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On August 03 2014 01:56 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 01:52 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:49 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:44 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:43 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:42 Rain.100 wrote:
anybody knows whats up with stardust? looks really shaky today idk This is pretty hard to beat. You are definately not favored as P vs it. With the standard opener. What? 2 rax is garbage vs protoss really. SD just played terribly. He had a mama core. He even scouted it so he could chrono stalker, which he might not have. And he pretty much had no chance. It's terrible because if you probe scout or don't go gate, gas, nexus, mama, you will have an easy time defending it. But with this opener (which is the most standard atm), it is not easy to defend double rax. Not at all. He pulled 12 drones, gg win. He decided to pull only 5/6 against 5 marines and 2 scv. That was the stupidest thing to do. So : 1) He played greedy as fuck 2) He didn't scout until very late 3) His MSC was REALLY POORLY PLACED 4) He didn't chrono his stalker when he scouted the raxs 5) He didn't pull enough probe to circle the marines 6) He let his MSC die (wtf) 7) His stalker died instantly without killing anything So no, SD just played terribly and 2 rax is garbage in TvP. He played standard The mama core dying didn't matter at all. He was at 7 probes at that point. If he gets off overcharge his nat is dead. And Demu pulls back and has an easy win from there. He didn't chrono stalker? How can you possilby know that? This game however was terrible. Intire army to catch one reaper, so the army could snipe 3rd and 5 ish probes.
MSC before Stalker isn't standard.
MMA core dying cost him the game.
He was at 7 probes because he pulled only 6 to attacks 5 marines.
If he loses his nat he still win the game because demu has proxy 11/11 et scv pull. Do you even understand the game wtf.
And he didn't chrono the gate because we saw his base all the fucking game.
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wow demuslim beat stardust?
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On August 03 2014 01:58 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 01:56 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:52 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:49 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:44 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:43 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:42 Rain.100 wrote:
anybody knows whats up with stardust? looks really shaky today idk This is pretty hard to beat. You are definately not favored as P vs it. With the standard opener. What? 2 rax is garbage vs protoss really. SD just played terribly. He had a mama core. He even scouted it so he could chrono stalker, which he might not have. And he pretty much had no chance. It's terrible because if you probe scout or don't go gate, gas, nexus, mama, you will have an easy time defending it. But with this opener (which is the most standard atm), it is not easy to defend double rax. Not at all. He pulled 12 drones, gg win. He decided to pull only 5/6 against 5 marines and 2 scv. That was the stupidest thing to do. So : 1) He played greedy as fuck 2) He didn't scout until very late 3) His MSC was REALLY POORLY PLACED 4) He didn't chrono his stalker when he scouted the raxs 5) He didn't pull enough probe to circle the marines 6) He let his MSC die (wtf) 7) His stalker died instantly without killing anything So no, SD just played terribly and 2 rax is garbage in TvP. He played standard The mama core dying didn't matter at all. He was at 7 probes at that point. If he gets off overcharge his nat is dead. And Demu pulls back and has an easy win from there. He didn't chrono stalker? How can you possilby know that? This game however was terrible. Intire army to catch one reaper, so the army could snipe 3rd and 5 ish probes. MSC before Stalker isn't standard. MMA core dying cost him the game. He was at 7 probes because he pulled only 6 to attacks 5 marines. If he loses his nat he still win the game because demu has proxy 11/11 et scv pull. Do you even understand the game wtf. And he didn't chrono the gate because we saw his base all the fucking game.
MSC before stalker isn't standard? I don't even need to read the post after you say that!
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On August 03 2014 02:00 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 01:58 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:56 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:52 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:49 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:44 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:43 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:42 Rain.100 wrote:
anybody knows whats up with stardust? looks really shaky today idk This is pretty hard to beat. You are definately not favored as P vs it. With the standard opener. What? 2 rax is garbage vs protoss really. SD just played terribly. He had a mama core. He even scouted it so he could chrono stalker, which he might not have. And he pretty much had no chance. It's terrible because if you probe scout or don't go gate, gas, nexus, mama, you will have an easy time defending it. But with this opener (which is the most standard atm), it is not easy to defend double rax. Not at all. He pulled 12 drones, gg win. He decided to pull only 5/6 against 5 marines and 2 scv. That was the stupidest thing to do. So : 1) He played greedy as fuck 2) He didn't scout until very late 3) His MSC was REALLY POORLY PLACED 4) He didn't chrono his stalker when he scouted the raxs 5) He didn't pull enough probe to circle the marines 6) He let his MSC die (wtf) 7) His stalker died instantly without killing anything So no, SD just played terribly and 2 rax is garbage in TvP. He played standard The mama core dying didn't matter at all. He was at 7 probes at that point. If he gets off overcharge his nat is dead. And Demu pulls back and has an easy win from there. He didn't chrono stalker? How can you possilby know that? This game however was terrible. Intire army to catch one reaper, so the army could snipe 3rd and 5 ish probes. MSC before Stalker isn't standard. MMA core dying cost him the game. He was at 7 probes because he pulled only 6 to attacks 5 marines. If he loses his nat he still win the game because demu has proxy 11/11 et scv pull. Do you even understand the game wtf. And he didn't chrono the gate because we saw his base all the fucking game. MSC before stalker isn't standard? I don't even need to read the post after you say that!
Nice way to disprove all my argument because you don't have any on your side. Topic closed then.
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On August 03 2014 02:02 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 02:00 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:58 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:56 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:52 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:49 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:44 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 01:43 Mozdk wrote:On August 03 2014 01:42 Rain.100 wrote:
anybody knows whats up with stardust? looks really shaky today idk This is pretty hard to beat. You are definately not favored as P vs it. With the standard opener. What? 2 rax is garbage vs protoss really. SD just played terribly. He had a mama core. He even scouted it so he could chrono stalker, which he might not have. And he pretty much had no chance. It's terrible because if you probe scout or don't go gate, gas, nexus, mama, you will have an easy time defending it. But with this opener (which is the most standard atm), it is not easy to defend double rax. Not at all. He pulled 12 drones, gg win. He decided to pull only 5/6 against 5 marines and 2 scv. That was the stupidest thing to do. So : 1) He played greedy as fuck 2) He didn't scout until very late 3) His MSC was REALLY POORLY PLACED 4) He didn't chrono his stalker when he scouted the raxs 5) He didn't pull enough probe to circle the marines 6) He let his MSC die (wtf) 7) His stalker died instantly without killing anything So no, SD just played terribly and 2 rax is garbage in TvP. He played standard The mama core dying didn't matter at all. He was at 7 probes at that point. If he gets off overcharge his nat is dead. And Demu pulls back and has an easy win from there. He didn't chrono stalker? How can you possilby know that? This game however was terrible. Intire army to catch one reaper, so the army could snipe 3rd and 5 ish probes. MSC before Stalker isn't standard. MMA core dying cost him the game. He was at 7 probes because he pulled only 6 to attacks 5 marines. If he loses his nat he still win the game because demu has proxy 11/11 et scv pull. Do you even understand the game wtf. And he didn't chrono the gate because we saw his base all the fucking game. MSC before stalker isn't standard? I don't even need to read the post after you say that! Nice way to disprove all my argument because you don't have any on your side. Topic closed then.
I agree
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On August 03 2014 02:00 SatedSC2 wrote:Seems a little BM? o_O DeMusliM did really well to beat StarDust. I didn't think he had a chance. I do hope that SCV pulls don't become the norm again though; they're not exactly interesting to watch...
Don't think so, just showmanship IMHO, especially with the "well done" in it.
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On August 03 2014 01:59 Shellshock wrote:
wow demuslim beat stardust?
yeah, with the hidden Op two rax
only a high potential player like Demuslim can use it, those Korean Terran scrubs just dont use it cause they are not smart enough
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stardust just played very very bad
playing greedy vs an inferior player deserves to lose
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On August 03 2014 02:02 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 02:00 SatedSC2 wrote:Seems a little BM? o_O DeMusliM did really well to beat StarDust. I didn't think he had a chance. I do hope that SCV pulls don't become the norm again though; they're not exactly interesting to watch... Don't think so, just showmanship IMHO, especially with the "well done" in it.
Sounds definitely bm to me... But i like it ^^
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On August 03 2014 02:00 SatedSC2 wrote:Seems a little BM? o_O DeMusliM did really well to beat StarDust. I didn't think he had a chance. I do hope that SCV pulls don't become the norm again though; they're not exactly interesting to watch...
In this case scv pull was very good because Demu was really ahead and he isn't good in late game tvp since he skips ghost but it's not that good on even games, especially on this map :p
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The most standard build you can go opens up MSC after a nexus and a zealot cancel...
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On August 03 2014 02:05 Heartland wrote:
The most standard build you can go opens up MSC after a nexus and a zealot cancel...
I definitly prefer stalker 21 and msc 23. much safer imho.
And SD did not make his stalker at 25, i'm pretty sure of that.
Zealot cancel is so 2013.
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Woah wtf happened to stardust?
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Wow that music is blazing.
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On August 03 2014 02:04 sharkie wrote:
stardust just played very very bad
playing greedy vs an inferior player deserves to lose
Koreas grip on europe seems to loosen a bit, first their reinforcements got denied by Bunny, than their king fell, Golden and Patience lost their invincebility in EPS and now this showing from Stardust. I think there is a chance, that S3 finally gets an EU champion. Not a high chance, but a growing chance.
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Wow good showing by TL so far!!
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On August 03 2014 02:06 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 02:05 Heartland wrote:
The most standard build you can go opens up MSC after a nexus and a zealot cancel... I definitly prefer stalker 21 and msc 23. much safer imho. And SD did not make his stalker at 25, i'm pretty sure of that. Zealot cancel is so 2013.
What? Nobody ever does 21 Stalker lol.
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On August 03 2014 02:06 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 02:05 Heartland wrote:
The most standard build you can go opens up MSC after a nexus and a zealot cancel... I definitly prefer stalker 21 and msc 23. much safer imho. And SD did not make his stalker at 25, i'm pretty sure of that. Zealot cancel is so 2013.
That's beside the point, really. MSC first is standard.
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On August 03 2014 02:08 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 02:06 Faust852 wrote:On August 03 2014 02:05 Heartland wrote:
The most standard build you can go opens up MSC after a nexus and a zealot cancel... I definitly prefer stalker 21 and msc 23. much safer imho. And SD did not make his stalker at 25, i'm pretty sure of that. Zealot cancel is so 2013. What? Nobody ever does 21 Stalker lol.
Well, MC does. And that's the 1st build they provide you on imbabuild so that's the one I learnt when I decided to switch protoss. And I play A LOT against that too.
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EPT
