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On September 07 2014 08:19 Yhamm wrote:
err, VortiX vs MarineLord? they were in the same group T_T
Yeah, I don't want that match either. Put MlorD vs DeMusliM please.
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On September 07 2014 08:20 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 08:18 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 08:16 Rollora wrote:On September 07 2014 07:47 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 07:45 SatedSC2 wrote:On September 07 2014 07:43 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 07:40 Rollora wrote:On September 07 2014 07:36 Alchemik wrote:
ah, alright, ToD was just being stupid as earlier today, okay then. thanks stupid? I'd say emotional. You must play Zerg then, but then again you don't know how frustrating it is, to lose against a Unit that spawns free units (and not doing anything besides that, nothing for the game, not harassing etc (not saying that happened here, but happened way too often to me on ladder)) and therefore its so hard to actually hurt the zerg etc. Free units is still a stupid Idea to mee and SH make the game really boring compared to actually work for the win, or as the perspective of he watcher, see working one for the win. yes, stupid you can tell the same about Protoss late-game, when you lose to it it just feels stupid and no-skill, even though it isn't, just like with SH plus, without SH there's no way to really fight that army, so yeah, it's not like they're not needed Swarm Hosts aren't needed, Zerg players just aren't experimenting because Swarm Hosts are currently the path of least resistance... of course they are needed, the other way is playing with mutas and never letting Protoss get to that deathball (outside of doing all-ins, of course) Constant harassement and wearing down the opponent, not waiting for the deathball might help? There are hundred other things Zerg can do. Not the lame "I lean back and do nothing for the game" SH style. so Zerg is supposed to play like Terran, but without Terran's harassment possibilities sounds legit "Without Terran harassment capabilities" Mutalisks.
that's exactly what I said before - you can either go SH, or try to play with muta/corruptor, like soO
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On September 07 2014 08:20 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 08:18 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 08:16 Rollora wrote:On September 07 2014 07:47 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 07:45 SatedSC2 wrote:On September 07 2014 07:43 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 07:40 Rollora wrote:On September 07 2014 07:36 Alchemik wrote:
ah, alright, ToD was just being stupid as earlier today, okay then. thanks stupid? I'd say emotional. You must play Zerg then, but then again you don't know how frustrating it is, to lose against a Unit that spawns free units (and not doing anything besides that, nothing for the game, not harassing etc (not saying that happened here, but happened way too often to me on ladder)) and therefore its so hard to actually hurt the zerg etc. Free units is still a stupid Idea to mee and SH make the game really boring compared to actually work for the win, or as the perspective of he watcher, see working one for the win. yes, stupid you can tell the same about Protoss late-game, when you lose to it it just feels stupid and no-skill, even though it isn't, just like with SH plus, without SH there's no way to really fight that army, so yeah, it's not like they're not needed Swarm Hosts aren't needed, Zerg players just aren't experimenting because Swarm Hosts are currently the path of least resistance... of course they are needed, the other way is playing with mutas and never letting Protoss get to that deathball (outside of doing all-ins, of course) Constant harassement and wearing down the opponent, not waiting for the deathball might help? There are hundred other things Zerg can do. Not the lame "I lean back and do nothing for the game" SH style. so Zerg is supposed to play like Terran, but without Terran's harassment possibilities sounds legit On September 07 2014 08:18 SatedSC2 wrote:On September 07 2014 08:16 brickrd wrote:On September 07 2014 08:13 Faefae wrote:
I hate the complaining but man... I'd be so mad if i had to play these games.... God blizzard remove them please then zerg can go back to being made about failing to break any competent toss who plays defensively up to 3-4 bases and then having useless supply of lair units and going yolo basetrade  i agree swarm hosts can go but they need a replacement or redesign, not a nerf or straight removal It's possible to beat "deathballs" without Swarm Hosts. Stop repeating a lie. if you can beat late-game Protoss without SH, you could win the game 50 times before that, since you're a way better player (or are using something gimmicky which your opponent never played against and can't handle) "Without Terran harassment capabilities" Mutalisks.
before the SH meta fully evolved when muta switch was hugely popular most toss said that was OP as well. lol. protoss rules for zerg: use weak, mid tech units that don't age well into the lategame or you're lazy and abusive. meanwhile i'll be rushing colossus as fast as possible
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well thats weird bracket :D
What not having both group rule + seed ? Anyway good luck Mlord !
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On September 07 2014 08:20 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 08:18 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 08:16 Rollora wrote:On September 07 2014 07:47 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 07:45 SatedSC2 wrote:On September 07 2014 07:43 Alchemik wrote:On September 07 2014 07:40 Rollora wrote:On September 07 2014 07:36 Alchemik wrote:
ah, alright, ToD was just being stupid as earlier today, okay then. thanks stupid? I'd say emotional. You must play Zerg then, but then again you don't know how frustrating it is, to lose against a Unit that spawns free units (and not doing anything besides that, nothing for the game, not harassing etc (not saying that happened here, but happened way too often to me on ladder)) and therefore its so hard to actually hurt the zerg etc. Free units is still a stupid Idea to mee and SH make the game really boring compared to actually work for the win, or as the perspective of he watcher, see working one for the win. yes, stupid you can tell the same about Protoss late-game, when you lose to it it just feels stupid and no-skill, even though it isn't, just like with SH plus, without SH there's no way to really fight that army, so yeah, it's not like they're not needed Swarm Hosts aren't needed, Zerg players just aren't experimenting because Swarm Hosts are currently the path of least resistance... of course they are needed, the other way is playing with mutas and never letting Protoss get to that deathball (outside of doing all-ins, of course) Constant harassement and wearing down the opponent, not waiting for the deathball might help? There are hundred other things Zerg can do. Not the lame "I lean back and do nothing for the game" SH style. so Zerg is supposed to play like Terran, but without Terran's harassment possibilities sounds legit "Without Terran harassment capabilities" Mutalisks.
Lings. Banelings. Roach runbys, Baneling drops, throw in some infestors or infested terrans, fungal on workers, and many many more things.
The fact that these strats aren't used anymore shows, that SH makes the game easier and less entertaining for some, because you need to do less for the victory, get lazy.
Or why is it he mentions Terran as a good harassement race, but actually zerg can easily manage to keep the Terran in base with mutas? so he can't even go out?`And when he finally moves out 200 banelings await you 
Not complaining, just saying Zerg has every tool required to harass. Especially drops aren't seen anymore, but only race with free dropships -> Zerg.
Protoss has walled in? Well hello there are 16 Zerglings out of 1 Overlord in your main. GL.
(not yet talking about getting all 16 lings out again, after forcing a warpin or army moving back from the toss, cause that would require a single click, which seems too much for some zergs out there).
And I repeat: i play zerg, it is not hard to do at all.
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Wait, what? Just switch Marinelord and Vortix and you have a legit bracket. There is no point in going full ONOG here.
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Yeah i don't understand either. I think Rifkin was too exhausted, looks like he though that both rules of 'not playing someone in groupstage' and 'seed 1 vs seed 2' could not be applyed at the same time :
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France7248 Posts
meh, that doesnt make any sense
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EPT
