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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany162 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 20:53:28
February 19 2014 16:41 GMT
#1
Only a few weeks after the Warer.com Invitational organized by the French player [image loading] Yoan 'ToD' Merlo, XMG and [image loading] ToD will hit you with something very special - the XMG Balance Test Showmatches Series.


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Format and Balance Test Mod


For the three showmatches we invited 3 Protoss players and 3 Zerg players to fight against.

This means we will have three

[image loading] vs. [image loading]

matches in a Best-of-3 mode each.


All matches played using the new "Balance Test Mod" expansion! This means every game is going to be played under the following race balance changes (Battle.net Thread).

    For Protoss:

  • Mothership Core
    • Vision radius decreased from 14 to 9.

  • Stalker
    • Blink cooldown increased from 10 to 15.

  • Tempest
    • Damage increased from 30 to 30 + 30 to structures.


    For Terran:

  • Widow Mine
    • Splash damage now deals 40 + 40 shield damage.

    For Zerg:

  • Hydralisk
    • Delay between attacks decreased from .83 to .75.



For all of you interested in the new changes, there is the possibility to participate in the tests and post feedback in the Battle.net Thread. [image loading] ToD and [image loading] RotterdaM will continuously refer to the feedback written down during the broadcast.




Players - Matches - Cash


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[EG]Stephano vs. [image loading][image loading][Grubby]Grubby

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Map 1: Yeonsu LE

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Stephano is spawning in the bottom left.
[image loading] Grubby spawns top right

2:30 - [image loading] Grubby is going for a Gateway while
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Stephano goes for Hatchery first.

4:15 -
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Stephano starts Zergling speed while [image loading] Grubby's Nexus is halfway done.

6: 45 -
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Stephano is taking his third Hatchery.

7:35 - [image loading] Grubby warps in a few Zealots and manages to kill
[image loading]
Stephano's third Hatchery.

9:00 - With a counter attack of
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Stephano, he canceled the third of [image loading] Grubby and then managed to kill him.

Result:
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Stephano 1-0 [image loading] Grubby


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Map 2: Heavy Rain

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Stephano spawns in the south of the map.
[image loading] Grubby has his base in the top north.

2:30 - [image loading] Grubby is going for a Gateway again, while
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Stephano takes his Hatchery first again like in game 1.

3:50 - The Nexus is going to warped in for [image loading] Grubby.
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Stephano starts his Zergling speed.

5:20 - The Nexus completes for [image loading] Grubby. At the same time he starts his Twilight Council.

6:20 - [image loading] Grubby is going for the Dark Shrine and
[image loading]
Stephano manages to sneak in a few Zerglings and sees the Dark Shrine.

7:45 - After his DT Shrine was spoted, [image loading] Grubby canceled it, goes for Blink and more Gateways.

8: 45 - [image loading] Grubby goes for a Gateway attack, but
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Stephano holds against [image loading] Grubby's Stalkers and Zealots.

10:30 -
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Stephano starts building Zerglings and Hydras only. At the same time [image loading] Grubby was able to kill
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Stephano's third.

12:00 - [image loading] Grubby broke the front line of
[image loading]
Stephano and killed some Drones of him. With that,
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Stephano managed to hold.

13:30 - The game slows down a bit, while [image loading] Grubby was chased back. At the same time he goes for a Robo -
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Stephano techs to Infestors.

15:10 - [image loading] Grubby takes his third and starts building his first Colossus. [image loading] Grubby is behind in upgrades with 1 attack for
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Stephano.

17:00 -
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Stephano attacks into the third of [image loading] Grubby with Infestors and Hydras. With good Force Fields [image loading] Grubby managed to hold.

18:45 -
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Stephano is going for Corruptors, while [image loading] Grubby is producing Colossi out of two Robos. He meanwhile takes his fourth and pokes a bit.

20:30 - [image loading] Grubby positioning himself at the third of
[image loading]
Stephano. With all his Colossi [image loading] Grubby is killing all the army of the Zerg player.

Result:
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Stephano 1-1 [image loading] Grubby


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Map 3: Polar Night

[image loading]
Stephano is spawning in the south.
[image loading] Grubby spawns in the top

2:30 - [image loading] Grubby and
[image loading]
Stephano are opening the same way as before - Gateway and Hatchery first.

4:30 - [image loading] Grubby goes for his Nexus and a Stargate a bit after that.
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Stephano is still on two bases with Zergling speed and going for Roach Warren.

6:45
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Stephano takes his third base, while [image loading] Grubby kills a few Drones and Overlords.

9:00 - The third Nexus is getting warped in for [image loading] Grubby. Meanwhile
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Stephano starts building Hydralisks.

11:00 -
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Stephano attacks into the third of [image loading] Grubby after killing his Mothership Core.

12:00 - [image loading] Grubby was able to hold the attack and goes for the same style as in the previous game - double Colossi.

13:30 -
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Stephano managed to break the wallin of [image loading] Grubby and kill a some Probes and a Robo.

15:00 - [image loading] Grubby goes for a attack again for Immortals, Colossi, Phoenix, Zealots and Stalkers and kills the third of
[image loading]
Stephano.

17:30 - In the front of the natural of the Zerg player stands [image loading] Grubby. With great Force Fields he separates the Zerg army and ends the game. Both talking a bit about balance - also joking around.

Result:
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Stephano 1-2 [image loading] Grubby


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[TL]Snute vs. [image loading][image loading][ROOT]Minigun

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Map 1: Frost LE

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Snute spawns in the top left of Frost LE, [image loading]Minigun spawns in the top right.

2:15 - [image loading] Minigun forces
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Snute to go for Pool first, after scouting him in the first position.

4:20 - The third is taken by
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Snute.

6:15 - The Protoss player goes for the Stargate, while
[image loading]
Snute is droning uncontested.

7:40 - [image loading] Minigun is warping in his third. At the same time he kills a few Drones with his Oracle.
[image loading]
Snute is teching to Swarm Hosts.

9:00 - [image loading] Minigun is building Void Rays, he's getting +1 attack for ground and air.

11:00 - [image loading] Minigun is going for double Robo for Colossi, while
[image loading]
Snute is teching to Hive.

13:00 - With a bunch of Swarm Hosts,
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Snute is attacking the third of the Protoss player. He is in front of the third with 10 Queens, Creep, Spore Crawlers and the Sworm Hosts.

15:00 - Vipers are coming in for
[image loading]
Snute. With Abducts he is killing all the Colossi from [image loading] Minigun. The Protoss player has a Mothership to protect his third. At the same time he tries to defend his hidden base, which just gone up.

17:20 - With just 1.300 compared to 10.100 minerals lost from
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Snute, [image loading] Minigun is forced to tab out.

Result:
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Snute 1-0 [image loading] Minigun


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Map 2: Polar Night

[image loading]
Snute is spawning in the north of Polar night. [image loading] Minigun founds himself in the south of the map.

3:00 - [image loading] Minigun is going for a very quick Nexus before Core.
[image loading]
Snute went for a quick third Hatchery.

7:30 - [image loading] Minigun starts producing Phoenixes, while the Zerg goes for the Hydralisk Dent.

9:00 - After only producing four Phoenixes, [image loading] Minigun is going for a Robo to get some Colossus. At the same time he's getting his third. Hydras on the way for
[image loading]
Snute.

12:00 - With a lot of Hydras,
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Snute pushes into the third of [image loading] Minigun. After pulling all the Probes, the Protoss player managed to hold.

13:50 -
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Snute teching to Infestors and producing more Hydras. With a good flank,
[image loading]
Snute killed the third of [image loading] Minigun while taking a base for himself.

15:45 -
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Snute is now getting Swarm Hosts and techs to Hive. [image loading] Minigun builds more Colossi and gets his third up again.

19:30 -
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Snute is covering the whole map with Creep. Swarm Hosts making their way to the third of [image loading] Minigun.

21:15 - [image loading] Minigun takes his next base in the base of Polar Night. Abducts pulling the Mothership into Queens and Spore Crawlers.

23:00 - [image loading] Minigun warping in Zealots and DT's in the main base of
[image loading]
Snute to harass.

25:15 - [image loading] Minigun is defending his third base at the moment.

26:45 - Great Fungals by
[image loading]
Snute gives him the tool to kill almost the whole army of [image loading] Minigun. After that, he has gg and F10+n out.

Result:
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Snute 2-0 [image loading] Minigun


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[Vega]FireCake vs. [image loading][image loading]MaNa

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Map 1: Heavy Rain LE

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FireCaKe spawns in the top of the map. [image loading] MaNa spawns in the south.

2:30 -
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FireCaKe goes for a Pool first opening, while the Protoss player takes his Gateway.

4:30 - [image loading] MaNa is warping a Nexus and goes for a Stargate.

6:00 -
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FireCaKe grapes his third base. [image loading] MaNa is producing Phoenixes, he also warps in a Forge.

8:00 - With +1 attacks halfway done for [image loading] MaNa, he goes for a Robo. The Zerg player droning at the same time.

9:30 - [image loading] MaNa takes his second expansion. He also builds two Robobays for Colossi.
[image loading]
FireCaKe is making the energy upgrade for Infestors.

12:20 - [image loading] MaNa walks out to cancel the fourth of
[image loading]
FireCaKe. Also
[image loading]
FireCaKe starts producing Swarm Hosts.

14:00 - [image loading] MaNa takes his fourth base, while attacking the fourth of
[image loading]
FireCaKe - he kills it.

16:00 - More Swarm Hosts for
[image loading]
FireCaKe. [image loading] MaNa gets Void Rays, +1 attack for air, +3 for ground and Charge.

18:00 - The Zerg player
[image loading]
FireCaKe brings out his first Vipers. [image loading] MaNa kills the fourth of
[image loading]
FireCaKe with a run by.

20:00 - The fifth is almost up for [image loading] MaNa. Both are preparing for a long game. First Tempets are produced.

22:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe spending his money by building Spore Crawlers.

24:30 - Both are taking the middle bases of Heavy Rain LE.

31:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe and [image loading] MaNa are poking a bit, where the Protoss gets the better trades with the Tempest range and the Revelation from the Oracles.

33:00 - [image loading] MaNa has a 15.500 / 7.000 bank,
[image loading]
FireCaKe only 5.500 / 3.000.

36:45 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe goes in and abducts a good amount of [image loading] MaNa's army to kill it. Both trading pretty much 50:50.

40:00 - Both engaging and trading again 50:50.

43:00 - Another engagement where [image loading] MaNa loses his Mothership. [image loading] MaNa remaxing with 5 Tempest at a time again.

47:00 - [image loading] MaNa has 36 Tempests.

48:15 - [image loading] MaNa keeps on denying the middle base for
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

50:15 - [image loading] MaNa goes around and kills the top right Hatchery of
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

52:30 - The middle base is getting killed by [image loading] MaNa again, after another fight, where both players lost about 40 supply.

56:30 - The main fight happens. Both loosing about 80 supply - not engaging fully. [image loading] MaNa finally taking the middle base now.

58:00 - [image loading] MaNa killing the Hatchery from
[image loading]
FireCaKe again. The Zerg player is left with now money and has to gg out.

Result:
[image loading]
FireCaKe 0-1 [image loading] MaNa


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Map 2: Yeonsu LE

[image loading] MaNa spawning in the bottom left of Yeonsu.
[image loading]
FireCaKe finds himself in the top right.

2:15 - Both players are opening pretty safe - Gateway and Pool first.

4:00 - [image loading] MaNa takes his natural expansion, while the Zerg takes his expansion too.

5:30 - Stargate going up for [image loading] MaNa.

7:00 - Third base building for
[image loading]
FireCaKe. At the same time, [image loading] MaNa is flying over with an Oracle.

8:30 - [image loading] MaNa tries to take his third but gets denied by Zerglings. He adds 2 more Gateways and +1 attack for ground.
[image loading]
FireCaKe goes for the Infestation Pit.

10:00 - The third is getting warped in for [image loading] MaNa, he also starts producing an Colossi. The first Swarm Hosts are coming out for
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

13:45 - Hive is on the way for
[image loading]
FireCaKe and more Swarm Hosts as well. [image loading] MaNa gets more Colossi, Void Rays and upgrades.

16:00 - First Vipers are entering the field for
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

18:15 - Fleet Beacon is going up for [image loading] MaNa - two more Stargates too. He also gets two more Nexi.
[image loading]
FireCaKe is getting his fifth and sixth Hatchery denies by Zealots.

22:30 - [image loading] MaNa is going for the same strategy as in the first game. He adds more Stargates and starts producing Tempests.

26:00 - [image loading] MaNa sending 5 of his Colossi into the base of
[image loading]
FireCaKe to free up supply. [image loading] MaNa is building more Tempests.

33:20 - Both of the players are building up an endgame army and upgrades.

36:00 - [image loading] MaNa 9.000 / 4.000 bank, 13.000 / 12.000 for
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

44:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe is killing [image loading] MaNa slowly by abducting units into his Spore Crawlers.

52:00 - The Engagement happens - [image loading] MaNa loses all of his Tempests and the game as well.

Result:
[image loading]
FireCaKe 1-1 [image loading] MaNa


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Map 3: Habitation Station LE

[image loading]
FireCaKe starts in the left top right position. [image loading] MaNa spawns in the top right.

2: 30 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe goes for a Hatch first, while [image loading] MaNa starts with a Gateway and double gas.

3:45 -
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FireCaKe already building his second Hatchery.

5:30 - The Nexus and the Stargate finishes for [image loading] MaNa.

9:00 - The next base is getting warped in for [image loading] MaNa. Also his Robo finishes.

11:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe gets his fourth base up at the gold mineral patches, while he tries to make something happen with Hydras and Zerglings at [image loading] MaNa's third.

14:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe managed to kill the Mothership core and trap
[image loading]
FireCaKe's army at the gold base. He loses all his army, but kills the gold base of the Zerg.

18:00 - [image loading] MaNa tries to take his fourth base in the south, but gets denied by
[image loading]
FireCaKe, while he takes his fifth in the south left of the map.

19:30 - [image loading] MaNa goes for a push and kills the gold base of
[image loading]
FireCaKe again. At the same time,
[image loading]
FireCaKe takes the fourth and third out from the Team Liquid Protoss player.

24:00 - 3 3 finishing for
[image loading]
FireCaKe. He starts producing Ultralisks. [image loading] MaNa pokes again and kills the gold base of
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

26:45 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe is freeing up supply (Roaches).

27:45 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe morphs in 9 Brood Lords. [image loading] MaNa is still building Immortals.

29:30 - Big fight is happening at the third base of [image loading] MaNa. Both losing quite a lot of their army.

31:15 - Another fight happening with the re-enforcement. [image loading] MaNa gets the better end of it and is up 60 supply.

34:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe ggs out of the game.

Result: [image loading] MaNa 2-1
[image loading]
FireCaKe


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Poll: Who will win Stephano vs. Grubby?

Stephano (190)
 
52%

Grubby (175)
 
48%

365 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Stephano vs. Grubby?

(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Grubby



Poll: Snute or Minigun, who will win?

Snute (161)
 
62%

Minigun (97)
 
38%

258 total votes

Your vote: Snute or Minigun, who will win?

(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Minigun



Poll: Winner of FireCake vs. MaNa?

FireCake (80)
 
25%

MaNa (240)
 
75%

320 total votes

Your vote: Winner of FireCake vs. MaNa?

(Vote): FireCake
(Vote): MaNa



To give all of the player a little bit more of an incentive, the winner of every showmatch gets $100.





Date


The XMG Balance Test Showmatches Series will we played out live next Sunday, February 23rd.
The games will start at 17:00 GMT (+00:00)
.






Streams


To bring you 100% of the action live, we will have five different streams - one in English, French, Polish, Russian and German. The English stream is bought to you by the casting duo [image loading] Kevin 'RotterdaM' van der Kooi and [image loading] Yoan 'ToD' Merlo (ToDterdaM).
The French stream is going to be casted by the guys from MilleniumTV. And the Polish stream will be commentated by Zedd. The Russian stream will be casted by Pomi.


[image loading] RotterdaM08

[image loading] MilleniumTV

[image loading] Zedd

[image loading] TaKeTV

[image loading] Pomi





Social Media


To support us, please follow the players and casters on Twitter and tweet at them. Thank you!

ToD: @XMGToD

RotterdaM: @RotterdaM08

Millenium: @M_Millenium

Zedd: @ZeddSC

TaKe: @TaKeSeN

Stephano: @EG_Stephano

Grubby: @followgrubby

Snute: @LiquidSnute

Minigun: @ROOT_Minigun

MaNa: @Liquid_MaNa





Sponsor and Support


Last but not least we would like to thank our sponsor XMG for providing the prize money for the showmatches. Please make sure to check them out on XMG.GG. You should also make sure to follow them on Twitter @XMG_Notebooks and Facebook XMG.

Also a big thanks to Ryan Schutter for making the graphics. Please check him out on Twitter @rtschutter.

Thread and Social Media by @TrAiDoS.

🎮 Gaming & Esports Performance Researcher | ✖️ https://x.com/TrAiDoS | 🌍 https://www.christian-staedter.com/ | 🕹️ Esports Freelancer - Admin 👨‍🏫 University Lecturer
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 19 2014 16:42 GMT
#2
FireCake vs MaNa! XD

Fantastic. Looking forward to it.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
February 19 2014 16:43 GMT
#3
but whos gonna build widow mines :o
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
February 19 2014 16:47 GMT
#4
Hm, a TvP would have been nice great initiative though
InFluenza
Profile Joined January 2014
Netherlands55 Posts
February 19 2014 16:51 GMT
#5
Yeah, Grubby vs Stephano!

Stephano has been owning it up again on the EU-ladder, and I'm excited to see the results against my fav protoss!
Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 19 2014 16:52 GMT
#6
ToD and Rotti casting? Must-see.
kiss kiss fall in love
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
February 19 2014 16:58 GMT
#7
About time! Great idea.
mouzChase
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany66 Posts
February 19 2014 17:02 GMT
#8
Whats the matter with this ?! The patch is way more important for TvP than for PvZ and you only show PvZ ?! I dont get it. The idea overall is really great and i like it, but the matches are not suiting to the purpose of the patch.
My opinion here does not reflect the views of my team / twitter @mouzChase / I <3 Scarlett
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1085 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-19 17:02:53
February 19 2014 17:02 GMT
#9
XMG and tod doing some great stuff
could have casted with maddelisk though, she is a good caster and plays zerg
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-19 17:08:42
February 19 2014 17:07 GMT
#10
Great idea! I've come to the conclusion that the published test map is not worth very much.

It is a pity that no Terrans appear to be present though. It would have been good to see the WM change in effect.
KT best KT ~ 2014
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
February 19 2014 17:09 GMT
#11
Firecake vs Mana Oh god...

Why 3 PvZs? TvP is affected the most by the changes.
All I do is Stim.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 19 2014 17:10 GMT
#12
hmmm not sure if this showmatch makes sense, if the changes are primarly made to help terran deal with toss and here's no terran lol
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
February 19 2014 17:10 GMT
#13
On February 20 2014 02:02 mouzChase wrote:
Whats the matter with this ?! The patch is way more important for TvP than for PvZ and you only show PvZ ?! I dont get it. The idea overall is really great and i like it, but the matches are not suiting to the purpose of the patch.


Yeah seems a little weird to have only PvZs for a PvT balance test map.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-19 17:13:26
February 19 2014 17:13 GMT
#14
Really? Nobody else expects hydras to be significantly stronger mid-game ZvP? :/
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
February 19 2014 17:20 GMT
#15
The P changes will affect all P match-ups. MSC vision nerf will affect early game scouting in all MU, and particularly early game map movement in PvZ. The Hydra change is quite significant - as a P I am a little afraid of that change (I'd prefer a straight HP buff) even if I like the idea of a stronger Hydra in SC2. The Tempest change, again, applies to all MU.

I don't think this patch is TvP specific at all. At least not in their effect (even if MSC and Blink changes are in intention).
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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
February 19 2014 17:42 GMT
#16
On February 20 2014 02:02 mouzChase wrote:
Whats the matter with this ?! The patch is way more important for TvP than for PvZ and you only show PvZ ?! I dont get it. The idea overall is really great and i like it, but the matches are not suiting to the purpose of the patch.


with these Zerg players invited I guess this is supposed to show how terrible swarmhosts are from a design-standpoint more than anything balance related.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 19 2014 17:44 GMT
#17
On February 20 2014 02:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Really? Nobody else expects hydras to be significantly stronger mid-game ZvP? :/


They invited the 3 zergs that are least likely to make hydras...
GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
February 19 2014 17:48 GMT
#18
Hope there is one played with PvT aswell!
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3271 Posts
February 19 2014 17:53 GMT
#19
This cashing in on balance whining is seriously going too far.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12043 Posts
February 19 2014 17:57 GMT
#20
The problem with doing PvT is that you would want the protoss to do blink all-ins, since that's kind of the point of doing it on the balance test map, but if the patch works well, the best strategy would be not to do it.

I guess you would need to invite someone like chubZ who does it almost every single PvT^^
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PengWin_SC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Switzerland433 Posts
February 19 2014 18:07 GMT
#21
Firecake vs MaNa?

Please God, no.
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absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
February 19 2014 18:07 GMT
#22
Love the idea. Hope you do this every time there's a test patch.
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Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
February 19 2014 18:17 GMT
#23
Lol 2/3 protoss changes and the terran change are specifically for TvP, why the hell aren't any terrans playing
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Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
February 19 2014 18:20 GMT
#24
On February 20 2014 02:53 pmp10 wrote:
This cashing in on balance whining is seriously going too far.


What if you're not going far enough?! o_O_o
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Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
February 19 2014 18:23 GMT
#25
This actually made me LOL. I love the concept. Will swarm hosts prevail?? Go Protoss!
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-19 18:26:08
February 19 2014 18:25 GMT
#26
On February 20 2014 02:44 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 02:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Really? Nobody else expects hydras to be significantly stronger mid-game ZvP? :/


They invited the 3 zergs that are least likely to make hydras...


You don't know that.

Snute only plays the Swarm Host style because he feels it's the surest way to victory, he has admitted so himself and there is no shame in that, if Hydras do turn out to be a little too strong vs Protoss early on, I think he'd adapt and use that instead. (and again, there is no shame in playing to win)
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 19 2014 18:28 GMT
#27
Brilliant idea, this is a must watch .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
EpicDemente
Profile Joined November 2012
Chile202 Posts
February 19 2014 18:35 GMT
#28
mana vs firecake guys DIS GUNNA BE GUT
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GoOdy
Profile Joined October 2003
Germany44 Posts
February 19 2014 18:38 GMT
#29
we need tefel to test the hydras ;P
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
February 19 2014 18:41 GMT
#30
So what will come first, the Firecake versus Mana series concluding, or a new patch with these changes being released?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 19 2014 18:43 GMT
#31
These three matches will take approximately 3 weeks 4 days and 17 hours.
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cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
February 19 2014 18:47 GMT
#32
Thank you so much for doing this! This will definitely make blizzard balance team really happy!
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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
February 19 2014 18:52 GMT
#33
Oh god why would you do a firecake vs mana again...
Are you masochist rotti ?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24390 Posts
February 19 2014 18:56 GMT
#34
Good to see this kind of effort to actually playtest (and show) high level players testing this out, like the idea a lot
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joopajoo
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland67 Posts
February 19 2014 21:27 GMT
#35
Where are all the terrans??
Snake.69
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada140 Posts
February 19 2014 21:39 GMT
#36
The zerg players are gonna have to make 2 x the amount of spores they usually make. Much change.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
February 19 2014 21:40 GMT
#37
No terrans is so stupid. Great idea though.
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Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
February 19 2014 22:15 GMT
#38
I'd love to watch this! Should be interesting
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3672 Posts
February 19 2014 22:22 GMT
#39
So you invite Stephano to boost viewers, then you also redo mana vs firecake to boost even more viewers and then you don't include a terran (just take forgg he already did some mine bio vs P before this was announced) to boost viewers even more? I think the invites speak two different languages, besides the fact that I would have picked 3 completely different zergs to show new hydras. Meh but cool to see that some progamers (and maybe one retired one) will be able to make some money.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
February 19 2014 22:33 GMT
#40
Fun idea!
Aiomon
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada39 Posts
February 20 2014 02:16 GMT
#41
3 of the worst turtly zergs. pls no
TrAiDoS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany162 Posts
February 20 2014 06:30 GMT
#42
[Update] TaKe is going to cast as well (German). :-)
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-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
February 20 2014 06:42 GMT
#43
Well this is one way to get SH nerfed quicker
AnonymousSC2
Profile Joined January 2014
United States189 Posts
February 20 2014 07:07 GMT
#44
"With NO Terran" should be in the title.

Seriously though, why is there no terran? Every other tournament has no terran, and in this showmatch its all zerg and protoss.

Definately won't be watching. HF P and Z, you're having too much lately xD
Baadbeat
Profile Joined June 2011
France203 Posts
February 20 2014 07:36 GMT
#45
Could these 3 games take an entire day? Between a Firecake Mana rematch and the swarmhost lovers that are Stephano and Snute, they could make a record for 3 BO3 casted! Could this be an appeal to Blizzard in order to change the ZvP meta?
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12329 Posts
February 20 2014 07:50 GMT
#46
why no terran if we want to see balance changes @@
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Snake.69
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada140 Posts
February 20 2014 08:03 GMT
#47
You guys dont realize that this is a showmatch to hopefully show blizzard how shitty of a matchup zvp is.
PrivateGG
Profile Joined January 2014
France8 Posts
February 20 2014 09:28 GMT
#48
Mana vs Firecake :D ; and Stephano playing against Toss : 3 hours long show matches incoming.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44064 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 10:04:45
February 20 2014 10:04 GMT
#49
On February 20 2014 16:07 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
"With NO Terran" should be in the title.

Seriously though, why is there no terran? Every other tournament has no terran, and in this showmatch its all zerg and protoss.

Definately won't be watching. HF P and Z, you're having too much lately xD

the latest test map was supposed to be addressed majorly to tvp .. and yeah not watching this too .. i personally am not a big fan of TvT but nowadays i am craving for one. Lol
this is a quote
hfsrj
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany166 Posts
February 20 2014 10:25 GMT
#50
Good Idea, but no TvP is silly.
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Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 20 2014 11:00 GMT
#51
There are so many changes to the TvP MU, with the WM change especially tailored to the TvP MU, and yet the showmatch includes no terrans... I just do not understand it. And I cannot imagine them not realizing this problem themselves, yet there's no mention of their reasoning.
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ToD
Profile Joined December 2008
France222 Posts
February 20 2014 11:28 GMT
#52
I see some people ( mostly only Terrans) are raising concerns regarding why the 3 matchups do not include any T. I'll explain that in the broadcast on Sunday.
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absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
February 20 2014 12:49 GMT
#53
On February 20 2014 20:28 ToD wrote:
I see some people ( mostly only Terrans) are raising concerns regarding why the 3 matchups do not include any T. I'll explain that in the broadcast on Sunday.


I'm guessing you could have another day of different matchups, with each dedicated to a certain one for more in depth analysis ? That's my guess.
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Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
February 20 2014 12:52 GMT
#54
They probably couldn't get any Terrans to compete for sunday or maybe they are doing a 2 part special with just TvP for the 2nd half OR they don't want to play with fire (Yet they have firecake ) and don't want to cause any contreversy.
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
February 20 2014 13:50 GMT
#55
On February 20 2014 16:07 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
"With NO Terran" should be in the title.

Seriously though, why is there no terran? Every other tournament has no terran, and in this showmatch its all zerg and protoss.

Definately won't be watching. HF P and Z, you're having too much lately xD


Pretty sure the idea is to see PvZ match ups.
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MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
February 20 2014 14:21 GMT
#56
On February 20 2014 22:50 GohgamX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 16:07 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
"With NO Terran" should be in the title.

Seriously though, why is there no terran? Every other tournament has no terran, and in this showmatch its all zerg and protoss.

Definately won't be watching. HF P and Z, you're having too much lately xD


Pretty sure the idea is to see PvZ match ups.


Pretty sure the idea is to see 3h swarm host games :D
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 20 2014 16:06 GMT
#57
Most changes are targeted for TvP so it would only make sense if we had at least one TvP matchup...
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 20 2014 16:11 GMT
#58
You'd think 3 pages isn't a whole lot to read before making a post, especially when most posts are fairly short...
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 20 2014 16:21 GMT
#59
So basically this is ToDs way of saying "nerf SHs"?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12043 Posts
February 20 2014 16:39 GMT
#60
Also remember the blink cooldown change isn't supposed to make it into next patch if we believe the balance test post, so the test map isn't what TvP will look like either.
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 20 2014 16:52 GMT
#61
On February 21 2014 01:39 Nebuchad wrote:
Also remember the blink cooldown change isn't supposed to make it into next patch if we believe the balance test post, so the test map isn't what TvP will look like either.

Its still a much more likely and relevant change than any theoretical SH nerf.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
February 20 2014 16:58 GMT
#62
Cool idea i guess. Lets bring out the SHs!
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OldLadyStarCraft
Profile Joined November 2013
United States66 Posts
February 20 2014 17:08 GMT
#63
Thanks XMG and ToD! Anything new & creative to keep the StarCraft 2 scene fresh is laudable. I was sad at first to see no Terran (so strange to say that as I originally hated Terran and now I enjoy watching them a great deal) but I bet ToD has a plan for more.
And what's the deal with Stephano? Studying pre-med not as fun as playing StarCraft? I'll definitely be watching - more fun than many of the other things I should be doing.
TrAiDoS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany162 Posts
February 23 2014 13:11 GMT
#64
[Update] There will be a Russian stream too, casted by Pomi. :-)
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
February 23 2014 14:12 GMT
#65
Firecake and Mana. Oh man.
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TrAiDoS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany162 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 16:22:56
February 23 2014 16:08 GMT
#66
[Update] There will be a LR (in the spoiler under every match on the front post). Hope this helps some of you guys. :-)

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waitwhat
Profile Joined February 2011
United States152 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 16:45:47
February 23 2014 16:45 GMT
#67
I really hope this is some sort of oversight. You're literally about to hold a balance test TOURNAMENT in an era in which Terran is suffering immensely, yet you're excluding them entirely. How in the world does this make ANY sense?
kawin159
Profile Joined December 2013
Thailand60 Posts
February 23 2014 17:04 GMT
#68
Disappoint with no-terran decision ,but anyway,I can watch TvP on minigun v dayshi
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HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 19:22:40
February 23 2014 19:22 GMT
#69
I think this is the clear type of game (Mana v Firecake) Blizz was trying to avoid with the new balance patch, I think it does show the Tempest change, while looking useful, still allows these kinds of games to happen, which imo is just not my thing.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
February 23 2014 19:23 GMT
#70
Game 1.....
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 23 2014 19:29 GMT
#71
On February 24 2014 04:22 HeavenResign wrote:
I think this is the clear type of game (Mana v Firecake) Blizz was trying to avoid with the new balance patch, I think it does show the Tempest change, while looking useful, still allows these kinds of games to happen, which imo is just not my thing.


The Zerg is losing with their turtle style. If massing one unit works so well, then Swarmhosts will fall out of the meta. They aren't the problem in any case, Static D of the Zerg is.
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 19:34:01
February 23 2014 19:33 GMT
#72
On February 24 2014 04:29 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 04:22 HeavenResign wrote:
I think this is the clear type of game (Mana v Firecake) Blizz was trying to avoid with the new balance patch, I think it does show the Tempest change, while looking useful, still allows these kinds of games to happen, which imo is just not my thing.


The Zerg is losing with their turtle style. If massing one unit works so well, then Swarmhosts will fall out of the meta. They aren't the problem in any case, Static D of the Zerg is.


Yeah, you're correct - if this ends up in a 3 - 0 and turtle sh games in general go that way, the style will fall out. Was just feeling a little frustrated watching but that's what this tourney is for haha
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 23 2014 19:35 GMT
#73
swarmhosts are fine, mana won a game against firecake, everything's fine now
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
February 23 2014 19:39 GMT
#74
Lol, first Wings of Broodlord Infestor. Second, Heart of the Swarm Host. Hey, Blizzard free units is a bad idea.

My only question is why haven't they given Carriers free units.

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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
February 23 2014 20:09 GMT
#75
This match is awful.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 23 2014 20:11 GMT
#76
are mana and firecake trying to prove a point to david kim?
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
February 23 2014 20:14 GMT
#77
I wonder what tempests owuld be like if they didn't overshoot so damn MUCH
SooYoung-Noona!
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
February 23 2014 20:18 GMT
#78
Balance test failed.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 23 2014 20:19 GMT
#79
Really enjoying this series!
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nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
February 23 2014 20:19 GMT
#80
Thank school I know German, TakeTV's casts are the best, so much better than those hopeless English. Special cheers to the production guys!
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 23 2014 20:21 GMT
#81
Last game?
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Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
February 23 2014 20:25 GMT
#82
A serious question, wouldn't carriers have been better in this sort of game? Wouldn't the absurd amount of interceptors just mow everything down?
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8224 Posts
February 23 2014 20:26 GMT
#83
On February 24 2014 04:22 HeavenResign wrote:
I think this is the clear type of game (Mana v Firecake) Blizz was trying to avoid with the new balance patch, I think it does show the Tempest change, while looking useful, still allows these kinds of games to happen, which imo is just not my thing.

What happened?
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 23 2014 20:27 GMT
#84
On February 24 2014 05:25 Seiniyta wrote:
A serious question, wouldn't carriers have been better in this sort of game? Wouldn't the absurd amount of interceptors just mow everything down?


2 armor on corruptors (-40% DPS), and interceptors can be picked off by the zerg. Making them costs more minerals, and losing a carrier means waiting twice as long as losing a tempest.
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Esto
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany54 Posts
February 23 2014 20:32 GMT
#85
meanwhile on TakeTV ...

http://imgur.com/8fuFT8b

http://i.imgur.com/2UXq0tv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HHTgrBd.jpg
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 23 2014 20:41 GMT
#86
take needs to do more rants like with the dt's
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YoloSwaggins
Profile Joined November 2013
Austria236 Posts
February 23 2014 20:45 GMT
#87
also rotterdam's mic is like worse quality than a 5 euro one.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 23 2014 20:50 GMT
#88
not looking good for firecake
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TrAiDoS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany162 Posts
February 23 2014 20:53 GMT
#89
ggs! :-)
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arkedos
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
February 23 2014 20:53 GMT
#90
On February 24 2014 05:32 Esto wrote:
meanwhile on TakeTV ...

http://imgur.com/8fuFT8b

http://i.imgur.com/2UXq0tv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HHTgrBd.jpg



that was so hilarious :D
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HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
February 23 2014 20:54 GMT
#91
On February 24 2014 05:26 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 04:22 HeavenResign wrote:
I think this is the clear type of game (Mana v Firecake) Blizz was trying to avoid with the new balance patch, I think it does show the Tempest change, while looking useful, still allows these kinds of games to happen, which imo is just not my thing.

What happened?


i haven't watched the second game but it looks like from the comments it was similar to the first except with Firecake winning but basically mass swarm hosts and static defense, Mana ended up with an army of 3 - 4 void rays, 5 - 6 high templars, a mothership, and the rest tempests and basically resulted in imo a fairly boring game.
Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
February 23 2014 22:06 GMT
#92
I cant really understand the whine about the swarmhosts when you dont whine about the tossdeathball at the same time.

The swarmhosts are the only unit that gives zerg a fighting chance against a toss lategame army everything else just evaporates.

If you want to change swarmhosts you also have to chance a shitload of other stuff in the pvsz matchup.
Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
February 24 2014 01:08 GMT
#93
are vods available?
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wmb
Profile Joined February 2014
Sweden282 Posts
February 24 2014 01:26 GMT
#94
stephano>grubby
snute<>minigun¨
firecake<mana

I'm 100% sure.
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