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HighlyToxic
Profile Joined July 2011
France101 Posts
February 25 2014 10:18 GMT
#241
Hope for a Flash Stork match too !
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 25 2014 10:18 GMT
#242
On February 25 2014 19:17 Frex wrote:
Zest is still going to win GSL and become the next Seed.


Or Dear at this point :p
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2014 10:18 GMT
#243
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.


not take a 4th base and dont go muta against the immortal all in
Zerg for Life
Ravomat
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany422 Posts
February 25 2014 10:18 GMT
#244
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.

That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 25 2014 10:19 GMT
#245
On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin?


you mean the last time we saw a zerg hold of immo/sentry phoenix with mutas? Ive never seen it.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2014 10:19 GMT
#246
On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.

That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.


Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?
Zerg for Life
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
February 25 2014 10:19 GMT
#247
On February 25 2014 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.


not take a 4th base and dont go muta against the immortal all in

This. And scout a little bit sooner
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 25 2014 10:19 GMT
#248
On February 25 2014 19:16 tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin?


dunno, for some reason Korean Zergs can't do it anymore. In EU tourneys this never works. either it gets stopped early by speedling surrounds or crushed by mass burrowed roaches...

edit: obviously, Korean P could just be a lot better at that. especially denying the scouting with absulote air control


I think the maps also play a big role. Sentry-immortal is pretty map dependent in terms of getting a good position to force field and reinforce. And EU tourneys (at least the live ones) usually do vetoes. So it is likely most of the Zergs will veto maps that are good for immortal sentry.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7968 Posts
February 25 2014 10:20 GMT
#249
On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.

That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.


Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?


looks like nexus first into gateway double gas is the new standard for korean pvz, its crazy
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
February 25 2014 10:20 GMT
#250
On February 25 2014 19:19 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin?


you mean the last time we saw a zerg hold of immo/sentry phoenix with mutas? Ive never seen it.

Yeah, that muta choice was insanely weird. The only thing I can think of is that he was hoping to send them to his opponents mineral lines, idk.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 25 2014 10:20 GMT
#251
On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.

That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.


Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?


From the situation solar was in. Nothing.
But you don't have to play 3fast hatches, you can go 15h/16g/15p or something like that and then just mass speedlings. If Protoss doesn't build a wall, you should always win.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 25 2014 10:20 GMT
#252
On February 25 2014 19:19 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:16 tar wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin?


dunno, for some reason Korean Zergs can't do it anymore. In EU tourneys this never works. either it gets stopped early by speedling surrounds or crushed by mass burrowed roaches...

edit: obviously, Korean P could just be a lot better at that. especially denying the scouting with absulote air control


I think the maps also play a big role. Sentry-immortal is pretty map dependent in terms of getting a good position to force field and reinforce. And EU tourneys (at least the live ones) usually do vetoes. So it is likely most of the Zergs will veto maps that are good for immortal sentry.


Yeah, GSL not allowing vetos plays a big role in how games play out.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 10:21:23
February 25 2014 10:21 GMT
#253
On February 25 2014 19:17 Garnet wrote:
Why bother sending Zerg on Polar Night?


Wasn't it kinda unwinnable map for Protoss against Zerg after it was introduced to professional scene lol?
Time is changed.

Gogo Samsung, hwaiting tonight!
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 25 2014 10:21 GMT
#254
On February 25 2014 19:17 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:15 Ragnarork wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2014 19:14 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:05 KelsierSC wrote:
[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2

Match 2 - (Z)Solar < Polar Night LE > (P)Zest

00:00 - Solar Spawns Top, Zest Spawns Bottom

LETS DO IT!


01:00 - Ok just chilling,
stay ready though, Constant Vigilance!
Drone Scout from Solar

02:00 - Nexus first from Zest
Hatch first from Solar, Macro,Macro
Pool from Solar
Gateway from Zest

03:00 - Double gas from Zest
OL scout to the main
3rd Hatch from Solar
Cyber core walls off the main

04:00 - Zest does see the third of Solar
Both players continute to macro
Stargate starts for Zest, very fast even before WG
MSC about to finish for zest

05:00 - Warp gate starts
more drones from solar




06:00 - phoenix pops and immediately starts picking off Overlords
Lair begins
Forge and another gate from Zest
good OL harass from Zest and kills off quite a few

07:00 - Robo begins for zest
spores going down
a few drones picked off, nice control from zest
+1 attack started
Ling speed on the way

08:00 - Roach warren and Double evo chamber starts for solar
Spire goes down aswell
Immortal production and 6 gates being added on by zest!!!!!!!!
+1 range for solar
+1 attack finishing up for zest

09:00 - good harass from Zest with a good amount of drone kills
roach speed
Zest is moving out now with immortal and a bunch of sentries
4th base from Solar...
Huge army from Zest this looks brutal
counter from solar is fended off

10:00 - The protoss army is too massive and solar just sacrifices it straight away
mutas on the way
Spines being made...too late
Solar has fuck all
Zest just took great map control


11:00 - Solar taps out GG!

KAHN 1 - 1 KT


KT leads 2-0 :p


On February 25 2014 19:14 gedatsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:05 KelsierSC wrote:
[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2

Match 2 - (Z)Solar < Polar Night LE > (P)Zest

00:00 - Solar Spawns Top, Zest Spawns Bottom

LETS DO IT!


01:00 - Ok just chilling,
stay ready though, Constant Vigilance!
Drone Scout from Solar

02:00 - Nexus first from Zest
Hatch first from Solar, Macro,Macro
Pool from Solar
Gateway from Zest

03:00 - Double gas from Zest
OL scout to the main
3rd Hatch from Solar
Cyber core walls off the main

04:00 - Zest does see the third of Solar
Both players continute to macro
Stargate starts for Zest, very fast even before WG
MSC about to finish for zest

05:00 - Warp gate starts
more drones from solar




06:00 - phoenix pops and immediately starts picking off Overlords
Lair begins
Forge and another gate from Zest
good OL harass from Zest and kills off quite a few

07:00 - Robo begins for zest
spores going down
a few drones picked off, nice control from zest
+1 attack started
Ling speed on the way

08:00 - Roach warren and Double evo chamber starts for solar
Spire goes down aswell
Immortal production and 6 gates being added on by zest!!!!!!!!
+1 range for solar
+1 attack finishing up for zest

09:00 - good harass from Zest with a good amount of drone kills
roach speed
Zest is moving out now with immortal and a bunch of sentries
4th base from Solar...
Huge army from Zest this looks brutal
counter from solar is fended off

10:00 - The protoss army is too massive and solar just sacrifices it straight away
mutas on the way
Spines being made...too late
Solar has fuck all
Zest just took great map control


11:00 - Solar taps out GG!

KAHN 1 - 1 KT

0-2


On February 25 2014 19:15 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:05 KelsierSC wrote:
[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2

Match 2 - (Z)Solar < Polar Night LE > (P)Zest

00:00 - Solar Spawns Top, Zest Spawns Bottom

LETS DO IT!


01:00 - Ok just chilling,
stay ready though, Constant Vigilance!
Drone Scout from Solar

02:00 - Nexus first from Zest
Hatch first from Solar, Macro,Macro
Pool from Solar
Gateway from Zest

03:00 - Double gas from Zest
OL scout to the main
3rd Hatch from Solar
Cyber core walls off the main

04:00 - Zest does see the third of Solar
Both players continute to macro
Stargate starts for Zest, very fast even before WG
MSC about to finish for zest

05:00 - Warp gate starts
more drones from solar




06:00 - phoenix pops and immediately starts picking off Overlords
Lair begins
Forge and another gate from Zest
good OL harass from Zest and kills off quite a few

07:00 - Robo begins for zest
spores going down
a few drones picked off, nice control from zest
+1 attack started
Ling speed on the way

08:00 - Roach warren and Double evo chamber starts for solar
Spire goes down aswell
Immortal production and 6 gates being added on by zest!!!!!!!!
+1 range for solar
+1 attack finishing up for zest

09:00 - good harass from Zest with a good amount of drone kills
roach speed
Zest is moving out now with immortal and a bunch of sentries
4th base from Solar...
Huge army from Zest this looks brutal
counter from solar is fended off

10:00 - The protoss army is too massive and solar just sacrifices it straight away
mutas on the way
Spines being made...too late
Solar has fuck all
Zest just took great map control


11:00 - Solar taps out GG!

KAHN 0 - 2 KT



Fixed


On February 25 2014 19:15 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:05 KelsierSC wrote:
[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2

Match 2 - (Z)Solar < Polar Night LE > (P)Zest

00:00 - Solar Spawns Top, Zest Spawns Bottom

LETS DO IT!


01:00 - Ok just chilling,
stay ready though, Constant Vigilance!
Drone Scout from Solar

02:00 - Nexus first from Zest
Hatch first from Solar, Macro,Macro
Pool from Solar
Gateway from Zest

03:00 - Double gas from Zest
OL scout to the main
3rd Hatch from Solar
Cyber core walls off the main

04:00 - Zest does see the third of Solar
Both players continute to macro
Stargate starts for Zest, very fast even before WG
MSC about to finish for zest

05:00 - Warp gate starts
more drones from solar




06:00 - phoenix pops and immediately starts picking off Overlords
Lair begins
Forge and another gate from Zest
good OL harass from Zest and kills off quite a few

07:00 - Robo begins for zest
spores going down
a few drones picked off, nice control from zest
+1 attack started
Ling speed on the way

08:00 - Roach warren and Double evo chamber starts for solar
Spire goes down aswell
Immortal production and 6 gates being added on by zest!!!!!!!!
+1 range for solar
+1 attack finishing up for zest

09:00 - good harass from Zest with a good amount of drone kills
roach speed
Zest is moving out now with immortal and a bunch of sentries
4th base from Solar...
Huge army from Zest this looks brutal
counter from solar is fended off

10:00 - The protoss army is too massive and solar just sacrifices it straight away
mutas on the way
Spines being made...too late
Solar has fuck all
Zest just took great map control


11:00 - Solar taps out GG!

KAHN 1 - 1 KT


Wat ? Isn't it 2 - 0 for KT ?






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Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2379 Posts
February 25 2014 10:21 GMT
#255
On February 25 2014 19:20 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.

That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.


Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?


From the situation solar was in. Nothing.
But you don't have to play 3fast hatches, you can go 15h/16g/15p or something like that and then just mass speedlings. If Protoss doesn't build a wall, you should always win.

Well they do make a wall if you go gas before pool ~_~
Progamer一条咸鱼
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 25 2014 10:21 GMT
#256
[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2

Match 3 - (T)TurN < Yeonsu LE > (Z)Action

00:00 - Turn spawns Top Right, Action spawns Bottom Left
Zerg for Life
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 25 2014 10:22 GMT
#257
On February 25 2014 19:21 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:20 Big J wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.

That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.


Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?


From the situation solar was in. Nothing.
But you don't have to play 3fast hatches, you can go 15h/16g/15p or something like that and then just mass speedlings. If Protoss doesn't build a wall, you should always win.

Well they do make a wall if you go gas before pool ~_~


yeah, but then they do not go for that greedy fast stargate.
Ravomat
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany422 Posts
February 25 2014 10:22 GMT
#258
On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.

That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.


Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?

For one 4-6 zerglings force MSC before stargate. I believe solar scouted the robo so preparing accordingly seems like a good idea instead of just taking a 4th.
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
February 25 2014 10:22 GMT
#259
On February 25 2014 19:19 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:16 tar wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin?


dunno, for some reason Korean Zergs can't do it anymore. In EU tourneys this never works. either it gets stopped early by speedling surrounds or crushed by mass burrowed roaches...

edit: obviously, Korean P could just be a lot better at that. especially denying the scouting with absulote air control


I think the maps also play a big role. Sentry-immortal is pretty map dependent in terms of getting a good position to force field and reinforce. And EU tourneys (at least the live ones) usually do vetoes. So it is likely most of the Zergs will veto maps that are good for immortal sentry.



agreed.
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 25 2014 10:22 GMT
#260
On February 25 2014 19:20 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:
On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting


You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base.

I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.

That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.


Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?


From the situation solar was in. Nothing.
But you don't have to play 3fast hatches, you can go 15h/16g/15p or something like that and then just mass speedlings. If Protoss doesn't build a wall, you should always win.


Why would the protoss ever not build a wall in that situation?
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