It's quite puzzling that people don't seem to care about a group with two korean terrans. I'm basing this on the fact that the lr thread got created just now!
WCS EU S2 Premier - MMA is at ~ 36.66 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 73.53 % of the time MMA wins and their chances go up to ~ 44.25 %. ~ 26.47 % of the time MMA loses and their chances go down to ~ 15.6 %. ------------------------------------------------- - ForGG is at ~ 25.13 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 75.54 % of the time ForGG wins and their chances go up to ~ 30.14 %. ~ 24.46 % of the time ForGG loses and their chances go down to ~ 9.66 %. ------------------------------------------------- - LiveZerg is at ~ 0.42 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 24.07 % of the time LiveZerg wins and their chances go up to ~ 1.42 %. ~ 75.93 % of the time LiveZerg loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.1 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Dayshi is at ~ 0.91 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 26.87 % of the time Dayshi wins and their chances go up to ~ 2.53 %. ~ 73.13 % of the time Dayshi loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.31 %.
On May 30 2014 01:25 Shellshock wrote: I guess I'll leave this one open since digmouse volunteered his to be closed
Yeah I was going to create it and see if anyone can take it over, I probably cant stay that late to do it all. Edit out the ugly red text and lichter's remains if you can too!
This build is not very good imo. I don't think I've ever seen it work if the zerg doesn't do something stupid. Just wait for the gold to dry out and you win by default.
I could see the build working if MMA had preserved the tanks in the beginning. He could add on more and more tanks+marines and slowly whittle down the zerg's forces by choking him with the tanks' power.
Fuck I always tune in too late to see a foreigner beat a Korean. Anyway, I'd give ForGG a 99% chance to win this series. Dayshi as not that good at TvT, wehereas ForGG is a god in TvT.
On May 30 2014 01:41 ThomasjServo wrote: Watch LZ vs. Dayshi for winners match.
No way. ^^
Dayshi's TvT is pretty good. ForGG is inconsistent. could happen.
Dayshi's TvT is awful according to him
Well, to be fair, ForGG's TvT ain't what it used to be either, still riding a wave from early HOTS. Its good, I just don't think you can say as universally, that ForGG will fuck you up in TvT.
On May 30 2014 01:42 Rehio wrote: It's a stupid strategy, and he deserves the hell out of that loss.
I'm only salty because I wanted him to win so much.
But god, I hate that strategy so much, it's just not good and there's no need to cheese.
No it wasnt a bad strategy. The map distance is so low if you move to the gold base, you can abuse the cliffs there with tanks and shut down main and first expansion of zerg.And all that in very low amount of time cause the walking distance is so low. But he left too late and zerg had already mutas. I like the way he thought about this game, maybe if he plays that out a bit different you can do it.
Daishy has said he hated Merry Go Round when it was just released, I'm sure he has practiced it anyway of course but maybe he's not as comfortable on it as other terrans (lost banshee)
I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Bagration secretly loves the swarmhost turtle. I just know it
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Bagration secretly loves the swarmhost turtle. I just know it
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Don't see it happening anyway, ForGG+MMA is still the most likely outcome for the group.
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Bagration secretly loves the swarmhost turtle. I just know it
Stephano vs uhh..... forgot his name. King Sejong Station. Never forget.
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Bagration secretly loves the swarmhost turtle. I just know it
Stephano vs uhh..... forgot his name. King Sejong Station. Never forget.
Petraeus?
I wouldn't wanna be remembered for that game though D:
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Bagration secretly loves the swarmhost turtle. I just know it
Stephano vs uhh..... forgot his name. King Sejong Station. Never forget.
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Bagration secretly loves the swarmhost turtle. I just know it
somehow this is looping in my head now: Teenage Mutant Swarmhost Turtles
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Bagration secretly loves the swarmhost turtle. I just know it
Stephano vs uhh..... forgot his name. King Sejong Station. Never forget.
Petraeus?
I wouldn't wanna be remembered for that game though D:
On May 30 2014 01:58 Bagration wrote: I'd be pissed if LiveZerg made it out of the group. Not because I don't like him, but there are so few Terrans to begin with, and this honestly should have been a group where 2 Terrans advanced. We all know what PvZ in EU looks like
Bagration secretly loves the swarmhost turtle. I just know it
Stephano vs uhh..... forgot his name. King Sejong Station. Never forget.
ROOT.Petraeus
Though there are only 3 Zergs as opposed to 8 Protoss, this is the very last chance to get at least 3 Terrans in so I really hope that happens, followed up by both Zergs tomorrow (even though I like Grubby)
damn it guys i get it Dayshi's TvT isn't good right now. but i swear i saw a tournament just a few weeks ago where he smashed a bunch of Korean terrans. either way, well played by ForGG.
On May 30 2014 02:24 Schelim wrote: damn it guys i get it Dayshi's TvT isn't good right now. but i swear i saw a tournament just a few weeks ago where he smashed a bunch of Korean terrans. either way, well played by ForGG.
On May 30 2014 02:24 Schelim wrote: damn it guys i get it Dayshi's TvT isn't good right now. but i swear i saw a tournament just a few weeks ago where he smashed a bunch of Korean terrans. either way, well played by ForGG.
Blinding cloud is somewhat stupid versus mech, as mech units (tanks?) don't have the mobility to ever go out of the clouds. Obviously, having some vikings would help kill those, too, but kamikaze vipers do the job just fine if the vikings don't 1-shot it.
Still sort of cool to see LiveZerg do well, though.
We have now reached the irritating phase of WCS EU/AM where the surprise foreigner is one map from advancing in first spot, but at the end of the day we will see two Koreans go through.
On May 30 2014 02:48 BaneRiders wrote: We have now reached the irritating phase of WCS EU/AM where the surprise foreigner is one map from advancing in first spot, but at the end of the day we will see two Koreans go through.
On May 30 2014 02:48 BaneRiders wrote: We have now reached the irritating phase of WCS EU/AM where the surprise foreigner is one map from advancing in first spot, but at the end of the day we will see two Koreans go through.
it's really the fullest-foreigner a foreigner can go.
On May 30 2014 02:48 BaneRiders wrote: We have now reached the irritating phase of WCS EU/AM where the surprise foreigner is one map from advancing in first spot, but at the end of the day we will see two Koreans go through.
it's really the fullest-foreigner a foreigner can go.
Win 3 maps, lose the next 4. That's called pulling an STX
On May 30 2014 02:48 BaneRiders wrote: We have now reached the irritating phase of WCS EU/AM where the surprise foreigner is one map from advancing in first spot, but at the end of the day we will see two Koreans go through.
it's really the fullest-foreigner a foreigner can go.
On May 30 2014 02:57 Hier wrote: Just tuned in; very surprised with LiveZerg. How has he been winning his games? Early busts? Swarm hosts? Standard ling-bling-muta?
On May 30 2014 02:58 TotalBiscuit wrote: Well the Terran buff was clearly sufficient...
Well it is a big deal in the standard meta, but doesn't really make a difference when you play mech, unless better harass maybe. Livezerg just countered mech perfectly.
On May 30 2014 02:59 AyaaLa wrote: Lol. This is hilarious. This has nothing to do with skill. DK are you watching?
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Yeah, nothing at all. He made bunch of Hellions and Banshees, did almost no damage while lost a ton of Hellions, let LiveZerg expand and get 4 bases going, while one of them being gold base, and suddenly gets crushed.
Yup, nothing to do with how ForGG played, Zerg is OP obviously...
On May 30 2014 03:00 Noonius wrote: so, mech against zerg is as dead as mech against protoss
Next patch: Blinding cloud renamed to Creep because Zergs again took a very long time to figure out how good one of their mechanics/units are.
To be a fair apart of this comes from the Hydra buff. Roach/Hydra is now pretty decent against pure bio which "forces" the terran player to get Tanks --> Blinding Cloud hard counters that shit.
I guess the good thing is that only terrans are left in this group but maybe all 3 manage to get DQed and only Livezerg advances. Would be fitting for the current situation
On May 30 2014 03:02 argonautdice wrote: So ForGG's hellion banshee harass all getting shut down, letting LZ go up to hive and 80 drones so quickly, is this really a balance issue?
He killed 20 drones, it's not like it did nothing at all.
On May 30 2014 02:59 AyaaLa wrote: Lol. This is hilarious. This has nothing to do with skill. DK are you watching?
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Yeah, nothing at all. He made bunch of Hellions and Banshees, did almost no damage while lost a ton of Hellions, let LiveZerg expand and get 4 bases going, while one of them being gold base, and suddenly gets crushed.
Yup, nothing to do with how ForGG played, Zerg is OP obviously...
And notice that livezerg go roach first before forGG even start mech. Livezerg has probably prepare forgg and see forgg go often mech.
And forGG has really weird decision, he attacks vs 200/200roach/hydra/viper.He just needed to camp/get upgrades.
On May 30 2014 03:00 Noonius wrote: so, mech against zerg is as dead as mech against protoss
Next patch: Blinding cloud renamed to Creep because Zergs again took a very long time to figure out how good one of their mechanics/units are.
Why is Blizzard so strict with terran players, though? Immediately after terran players figure something out it gets removed. Infernal preigniter, mass ghost snipe, hellbat drops etc - none of them got to be used for very long. But this zerg domination in this particular matchup has gone unchanged for months. I love stomping terrans who bm me on ladder (but lately I've gone all Idra apologizing for my race), but watching the game is just not enjoyable anymore when there are only two competitive races.
On May 30 2014 03:02 argonautdice wrote: So ForGG's hellion banshee harass all getting shut down, letting LZ go up to hive and 80 drones so quickly, is this really a balance issue?
He killed 20 drones, it's not like it did nothing at all.
While his few Banshees and 10+ Hellions died, it is like nothing at all.
On May 30 2014 03:02 argonautdice wrote: So ForGG's hellion banshee harass all getting shut down, letting LZ go up to hive and 80 drones so quickly, is this really a balance issue?
One game is never a proof of anything. It's this game, plus the 50 previous TvZ where a superior Terran player goes either bio, biomine, biotanks, skymech... and still fails miserably. In other words, it's the drop of water that makes the vase overflow.
Once again, the "best Terrans out of Korea" claim hits the ground.
On May 30 2014 02:24 Schelim wrote: damn it guys i get it Dayshi's TvT isn't good right now. but i swear i saw a tournament just a few weeks ago where he smashed a bunch of Korean terrans. either way, well played by ForGG.
On May 30 2014 03:18 argonautdice wrote: How come High Impact Payload is never used? Maybe that would help against the vipers when going against roach hydra.
Because switching it takes awhile and is a pain in the ass.
I don't understand why these Terrans don't play Mech only. Mech is just superior, if you get enough Turrets I don't see how Marine/Tank could beat Mech... ???
On May 30 2014 03:24 ChooChooChua wrote: I don't understand why these Terrans don't play Mech only. Mech is just superior, if you get enough Turrets I don't see how Marine/Tank could beat Mech... ???
If you can out multitask your opponent bio can rek mech pretty hard. MMA probably felt he could do so to Dayshi.
On May 30 2014 03:24 ChooChooChua wrote: I don't understand why these Terrans don't play Mech only. Mech is just superior, if you get enough Turrets I don't see how Marine/Tank could beat Mech... ???
On May 30 2014 03:18 argonautdice wrote: How come High Impact Payload is never used? Maybe that would help against the vipers when going against roach hydra.
Because switching it takes awhile and is a pain in the ass.
Well, to be honest that's a very fair point. More marines over marauders might also have helped to zone out the vipers. Marine ground to air should be unaffected right?
On May 30 2014 03:24 ChooChooChua wrote: I don't understand why these Terrans don't play Mech only. Mech is just superior, if you get enough Turrets I don't see how Marine/Tank could beat Mech... ???
turtle too hard and you just get outexpanded ;p
That happens to me often on Ladder, but if you have 3 Base you can get to 200 supply and push out.
Why did he sit back after getting such a huge advantage in the early game *facepalm* why did he build +4 command centers instead of building upgrades army / starports why did he not act on his advantages... *facepalm* full foreigner..
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
MMA will probably win this. He has been winning over ForGG recently even though they are overall very close. ForGG sometimes has his yolo moments in TvT when he just takes a questionable trade...
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: Mvp vs MMA is El Clasico of SC2
no because Real Madrid and Barcelona aren't overrated on that level
Of course they arent, they're some of the best 4-8 teams in the world, ike, every year.
That said, I agree with MMA vs Mvp being the Federer vs Nadal of SC2. Maybe the Hewitt vs Roddick (a little more old school, they were the n1 at their prime, kept on fighting for a long time).
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:12 SinCitta wrote: Biggest throw of the week. And that's the week where we had the Nigerian goalkeeper throw the ball into his own goal.
On May 30 2014 04:30 stuchiu wrote: So how does this rank among MMA vs Dayshi g3 and Nigerian goalkeeper in terms of throws?
I missed that game, how did Dayshi throw it?
his early reaper attack put him up 21-10 in scv count with faster starport and everything. Then he threw down 5 missile turrets after scanning that mma wasnt mining any more gas. MMA got a faster 3rd and took an upgrade lead. dayshi went for battlecruisers with his marine tank. mma took all the better engagements.
So apparently ForGG decided he had to many Hellbats, so he decided to throw them away. Unfortunately for him MMA decided to attack him right after that.
On May 30 2014 04:30 stuchiu wrote: So how does this rank among MMA vs Dayshi g3 and Nigerian goalkeeper in terms of throws?
I missed that game, how did Dayshi throw it?
his early reaper attack put him up 21-10 in scv count with faster starport and everything. Then he threw down 5 missile turrets after scanning that mma wasnt mining any more gas. MMA got a faster 3rd and took an upgrade lead. dayshi went for battlecruisers with his marine tank. mma took all the better engagements.
On May 30 2014 05:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Wait are Yoda and ForGG gonna be the only terrans in the round of 16?
Yes.
If only MMA didn't do that incredibly weird build on Habitation Station and just played straight up, there's a solid chance it would've been him and ForGG making it out of the group. Either way, well played LiveZerg & ForGG today!
On May 30 2014 05:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Wait are Yoda and ForGG gonna be the only terrans in the round of 16?
Yes.
If only MMA didn't do that incredibly weird build on Habitation Station and just played straight up, there's a solid chance it would've been him and ForGG making it out of the group. Either way, well played LiveZerg & ForGG today!
Weird build... Habitation... Don't tell me he flew to the gold.
Damn, only 2 terrans alive in WCS EU... no MMA, no Mvp... Well at least ForGG and YoDa made it, two of the guys I was cheering for. ForGG fighting, go go get that 1st place!
This strategy used to work better, but right now Z and P learnt how to deal with it.
Still I dont know why MMA with his decent TvZ doesnt feel comfortable to play macro game with average Zerg. Still didnt see a single game where T actually made use of a new patch.
On May 30 2014 05:12 Bagration wrote: For fuck sake MMA. Embarrassing
hopefully a better showing at HSC next weekend but T_T
HSC is relatively insignificant compared to WCS. With that, MMA's chances for Blizzcon just got fucked
And Acer doesn't send MMA to many foreign tournaments
MMA is at ~ 36.66 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 73.53 % of the time kr MMA wins and their chances go up to ~ 44.25 %. ~ 26.47 % of the time kr MMA loses and their chances go down to ~ 15.6 %.
so evidently just copy pasting that screws up the formatting w/e im gonna go cry now
On May 30 2014 05:01 ShowTheLights wrote: you fucking lose to Livezerg you deserve to lose MMA
god fucking damnit
hmm but forgg lost also to livezerg so neither of them deserves to win?
forgg didn't lose like that
but forgg lost 2:0 whereas mma 2:1
gold rush on habitation station == should be fired by team don't know when this has worked the last time against zerg...
MKP beat soO with it once in proleague. soO was also going hatch first I think
You and I both know MKP doing gold floating is a completely different thing. MKP floating to gold followed by 4 rax marine rally too. It's like soul train, everybody does soul train, nobody does soul train like Parting.
MMA said he is retiring in 2015 and he wanted to win all three seasons. Dropping out so quickly might either encourage him to stay longer or cause him to retire sooner. RIP
I think we had the worse possible outcome today. Two terrans were eliminated - that is bad on its own.
If MMA made it through it would be nice because he was twice in the finals and the game feels too shaky - he go eliminated. If Dayshi made it through it would be nice because he is a great foreigner - he got eliminated too.
Good luck to ForGG I guess - maybe he will surprise us.
EPT
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