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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#621
On February 21 2014 19:00 random hero wrote:
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On February 21 2014 18:58 DJHelium wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:57 Kasaraki wrote:
This goddamn music. x_x





Wow, you made it even worse. Thats an achievement´!




Happy now??
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
February 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#622
On February 21 2014 18:56 Dinotramp wrote:
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On February 21 2014 18:55 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:52 Dinotramp wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:51 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:49 Dinotramp wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:49 Die4Ever wrote:
you thought colossus and storm was good? try hallucinated colossus and storm


I love your website man but that race pie chart is getting more and more depressing


if Classic advances then it should bring protoss to about 55.5%


I'm actually really surprised at how low Zerg is compared to Terran. Also, the foreigner graph gets lower and lower each day...

zerg is low because korean terrans invaded WCS EU and WCS AM more so than korean zergs did


Makes sense I suppose. Do you have any more plans for the website? I check it after every WCS to see how things have changed!

Thanks! I sure do lol, just been busy with moving. This weekend I should be able to make some additions, I have many planned features, maybe I'll write about them in my thread. Also I'm hoping to add WCS seasons 2 and 3 soon, maybe in March.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 10:02:08
February 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#623
don't you be hatin' on the music. You do realize that someone actually had to make it. Be hatin' on who made it
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
IMPrime
Profile Joined September 2011
United States715 Posts
February 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#624
On February 21 2014 18:57 Loccstana wrote:
its obvious from these games that ghosts need some sort of buff. Either a cost reduction or dps increase.

ghosts would be perfectly fine if blizzard didn't completely fuck up the time they nerfed the ghost, and we've seen how stubborn blizzard is when it comes to reverting bad changes
(the ghost nerf should have been just snipe doing less damage to massive units, rather than just less damage to everything)
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 10:02:32
February 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#625
On February 21 2014 18:59 stuchiu wrote:
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On February 21 2014 18:58 Shellshock wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:57 aZealot wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:55 tar wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:55 aZealot wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:53 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:52 dainbramage wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:50 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:50 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:49 opterown wrote:
[quote]
why not phoenix

hallu colossus soaks more damage anyways

yeah but costs more energy -> less FF

Isn't halluc 100 energy for all units?

oh i thought it cost more for bigger units


No, it is the same for all units. But, IIRC, you get two zealots for the price of one Hallucination. All the rest are single units.

you even get 4 probes!


Thanks, I've never considered hallucinating probes!

I've seen a few people do them as a manner mule type play


I do this when I want to sneak a probe out onto the map and 4-6 slow lings are outside my door.

I won a game vs a T with them to pretend I still had an economy so he would give up floating for the draw.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
February 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#626
On February 21 2014 18:58 opterown wrote:
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On February 21 2014 18:58 Shellshock wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:57 aZealot wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:55 tar wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:55 aZealot wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:53 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:52 dainbramage wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:50 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:50 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:49 opterown wrote:
[quote]
why not phoenix

hallu colossus soaks more damage anyways

yeah but costs more energy -> less FF

Isn't halluc 100 energy for all units?

oh i thought it cost more for bigger units


No, it is the same for all units. But, IIRC, you get two zealots for the price of one Hallucination. All the rest are single units.

you even get 4 probes!


Thanks, I've never considered hallucinating probes!

I've seen a few people do them as a manner mule type play

and for absorbing mine shots


Oh yeah, good call. I never considered that - just hallucinate Zealots instead (if I remember to).
KT best KT ~ 2014
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#627
On February 21 2014 19:00 Qwerty85 wrote:
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On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote:
Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary...


What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on.
There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic!


Yeah imagine an all in build actually being risky and committal for the attacker.
That would be so wrong....


didn't say that it is necessary for Protoss to play like that, so you are arguing against a strawman. I merely said that it would have a big impact on this game, since vthree said it wouldn't...
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12904 Posts
February 21 2014 10:01 GMT
#628
On February 21 2014 18:58 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote:
Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary...


What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on.
There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic!


So basically it screws the blink all-in... But it doesn't affect the mid and late game...

blink all in is always part of the game
blink cooldown is huge for PvZ as well.
you can do much more daring blinks, some toss do aggressive blinks in PvZ to pick off swarmhosts and relies on the CD to not lose every single stalkers.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#629
On February 21 2014 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote:
I missed the first set. Anyone got a quick sum up of what happened? Macro games? Blink All ins? Oracles?


There are live reports!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#630
On February 21 2014 18:55 Scarecrow wrote:
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On February 21 2014 18:51 TheOne26 wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:49 Cokefreak wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:47 vthree wrote:
lol, archons shouldn't be able to get made like that...

First time I hear someone complaining about this.

its something i think is stupid as well. why should a templar be able to land 2 storms (or storm and feedback) AND then morph into an archon for free after running out of energy. its just too much utility for 1 unit.

Is there a protoss unit/mechanic you guys don't whine about? Templars are slow, cost a shitload of gas and are T3, what do you expect?

Classic has 70% PvT and outplayed Maru this series, deal with it.


That is why they said about infestors...slow, cost a shitload of gas and T3... and T3 is kind of misleading. Protoss are basically all rushing HTs on 2 base now with the safety of MsC or pressure from blink builds. So HTs are actually more mid game units...

The issue isn't 1 specific unit being strong. It is the progression from blink --> HT --> archon that just works too good. Again, Classic played well but so did Maru.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16127 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#631
On February 21 2014 19:02 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote:
I missed the first set. Anyone got a quick sum up of what happened? Macro games? Blink All ins? Oracles?


There are live reports!


But I'm LAZY! Fine.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#632
On February 21 2014 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote:
I missed the first set. Anyone got a quick sum up of what happened? Macro games? Blink All ins? Oracles?


Classic made a twilight, Maru scouted it and prepared for blink. Classic instead went up to HT robo tech and Maru tried to 2 base harass him to death, but defense too good. Eventually after 20 storms were missed, Classic's econ advantage finally kicked in and he won.
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Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#633
On February 21 2014 19:01 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 18:56 Dinotramp wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:55 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:52 Dinotramp wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:51 Die4Ever wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:49 Dinotramp wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:49 Die4Ever wrote:
you thought colossus and storm was good? try hallucinated colossus and storm


I love your website man but that race pie chart is getting more and more depressing


if Classic advances then it should bring protoss to about 55.5%


I'm actually really surprised at how low Zerg is compared to Terran. Also, the foreigner graph gets lower and lower each day...

zerg is low because korean terrans invaded WCS EU and WCS AM more so than korean zergs did


Makes sense I suppose. Do you have any more plans for the website? I check it after every WCS to see how things have changed!

Thanks! I sure do lol, just been busy with moving. This weekend I should be able to make some additions, I have many planned features, maybe I'll write about them in my thread. Also I'm hoping to add WCS seasons 2 and 3 soon, maybe in March.


That's great! I hope you keep adding more and more features, it's such a great place to keep track of everything.
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#634
On February 21 2014 18:59 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 18:59 Ghanburighan wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:53 Darkhorse wrote:
Shit but Classic is really good. Hopefully Maru does well in TvZ


Hahahahahaa

...Explain yourself if you're just going to do that please. Or just don't do it.


TvZ is by far Maru's worst MU and he's lost a lot in it recently. Granted, those games were mostly against Soulkey...
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#635
On February 21 2014 19:01 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 19:00 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote:
Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary...


What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on.
There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic!


Yeah imagine an all in build actually being risky and committal for the attacker.
That would be so wrong....


didn't say that it is necessary for Protoss to play like that, so you are arguing against a strawman. I merely said that it would have a big impact on this game, since vthree said it wouldn't...


Well the whole point of the proposed balance changes is to make an impact on blink play.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#636
On February 21 2014 19:01 Vindicare605 wrote:
I missed the first set. Anyone got a quick sum up of what happened? Macro games? Blink All ins? Oracles?

First game Classic teched hard to storm on and a robo on two bases and then took a third way ahead of Maru. Maru multitasked and dropped like a champ, but eventually Classic's army was just better from better eco and good defense.

Game 2 was a blink start on Heavy Rain. Maru held but threw away some units in the center of the map. Classic eventually rolled over him with immortal/chargelot/archon/storm.
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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2669 Posts
February 21 2014 10:02 GMT
#637
I wonder why it is called Blink all in if there is basically no risk doing it, not doing that much damage and transitioning into a strong midgame?
Isn't the definition of all in to do something with high risk, high reward option?
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 21 2014 10:03 GMT
#638
I really think it is hard to look at the ghost as the issue when it occurs so late into the game.

Imo TvP problems all revolve around the Mothership Core and I think once they figure that unit out TvP will return to a good place.
Zerg for Life
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 21 2014 10:03 GMT
#639
On February 21 2014 19:00 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote:
Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary...


What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on.
There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic!


Yeah imagine an all in build actually being risky and committal for the attacker.
That would be so wrong....

Come on now, be serious. Blink Stalker all-in wouldn't exist with Blink having 15 seconds CD. He would lost all of his Stalkers when he blinked it, and that would be game. I am not defending all-ins, I also hate them, but nerfing blink would nerf Stalkers a lot, and they are only good because of it. They are pretty bad units for their cost, and mobility is their only strength.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
torav
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy23 Posts
February 21 2014 10:03 GMT
#640
On February 21 2014 19:00 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 18:56 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2014 18:53 vthree wrote:
Serious, so many protoss are afraid of the blink cool down nerf. But nothing in that game made the blink cool down necessary...


What? everytime he was inside Marus base he was waiting for the cooldown to finish and lost units in the progress. When he was chasing the units in the middle, he was waiting for it to finish so he could blink forward first, and backwards later on.
There were so many situations in that game where +5seconds on blink might have been desastrous for classic!


Yeah imagine an all in build actually being risky and committal for the attacker.
That would be so wrong....


problem is, blink is fine as it is IF NOT FOR ALL-INS. Blink all ins should be nerfed, not the blink ability tout court
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