On February 21 2014 19:00 random hero wrote:
Wow, you made it even worse. Thats an achievement´!
Wow, you made it even worse. Thats an achievement´!
Happy now??
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:00 random hero wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:58 DJHelium wrote: On February 21 2014 18:57 Kasaraki wrote: This goddamn music. x_x Wow, you made it even worse. Thats an achievement´! Happy now?? | ||
Die4Ever
United States17588 Posts
On February 21 2014 18:56 Dinotramp wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:55 Die4Ever wrote: On February 21 2014 18:52 Dinotramp wrote: On February 21 2014 18:51 Die4Ever wrote: On February 21 2014 18:49 Dinotramp wrote: On February 21 2014 18:49 Die4Ever wrote: you thought colossus and storm was good? try hallucinated colossus and storm I love your website man but that race pie chart is getting more and more depressing ![]() if Classic advances then it should bring protoss to about 55.5% I'm actually really surprised at how low Zerg is compared to Terran. Also, the foreigner graph gets lower and lower each day... zerg is low because korean terrans invaded WCS EU and WCS AM more so than korean zergs did Makes sense I suppose. Do you have any more plans for the website? I check it after every WCS to see how things have changed! Thanks! I sure do lol, just been busy with moving. This weekend I should be able to make some additions, I have many planned features, maybe I'll write about them in my thread. Also I'm hoping to add WCS seasons 2 and 3 soon, maybe in March. | ||
Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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IMPrime
United States715 Posts
On February 21 2014 18:57 Loccstana wrote: its obvious from these games that ghosts need some sort of buff. Either a cost reduction or dps increase. ghosts would be perfectly fine if blizzard didn't completely fuck up the time they nerfed the ghost, and we've seen how stubborn blizzard is when it comes to reverting bad changes (the ghost nerf should have been just snipe doing less damage to massive units, rather than just less damage to everything) | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On February 21 2014 18:59 stuchiu wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:58 Shellshock wrote: On February 21 2014 18:57 aZealot wrote: On February 21 2014 18:55 tar wrote: On February 21 2014 18:55 aZealot wrote: On February 21 2014 18:53 opterown wrote: On February 21 2014 18:52 dainbramage wrote: On February 21 2014 18:50 opterown wrote: On February 21 2014 18:50 Die4Ever wrote: On February 21 2014 18:49 opterown wrote: [quote] why not phoenix hallu colossus soaks more damage anyways yeah but costs more energy -> less FF Isn't halluc 100 energy for all units? oh i thought it cost more for bigger units No, it is the same for all units. But, IIRC, you get two zealots for the price of one Hallucination. All the rest are single units. you even get 4 probes! Thanks, I've never considered hallucinating probes! ![]() I've seen a few people do them as a manner mule type play I do this when I want to sneak a probe out onto the map and 4-6 slow lings are outside my door. I won a game vs a T with them to pretend I still had an economy so he would give up floating for the draw. | ||
aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On February 21 2014 18:58 opterown wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:58 Shellshock wrote: On February 21 2014 18:57 aZealot wrote: On February 21 2014 18:55 tar wrote: On February 21 2014 18:55 aZealot wrote: On February 21 2014 18:53 opterown wrote: On February 21 2014 18:52 dainbramage wrote: On February 21 2014 18:50 opterown wrote: On February 21 2014 18:50 Die4Ever wrote: On February 21 2014 18:49 opterown wrote: [quote] why not phoenix hallu colossus soaks more damage anyways yeah but costs more energy -> less FF Isn't halluc 100 energy for all units? oh i thought it cost more for bigger units No, it is the same for all units. But, IIRC, you get two zealots for the price of one Hallucination. All the rest are single units. you even get 4 probes! Thanks, I've never considered hallucinating probes! ![]() I've seen a few people do them as a manner mule type play and for absorbing mine shots Oh yeah, good call. I never considered that - just hallucinate Zealots instead (if I remember to). | ||
Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:00 Qwerty85 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote: On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote: Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary... What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on. There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic! Yeah imagine an all in build actually being risky and committal for the attacker. That would be so wrong.... didn't say that it is necessary for Protoss to play like that, so you are arguing against a strawman. I merely said that it would have a big impact on this game, since vthree said it wouldn't... | ||
ETisME
12276 Posts
On February 21 2014 18:58 vthree wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote: On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote: Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary... What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on. There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic! So basically it screws the blink all-in... But it doesn't affect the mid and late game... blink all in is always part of the game blink cooldown is huge for PvZ as well. you can do much more daring blinks, some toss do aggressive blinks in PvZ to pick off swarmhosts and relies on the CD to not lose every single stalkers. | ||
DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote: I missed the first set. Anyone got a quick sum up of what happened? Macro games? Blink All ins? Oracles? There are live reports! | ||
vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 21 2014 18:55 Scarecrow wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:51 TheOne26 wrote: On February 21 2014 18:49 Cokefreak wrote: On February 21 2014 18:47 vthree wrote: lol, archons shouldn't be able to get made like that... First time I hear someone complaining about this. its something i think is stupid as well. why should a templar be able to land 2 storms (or storm and feedback) AND then morph into an archon for free after running out of energy. its just too much utility for 1 unit. Is there a protoss unit/mechanic you guys don't whine about? Templars are slow, cost a shitload of gas and are T3, what do you expect? Classic has 70% PvT and outplayed Maru this series, deal with it. That is why they said about infestors...slow, cost a shitload of gas and T3... and T3 is kind of misleading. Protoss are basically all rushing HTs on 2 base now with the safety of MsC or pressure from blink builds. So HTs are actually more mid game units... The issue isn't 1 specific unit being strong. It is the progression from blink --> HT --> archon that just works too good. Again, Classic played well but so did Maru. | ||
Vindicare605
United States16032 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:02 DJHelium wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote: I missed the first set. Anyone got a quick sum up of what happened? Macro games? Blink All ins? Oracles? There are live reports! But I'm LAZY! Fine. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote: I missed the first set. Anyone got a quick sum up of what happened? Macro games? Blink All ins? Oracles? Classic made a twilight, Maru scouted it and prepared for blink. Classic instead went up to HT robo tech and Maru tried to 2 base harass him to death, but defense too good. Eventually after 20 storms were missed, Classic's econ advantage finally kicked in and he won. | ||
Dinotramp
Nauru2871 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:01 Die4Ever wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:56 Dinotramp wrote: On February 21 2014 18:55 Die4Ever wrote: On February 21 2014 18:52 Dinotramp wrote: On February 21 2014 18:51 Die4Ever wrote: On February 21 2014 18:49 Dinotramp wrote: On February 21 2014 18:49 Die4Ever wrote: you thought colossus and storm was good? try hallucinated colossus and storm I love your website man but that race pie chart is getting more and more depressing ![]() if Classic advances then it should bring protoss to about 55.5% I'm actually really surprised at how low Zerg is compared to Terran. Also, the foreigner graph gets lower and lower each day... zerg is low because korean terrans invaded WCS EU and WCS AM more so than korean zergs did Makes sense I suppose. Do you have any more plans for the website? I check it after every WCS to see how things have changed! Thanks! I sure do lol, just been busy with moving. This weekend I should be able to make some additions, I have many planned features, maybe I'll write about them in my thread. Also I'm hoping to add WCS seasons 2 and 3 soon, maybe in March. That's great! I hope you keep adding more and more features, it's such a great place to keep track of everything. | ||
Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On February 21 2014 18:59 Darkhorse wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:59 Ghanburighan wrote: On February 21 2014 18:53 Darkhorse wrote: Shit ![]() Hahahahahaa ...Explain yourself if you're just going to do that please. Or just don't do it. TvZ is by far Maru's worst MU and he's lost a lot in it recently. Granted, those games were mostly against Soulkey... | ||
Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:01 Big J wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 19:00 Qwerty85 wrote: On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote: On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote: Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary... What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on. There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic! Yeah imagine an all in build actually being risky and committal for the attacker. That would be so wrong.... didn't say that it is necessary for Protoss to play like that, so you are arguing against a strawman. I merely said that it would have a big impact on this game, since vthree said it wouldn't... Well the whole point of the proposed balance changes is to make an impact on blink play. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote: I missed the first set. Anyone got a quick sum up of what happened? Macro games? Blink All ins? Oracles? First game Classic teched hard to storm on and a robo on two bases and then took a third way ahead of Maru. Maru multitasked and dropped like a champ, but eventually Classic's army was just better from better eco and good defense. Game 2 was a blink start on Heavy Rain. Maru held but threw away some units in the center of the map. Classic eventually rolled over him with immortal/chargelot/archon/storm. | ||
gTank
Austria2542 Posts
Isn't the definition of all in to do something with high risk, high reward option? | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Imo TvP problems all revolve around the Mothership Core and I think once they figure that unit out TvP will return to a good place. | ||
Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:00 Qwerty85 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote: On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote: Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary... What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on. There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic! Yeah imagine an all in build actually being risky and committal for the attacker. That would be so wrong.... Come on now, be serious. Blink Stalker all-in wouldn't exist with Blink having 15 seconds CD. He would lost all of his Stalkers when he blinked it, and that would be game. I am not defending all-ins, I also hate them, but nerfing blink would nerf Stalkers a lot, and they are only good because of it. They are pretty bad units for their cost, and mobility is their only strength. | ||
torav
Italy23 Posts
On February 21 2014 19:00 Qwerty85 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote: On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote: Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary... What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on. There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic! Yeah imagine an all in build actually being risky and committal for the attacker. That would be so wrong.... problem is, blink is fine as it is IF NOT FOR ALL-INS. Blink all ins should be nerfed, not the blink ability tout court | ||
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