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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:06 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. I've seen Parting, Hero and sOs all beat Zergs that have gone 15 pool first with cannon rushes. Soo stated that depending on the map, you couldnt perfectly defend it no matter what you do. And Rain also said that TvP balance was worse than BL/Infestor : P
Hey, I'm just saying cannon rush can beat 15 pool. Not that it will literally dominate the meta for 8 months.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:06 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. I've seen Parting, Hero and sOs all beat Zergs that have gone 15 pool first with cannon rushes. Soo stated that depending on the map, you couldnt perfectly defend it no matter what you do. And Rain also said that TvP balance was worse than BL/Infestor : P
Well that's true. Luckily all the Terran players in GSL are bad or they would just dominate.
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On June 23 2014 04:06 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 03:58 Schelim wrote:On June 23 2014 03:56 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 jakethesnake wrote:On June 23 2014 03:54 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:52 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:
[6/22/14 3:08:45 AM] Shellshock: Life will surely lose
[6/22/14 3:08:49 AM] Wintex: He finds a way
[6/22/14 3:08:53 AM] Shellshock: to disappoint See I can't even respond angrily because I know your still sad about Prime's showing today. + Show Spoiler +inb4 you make fun of alive and we can all be miserable together I am obviously a Jin Air fan hard to keep it straight. i thought it was flash wolves. There was EG at some point too so Jaedong, basically? absolutely not. I was representing the parts of EG I like which is everyone but Jaedong
uh... so, uhhh... well shit.
Huk?
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
SeeD vs DongRaeGu
2012 called, they want their matchups back
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On June 23 2014 04:07 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:06 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 04:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. I've seen Parting, Hero and sOs all beat Zergs that have gone 15 pool first with cannon rushes. Soo stated that depending on the map, you couldnt perfectly defend it no matter what you do. And Rain also said that TvP balance was worse than BL/Infestor : P Hey, I'm just saying cannon rush can beat 15 pool. Not that it will literally dominate the meta for 8 months.
I agree! I just think that, depending a bit on the map, it's balanced.
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On June 23 2014 04:06 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 03:58 Schelim wrote:On June 23 2014 03:56 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 jakethesnake wrote:On June 23 2014 03:54 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:52 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:
[6/22/14 3:08:45 AM] Shellshock: Life will surely lose
[6/22/14 3:08:49 AM] Wintex: He finds a way
[6/22/14 3:08:53 AM] Shellshock: to disappoint See I can't even respond angrily because I know your still sad about Prime's showing today. + Show Spoiler +inb4 you make fun of alive and we can all be miserable together I am obviously a Jin Air fan hard to keep it straight. i thought it was flash wolves. There was EG at some point too so Jaedong, basically? absolutely not. I was representing the parts of EG I like which is everyone but Jaedong
Yeah Suppy is pretty cool.
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On June 23 2014 04:04 MrLightning wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:02 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 04:01 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. Well that was just an example I thought of this tournament. Cannon rushes are quite good, too good. I think they're fine. It's just a way for Protoss to control the pace of the game and punish Hatch first. I am Terran and I think photon canons are not entirely 100% balanced? Perhaps increase build time?
Then forge openers die entirely as early pool builds would be way too effective against Protoss.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:07 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:06 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:58 Schelim wrote:On June 23 2014 03:56 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 jakethesnake wrote:On June 23 2014 03:54 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:52 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:
[6/22/14 3:08:45 AM] Shellshock: Life will surely lose
[6/22/14 3:08:49 AM] Wintex: He finds a way
[6/22/14 3:08:53 AM] Shellshock: to disappoint See I can't even respond angrily because I know your still sad about Prime's showing today. + Show Spoiler +inb4 you make fun of alive and we can all be miserable together I am obviously a Jin Air fan hard to keep it straight. i thought it was flash wolves. There was EG at some point too so Jaedong, basically? absolutely not. I was representing the parts of EG I like which is everyone but Jaedong uh... so, uhhh... well shit. Huk?
Suppocider
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On June 23 2014 04:07 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:06 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 04:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. I've seen Parting, Hero and sOs all beat Zergs that have gone 15 pool first with cannon rushes. Soo stated that depending on the map, you couldnt perfectly defend it no matter what you do. And Rain also said that TvP balance was worse than BL/Infestor : P Hey, I'm just saying cannon rush can beat 15 pool. Not that it will literally dominate the meta for 8 months.
a proxy 2 rax can beat a 15 pool also.
We've also seen CC first beat a 6 pool.
Just because it can happen doesn't mean it's not the usually appropriate response.
If you open pool first vs a FFE chances are Protoss won't opt to Cannon rush because of how much riskier it becomes.
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On June 23 2014 04:07 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:06 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 04:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. I've seen Parting, Hero and sOs all beat Zergs that have gone 15 pool first with cannon rushes. Soo stated that depending on the map, you couldnt perfectly defend it no matter what you do. And Rain also said that TvP balance was worse than BL/Infestor : P Well that's true. Luckily all the Terran players in GSL are bad or they would just dominate.
Protoss have to be x10 the players of Terran too
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Also Seed played one of the best Soul Trains of all time against Sniper.
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Seed forcefielding his problems away
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United States23455 Posts
Well Seed surely does not believe in a thing called roach.
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On June 23 2014 04:08 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:07 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 04:06 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 04:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. I've seen Parting, Hero and sOs all beat Zergs that have gone 15 pool first with cannon rushes. Soo stated that depending on the map, you couldnt perfectly defend it no matter what you do. And Rain also said that TvP balance was worse than BL/Infestor : P Hey, I'm just saying cannon rush can beat 15 pool. Not that it will literally dominate the meta for 8 months. a proxy 2 rax can beat a 15 pool also. We've also seen CC first beat a 6 pool. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it's not the usually appropriate response. If you open pool first vs a FFE chances are Protoss won't opt to Cannon rush because of how much riskier it becomes.
Heh. We've even seen 3 hatch before pool beat a 2 rax.
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On June 23 2014 04:09 Darkhorse wrote:
Well Seed surely does not believe in a thing called roach.
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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On June 23 2014 04:08 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:07 Schelim wrote:On June 23 2014 04:06 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:58 Schelim wrote:On June 23 2014 03:56 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 jakethesnake wrote:On June 23 2014 03:54 Shellshock wrote:On June 23 2014 03:52 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:
[6/22/14 3:08:45 AM] Shellshock: Life will surely lose
[6/22/14 3:08:49 AM] Wintex: He finds a way
[6/22/14 3:08:53 AM] Shellshock: to disappoint See I can't even respond angrily because I know your still sad about Prime's showing today. + Show Spoiler +inb4 you make fun of alive and we can all be miserable together I am obviously a Jin Air fan hard to keep it straight. i thought it was flash wolves. There was EG at some point too so Jaedong, basically? absolutely not. I was representing the parts of EG I like which is everyone but Jaedong uh... so, uhhh... well shit. Huk? Suppocider
that took me a second to get. did they even play in this MLG? (not hating, honest question)
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 23 2014 04:08 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:07 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 04:06 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 04:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. I've seen Parting, Hero and sOs all beat Zergs that have gone 15 pool first with cannon rushes. Soo stated that depending on the map, you couldnt perfectly defend it no matter what you do. And Rain also said that TvP balance was worse than BL/Infestor : P Hey, I'm just saying cannon rush can beat 15 pool. Not that it will literally dominate the meta for 8 months. a proxy 2 rax can beat a 15 pool also. We've also seen CC first beat a 6 pool. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it's not the usually appropriate response. If you open pool first vs a FFE chances are Protoss won't opt to Cannon rush because of how much riskier it becomes.
proxy 2 rax is supposed to beat 15 pool. CC first is also supposed to beat 6 pool. At least from my experience.
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On June 23 2014 04:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 04:07 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 04:06 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 04:04 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 03:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 23 2014 03:57 NaboliC wrote:On June 23 2014 03:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
Don't go hatch first vs Protoss and expect to not get punished this way Zergs.
Just because Gateway expands are more common, doesn't mean Protoss can't still do this to you. And as Stardust did vs Miniraiser, a cannon rush always works despite early pool, which is really sad i think. Saying that a cannon rush always works despite early pool based on one game where an unarguably much more accomplished Protoss beat a foreign zerg player sounds flawed at best. I've seen Parting, Hero and sOs all beat Zergs that have gone 15 pool first with cannon rushes. Soo stated that depending on the map, you couldnt perfectly defend it no matter what you do. And Rain also said that TvP balance was worse than BL/Infestor : P Hey, I'm just saying cannon rush can beat 15 pool. Not that it will literally dominate the meta for 8 months. a proxy 2 rax can beat a 15 pool also. We've also seen CC first beat a 6 pool. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it's not the usually appropriate response. If you open pool first vs a FFE chances are Protoss won't opt to Cannon rush because of how much riskier it becomes. Heh. We've even seen 3 hatch before pool beat a 2 rax.
Haha. I remember that one.
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Either Axeltoss and Rotti are doing the best trolling ever, or they have some serious chemistry issues
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Seed can two base all-in for about 40 minutes.
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