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On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases?
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On August 16 2014 21:26 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases?
usually you need to be ahead in the early game, then go to broodlords and put the pressure on before he has a response. scarlett was behind and decided to go for it anyway for some reason.
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On August 16 2014 21:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:26 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases? usually you need to be ahead in the early game, then go to broodlords and put the pressure on before he has a response. scarlett was behind and decided to go for it anyway for some reason. yea i've seen it working when you get ahead from the early/midgame i agree. but on equal footing i don't see a way to properly deal with multi-pronged roach attacks tbh.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On August 16 2014 20:44 UlTiMa00 wrote: Acer 2 : 1 YFW sen < san innovation > Has MMA > slam next scarlett vs leenock
why did Sen play for Acer?
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On August 16 2014 21:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:26 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases? usually you need to be ahead in the early game, then go to broodlords and put the pressure on before he has a response. scarlett was behind and decided to go for it anyway for some reason.
A style that only works if you are ahead doesn't seem that good.
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On August 16 2014 21:30 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 20:44 UlTiMa00 wrote: Acer 2 : 1 YFW sen < san innovation > Has MMA > slam next scarlett vs leenock why did Sen play for Acer? Mercenary due to lack of players otherwise
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On August 16 2014 21:30 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 20:44 UlTiMa00 wrote: Acer 2 : 1 YFW sen < san innovation > Has MMA > slam next scarlett vs leenock why did Sen play for Acer?
Taiwan Open 2014 champion Sen will also take the field for Team Acer, as a mercenary for the event.
from the acer website
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On August 16 2014 21:29 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 16 2014 21:26 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases? usually you need to be ahead in the early game, then go to broodlords and put the pressure on before he has a response. scarlett was behind and decided to go for it anyway for some reason. yea i've seen it working when you get ahead from the early/midgame i agree. but on equal footing i don't see a way to properly deal with multi-pronged roach attacks tbh.
ya, there's no real way. it wasn't even on even footing, she was behind because of the 3rd getting killed and she went for a killing blow build.
On August 16 2014 21:30 Zheryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 16 2014 21:26 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases? usually you need to be ahead in the early game, then go to broodlords and put the pressure on before he has a response. scarlett was behind and decided to go for it anyway for some reason. A style that only works if you are ahead doesn't seem that good.
It's very situational. It's got it's flaws for sure but if you can set it up correctly there's absolutely no way to deal with it.
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On August 16 2014 21:26 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases?
Well, you can just not let them burrow across your four bases. One overseer at the ramp, one overseer close to the third and she's pretty much safe.
Dunno why we don't see it more.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Sen's answer, 1 billion million lings and 7 queens.
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On August 16 2014 21:33 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:26 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases? Well, you can just not let them burrow across your four bases. One overseer at the ramp, one overseer close to the third and she's pretty much safe. Dunno why we don't see it more.
she lost her overseers when she got her mutas trapped earlier, and I guess forgot to build more. another small mistake
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On August 16 2014 21:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 21:33 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:26 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:23 Alchemik wrote:On August 16 2014 21:07 Undead1993 wrote:On August 16 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wow, Leenock playing so well. Scarlett looking completely outclassed here. i wouldn't say completely outclassed it just shows why we don't see the style she uses too often in pro games You can deal with pressure while going for that broodlord rush, she was just pretty much outplayed. why do we see roach vs roach 95% of the time then and not muta into broodlords if you can deal with the raoch pressure when there are burrowed roaches across your 4 bases? Well, you can just not let them burrow across your four bases. One overseer at the ramp, one overseer close to the third and she's pretty much safe. Dunno why we don't see it more. she lost her overseers when she got her mutas trapped earlier, and I guess forgot to build more. another small mistake Yeah, it is pretty easy to lose with that style, but it is quite strong if you don't make those small mistakes.
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Wow, game winning oracle right there.
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I don't understand why more pros do the 4gate like this, not commiting too deep on creep and just forcing out more non-drone units. Most players I see just dive that third and lose their units and sometimes kill the third.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On August 16 2014 21:41 Zheryn wrote: I don't understand why more pros do the 4gate like this, not commiting too deep on creep and just forcing out more non-drone units. Most players I see just dive that third and lose their units and sometimes kill the third.
They aren't willing to risk their souls like ManZenith.
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Acer might have been better off not adding Sen for this. Neither of the zergs for Acer looking that hot today
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On August 16 2014 21:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Acer might have been better off not adding Sen for this. Neither of the zergs for Acer looking that hot today Well if they wanted to win they would have sent Innovation. But they are playing in taiwan right now, so sending SEn is nice for the audience
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the iron wall will be built by Hasjwa
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