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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:57:28
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#741
Nvm no power.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#742
Well Maru was ahead for a moment at least.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#743
TvP Game 4: Maru vs. herO on Bel'Shir Vestige

Maru opens CC-first while herO opens with gate-cycore-nexus. The game is pretty quiet.
herO goes for blink-stalkers while Maru gets stim.
herO moves out with his blink. Maru holds off the first series of blinks and the second one without too many losses.
The game stabilises from there, with herO expanding and getting charge and templar.
Maru moves out to pressure herO with MMM. He gets a good trade but herO stabilises.
Maru drops herO's main and takes out the nexus.
Storm finishes and herO moves out to attack Maru's natural. Maru goes for the base-race.
Maru gets the nexus and some production but loses too much of his base to come back.

Protoss wins 3-1!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
RyF
Profile Joined October 2011
Austria508 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#744
surprise!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#745
On February 17 2014 21:56 opterown wrote:
Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 4?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (2)
 
18%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
 
9%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
18%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
 
55%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 4?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


Poll: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 5?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
 
17%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
33%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (2)
 
33%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Terran vs. Protoss Game 5?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:56 GMT
#746
On February 17 2014 21:56 Lorning wrote:
...........

Sums it up perfectly
The curse is real
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 12:57 GMT
#747
Hero didn't even touch keyboard
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 17 2014 12:57 GMT
#748
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 17 2014 12:57 GMT
#749
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:00:32
February 17 2014 12:57 GMT
#750
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


Fast tech? PartinG was already teching to storms... Yet, if protoss gets a small lead with blink stalkers, they just keep warping in and wins...

So deflecting a proxy build is a small lead? did you see what happens to fail 11-11 in TvZs in WoL? There is no recovery unless the zerg derps their banes.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#751
It makes me wonder how Flash , Baby and Maru are at the top of the rankings in PL wins with those games ...
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#752
Can´t win basetrades against that many templar. poor maru D:
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 12:58:35
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#753
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


I learned today that only herO had more wins than him (as protoss) in Proleague Round 1
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#754
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 17 2014 12:58 GMT
#755
herO just made the best terran in the world look like a bronzie with great drop defense and engagement skill. #OUTCLASS
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-17 13:00:21
February 17 2014 12:59 GMT
#756
On February 17 2014 21:54 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


He wouldn't punish protoss in any way if he did that because protoss can and always does get a later third and Parting already had storm out. At best they would be even. And we are not talking about fast push not doing nothing to a 2 base turtle protoss, we are talking about fast push not doing anything to protoss who failed with his proxy and played greedy in a sense he rushed to storm after that.


Protoss has to rush storm or colossus in TvP. That's not greedy, that's standard.

And the way he played he didn't punish Parting at all, puting down a faster third or faster medivacs (his starport finshed after the 3rax timing was deflected, which is quite late) at least puts him in a better spot. It's better than what he did.

On February 17 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:52 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:48 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:44 Big J wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:41 YyapSsap wrote:
That matchup clearly showed whats wrong with TvP. Gas first oracle against a 15CC, even if defended and Flash has the eco lead survives the timing window to punish the greedy protoss TY PO, and then the ensuring HT vs bio army.. Once your behind as T, its going to be hard to win compared to Protoss.


yeah, because you are forced to right click a PO nexus when you see one.
Parting got behind and flash gambled on getting an easy win and fell behind from that. That shows nothing that is wrong in TvP.


It is wrong in a sense that game opened up in best possible way for Flash, he was way ahead with expansion, the oracle did no damage and he was ahead in army supply with combat shield and stim finished. Still he couldn't punish protoss who was teching to storm at that time.

That part was the problem - the inability to do damage against protoss who does a failed proxy and is rushing to storm. What he did later was a mistake by Flash, but you should be able to do damage if the early game plays out the way it did in that game.


He could have gotten a third or fast tech and punish the Protoss with that. Not everything works against anything, and fast pushing does not punish a 2base Protoss most of the time. Even more since YyapSsap put it like "whats wrong with TvP", I'd rather say that's one thing that is "right with TvP". You can't just emphasize on a small lead with a kill guaranteed timing as Terran.


Fast tech? PartinG was already teching to storms... Yet, if protoss gets a small lead with blink stalkers, they just keep warping in and wins...


*faster tech than flash had with what he did (delayed Starport, not upgradeheavy, late Ghosts)
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
February 17 2014 12:59 GMT
#757
On February 17 2014 21:58 imrusty269 wrote:
herO just made the best terran in the world look like a bronzie with great drop defense and engagement skill. #OUTCLASS


herO is after all the only two time IEM champion of all time
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 17 2014 12:59 GMT
#758
On February 17 2014 21:58 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?


It was Creator (just to solve the mystery).
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 17 2014 12:59 GMT
#759
On February 17 2014 21:58 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 21:57 ne4aJIb wrote:
On February 17 2014 21:57 Skynx wrote:
Who is that guy in middle of Flash and Maru? Has anyone seen him before?


It is Baby!


Lol thought its Byun and tried a sly joke, this is awkward... why he is in a prime hoodie tho?

Oh then you are talking about MarineKing.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 17 2014 13:00 GMT
#760
kinda lackluster games today oh well
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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