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[ATC] yoeFW vs Axiom, Playday 3, Season 3

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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 16:22:36
April 20 2014 21:35 GMT
#1
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(Wiki)Acer TeamStory Cup Season 3/Group Stage





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de TaKeTV | gb Khaldor | pl EmSc TV | fr OGamingTV | cn BreAKerTV



Monday, Apr 21 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Axiom, for the third time in a row! Even though Axiom is known to qualify for the playoffs at the last minute, a third loss in three matches would seriously endanger their chances to do it this time. And now, of all times they meet yoe Flash Wolves who destroyed their opponents in their first two games.

Will yoeFW continue their stomp through the Acer TeamStory Cup or can Axiom invert the trend?


(Z)Leenock <Overgrowth LE> (P)CranK
<King Sejong Station LE>
<Alterzim Stronghold>
<Waystation>
<Frost>
<Habitation Station>
<Merry Go Round LE>
<Overgrowth LE>
<King Sejong Station LE>







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(Z)Leenock <Overgrowth LE> (P)CranK

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(Z)Ian <King Sejong Station LE> (P)CranK

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(P)Has <Alterzim Stronghold> (P)CranK

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(P)San <Waystation> (P)CranK

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(Z)Leenock* <Frost> (P)CranK

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(Z)Leenock* <Habitation Station> (T)Heart

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<Merry Go Round LE>

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<King Sejong Station LE>


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(Z)Leenock <Overgrowth LE> (P)CranK
(Z)Ian <King Sejong Station LE> (P)CranK
(P)Has <Alterzim Stronghold> (P)CranK
(P)San <Waystation> (P)CranK
(Z)Leenock* <Frost> (P)CranK
(Z)Leenock* <Habitation Station> (T)Heart
<Merry Go Round LE>
<Overgrowth LE>
<King Sejong Station LE>

1-5
finished





       * = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-20 21:36:26
April 20 2014 21:35 GMT
#2
Poll: Head: Who do you think will win?

yoe Flash Wolves (20)
 
61%

Axiom eSports (13)
 
39%

33 total votes

Your vote: Head: Who do you think will win?

(Vote): yoe Flash Wolves
(Vote): Axiom eSports



Poll: Heart: Who do you want to win?

Axiom eSports (20)
 
54%

yoe Flash Wolves (17)
 
46%

37 total votes

Your vote: Heart: Who do you want to win?

(Vote): yoe Flash Wolves
(Vote): Axiom eSports

Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 20 2014 21:46 GMT
#3
Let's go Axiom! This is a must-win
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
April 21 2014 11:25 GMT
#4
I am hoping that we will see yoeFWIan and yoeFWHas do well tonight.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 21 2014 11:31 GMT
#5
I fear that Axiom might loose this one, they need to bring their A-game (All-kill would really help them, but that is gonna be hard, but who knows?) - gl Axiom! (and yoeFW ofc)
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 21 2014 12:28 GMT
#6
if axiom loses this then their chances of playoffs are pretty much zero

but fret not, impact allkills
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Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
April 21 2014 13:28 GMT
#7
Hopefully San will get to play.
<3 sOs, Parting, Mana, Honor, TaKe, Mcanning<3
ScottChen
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan29 Posts
April 21 2014 13:38 GMT
#8
I guess Slam will be the first player for Yoe.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
April 21 2014 13:45 GMT
#9
CranK vs Leenock for the start.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
April 21 2014 14:00 GMT
#10
I need some sweet Pimpact points today!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 14:04:48
April 21 2014 14:03 GMT
#11
There's a mistake in the OP, the english stream is http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Khaldor not basetradetv.

EDIT : fixed. Wow that was swift.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 21 2014 14:04 GMT
#12
On April 21 2014 23:00 Musicus wrote:
I need some sweet Pimpact points today!


I would like some of those too. I am also okay with Has
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 21 2014 14:05 GMT
#13
On April 21 2014 23:03 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
There's a mistake in the OP, the english stream is http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Khaldor not basetradetv.

EDIT : fixed. Wow that was swift.


I can only guess who is casting what before the clanwar starts. Every caster is free to PM me if he wants it corrected.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 21 2014 14:06 GMT
#14
Rawr go Axiom.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
April 21 2014 14:13 GMT
#15
On April 21 2014 23:04 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 23:00 Musicus wrote:
I need some sweet Pimpact points today!


I would like some of those too. I am also okay with Has


The Jaedong fanboy in me always feels bad when I get Haspoints.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 14:14 GMT
#16
LET'S GO CRANK!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
rawrthedog
Profile Joined December 2010
175 Posts
April 21 2014 14:16 GMT
#17
On April 21 2014 23:06 Darkhorse wrote:
Rawr go Axiom.



you called?
IM NESTEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 21 2014 14:28 GMT
#18
Yay Crank
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 21 2014 14:28 GMT
#19
The third is a trap :D
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 14:28 GMT
#20
Aw yiss! Crank'd!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 21 2014 14:28 GMT
#21
why didnt Leenock focus the nexus?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 21 2014 14:28 GMT
#22
great start axiom
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 14:30 GMT
#23
On April 21 2014 23:28 Ej_ wrote:
why didnt Leenock focus the nexus?


I think he was going after the units and the workers. At the end, Crank had like 3 workers left
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
April 21 2014 14:30 GMT
#24
On April 21 2014 23:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The third is a trap :D

That had the looks of a build specifically tailored to the map/opponent. Leenock is known for his muta switches, but it only works if you can buy enough breathing room.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 14:31 GMT
#25
Another PvZ. I would love to see a Crank all kill
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 21 2014 14:32 GMT
#26
I think Crank should be fine against the rest of YFW with the exception of San.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 14:35 GMT
#27
Sucks to hear that the donation was fake
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
April 21 2014 14:41 GMT
#28
On April 21 2014 23:35 Bagration wrote:
Sucks to hear that the donation was fake

Still, Khaldor received several donations in the 100$ range. That's very good.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 14:51 GMT
#29
Damn, missed the first game but glad CranK won. Was it a good game?
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
April 21 2014 14:53 GMT
#30
Big blunder from Ian not taking out the double stargate in the main.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
April 21 2014 14:54 GMT
#31
Seriously why isn't he going for the stargate??
SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
April 21 2014 14:55 GMT
#32
How did the first game end ? I saw Leenock taking the gold as a third and holding very well against Crank's agression. How did he lose ?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 21 2014 14:55 GMT
#33
Well Ian missed an opportunity there but GG Crank! Gogo Axiom
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 14:55 GMT
#34
Get in! CranK <3
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 21 2014 14:56 GMT
#35
This LR offers the unique possibility of summoning both TB and Khaldor in the same thread.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 14:57 GMT
#36
On April 21 2014 23:55 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
How did the first game end ? I saw Leenock taking the gold as a third and holding very well against Crank's agression. How did he lose ?


Crank went for a third, cancelled it and went for an all in. He managed to grab a good part of Leenock's army at his third, and caught Leenock in the middle of a mutalisk transition. Had he delayed the attack 1 minute, Leenock would have had static defense set up and crushed him.

It was a great timing
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
April 21 2014 14:59 GMT
#37
On April 21 2014 23:57 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 23:55 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
How did the first game end ? I saw Leenock taking the gold as a third and holding very well against Crank's agression. How did he lose ?


Crank went for a third, cancelled it and went for an all in. He managed to grab a good part of Leenock's army at his third, and caught Leenock in the middle of a mutalisk transition. Had he delayed the attack 1 minute, Leenock would have had static defense set up and crushed him.

It was a great timing


Damned, sounds good. I wish I had stayed by my computer . Ian didn't look nearly as impressive.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 21 2014 15:07 GMT
#38
It is weird that he proxies there, but I think it has to do with scouting patterns and timings. It might be harder to ward off the probe when it comes to scout the twilight, than when the DT shrine is up and the Stalker is out.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 15:12 GMT
#39
I'm seriously thinking of getting Twitch Turbo to get rid of these pre-rolls. So frustrating sometimes. Not sure if I can afford it though.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:12:45
April 21 2014 15:12 GMT
#40
On April 21 2014 23:57 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 23:55 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
How did the first game end ? I saw Leenock taking the gold as a third and holding very well against Crank's agression. How did he lose ?


Crank went for a third, cancelled it and went for an all in. He managed to grab a good part of Leenock's army at his third, and caught Leenock in the middle of a mutalisk transition. Had he delayed the attack 1 minute, Leenock would have had static defense set up and crushed him.

It was a great timing


Thank you for the neat summary.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:14:51
April 21 2014 15:13 GMT
#41
Nice feedback on the MSC by Crank with the templar in the prism.

Had he not got that I think Has could've held much better
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 21 2014 15:15 GMT
#42
Fake units best units
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 21 2014 15:15 GMT
#43
hehe, he's no tarson
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 21 2014 15:15 GMT
#44
On April 22 2014 00:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Fake units best units


stop using tb's account huk
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 15:15 GMT
#45
YEAH CRANK!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 21 2014 15:16 GMT
#46
On April 22 2014 00:15 Heartland wrote:
hehe, he's no tarson


he's sober?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 21 2014 15:16 GMT
#47
Yeah the hallucinated colossi tanked so many archon/immortal shots. I think they have to play double San to try to win here.
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:17:38
April 21 2014 15:16 GMT
#48
CranK looking great from what I've seen so far. San still scares me though. He all-killed Axiom last season and now Axiom have to presumably face him twice.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 15:17 GMT
#49
On April 22 2014 00:16 Crot4le wrote:
CranK looking great from what I've seen so far. San still scares me though. He all-killed Axiom last season and now, presumably, Axiom have to face him twice.


yeah, but having momentum like this is great for Axiom. This is the Axiom that we were waiting for
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:18:55
April 21 2014 15:17 GMT
#50
On April 22 2014 00:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Fake units best units



Yup, after those games I'm starting to think real units are overated. I mean, they cost so much money and supply and all that stuff...
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 15:20 GMT
#51
On April 22 2014 00:17 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:16 Crot4le wrote:
CranK looking great from what I've seen so far. San still scares me though. He all-killed Axiom last season and now, presumably, Axiom have to face him twice.


yeah, but having momentum like this is great for Axiom. This is the Axiom that we were waiting for


Indeed. It's not over yet so I'm not counting my chickens as there's still a long way to go, San can be a monster in team leagues, however Axiom really do need the win after the first two matches. Another loss would be a huge set-back to which it's going to be an uphill struggle to come back from. But looking good. Hopefully CranK can take at least one more game and I reckon at least one of Impact, Ryung, Alicia or Heart could nab the other.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 21 2014 15:23 GMT
#52
looks like Axiom brought their A-game, or atleast Crank did should win it unless San/Resurect-Leenock goes nuts
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 15:24 GMT
#53
On April 22 2014 00:17 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Fake units best units



Yup, after those games I'm starting to think real units are overated. I mean, they cost so much money and supply and all that stuff...


You are actually correct though. Broodlord Infestor back in WoL was the most abusive style ever, and it relied largely upon free units (broodlings and infested Terrans).

Mass raven is one of the strongest lategame compositions, which relies on mass auto-turrets, point defense drones, and seeker missiles. Swarmhosts are also free unit generators.

Because the goal of the game is to reach an army composition where you can rely on free units, and because Protoss free units cannot attack (hallucinations), this is why we see so many Protoss all ins to stop Zerg and Terran from reaching the late game free units stage.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 21 2014 15:24 GMT
#54
On April 22 2014 00:23 SmoKim wrote:
looks like Axiom brought their A-game, or atleast Crank did should win it unless San/Resurect-Leenock goes nuts

they'll likely revive San rather than Leenock imo
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 21 2014 15:24 GMT
#55
Fuck that, revive has and have him cannon rush to the bank
Glorious SEA doto
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
April 21 2014 15:27 GMT
#56
loool wtf... crank on fire today :D
SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
April 21 2014 15:27 GMT
#57
On April 22 2014 00:24 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:17 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Fake units best units



Yup, after those games I'm starting to think real units are overated. I mean, they cost so much money and supply and all that stuff...


You are actually correct though. Broodlord Infestor back in WoL was the most abusive style ever, and it relied largely upon free units (broodlings and infested Terrans).

Mass raven is one of the strongest lategame compositions, which relies on mass auto-turrets, point defense drones, and seeker missiles. Swarmhosts are also free unit generators.

Because the goal of the game is to reach an army composition where you can rely on free units, and because Protoss free units cannot attack (hallucinations), this is why we see so many Protoss all ins to stop Zerg and Terran from reaching the late game free units stage.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha



Interesting theorycrafting. But don't you think Protoss had so good results because Terran and Zerg free units can attack, wich make them more like real units, thus making them weaker ?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 21 2014 15:28 GMT
#58
Wow Crank.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 21 2014 15:28 GMT
#59
nooo San
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 15:28 GMT
#60
CRANK!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 15:28 GMT
#61
GET IN! FUCK YEAH!
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 21 2014 15:28 GMT
#62
Team CranK
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 15:29 GMT
#63
Will CranK complete the all-kill?

Poll: Will CranK all-kill yoe Flash Wolves?

Yes (6)
 
75%

No (2)
 
25%

8 total votes

Your vote: Will CranK all-kill yoe Flash Wolves?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 15:30 GMT
#64
On April 22 2014 00:27 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:17 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Fake units best units



Yup, after those games I'm starting to think real units are overated. I mean, they cost so much money and supply and all that stuff...


You are actually correct though. Broodlord Infestor back in WoL was the most abusive style ever, and it relied largely upon free units (broodlings and infested Terrans).

Mass raven is one of the strongest lategame compositions, which relies on mass auto-turrets, point defense drones, and seeker missiles. Swarmhosts are also free unit generators.

Because the goal of the game is to reach an army composition where you can rely on free units, and because Protoss free units cannot attack (hallucinations), this is why we see so many Protoss all ins to stop Zerg and Terran from reaching the late game free units stage.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha



Interesting theorycrafting. But don't you think Protoss had so good results because Terran and Zerg free units can attack, wich make them more like real units, thus making them weaker ?


Well, I think the root of all the problems is the fact that Protoss doesn't have any free attacking units. Thus, if you make interceptors free (keeping the build time though), you would not only solve all the problems of balance, but also make Carriers viable. After all, why would you go for a two base blink when you could go for an oracle into 2 base carrier rush?
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 15:31 GMT
#65
Come on Axiom, whatever you do, don't get EG'd.
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 15:31 GMT
#66
On April 22 2014 00:28 Ej_ wrote:
Team CranK


Bloody Axiom going down the route of having one superstar and a bunch of B-teamers.

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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 15:33 GMT
#67
On April 22 2014 00:31 Bagration wrote:
Come on Axiom, whatever you do, don't get EG'd.


Axiom aren't a one-man team like EG. But oh the horror of the thought, I'd be crushed if Axiom get reverse-all-killed.
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SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:36:43
April 21 2014 15:33 GMT
#68
On April 22 2014 00:30 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:27 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:17 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Fake units best units



Yup, after those games I'm starting to think real units are overated. I mean, they cost so much money and supply and all that stuff...


You are actually correct though. Broodlord Infestor back in WoL was the most abusive style ever, and it relied largely upon free units (broodlings and infested Terrans).

Mass raven is one of the strongest lategame compositions, which relies on mass auto-turrets, point defense drones, and seeker missiles. Swarmhosts are also free unit generators.

Because the goal of the game is to reach an army composition where you can rely on free units, and because Protoss free units cannot attack (hallucinations), this is why we see so many Protoss all ins to stop Zerg and Terran from reaching the late game free units stage.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha



Interesting theorycrafting. But don't you think Protoss had so good results because Terran and Zerg free units can attack, wich make them more like real units, thus making them weaker ?


Well, I think the root of all the problems is the fact that Protoss doesn't have any free attacking units. Thus, if you make interceptors free (keeping the build time though), you would not only solve all the problems of balance, but also make Carriers viable. After all, why would you go for a two base blink when you could go for an oracle into 2 base carrier rush?


But we could see the emergence of proxy carrier in PvP. I guess we should make the tempests spawn a free unit instead of shooting to counter that ?
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
April 21 2014 15:34 GMT
#69
All-Kill!! Well, it is ATC. Let's go Leenock!! Need some more games.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 21 2014 15:36 GMT
#70
On April 22 2014 00:31 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:28 Ej_ wrote:
Team CranK


Bloody Axiom going down the route of having one superstar and a bunch of B-teamers.


it's the disease known as ATC syndrome
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 15:37 GMT
#71
On April 22 2014 00:33 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:30 Bagration wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:27 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:17 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Fake units best units



Yup, after those games I'm starting to think real units are overated. I mean, they cost so much money and supply and all that stuff...


You are actually correct though. Broodlord Infestor back in WoL was the most abusive style ever, and it relied largely upon free units (broodlings and infested Terrans).

Mass raven is one of the strongest lategame compositions, which relies on mass auto-turrets, point defense drones, and seeker missiles. Swarmhosts are also free unit generators.

Because the goal of the game is to reach an army composition where you can rely on free units, and because Protoss free units cannot attack (hallucinations), this is why we see so many Protoss all ins to stop Zerg and Terran from reaching the late game free units stage.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha



Interesting theorycrafting. But don't you think Protoss had so good results because Terran and Zerg free units can attack, wich make them more like real units, thus making them weaker ?


Well, I think the root of all the problems is the fact that Protoss doesn't have any free attacking units. Thus, if you make interceptors free (keeping the build time though), you would not only solve all the problems of balance, but also make Carriers viable. After all, why would you go for a two base blink when you could go for an oracle into 2 base carrier rush?


But we could see the emergence of proxy carrier in PvP. I guess we should make the carriers spawn a free unit instead of shooting to counter that ?


Well, I did a quick look, and I believe that Terrans are able to get ravens out before the carrier hits with all interceptors. In that case, it becomes a game of positioning, between the powerful auto turrets and the mobile interceptors. It would revolutionize the matchup for the better.

As for PvP, if you though stalker vs. stalker micro was intense, I believe carrier vs. carrier micro would take the matchup to the next level, both in skill cap and viewer enjoyment
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 21 2014 15:38 GMT
#72
Kind of surprised they revived Leenock. I think his ZvP is kind of weak compared to his other matchups and even though it would be PvP I think San would have the better chance at an all kill
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Belgica34432 Posts
April 21 2014 15:40 GMT
#73
Leenock instead of San? Did not expect
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Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 15:40 GMT
#74
Sending out Leenock is a mistake in my opinion. San has shown he can all-kill Axiom in the past. He is more likely to pull off a miracle than Leenock. Leenock may take a few games but I can't see him winning five.
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SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
April 21 2014 15:40 GMT
#75
On April 22 2014 00:37 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 00:33 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:30 Bagration wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:27 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:17 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
On April 22 2014 00:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Fake units best units



Yup, after those games I'm starting to think real units are overated. I mean, they cost so much money and supply and all that stuff...


You are actually correct though. Broodlord Infestor back in WoL was the most abusive style ever, and it relied largely upon free units (broodlings and infested Terrans).

Mass raven is one of the strongest lategame compositions, which relies on mass auto-turrets, point defense drones, and seeker missiles. Swarmhosts are also free unit generators.

Because the goal of the game is to reach an army composition where you can rely on free units, and because Protoss free units cannot attack (hallucinations), this is why we see so many Protoss all ins to stop Zerg and Terran from reaching the late game free units stage.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha



Interesting theorycrafting. But don't you think Protoss had so good results because Terran and Zerg free units can attack, wich make them more like real units, thus making them weaker ?


Well, I think the root of all the problems is the fact that Protoss doesn't have any free attacking units. Thus, if you make interceptors free (keeping the build time though), you would not only solve all the problems of balance, but also make Carriers viable. After all, why would you go for a two base blink when you could go for an oracle into 2 base carrier rush?


But we could see the emergence of proxy carrier in PvP. I guess we should make the carriers spawn a free unit instead of shooting to counter that ?


Well, I did a quick look, and I believe that Terrans are able to get ravens out before the carrier hits with all interceptors. In that case, it becomes a game of positioning, between the powerful auto turrets and the mobile interceptors. It would revolutionize the matchup for the better.

As for PvP, if you though stalker vs. stalker micro was intense, I believe carrier vs. carrier micro would take the matchup to the next level, both in skill cap and viewer enjoyment


Nice ! I suggest we reduce carrier speed by 50% then. That would make mistakes more punishing and both PvP and PvT would get more tense.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:49:46
April 21 2014 15:49 GMT
#76
I hate Swarm Hosts.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 15:51 GMT
#77
Leenock's creep spread is limiting the effectiveness of the locusts
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 21 2014 16:00 GMT
#78
Free units pretty good.
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SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
April 21 2014 16:05 GMT
#79
Well I guess something had to make Crank lose at some point ?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 16:05 GMT
#80
All kill denied by mass mutas and swarmhosts. Oh well, great work Crank!
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 16:05 GMT
#81
Crap. For a second there it looked close but swarm hosts are a bitch.
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
April 21 2014 16:05 GMT
#82
Yeah Leenock!
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 21 2014 16:07 GMT
#83
Reverse all-kill incoming?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 21 2014 16:07 GMT
#84
On April 22 2014 01:05 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Well I guess something had to make Crank lose at some point ?


It's hard to beat a team when their ace is David Kim.
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Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
April 21 2014 16:08 GMT
#85
On April 22 2014 01:05 Bagration wrote:
All kill denied by mass mutas and swarmhosts. Oh well, great work Crank!

how was that mass mutas? he never went full muta
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 21 2014 16:08 GMT
#86
On April 22 2014 01:08 Dwayn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:05 Bagration wrote:
All kill denied by mass mutas and swarmhosts. Oh well, great work Crank!

how was that mass mutas? he never went full muta

Tempests and swarm hosts made another boring unit necessary, the corruptor.
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
April 21 2014 16:09 GMT
#87
On April 22 2014 01:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:05 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Well I guess something had to make Crank lose at some point ?


It's hard to beat a team when their ace is David Kim.



Why don't you send in a Zerg then?
dark1882
Profile Joined October 2012
Ireland529 Posts
April 21 2014 16:10 GMT
#88
heart up next gogogo axiom
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 21 2014 16:10 GMT
#89
On April 22 2014 01:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:05 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Well I guess something had to make Crank lose at some point ?


It's hard to beat a team when their ace is David Kim.

D:
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SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
April 21 2014 16:10 GMT
#90
On April 22 2014 01:09 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 22 2014 01:05 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Well I guess something had to make Crank lose at some point ?


It's hard to beat a team when their ace is David Kim.



Why don't you send in a Zerg then?



It's hard to use SH in ZvZ.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 16:11 GMT
#91
Heart's TvZ is really strong so here's hoping he can see it out!
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 21 2014 16:12 GMT
#92
Leenock might be suffering a Heart attack soon
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 21 2014 16:12 GMT
#93
On April 22 2014 01:09 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 22 2014 01:05 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Well I guess something had to make Crank lose at some point ?


It's hard to beat a team when their ace is David Kim.



Why don't you send in a Zerg then?


Because we don't take coaching advice from LR threads.

Also I don't make those decisions
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 16:12 GMT
#94
On April 22 2014 01:10 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:09 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On April 22 2014 01:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 22 2014 01:05 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Well I guess something had to make Crank lose at some point ?


It's hard to beat a team when their ace is David Kim.



Why don't you send in a Zerg then?



It's hard to use SH in ZvZ.


If you forced a ZvZ Swarmhost+Infestor monobattle, it would be called League of Legends
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 16:13 GMT
#95
Swarm Hosts need to be deleted. Failing that they shouldn't automatically spawn locusts but rather you have to manually select it.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 21 2014 16:13 GMT
#96
On April 22 2014 01:13 Crot4le wrote:
Swarm Hosts need to be deleted. Failing that they shouldn't automatically spawn locusts but rather you have to manually select it.


Making the locusts slower would help a lot, force the SH user to move the SH around more and place them closer to the frontlines.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 21 2014 16:14 GMT
#97
Terran vs Leenock?

gonna be fun
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 21 2014 16:14 GMT
#98
On April 22 2014 01:12 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:09 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On April 22 2014 01:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 22 2014 01:05 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote:
Well I guess something had to make Crank lose at some point ?


It's hard to beat a team when their ace is David Kim.



Why don't you send in a Zerg then?


Because we don't take coaching advice from LR threads.

Also I don't make those decisions

So we can't expect ryung proxy tanks any time soon?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#99
On April 22 2014 01:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:13 Crot4le wrote:
Swarm Hosts need to be deleted. Failing that they shouldn't automatically spawn locusts but rather you have to manually select it.


Making the locusts slower would help a lot, force the SH user to move the SH around more and place them closer to the frontlines.

Revival showed that they can be used in potentially interesting games. Unfortunately no one else seems to play that style and the unit just ends up being shit.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 16:16 GMT
#100
It's a shame we don't see 2 port banshees much anymore
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 16:19 GMT
#101
Tanks are pretty good on Habitation Station
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 21 2014 16:20 GMT
#102
People should start getting 1 safety raven vs Leenock
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 16:22 GMT
#103
AXIOM! AXIOM! AXIOM!
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dark1882
Profile Joined October 2012
Ireland529 Posts
April 21 2014 16:23 GMT
#104
5-1 :D
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 16:23 GMT
#105
Heart did so well to win that after that burrowed bane hit. GG! What a win.
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Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
April 21 2014 16:23 GMT
#106
amazing that the all in still works after losing 20 marines.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 16:23 GMT
#107
Axiom <3
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 16:24 GMT
#108
Yeah, now Axiom just needs to keep on getting solid wins, but the fact that they have a positive map score with a 1-2 record is very good, since it will likely go down to tie breaks.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 16:25 GMT
#109
So what's the situation with iG and Mouz?
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 21 2014 16:32 GMT
#110
Damn good shit Axiom. Crank stepped up big time.
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 16:38 GMT
#111
I was hoping for a 5-3 or 5-4 win as a best case scenario. To win 5-1 over a team as strong as yoe Flash Wolves is a great achievement. Well done CranK and Heart. Good stuff.

Just gotta get revenge on mYinsanity tonight now. :D
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 16:46 GMT
#112
I tell you what guys looking at Axiom's next three games in the ATC (iG, coL-Dignitas and NewRoSoft) it's a great chance to go 4-2 overall and that will put Axiom right back up there. Realistically Axiom should be winning these games and it's important that they do so because it's tricky run after that aside from Empire-Fnatic.
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dark1882
Profile Joined October 2012
Ireland529 Posts
April 21 2014 16:54 GMT
#113
i agree the thing is 2 of axioms first matches were teams with very good momentum potential due to having 1 or 2 very strong players (forgg,jjakji) and they weren't able to shut those teams down early. Having been able to do so to one of the other "all-kill" potential teams is a great boost. (strongest teams in league are likely liquid, EG, yoe, acer, myi and axiom EGs not doing great though) millenium being a dark horse team for this and mous now sans dear is unlikely to do to well
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 21 2014 17:02 GMT
#114
On April 22 2014 01:54 dark1882 wrote:
i agree the thing is 2 of axioms first matches were teams with very good momentum potential due to having 1 or 2 very strong players (forgg,jjakji) and they weren't able to shut those teams down early. Having been able to do so to one of the other "all-kill" potential teams is a great boost. (strongest teams in league are likely liquid, EG, yoe, acer, myi and axiom EGs not doing great though) millenium being a dark horse team for this and mous now sans dear is unlikely to do to well


Axiom is going to need to hope for the top teams to cannibalize each other. Then again, last season teams were able to qualify for the Top 4 with map scores of 5-4, which is barely over 50%.

Season 1:
Top 2: 10-6 match score
Top 4: 10-6 match score

Season 2:
Top 2: 6-3 match score
Top 4: 5-4 match score

If history is any indication, and given that there are 11 matches each team plays, I'd guess top 4 might be sufficient with a 6-5 match score, or a 7-4 score to be safe. Thus, Axiom theoretically may have 2 or even 3 matches they could still lose, provided they maintain a high map score for tiebreaks.
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
April 21 2014 17:17 GMT
#115
On April 22 2014 02:02 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2014 01:54 dark1882 wrote:
i agree the thing is 2 of axioms first matches were teams with very good momentum potential due to having 1 or 2 very strong players (forgg,jjakji) and they weren't able to shut those teams down early. Having been able to do so to one of the other "all-kill" potential teams is a great boost. (strongest teams in league are likely liquid, EG, yoe, acer, myi and axiom EGs not doing great though) millenium being a dark horse team for this and mous now sans dear is unlikely to do to well


Axiom is going to need to hope for the top teams to cannibalize each other. Then again, last season teams were able to qualify for the Top 4 with map scores of 5-4, which is barely over 50%.

Season 1:
Top 2: 10-6 match score
Top 4: 10-6 match score

Season 2:
Top 2: 6-3 match score
Top 4: 5-4 match score

If history is any indication, and given that there are 11 matches each team plays, I'd guess top 4 might be sufficient with a 6-5 match score, or a 7-4 score to be safe. Thus, Axiom theoretically may have 2 or even 3 matches they could still lose, provided they maintain a high map score for tiebreaks.


The thing is though, I'm not sure how relevant that will be for this season as there are more teams.
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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
April 21 2014 21:51 GMT
#116
On April 22 2014 01:25 Bagration wrote:
So what's the situation with iG and Mouz?


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