On November 16 2014 22:57 Symbioth wrote:
11/11 is just so insanely strong, it's hard for me to understand why nothing has ever been done about this build. It's just way too strong.

Care to tell us why it's only played 7-8% of the time in TvZ pro games then?

And same question for all the "mech TvZ is broken" folks.

actually those questions aren't very smart

like, I'm not saying 2 rax is broken, I don't think it is, but it's just impossible to play it all the time (unless you're Maru, I guess), because Zergs could blind counter it

Ah? So there's a blind counter? What is it?

On November 16 2014 23:01 SoulmaN__ wrote:

On November 16 2014 22:54 TheDwf wrote:

On November 16 2014 22:48 KingAlphard wrote:

On November 16 2014 22:45 pigmanbear wrote:

On November 16 2014 22:45 KingAlphard wrote:

On November 16 2014 22:43 TheDwf wrote:

On November 16 2014 22:40 KingAlphard wrote:
Really, I keep not understanding why progamers don't do 11/11 every single game since not even 14/14 beats it. Can someone explain?

Maybe because it's not a freewin like you think?

I never seen it fail in any tournament I watched in the last months. Or could you link a vod if I'm wrong because even though I don't play zerg I'm curious to see how you beat it?

You beat it the same way as ever, by pulling enough drones to crush the attack early.

Thanks but I would really like a VOD. They told me to do so as a protoss too and the result is always that you lose 10 workers to kill 2 marines and a scv and then you have no economy.

Are you seriously complaining about 2 rax TvP? Like... For real?

For VODs, why not start by jjakji vs LosirA on Merry from this very tournament? Literally can't remember the last time a 2 rax was beaten in TvZ! Well, it was 2 days ago... You can also watch TaeJa vs soO on Overgrowth from Blizzcon, TY vs Dark on Deadwing from WECG Korea, Journey vs Impact (Merry) from OlimoLeague #9, Center vs Life (Merry) from 32 Boys 1 Cup KR qualifiers, etc., etc.

Losira vs. Jjakji is a really bad example, because Jjakji didn't build them proxy, but outside of his natural, so the rush distance was actually insane.

Lol. Yeah, welcome to modern 2 rax...

soO vs. Taeja, Taeja was ahead after the 2 rax by a lot, soO just entered godmode and dragged the game on for 30 minutes while almost winning.

Hilarious description of what actually happened. soO blocked the attack extremely easily (at which point TaeJa is certainly not ahead) until he blundered 2 Queens and 15 lings for no valid reason. After that he was so behind that... he had a macro game despite going for a bane bust that did so little.

If soO wouldn't have chase the marines he would have had to build more and more zerglings or a ton of spines to not die to pure marine. And you can't deny that Taeja would have been at least even because he would have gone into double CC yolo swag mode and would have been in a better position than soO.

TaeJa would have been in a better position had soO built one Spine ("a ton of Spines" ... lol...) instead of giving 2 Queens and 15 lings. OK. You have seriously no idea what you're talking about.

Tanzklaue

Germany1420 Posts

November 16 2014 14:17 GMT

#588

On November 16 2014 23:16 PappaNappa wrote:
Gogogo Hyun!!! Give me some fanboytears

i think tempalr and i are the only taeja fans in this thread currently, at least i don't see anyone else telling flash fanboys that it will prolly not be a cakewalk for flash.

SoulmaN__

Germany80 Posts

November 16 2014 14:18 GMT

#589

10 pool is a build order loss against 2 rax if the terran knows what to do, which is wall your natural and send like 3 marines home.

the best "counter" is pool first without gas, because your hatch might barely have enough hitpoints to survive long enough so you can get spines and queens up, while you have zerglings out early enough to repel the initial marines.

However, the terran has to play against pool first the very first time for that to work out.

PappaNappa

52 Posts

November 16 2014 14:18 GMT

#590

I hope we get games today without Incontrol/Destiny/QXC casting. All of them are sooo annoying -.-

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

November 16 2014 14:19 GMT

#591

On November 16 2014 23:17 Tanzklaue wrote:

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i think tempalr and i are the only taeja fans in this thread currently, at least i don't see anyone else telling flash fanboys that it will prolly not be a cakewalk for flash.

Seems like this thread doesn't have that many TaeJa fans, yeah. And I don't have tears when my players lose, so HyuN fans and TaeJa anti-fans will be disappointed anyway

SetGuitarsToKill

Canada28396 Posts

November 16 2014 14:19 GMT

#592

On November 16 2014 23:18 PappaNappa wrote:
I hope we get games today without Incontrol/Destiny/QXC casting. All of them are sooo annoying -.-

Better them than some socially awkward progamer or a korean who doesn't speak much english.

SetGuitarsToKill

Canada28396 Posts

November 16 2014 14:20 GMT

#593

On November 16 2014 23:19 The_Templar wrote:

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Seems like this thread doesn't have that many TaeJa fans, yeah. And I don't have tears when my players lose, so HyuN fans and TaeJa anti-fans will be disappointed anyway

Bullshit, you were crying like a baby when Taeja lost at Blizzcon.