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XMG Balance Test Showmatches Series

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TrAiDoS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany243 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 20:53:28
February 19 2014 16:41 GMT
#1
Only a few weeks after the Warer.com Invitational organized by the French player [image loading] Yoan 'ToD' Merlo, XMG and [image loading] ToD will hit you with something very special - the XMG Balance Test Showmatches Series.


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Format and Balance Test Mod


For the three showmatches we invited 3 Protoss players and 3 Zerg players to fight against.

This means we will have three

[image loading] vs. [image loading]

matches in a Best-of-3 mode each.


All matches played using the new "Balance Test Mod" expansion! This means every game is going to be played under the following race balance changes (Battle.net Thread).

    For Protoss:

  • Mothership Core
    • Vision radius decreased from 14 to 9.

  • Stalker
    • Blink cooldown increased from 10 to 15.

  • Tempest
    • Damage increased from 30 to 30 + 30 to structures.


    For Terran:

  • Widow Mine
    • Splash damage now deals 40 + 40 shield damage.

    For Zerg:

  • Hydralisk
    • Delay between attacks decreased from .83 to .75.



For all of you interested in the new changes, there is the possibility to participate in the tests and post feedback in the Battle.net Thread. [image loading] ToD and [image loading] RotterdaM will continuously refer to the feedback written down during the broadcast.




Players - Matches - Cash


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[EG]Stephano vs. [image loading][image loading][Grubby]Grubby

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Map 1: Yeonsu LE

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Stephano is spawning in the bottom left.
[image loading] Grubby spawns top right

2:30 - [image loading] Grubby is going for a Gateway while
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Stephano goes for Hatchery first.

4:15 -
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Stephano starts Zergling speed while [image loading] Grubby's Nexus is halfway done.

6: 45 -
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Stephano is taking his third Hatchery.

7:35 - [image loading] Grubby warps in a few Zealots and manages to kill
[image loading]
Stephano's third Hatchery.

9:00 - With a counter attack of
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Stephano, he canceled the third of [image loading] Grubby and then managed to kill him.

Result:
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Stephano 1-0 [image loading] Grubby


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Map 2: Heavy Rain

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Stephano spawns in the south of the map.
[image loading] Grubby has his base in the top north.

2:30 - [image loading] Grubby is going for a Gateway again, while
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Stephano takes his Hatchery first again like in game 1.

3:50 - The Nexus is going to warped in for [image loading] Grubby.
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Stephano starts his Zergling speed.

5:20 - The Nexus completes for [image loading] Grubby. At the same time he starts his Twilight Council.

6:20 - [image loading] Grubby is going for the Dark Shrine and
[image loading]
Stephano manages to sneak in a few Zerglings and sees the Dark Shrine.

7:45 - After his DT Shrine was spoted, [image loading] Grubby canceled it, goes for Blink and more Gateways.

8: 45 - [image loading] Grubby goes for a Gateway attack, but
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Stephano holds against [image loading] Grubby's Stalkers and Zealots.

10:30 -
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Stephano starts building Zerglings and Hydras only. At the same time [image loading] Grubby was able to kill
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Stephano's third.

12:00 - [image loading] Grubby broke the front line of
[image loading]
Stephano and killed some Drones of him. With that,
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Stephano managed to hold.

13:30 - The game slows down a bit, while [image loading] Grubby was chased back. At the same time he goes for a Robo -
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Stephano techs to Infestors.

15:10 - [image loading] Grubby takes his third and starts building his first Colossus. [image loading] Grubby is behind in upgrades with 1 attack for
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Stephano.

17:00 -
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Stephano attacks into the third of [image loading] Grubby with Infestors and Hydras. With good Force Fields [image loading] Grubby managed to hold.

18:45 -
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Stephano is going for Corruptors, while [image loading] Grubby is producing Colossi out of two Robos. He meanwhile takes his fourth and pokes a bit.

20:30 - [image loading] Grubby positioning himself at the third of
[image loading]
Stephano. With all his Colossi [image loading] Grubby is killing all the army of the Zerg player.

Result:
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Stephano 1-1 [image loading] Grubby


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Map 3: Polar Night

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Stephano is spawning in the south.
[image loading] Grubby spawns in the top

2:30 - [image loading] Grubby and
[image loading]
Stephano are opening the same way as before - Gateway and Hatchery first.

4:30 - [image loading] Grubby goes for his Nexus and a Stargate a bit after that.
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Stephano is still on two bases with Zergling speed and going for Roach Warren.

6:45
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Stephano takes his third base, while [image loading] Grubby kills a few Drones and Overlords.

9:00 - The third Nexus is getting warped in for [image loading] Grubby. Meanwhile
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Stephano starts building Hydralisks.

11:00 -
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Stephano attacks into the third of [image loading] Grubby after killing his Mothership Core.

12:00 - [image loading] Grubby was able to hold the attack and goes for the same style as in the previous game - double Colossi.

13:30 -
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Stephano managed to break the wallin of [image loading] Grubby and kill a some Probes and a Robo.

15:00 - [image loading] Grubby goes for a attack again for Immortals, Colossi, Phoenix, Zealots and Stalkers and kills the third of
[image loading]
Stephano.

17:30 - In the front of the natural of the Zerg player stands [image loading] Grubby. With great Force Fields he separates the Zerg army and ends the game. Both talking a bit about balance - also joking around.

Result:
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Stephano 1-2 [image loading] Grubby


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[TL]Snute vs. [image loading][image loading][ROOT]Minigun

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Map 1: Frost LE

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Snute spawns in the top left of Frost LE, [image loading]Minigun spawns in the top right.

2:15 - [image loading] Minigun forces
[image loading]
Snute to go for Pool first, after scouting him in the first position.

4:20 - The third is taken by
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Snute.

6:15 - The Protoss player goes for the Stargate, while
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Snute is droning uncontested.

7:40 - [image loading] Minigun is warping in his third. At the same time he kills a few Drones with his Oracle.
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Snute is teching to Swarm Hosts.

9:00 - [image loading] Minigun is building Void Rays, he's getting +1 attack for ground and air.

11:00 - [image loading] Minigun is going for double Robo for Colossi, while
[image loading]
Snute is teching to Hive.

13:00 - With a bunch of Swarm Hosts,
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Snute is attacking the third of the Protoss player. He is in front of the third with 10 Queens, Creep, Spore Crawlers and the Sworm Hosts.

15:00 - Vipers are coming in for
[image loading]
Snute. With Abducts he is killing all the Colossi from [image loading] Minigun. The Protoss player has a Mothership to protect his third. At the same time he tries to defend his hidden base, which just gone up.

17:20 - With just 1.300 compared to 10.100 minerals lost from
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Snute, [image loading] Minigun is forced to tab out.

Result:
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Snute 1-0 [image loading] Minigun


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Map 2: Polar Night

[image loading]
Snute is spawning in the north of Polar night. [image loading] Minigun founds himself in the south of the map.

3:00 - [image loading] Minigun is going for a very quick Nexus before Core.
[image loading]
Snute went for a quick third Hatchery.

7:30 - [image loading] Minigun starts producing Phoenixes, while the Zerg goes for the Hydralisk Dent.

9:00 - After only producing four Phoenixes, [image loading] Minigun is going for a Robo to get some Colossus. At the same time he's getting his third. Hydras on the way for
[image loading]
Snute.

12:00 - With a lot of Hydras,
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Snute pushes into the third of [image loading] Minigun. After pulling all the Probes, the Protoss player managed to hold.

13:50 -
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Snute teching to Infestors and producing more Hydras. With a good flank,
[image loading]
Snute killed the third of [image loading] Minigun while taking a base for himself.

15:45 -
[image loading]
Snute is now getting Swarm Hosts and techs to Hive. [image loading] Minigun builds more Colossi and gets his third up again.

19:30 -
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Snute is covering the whole map with Creep. Swarm Hosts making their way to the third of [image loading] Minigun.

21:15 - [image loading] Minigun takes his next base in the base of Polar Night. Abducts pulling the Mothership into Queens and Spore Crawlers.

23:00 - [image loading] Minigun warping in Zealots and DT's in the main base of
[image loading]
Snute to harass.

25:15 - [image loading] Minigun is defending his third base at the moment.

26:45 - Great Fungals by
[image loading]
Snute gives him the tool to kill almost the whole army of [image loading] Minigun. After that, he has gg and F10+n out.

Result:
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Snute 2-0 [image loading] Minigun


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[Vega]FireCake vs. [image loading][image loading]MaNa

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Map 1: Heavy Rain LE

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FireCaKe spawns in the top of the map. [image loading] MaNa spawns in the south.

2:30 -
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FireCaKe goes for a Pool first opening, while the Protoss player takes his Gateway.

4:30 - [image loading] MaNa is warping a Nexus and goes for a Stargate.

6:00 -
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FireCaKe grapes his third base. [image loading] MaNa is producing Phoenixes, he also warps in a Forge.

8:00 - With +1 attacks halfway done for [image loading] MaNa, he goes for a Robo. The Zerg player droning at the same time.

9:30 - [image loading] MaNa takes his second expansion. He also builds two Robobays for Colossi.
[image loading]
FireCaKe is making the energy upgrade for Infestors.

12:20 - [image loading] MaNa walks out to cancel the fourth of
[image loading]
FireCaKe. Also
[image loading]
FireCaKe starts producing Swarm Hosts.

14:00 - [image loading] MaNa takes his fourth base, while attacking the fourth of
[image loading]
FireCaKe - he kills it.

16:00 - More Swarm Hosts for
[image loading]
FireCaKe. [image loading] MaNa gets Void Rays, +1 attack for air, +3 for ground and Charge.

18:00 - The Zerg player
[image loading]
FireCaKe brings out his first Vipers. [image loading] MaNa kills the fourth of
[image loading]
FireCaKe with a run by.

20:00 - The fifth is almost up for [image loading] MaNa. Both are preparing for a long game. First Tempets are produced.

22:00 -
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FireCaKe spending his money by building Spore Crawlers.

24:30 - Both are taking the middle bases of Heavy Rain LE.

31:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe and [image loading] MaNa are poking a bit, where the Protoss gets the better trades with the Tempest range and the Revelation from the Oracles.

33:00 - [image loading] MaNa has a 15.500 / 7.000 bank,
[image loading]
FireCaKe only 5.500 / 3.000.

36:45 -
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FireCaKe goes in and abducts a good amount of [image loading] MaNa's army to kill it. Both trading pretty much 50:50.

40:00 - Both engaging and trading again 50:50.

43:00 - Another engagement where [image loading] MaNa loses his Mothership. [image loading] MaNa remaxing with 5 Tempest at a time again.

47:00 - [image loading] MaNa has 36 Tempests.

48:15 - [image loading] MaNa keeps on denying the middle base for
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

50:15 - [image loading] MaNa goes around and kills the top right Hatchery of
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

52:30 - The middle base is getting killed by [image loading] MaNa again, after another fight, where both players lost about 40 supply.

56:30 - The main fight happens. Both loosing about 80 supply - not engaging fully. [image loading] MaNa finally taking the middle base now.

58:00 - [image loading] MaNa killing the Hatchery from
[image loading]
FireCaKe again. The Zerg player is left with now money and has to gg out.

Result:
[image loading]
FireCaKe 0-1 [image loading] MaNa


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Map 2: Yeonsu LE

[image loading] MaNa spawning in the bottom left of Yeonsu.
[image loading]
FireCaKe finds himself in the top right.

2:15 - Both players are opening pretty safe - Gateway and Pool first.

4:00 - [image loading] MaNa takes his natural expansion, while the Zerg takes his expansion too.

5:30 - Stargate going up for [image loading] MaNa.

7:00 - Third base building for
[image loading]
FireCaKe. At the same time, [image loading] MaNa is flying over with an Oracle.

8:30 - [image loading] MaNa tries to take his third but gets denied by Zerglings. He adds 2 more Gateways and +1 attack for ground.
[image loading]
FireCaKe goes for the Infestation Pit.

10:00 - The third is getting warped in for [image loading] MaNa, he also starts producing an Colossi. The first Swarm Hosts are coming out for
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

13:45 - Hive is on the way for
[image loading]
FireCaKe and more Swarm Hosts as well. [image loading] MaNa gets more Colossi, Void Rays and upgrades.

16:00 - First Vipers are entering the field for
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

18:15 - Fleet Beacon is going up for [image loading] MaNa - two more Stargates too. He also gets two more Nexi.
[image loading]
FireCaKe is getting his fifth and sixth Hatchery denies by Zealots.

22:30 - [image loading] MaNa is going for the same strategy as in the first game. He adds more Stargates and starts producing Tempests.

26:00 - [image loading] MaNa sending 5 of his Colossi into the base of
[image loading]
FireCaKe to free up supply. [image loading] MaNa is building more Tempests.

33:20 - Both of the players are building up an endgame army and upgrades.

36:00 - [image loading] MaNa 9.000 / 4.000 bank, 13.000 / 12.000 for
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

44:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe is killing [image loading] MaNa slowly by abducting units into his Spore Crawlers.

52:00 - The Engagement happens - [image loading] MaNa loses all of his Tempests and the game as well.

Result:
[image loading]
FireCaKe 1-1 [image loading] MaNa


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Map 3: Habitation Station LE

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FireCaKe starts in the left top right position. [image loading] MaNa spawns in the top right.

2: 30 -
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FireCaKe goes for a Hatch first, while [image loading] MaNa starts with a Gateway and double gas.

3:45 -
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FireCaKe already building his second Hatchery.

5:30 - The Nexus and the Stargate finishes for [image loading] MaNa.

9:00 - The next base is getting warped in for [image loading] MaNa. Also his Robo finishes.

11:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe gets his fourth base up at the gold mineral patches, while he tries to make something happen with Hydras and Zerglings at [image loading] MaNa's third.

14:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe managed to kill the Mothership core and trap
[image loading]
FireCaKe's army at the gold base. He loses all his army, but kills the gold base of the Zerg.

18:00 - [image loading] MaNa tries to take his fourth base in the south, but gets denied by
[image loading]
FireCaKe, while he takes his fifth in the south left of the map.

19:30 - [image loading] MaNa goes for a push and kills the gold base of
[image loading]
FireCaKe again. At the same time,
[image loading]
FireCaKe takes the fourth and third out from the Team Liquid Protoss player.

24:00 - 3 3 finishing for
[image loading]
FireCaKe. He starts producing Ultralisks. [image loading] MaNa pokes again and kills the gold base of
[image loading]
FireCaKe.

26:45 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe is freeing up supply (Roaches).

27:45 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe morphs in 9 Brood Lords. [image loading] MaNa is still building Immortals.

29:30 - Big fight is happening at the third base of [image loading] MaNa. Both losing quite a lot of their army.

31:15 - Another fight happening with the re-enforcement. [image loading] MaNa gets the better end of it and is up 60 supply.

34:00 -
[image loading]
FireCaKe ggs out of the game.

Result: [image loading] MaNa 2-1
[image loading]
FireCaKe


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Poll: Who will win Stephano vs. Grubby?

Stephano (190)
 
52%

Grubby (175)
 
48%

365 total votes

Your vote: Who will win Stephano vs. Grubby?

(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Grubby



Poll: Snute or Minigun, who will win?

Snute (161)
 
62%

Minigun (97)
 
38%

258 total votes

Your vote: Snute or Minigun, who will win?

(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Minigun



Poll: Winner of FireCake vs. MaNa?

FireCake (80)
 
25%

MaNa (240)
 
75%

320 total votes

Your vote: Winner of FireCake vs. MaNa?

(Vote): FireCake
(Vote): MaNa



To give all of the player a little bit more of an incentive, the winner of every showmatch gets $100.





Date


The XMG Balance Test Showmatches Series will we played out live next Sunday, February 23rd.
The games will start at 17:00 GMT (+00:00)
.






Streams


To bring you 100% of the action live, we will have five different streams - one in English, French, Polish, Russian and German. The English stream is bought to you by the casting duo [image loading] Kevin 'RotterdaM' van der Kooi and [image loading] Yoan 'ToD' Merlo (ToDterdaM).
The French stream is going to be casted by the guys from MilleniumTV. And the Polish stream will be commentated by Zedd. The Russian stream will be casted by Pomi.


[image loading] RotterdaM08

[image loading] MilleniumTV

[image loading] Zedd

[image loading] TaKeTV

[image loading] Pomi





Social Media


To support us, please follow the players and casters on Twitter and tweet at them. Thank you!

ToD: @XMGToD

RotterdaM: @RotterdaM08

Millenium: @M_Millenium

Zedd: @ZeddSC

TaKe: @TaKeSeN

Stephano: @EG_Stephano

Grubby: @followgrubby

Snute: @LiquidSnute

Minigun: @ROOT_Minigun

MaNa: @Liquid_MaNa





Sponsor and Support


Last but not least we would like to thank our sponsor XMG for providing the prize money for the showmatches. Please make sure to check them out on XMG.GG. You should also make sure to follow them on Twitter @XMG_Notebooks and Facebook XMG.

Also a big thanks to Ryan Schutter for making the graphics. Please check him out on Twitter @rtschutter.

Thread and Social Media by @TrAiDoS.

🎮 Gaming & Esports Performance Researcher | ✖️ https://x.com/TrAiDoS | 🌍 https://www.christian-staedter.com/ | 🕹️ Esports Freelancer - Admin 👨‍🏫 University Lecturer
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 19 2014 16:42 GMT
#2
FireCake vs MaNa! XD

Fantastic. Looking forward to it.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
February 19 2014 16:43 GMT
#3
but whos gonna build widow mines :o
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
February 19 2014 16:47 GMT
#4
Hm, a TvP would have been nice great initiative though
InFluenza
Profile Joined January 2014
Netherlands55 Posts
February 19 2014 16:51 GMT
#5
Yeah, Grubby vs Stephano!

Stephano has been owning it up again on the EU-ladder, and I'm excited to see the results against my fav protoss!
Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 19 2014 16:52 GMT
#6
ToD and Rotti casting? Must-see.
kiss kiss fall in love
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
February 19 2014 16:58 GMT
#7
About time! Great idea.
mouzChase
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany66 Posts
February 19 2014 17:02 GMT
#8
Whats the matter with this ?! The patch is way more important for TvP than for PvZ and you only show PvZ ?! I dont get it. The idea overall is really great and i like it, but the matches are not suiting to the purpose of the patch.
My opinion here does not reflect the views of my team / twitter @mouzChase / I <3 Scarlett
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-19 17:02:53
February 19 2014 17:02 GMT
#9
XMG and tod doing some great stuff
could have casted with maddelisk though, she is a good caster and plays zerg
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-19 17:08:42
February 19 2014 17:07 GMT
#10
Great idea! I've come to the conclusion that the published test map is not worth very much.

It is a pity that no Terrans appear to be present though. It would have been good to see the WM change in effect.
KT best KT ~ 2014
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
February 19 2014 17:09 GMT
#11
Firecake vs Mana Oh god...

Why 3 PvZs? TvP is affected the most by the changes.
All I do is Stim.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 19 2014 17:10 GMT
#12
hmmm not sure if this showmatch makes sense, if the changes are primarly made to help terran deal with toss and here's no terran lol
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
February 19 2014 17:10 GMT
#13
On February 20 2014 02:02 mouzChase wrote:
Whats the matter with this ?! The patch is way more important for TvP than for PvZ and you only show PvZ ?! I dont get it. The idea overall is really great and i like it, but the matches are not suiting to the purpose of the patch.


Yeah seems a little weird to have only PvZs for a PvT balance test map.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-19 17:13:26
February 19 2014 17:13 GMT
#14
Really? Nobody else expects hydras to be significantly stronger mid-game ZvP? :/
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
February 19 2014 17:20 GMT
#15
The P changes will affect all P match-ups. MSC vision nerf will affect early game scouting in all MU, and particularly early game map movement in PvZ. The Hydra change is quite significant - as a P I am a little afraid of that change (I'd prefer a straight HP buff) even if I like the idea of a stronger Hydra in SC2. The Tempest change, again, applies to all MU.

I don't think this patch is TvP specific at all. At least not in their effect (even if MSC and Blink changes are in intention).
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Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
February 19 2014 17:42 GMT
#16
On February 20 2014 02:02 mouzChase wrote:
Whats the matter with this ?! The patch is way more important for TvP than for PvZ and you only show PvZ ?! I dont get it. The idea overall is really great and i like it, but the matches are not suiting to the purpose of the patch.


with these Zerg players invited I guess this is supposed to show how terrible swarmhosts are from a design-standpoint more than anything balance related.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 19 2014 17:44 GMT
#17
On February 20 2014 02:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Really? Nobody else expects hydras to be significantly stronger mid-game ZvP? :/


They invited the 3 zergs that are least likely to make hydras...
GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
February 19 2014 17:48 GMT
#18
Hope there is one played with PvT aswell!
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
February 19 2014 17:53 GMT
#19
This cashing in on balance whining is seriously going too far.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12486 Posts
February 19 2014 17:57 GMT
#20
The problem with doing PvT is that you would want the protoss to do blink all-ins, since that's kind of the point of doing it on the balance test map, but if the patch works well, the best strategy would be not to do it.

I guess you would need to invite someone like chubZ who does it almost every single PvT^^
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