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On February 25 2014 19:17 Frex wrote:
Zest is still going to win GSL and become the next Seed.
Or Dear at this point :p
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On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.
not take a 4th base and dont go muta against the immortal all in
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On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know.
That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.
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On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin?
you mean the last time we saw a zerg hold of immo/sentry phoenix with mutas? Ive never seen it.
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On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know. That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build.
Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?
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On February 25 2014 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know. not take a 4th base and dont go muta against the immortal all in
This. And scout a little bit sooner
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On February 25 2014 19:16 tar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin? dunno, for some reason Korean Zergs can't do it anymore. In EU tourneys this never works. either it gets stopped early by speedling surrounds or crushed by mass burrowed roaches... edit: obviously, Korean P could just be a lot better at that. especially denying the scouting with absulote air control
I think the maps also play a big role. Sentry-immortal is pretty map dependent in terms of getting a good position to force field and reinforce. And EU tourneys (at least the live ones) usually do vetoes. So it is likely most of the Zergs will veto maps that are good for immortal sentry.
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On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know. That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build. Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?
looks like nexus first into gateway double gas is the new standard for korean pvz, its crazy
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On February 25 2014 19:19 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin? you mean the last time we saw a zerg hold of immo/sentry phoenix with mutas? Ive never seen it.
Yeah, that muta choice was insanely weird. The only thing I can think of is that he was hoping to send them to his opponents mineral lines, idk.
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On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know. That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build. Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?
From the situation solar was in. Nothing.
But you don't have to play 3fast hatches, you can go 15h/16g/15p or something like that and then just mass speedlings. If Protoss doesn't build a wall, you should always win.
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On February 25 2014 19:19 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:16 tar wrote:On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin? dunno, for some reason Korean Zergs can't do it anymore. In EU tourneys this never works. either it gets stopped early by speedling surrounds or crushed by mass burrowed roaches... edit: obviously, Korean P could just be a lot better at that. especially denying the scouting with absulote air control I think the maps also play a big role. Sentry-immortal is pretty map dependent in terms of getting a good position to force field and reinforce. And EU tourneys (at least the live ones) usually do vetoes. So it is likely most of the Zergs will veto maps that are good for immortal sentry.
Yeah, GSL not allowing vetos plays a big role in how games play out.
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On February 25 2014 19:17 Garnet wrote:
Why bother sending Zerg on Polar Night?
Wasn't it kinda unwinnable map for Protoss against Zerg after it was introduced to professional scene lol?
Time is changed.
Gogo Samsung, hwaiting tonight!
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On February 25 2014 19:17 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:15 Ragnarork wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2014 19:14 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:13 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:09 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:05 KelsierSC wrote:[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2Match 2 -  Solar < Polar Night LE >  Zest00:00 - Solar Spawns Top, Zest Spawns Bottom LETS DO IT! 01:00 - Ok just chilling, stay ready though, Constant Vigilance! Drone Scout from Solar 02:00 - Nexus first from Zest Hatch first from Solar, Macro,Macro Pool from Solar Gateway from Zest 03:00 - Double gas from Zest OL scout to the main 3rd Hatch from Solar Cyber core walls off the main 04:00 - Zest does see the third of Solar Both players continute to macro Stargate starts for Zest, very fast even before WG MSC about to finish for zest 05:00 - Warp gate starts more drones from solar 06:00 - phoenix pops and immediately starts picking off Overlords Lair begins Forge and another gate from Zest good OL harass from Zest and kills off quite a few 07:00 - Robo begins for zest spores going down a few drones picked off, nice control from zest +1 attack started Ling speed on the way 08:00 - Roach warren and Double evo chamber starts for solar Spire goes down aswell Immortal production and 6 gates being added on by zest!!!!!!!! +1 range for solar +1 attack finishing up for zest 09:00 - good harass from Zest with a good amount of drone kills roach speed Zest is moving out now with immortal and a bunch of sentries 4th base from Solar... Huge army from Zest this looks brutal counter from solar is fended off 10:00 - The protoss army is too massive and solar just sacrifices it straight away mutas on the way Spines being made...too late Solar has fuck all Zest just took great map control 11:00 - Solar taps out GG! KAHN 1 - 1 KT KT leads 2-0 :p On February 25 2014 19:14 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:13 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:09 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:05 KelsierSC wrote:[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2Match 2 - Solar < Polar Night LE > Zest00:00 - Solar Spawns Top, Zest Spawns Bottom LETS DO IT! 01:00 - Ok just chilling, stay ready though, Constant Vigilance! Drone Scout from Solar 02:00 - Nexus first from Zest Hatch first from Solar, Macro,Macro Pool from Solar Gateway from Zest 03:00 - Double gas from Zest OL scout to the main 3rd Hatch from Solar Cyber core walls off the main 04:00 - Zest does see the third of Solar Both players continute to macro Stargate starts for Zest, very fast even before WG MSC about to finish for zest 05:00 - Warp gate starts more drones from solar 06:00 - phoenix pops and immediately starts picking off Overlords Lair begins Forge and another gate from Zest good OL harass from Zest and kills off quite a few 07:00 - Robo begins for zest spores going down a few drones picked off, nice control from zest +1 attack started Ling speed on the way 08:00 - Roach warren and Double evo chamber starts for solar Spire goes down aswell Immortal production and 6 gates being added on by zest!!!!!!!! +1 range for solar +1 attack finishing up for zest 09:00 - good harass from Zest with a good amount of drone kills roach speed Zest is moving out now with immortal and a bunch of sentries 4th base from Solar... Huge army from Zest this looks brutal counter from solar is fended off 10:00 - The protoss army is too massive and solar just sacrifices it straight away mutas on the way Spines being made...too late Solar has fuck all Zest just took great map control 11:00 - Solar taps out GG! KAHN 1 - 1 KT 0-2 On February 25 2014 19:15 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:13 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:09 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:05 KelsierSC wrote:[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2Match 2 - Solar < Polar Night LE > Zest00:00 - Solar Spawns Top, Zest Spawns Bottom LETS DO IT! 01:00 - Ok just chilling, stay ready though, Constant Vigilance! Drone Scout from Solar 02:00 - Nexus first from Zest Hatch first from Solar, Macro,Macro Pool from Solar Gateway from Zest 03:00 - Double gas from Zest OL scout to the main 3rd Hatch from Solar Cyber core walls off the main 04:00 - Zest does see the third of Solar Both players continute to macro Stargate starts for Zest, very fast even before WG MSC about to finish for zest 05:00 - Warp gate starts more drones from solar 06:00 - phoenix pops and immediately starts picking off Overlords Lair begins Forge and another gate from Zest good OL harass from Zest and kills off quite a few 07:00 - Robo begins for zest spores going down a few drones picked off, nice control from zest +1 attack started Ling speed on the way 08:00 - Roach warren and Double evo chamber starts for solar Spire goes down aswell Immortal production and 6 gates being added on by zest!!!!!!!! +1 range for solar +1 attack finishing up for zest 09:00 - good harass from Zest with a good amount of drone kills roach speed Zest is moving out now with immortal and a bunch of sentries 4th base from Solar... Huge army from Zest this looks brutal counter from solar is fended off 10:00 - The protoss army is too massive and solar just sacrifices it straight away mutas on the way Spines being made...too late Solar has fuck all Zest just took great map control 11:00 - Solar taps out GG! KAHN 0 - 2 KT Fixed On February 25 2014 19:15 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:13 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:09 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:05 KelsierSC wrote:[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2Match 2 - Solar < Polar Night LE > Zest00:00 - Solar Spawns Top, Zest Spawns Bottom LETS DO IT! 01:00 - Ok just chilling, stay ready though, Constant Vigilance! Drone Scout from Solar 02:00 - Nexus first from Zest Hatch first from Solar, Macro,Macro Pool from Solar Gateway from Zest 03:00 - Double gas from Zest OL scout to the main 3rd Hatch from Solar Cyber core walls off the main 04:00 - Zest does see the third of Solar Both players continute to macro Stargate starts for Zest, very fast even before WG MSC about to finish for zest 05:00 - Warp gate starts more drones from solar 06:00 - phoenix pops and immediately starts picking off Overlords Lair begins Forge and another gate from Zest good OL harass from Zest and kills off quite a few 07:00 - Robo begins for zest spores going down a few drones picked off, nice control from zest +1 attack started Ling speed on the way 08:00 - Roach warren and Double evo chamber starts for solar Spire goes down aswell Immortal production and 6 gates being added on by zest!!!!!!!! +1 range for solar +1 attack finishing up for zest 09:00 - good harass from Zest with a good amount of drone kills roach speed Zest is moving out now with immortal and a bunch of sentries 4th base from Solar... Huge army from Zest this looks brutal counter from solar is fended off 10:00 - The protoss army is too massive and solar just sacrifices it straight away mutas on the way Spines being made...too late Solar has fuck all Zest just took great map control 11:00 - Solar taps out GG! KAHN 1 - 1 KT Wat ? Isn't it 2 - 0 for KT ?  LR BRIGADE OF CORRECTNESS, ON DUTY ! Hahahah, KT Fans act FAST!
I'm not even a KT fan. I just love nitpicking. 
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On February 25 2014 19:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know. That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build. Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build? From the situation solar was in. Nothing. But you don't have to play 3fast hatches, you can go 15h/16g/15p or something like that and then just mass speedlings. If Protoss doesn't build a wall, you should always win.
Well they do make a wall if you go gas before pool ~_~
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[SPL] KHAN vs KT R2
Match 3 -  TurN < Yeonsu LE > Action
00:00 - Turn spawns Top Right, Action spawns Bottom Left
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On February 25 2014 19:21 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:20 Big J wrote:On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know. That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build. Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build? From the situation solar was in. Nothing. But you don't have to play 3fast hatches, you can go 15h/16g/15p or something like that and then just mass speedlings. If Protoss doesn't build a wall, you should always win. Well they do make a wall if you go gas before pool ~_~
yeah, but then they do not go for that greedy fast stargate. 
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On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know. That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build. Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build?
For one 4-6 zerglings force MSC before stargate. I believe solar scouted the robo so preparing accordingly seems like a good idea instead of just taking a 4th.
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On February 25 2014 19:19 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:16 tar wrote:On February 25 2014 19:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm happy for zest, but when was the last time we saw a zerg hold of the immo/sentry allin? dunno, for some reason Korean Zergs can't do it anymore. In EU tourneys this never works. either it gets stopped early by speedling surrounds or crushed by mass burrowed roaches... edit: obviously, Korean P could just be a lot better at that. especially denying the scouting with absulote air control I think the maps also play a big role. Sentry-immortal is pretty map dependent in terms of getting a good position to force field and reinforce. And EU tourneys (at least the live ones) usually do vetoes. So it is likely most of the Zergs will veto maps that are good for immortal sentry.
agreed.
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On February 25 2014 19:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 19:19 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2014 19:18 Ravomat wrote:On February 25 2014 19:16 Aelendis wrote:On February 25 2014 19:14 KelsierSC wrote:
The phoenix harass that game was so fucking strong, zest had no real map control or scouting You mean Solar. It's true; but the stargate was so damn fast and Solar built his spores so late and only one per base. I wonder what he should have done to win this game. If anyone knows; please let me know. That stargate was unbelievable greedy. Anyway, nice sniper build. Well what is a zerg going to do to punish you for that build? From the situation solar was in. Nothing. But you don't have to play 3fast hatches, you can go 15h/16g/15p or something like that and then just mass speedlings. If Protoss doesn't build a wall, you should always win.
Why would the protoss ever not build a wall in that situation?
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