensive gg. I looked it up on googled and there was something about Bill Gates keeping his other hand in the pocket. But it also happenend in Naniwa vs. Polt: | ||
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10bulgares
352 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:13 dcsoda wrote: People's lack of understanding about where Free Speech ends (hint it's when you threaten another person) is pretty impressive. Not to mention the fact that no Americans are involved in this. Rape is a hot button issue these days and for good reason. Stop pretending we live in a fantasy world where all threats are equal. Plus, it's not like Kas went to jail. He just got banned from an e-sport competition. Are people going to use the freedom of speech argument when their mother will ground them? | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Freedom of Speech: a. only protects you from the government b. stops when you begin to personally threaten someone. Yeah because he was actually tweeting TO maddelisk and sincerely threatening to rape her. Can you roll your eyes at yourself, for me, please. I don't even want to. On November 22 2014 05:13 dcsoda wrote: People's lack of understanding about where Free Speech ends (hint it's when you threaten another person) is pretty impressive. Not to mention the fact that no Americans are involved in this. Rape is a hot button issue these days and for good reason. Stop pretending we live in a fantasy world where all threats are equal. Yeah, rape is a "hot button issue" and that means we should be more sensitive to jokes about that than we are about arguably worse crimes, like murder. I guess murder is just too played out to get offended by anymore. Also, see above. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:19 Ragnarork wrote: Yeah, we should also let racist do what they want because "Freedom of speech". Jeez... Freedom of speech isn't the right to discriminate, be it ethnies or gender. Who do you mean by "we"? | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:21 mabla wrote: I looked it up on googled and there was something about Bill Gates keeping his other hand in the pocket. But it also happenend in Naniwa vs. Polt: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic0KMaGFd4Q Yes, might have happened there as well, but Nani-Vortix was the reason it got talked about more than it should have been talked about. | ||
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
Terrans. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
So, Kas talking about "raping another person" in a game might not seem a big deal to other people, but in the sc2 community we take it very seriously. We are not 14 year olds who makes jokes about raping people. Most of us are in our twenties, so we understand the social implication of people's words and actions. Can you imagine, someone from our scene yelling "fuck her in the pussy" out loud at a tournament? They would get crucified. While, in the other esports community they would laugh and joke about it. So, I am glad we are taking what Kas said seriously. It show us that we are a mature and professional community. | ||
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:23 Lumi wrote: Yeah because he was actually tweeting TO maddelisk and sincerely threatening to rape her. Can you roll your eyes at yourself, for me, please. I don't even want to. His intent has zero to do with it. It was obviously referring to her and if she felt threatened or uncomfortable by it then it's a problem. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On November 22 2014 05:26 ptbl wrote: Guys, we hold ourselves to a higher standard than other esport's scenes. It's just the way it is. A lot of the fan base is older and more mature. Think about it. If Scarlett was in any other scene like the fighting game or CoD community, do you think she would receive a warm and welcoming reception. Nope. So, Kas talking about "raping another person" in a game might not seem a big deal to other people, but in the sc2 community we take it very seriously. We are not 14 year olds who makes jokes about raping people. Most of us are in our twenties, so we understand the social implication of people's words and actions. Can you imagine, someone from our scene yelling "fuck her in the pussy" out loud at a tournament? They would get crucified. While, in the other esports community thy would laugh and joke about it. So, I am glad we are taking what Kas said seriously. It show's we are a mature and professional commumity. That's the problem with this thinking. This isn't a higher standard. It's a double standard. It's a regression to create very unique exceptions to what kinds of language can and can't be tolerated, and how we will react to it, just for a specific topic. See the points I've made in the last few pages about how murder is not treated with the same seriousness. On November 22 2014 05:27 dcsoda wrote: His intent has zero to do with it. It was obviously referring to her and if she felt threatened or uncomfortable by it then it's a problem. Let's be thorough in the logic you're relying on here. I'm pretty offended by the things you've just said. I'm uncomfortable. We have a problem, now. | ||
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