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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 23 2014 12:39 GMT
#641
Stats looking like a grandfather
Yhamm is the god of predictions
polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
February 23 2014 12:40 GMT
#642
Finally the "little break" is over..
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
February 23 2014 12:41 GMT
#643
On February 23 2014 21:33 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:31 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:27 Zealously wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:26 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:23 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:19 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:16 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:07 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:03 esdf wrote:
[quote]
let's leave race imbalance out of this, top players always overcome those issues.

also his wins were vs not so impressive opponents like drg, sniper or emotion.

That's untrue.

No, it's really not. Only thing that's untrue is your claims that Flash is still a top player.

First, I claimed nothing. Second, lol @ this assertion because... Flash lost a bo1 against Maru?

I think the assertion is´nt really based on the bo1 against Maru, but rather on the fact, that he droped to Code B and has´nt made the ro8 in any tournament for 10 months now.

It's not like he's only the Code S level Terran who dropped to Code B. For individual leagues/tournaments, it's true he doesn't perform as well as in Proleague, and it's a real pity.

No, surely not. But would you call Gumiho or SuNo top players? I would´nt. They are incredibly good, but they aren´t on the really top level of Maru,Soulkey or PartinG.


People always underestimate Supernova.

I try not to. But seriously, do you see SuNo as a top-5 contender for the Code-S championship? I´d say, it would´nt surprise me in the slightest, if he makes the quarterfinals, but after that he would be the underdog against most people.


I guess everyone has different definition of top. Some is Top 5, for some, it is top 20, some will be Code S level.

For me "top" would mean of not being the clear underdog against anyone in the world. If you are a PartinG fan for example and he plays against Flash, Gumiho or SuNo, you are probably relaxed, although there is a chance he loses. If he plays Soulkey, Maru or Dear, you are probably really concearned, even if you still believe in him to win. That would make Dear,Maru or Soulkey top players IMHO. Ofc. that is subjective as well and has it´s exceptions (MMA was a top player in 2011, although he was´nt favored against any protoss at times), but that is the general idea I conjuct with the word top.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 23 2014 12:41 GMT
#644
Wow Zealously banned someone from this thread
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FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
February 23 2014 12:41 GMT
#645
While the girls were waving on stream the commentators were saying that they will be there for the whole season, so people were suggesting giving them fan nicknames, such as unit names. The other commentator was like "for example, Drone" and the girl starts looking pissed...

One guy in chat suggested 군단 시대 (Swarm Generation)
Don't hate the player, hate the game
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
February 23 2014 12:42 GMT
#646
On February 23 2014 21:39 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:38 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:28 Zealously wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:26 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:19 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:16 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:07 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:03 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 20:59 Rollora wrote:
[quote]
one of the top 3 although at this moment playing a race with clear disadvantages and though still having a better W/L ratio compared to others with the race that overall has the best win ratio atm? Hmmm not sure u are'nt trolling...
Btw after losing the medivac the game just snowballed, so he isn't any worse than maru, he could also easily have taken the game if that didnt happen

let's leave race imbalance out of this, top players always overcome those issues.

also his wins were vs not so impressive opponents like drg, sniper or emotion.

That's untrue.

No, it's really not. Only thing that's untrue is your claims that Flash is still a top player.

First, I claimed nothing. Second, lol @ this assertion because... Flash lost a bo1 against Maru?

I think the assertion is´nt really based on the bo1 against Maru, but rather on the fact, that he droped to Code B and has´nt made the ro8 in any tournament for 10 months now.

that + his PL performance ain't really that impressive when you see who he racked up those 6 wins against. half of his PL wins these season were against mediocre opponents at best (sniper) and flat out bad players (emotion and drg). hell, he even lost vs sora. he's unable to win a tvp against anyone that isn't flat out bad.


I was wondering if you have a clue about SC2. Thanks for confirming that you don't.

I haven't said anything wrong, maybe I exaggerated by calling DRG flat out bad, but he's way past his days when he used to be a force in sc2. He's nowhere near his wol level, and imo nowadays he's just bad with a few flashes of old briliance.

Did you even watch that Flash vs DRG game?

Yeah, I did. That's what I call a few flashes of old brilliance. That's also the thing fantasy had in R1 PL when he widowmined flash's bc's. Those players won't gain more skill the harder you fanboy, it doesn't work like that.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 23 2014 12:43 GMT
#647
On February 23 2014 21:41 Shellshock wrote:
Wow Zealously banned someone from this thread

But it's by request so it doesn't really count
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 23 2014 12:44 GMT
#648
On February 23 2014 21:43 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:41 Shellshock wrote:
Wow Zealously banned someone from this thread

But it's by request so it doesn't really count

Still mod abuse, BURN DOWN HIS FAMILY
Glorious SEA doto
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 23 2014 12:44 GMT
#649
On February 23 2014 21:42 esdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:39 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:38 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:28 Zealously wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:26 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:19 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:16 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:07 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:03 esdf wrote:
[quote]
let's leave race imbalance out of this, top players always overcome those issues.

also his wins were vs not so impressive opponents like drg, sniper or emotion.

That's untrue.

No, it's really not. Only thing that's untrue is your claims that Flash is still a top player.

First, I claimed nothing. Second, lol @ this assertion because... Flash lost a bo1 against Maru?

I think the assertion is´nt really based on the bo1 against Maru, but rather on the fact, that he droped to Code B and has´nt made the ro8 in any tournament for 10 months now.

that + his PL performance ain't really that impressive when you see who he racked up those 6 wins against. half of his PL wins these season were against mediocre opponents at best (sniper) and flat out bad players (emotion and drg). hell, he even lost vs sora. he's unable to win a tvp against anyone that isn't flat out bad.


I was wondering if you have a clue about SC2. Thanks for confirming that you don't.

I haven't said anything wrong, maybe I exaggerated by calling DRG flat out bad, but he's way past his days when he used to be a force in sc2. He's nowhere near his wol level, and imo nowadays he's just bad with a few flashes of old briliance.

Did you even watch that Flash vs DRG game?

Yeah, I did. That's what I call a few flashes of old brilliance. That's also the thing fantasy had in R1 PL when he widowmined flash's bc's. Those players won't gain more skill the harder you fanboy, it doesn't work like that.

Do you think you look cleverer with your passive agressive sentences?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19302 Posts
February 23 2014 12:44 GMT
#650
The bisudagger curse is alive. My fpl team players always slump.
KT Sucks

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0 (T)Salvation
1 (Z)Shine
8 (T)TY(Baby)
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6 [tlpd#teams##sc2-hots]KT Rolster[/tlpd]

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3 (P)Trend
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
February 23 2014 12:45 GMT
#651
On February 23 2014 21:44 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:43 Lorning wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:41 Shellshock wrote:
Wow Zealously banned someone from this thread

But it's by request so it doesn't really count

Still mod abuse, BURN DOWN HIS FAMILY

Well, that escalated quickly. I would just try to get the family dog
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 23 2014 12:45 GMT
#652
On February 23 2014 21:44 BisuDagger wrote:
The bisudagger curse is alive. My fpl team players always slump.
KT Sucks

Main Team
0 (P)Barbie
9 (T)Flash (captain)
0 (T)Salvation
1 (Z)Shine
8 (T)TY(Baby)
6 (P)Zest
6 [tlpd#teams##sc2-hots]KT Rolster[/tlpd]

Anti Team
3 (P)eMotion
7 (Z)Solar
3 (P)Trend

Barbie's interviewing career is in jeopardy now
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
February 23 2014 12:46 GMT
#653
On February 23 2014 21:42 esdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:39 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:38 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:28 Zealously wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:26 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:19 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:16 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:07 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:03 esdf wrote:
[quote]
let's leave race imbalance out of this, top players always overcome those issues.

also his wins were vs not so impressive opponents like drg, sniper or emotion.

That's untrue.

No, it's really not. Only thing that's untrue is your claims that Flash is still a top player.

First, I claimed nothing. Second, lol @ this assertion because... Flash lost a bo1 against Maru?

I think the assertion is´nt really based on the bo1 against Maru, but rather on the fact, that he droped to Code B and has´nt made the ro8 in any tournament for 10 months now.

that + his PL performance ain't really that impressive when you see who he racked up those 6 wins against. half of his PL wins these season were against mediocre opponents at best (sniper) and flat out bad players (emotion and drg). hell, he even lost vs sora. he's unable to win a tvp against anyone that isn't flat out bad.


I was wondering if you have a clue about SC2. Thanks for confirming that you don't.

I haven't said anything wrong, maybe I exaggerated by calling DRG flat out bad, but he's way past his days when he used to be a force in sc2. He's nowhere near his wol level, and imo nowadays he's just bad with a few flashes of old briliance.

Did you even watch that Flash vs DRG game?

Yeah, I did. That's what I call a few flashes of old brilliance. That's also the thing fantasy had in R1 PL when he widowmined flash's bc's. Those players won't gain more skill the harder you fanboy, it doesn't work like that.

So if DRG had flashes of old brilliance, that would mean, he was brialliant once, which would mean, he was talented, which is equivalent with saying he is talented (since talent is time-invariant), which would mean he is not flat out bad, right?
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
February 23 2014 12:47 GMT
#654
Wtf ? they just started the game ?
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
February 23 2014 12:47 GMT
#655
On February 23 2014 21:46 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:42 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:39 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:38 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:28 Zealously wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:26 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:19 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:16 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:07 TheDwf wrote:
[quote]
That's untrue.

No, it's really not. Only thing that's untrue is your claims that Flash is still a top player.

First, I claimed nothing. Second, lol @ this assertion because... Flash lost a bo1 against Maru?

I think the assertion is´nt really based on the bo1 against Maru, but rather on the fact, that he droped to Code B and has´nt made the ro8 in any tournament for 10 months now.

that + his PL performance ain't really that impressive when you see who he racked up those 6 wins against. half of his PL wins these season were against mediocre opponents at best (sniper) and flat out bad players (emotion and drg). hell, he even lost vs sora. he's unable to win a tvp against anyone that isn't flat out bad.


I was wondering if you have a clue about SC2. Thanks for confirming that you don't.

I haven't said anything wrong, maybe I exaggerated by calling DRG flat out bad, but he's way past his days when he used to be a force in sc2. He's nowhere near his wol level, and imo nowadays he's just bad with a few flashes of old briliance.

Did you even watch that Flash vs DRG game?

Yeah, I did. That's what I call a few flashes of old brilliance. That's also the thing fantasy had in R1 PL when he widowmined flash's bc's. Those players won't gain more skill the harder you fanboy, it doesn't work like that.

So if DRG had flashes of old brilliance, that would mean, he was brialliant once, which would mean, he was talented, which is equivalent with saying he is talented (since talent is time-invariant), which would mean he is not flat out bad, right?

I never claimed he was always bad, he was a great player during wol, but in hots he's just one of the players.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 23 2014 12:47 GMT
#656
On February 23 2014 21:45 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:44 BisuDagger wrote:
The bisudagger curse is alive. My fpl team players always slump.
KT Sucks

Main Team
0 (P)Barbie
9 (T)Flash (captain)
0 (T)Salvation
1 (Z)Shine
8 (T)TY(Baby)
6 (P)Zest
6 [tlpd#teams##sc2-hots]KT Rolster[/tlpd]

Anti Team
3 (P)eMotion
7 (Z)Solar
3 (P)Trend

Barbie's interviewing career is in jeopardy now

Poor salvation.
Glorious SEA doto
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
February 23 2014 12:48 GMT
#657
Double robo colossus o_O
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 23 2014 12:49 GMT
#658
On February 23 2014 21:46 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:42 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:39 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:38 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:28 Zealously wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:26 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:19 TheDwf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:16 esdf wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:07 TheDwf wrote:
[quote]
That's untrue.

No, it's really not. Only thing that's untrue is your claims that Flash is still a top player.

First, I claimed nothing. Second, lol @ this assertion because... Flash lost a bo1 against Maru?

I think the assertion is´nt really based on the bo1 against Maru, but rather on the fact, that he droped to Code B and has´nt made the ro8 in any tournament for 10 months now.

that + his PL performance ain't really that impressive when you see who he racked up those 6 wins against. half of his PL wins these season were against mediocre opponents at best (sniper) and flat out bad players (emotion and drg). hell, he even lost vs sora. he's unable to win a tvp against anyone that isn't flat out bad.


I was wondering if you have a clue about SC2. Thanks for confirming that you don't.

I haven't said anything wrong, maybe I exaggerated by calling DRG flat out bad, but he's way past his days when he used to be a force in sc2. He's nowhere near his wol level, and imo nowadays he's just bad with a few flashes of old briliance.

Did you even watch that Flash vs DRG game?

Yeah, I did. That's what I call a few flashes of old brilliance. That's also the thing fantasy had in R1 PL when he widowmined flash's bc's. Those players won't gain more skill the harder you fanboy, it doesn't work like that.

So if DRG had flashes of old brilliance, that would mean, he was brialliant once, which would mean, he was talented, which is equivalent with saying he is talented (since talent is time-invariant), which would mean he is not flat out bad, right?

The funny part is how he says Flash's win against DRG is essentially irrelevant because he's supposedly "bad" yet acknowledges DRG played very well this game. How are we supposed to extract any sense from this?
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 23 2014 12:49 GMT
#659
I'm losing passion by the minute. This break hurt me a lot.

Cmon, Stats. fight!~
The Bomber boy
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
February 23 2014 12:50 GMT
#660
Holy shit Rogue is playing a perfect game.
I love crazymoving
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