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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 28 2014 23:59 GMT
#421
On May 29 2014 08:55 Undead1993 wrote:
this hype train is probably going to derail very quickly

Terran 2-1s Korean zerg, goes 1 up in winners match and loses the next two. Token protoss in group goes 1-4 and terran loses the rematch 0-2. This sounds vaguely familiar
Glorious SEA doto
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12838 Posts
May 28 2014 23:59 GMT
#422
Seems jd ZvT isn't doing so well recently
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 00:01:30
May 28 2014 23:59 GMT
#423
On May 29 2014 08:58 Waise wrote:
oops, i thought would be strikethrough, not spoilers. how do you do strikethrough here?


It is. It should be.

Edit for [s]test ..huh
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 00:01:17
May 28 2014 23:59 GMT
#424
On May 29 2014 08:57 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 08:53 jakethesnake wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:51 Waise wrote:
i feel like the "roaches suck" outcry in this thread is really overblown. 1/1 roach or +1 armor roach are perfectly viable timing attacks against terran, as is roach/hydra/viper macro style. yes if the timing attacks are scouted and defended well the attack can look silly... isn't that all timing attacks?

i didn't see the jaedong game from earlier, but i assume he just executed it poorly


I think the real problem with the roach attacks so far today is that they haven't had a good transition other than 'try again with more roaches'. If that is the way you are going to play, your first push has to do big damage and is just a huge gamble and I don't like it.

what? roach/hydra is good and hyun does it against terran and wins. i'm fairly certain i saw life do it against innovation at dreamhack too (he lost, but no style wins EVERY time...)

the issue is that ling/bling/muta is just still really good too and usually easier to win with. but that doesn't make roach or roach/hydra weak


I didn't say they can't be good or can't work or be powerful, but if you are playing with no transition at all and are banking on your push doing huge damage, I don't like it - I think it is just boring unless you are going to try and add a few other units into your comp like vipers or hydras. That's all I'm saying. It's not about what is good and what isn't. I just don't like it.

Edit: saw your edit, we basically agree on bad builds being bad. haha
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
May 29 2014 00:00 GMT
#425
On May 29 2014 08:56 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

(T)Heart vs (Z)HyuN
1-1


Map: Habitation Station


Heart spawns in the top right
HyuN spawns in the top left

2:00
Hatchery first for HyuN.
Spawning pool and gas after the hatchery first.
Heart opening reaper.

3:00
Heart expands.
Reactor on the barracks.
Heart getting a factory.
HyuN researching zergling speed.

4:00
Heart pokes at the eggs with his reaper.
Heart building a third CC.
Hellions on the way.

5:00
HyuN running a lot of drones off.
Stim pack being researched.
HyuN taking a third.
Heart goes for a poke on HyuN's third base.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 00:01:09
May 29 2014 00:00 GMT
#426
On May 29 2014 08:58 Waise wrote:
oops, i thought would be strikethrough, not spoilers. how do you do strikethrough here?

it is just surround what you want to [s]strikethrough
edit: ???????
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
May 29 2014 00:00 GMT
#427
On May 29 2014 08:58 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 08:57 AWalker9 wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:56 Undead1993 wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:56 AWalker9 wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:55 Undead1993 wrote:
this hype train is probably going to derail very quickly


It's obviously because Darkhorse said he was going to support Heart

i agree, the curse is real

Let's test a variation of it, where it reverses when I agree with him.
I'm now rooting for Heart.


Is your Heart in it though?

Mostly.

D:
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
May 29 2014 00:00 GMT
#428
On May 29 2014 08:57 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 08:53 jakethesnake wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:51 Waise wrote:
i feel like the "roaches suck" outcry in this thread is really overblown. 1/1 roach or +1 armor roach are perfectly viable timing attacks against terran, as is roach/hydra/viper macro style. yes if the timing attacks are scouted and defended well the attack can look silly... isn't that all timing attacks?

i didn't see the jaedong game from earlier, but i assume he just executed it poorly


I think the real problem with the roach attacks so far today is that they haven't had a good transition other than 'try again with more roaches'. If that is the way you are going to play, your first push has to do big damage and is just a huge gamble and I don't like it.

+ Show Spoiler +
what? roach/hydra is good and hyun does it against terran and wins. i'm fairly certain i saw life do it against innovation at dreamhack too (he lost, but no style wins EVERY time...)

the issue is that ling/bling/muta is just still really good too and usually easier to win with. but that doesn't make roach or roach/hydra weak


ooh, i missed the part where you were talking about just today. well yeah, a badly executed build is bad. but roach timings aren't bad. sometimes shit doesn't work :p

Yeah, but if that comp is to work once both players start maxing out, you really need vipers and infestors as well as a high hydra count. The role of the roach in that comp is to tank damage for the valuable units. Going pure roach after the timing is never going to work, the power of the build resides in the tech units and the casters.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 29 2014 00:00 GMT
#429
On May 29 2014 09:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 08:58 Waise wrote:
oops, i thought would be strikethrough, not spoilers. how do you do strikethrough here?

it is [s] just surround what you want to [s]strikethrough

oh ok it's just that the [s] icon actually makes [spoiler] tags. how weird
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 29 2014 00:01 GMT
#430
Welcome back 2012 WoL. I missed you too.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 29 2014 00:01 GMT
#431
Hyun loves his roaches.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
May 29 2014 00:02 GMT
#432
HyuN going to work around Heart's greedy style with more Roaches but this time with Banelings.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
May 29 2014 00:02 GMT
#433
the triple barrel bust variation?!
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 29 2014 00:02 GMT
#434
Well, things are looking good for Hyun.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 29 2014 00:02 GMT
#435
Heart is a veteran at this.
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
May 29 2014 00:02 GMT
#436
I like the transition here by Hyun after a good hold by Heart.
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 29 2014 00:02 GMT
#437
On May 29 2014 09:00 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 08:57 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:53 jakethesnake wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:51 Waise wrote:
i feel like the "roaches suck" outcry in this thread is really overblown. 1/1 roach or +1 armor roach are perfectly viable timing attacks against terran, as is roach/hydra/viper macro style. yes if the timing attacks are scouted and defended well the attack can look silly... isn't that all timing attacks?

i didn't see the jaedong game from earlier, but i assume he just executed it poorly


I think the real problem with the roach attacks so far today is that they haven't had a good transition other than 'try again with more roaches'. If that is the way you are going to play, your first push has to do big damage and is just a huge gamble and I don't like it.

+ Show Spoiler +
what? roach/hydra is good and hyun does it against terran and wins. i'm fairly certain i saw life do it against innovation at dreamhack too (he lost, but no style wins EVERY time...)

the issue is that ling/bling/muta is just still really good too and usually easier to win with. but that doesn't make roach or roach/hydra weak


ooh, i missed the part where you were talking about just today. well yeah, a badly executed build is bad. but roach timings aren't bad. sometimes shit doesn't work :p

Yeah, but if that comp is to work once both players start maxing out, you really need vipers and infestors as well as a high hydra count. The role of the roach in that comp is to tank damage for the valuable units. Going pure roach after the timing is never going to work, the power of the build resides in the tech units and the casters.

yeah i didn't read it clearly at first. but still, eh. it's just a miscalculation. sometimes you think you have a kill move if you reinforce ASAP, so you yolo it. if you're wrong you end up looking real bad

i agree on the general point that "macro mass roach = bad" though
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
May 29 2014 00:04 GMT
#438
This is looking like HyuN's old school HotS ZvT style with Roach/Bane.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 29 2014 00:04 GMT
#439
On May 29 2014 09:00 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 29 2014 08:58 Waise wrote:
oops, i thought would be strikethrough, not spoilers. how do you do strikethrough here?

it is [s] just surround what you want to [s]strikethrough

oh ok it's just that the [s] icon actually makes [spoiler] tags. how weird


Something is up. Probably R1CH performing some of his..stuff..that he do
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
May 29 2014 00:04 GMT
#440
aaand the OC is going to be nerfed
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