Razer Starbow Tournament - $500 - Page 6

On January 18 2014 08:50 Xiphias wrote:
I really don't think that's the actual MKP, but some other guy. I would ofc be really glad if I am wrong.

On January 18 2014 08:50 Xiphias wrote:
I really don't think that's the actual MKP, but some other guy. I would ofc be really glad if I am wrong.

On January 18 2014 08:56 rebuffering wrote:

My thoughts exactly, MKP was playing all day today, was he playing SBow at all during that time? It just seems odd that hed be playing in this tournament.

On January 18 2014 17:48 maybenexttime wrote:


Blizzard developers have serious ego issues. Back in WC3 they would practically never revert bad patch changes. They would rather introduce a bunch of other changes that would act as a band-aid solution or pretend the problem is not there... I put past them trying to kill Starbow if it was getting too popular, tbh. :< Whenever there was a suggestion that some aspect of SC2 is bad for the game, they would take it as a personal insult (Browder's constant "then go back to BW" e.g.).

On January 18 2014 18:15 aZealot wrote:


Way to make up all kinds of bull shit about the Blizzard developers. Good job.

As to Browder, that quote was from an interview, iirc, where almost every question was framed in terms of "but in BW...". He was dead right in his call. I'd hardly call that being insulted than making a rather obvious point.

On January 18 2014 18:37 saddaromma wrote:

Nope, blizz (or specifically d3/sc2 devs) definitely got ego issues.
Clues:
- They totally remove most of things from bw and make sc2 a brand new game, as if they want to prove that they can do better than the past sc devs. They could put aside their ego and just stick with what was already there, like many other succesful games (when they do sequels). NO, they had to bring reapers, colossi, voidrays and corruptors.
- Total isolation from community and no interaction whatsoever. Whenever community makes suggestions they just ignore it, whereas many online games are driven by community ideas.
- Jay Wilson's answers to d3 critisizm.
All in all, they think they know better what we want and how we should play the games. Meanwhile its already 4 years and sc2 is still going downhill. Not gonna even talk about d3. And there wasn't a SINGLE proper discussion with the community on these matters. Like what should be done? How can we regain what starcraft once was? Instead they ignore us, and throw some SITUATION REPORTS from time to time. Last time I checked community manager from blizzard told that people still watch sc2 (around 3k-4k every day), so its ok, game is popular. And most of us are just haters.

Yeah you can say that sc2 and d3 made millions of moneys, but thats because the franchise was very strong due to sc1 and d1/d2 legacy. Other than that sc2 and d3 were total failure. And blizzard never admitted that.

On January 18 2014 18:49 [17]Purple wrote:


Teamliquid may be a super harsh critic on blizzard for not making the game more like BW but everybody else on the internet was practically always repeating how the game was JUST LIKE BROODWAR. Of course these people didn't know any better about the intricacies of RTS games and didn't care for the competitive scene but they were still potential customers that saw little difference in the BW and SC2 which put them off. Of course Blizzard would want to make something different and if the only section of the community clamouring for more Broodwar style stuff was from TL, which is a relatively small consumer base compared to other sites and places then there's that.

A lot of people on TL seem to not recognise that they are above average individuals when it comes to observing game design compared to uninitiated non-RTS players. I would say Blizzard made the right choice in making SC2 different from Broodwar and am willing to bet that if they made it too similar, they would have harmed their sales figures. I however do not find the game as fun as Broodwar and wish they had gone differently and that is what the mod provides for me.

I also wish people were more like: "Wow! Starbow is really great and I enjoy playing it so much!"
Instead of: "See this Blizzard SC2 Devs! This is how you make a game and this is so much better than SC2 and just shows how bad you are at making games!"
Can't we just say that we enjoy playing a mod for a game?

On January 18 2014 18:49 [17]Purple wrote:


Teamliquid may be a super harsh critic on blizzard for not making the game more like BW but everybody else on the internet was practically always repeating how the game was JUST LIKE BROODWAR. Of course these people didn't know any better about the intricacies of RTS games and didn't care for the competitive scene but they were still potential customers that saw little difference in the BW and SC2 which put them off. Of course Blizzard would want to make something different and if the only section of the community clamouring for more Broodwar style stuff was from TL, which is a relatively small consumer base compared to other sites and places then there's that.

A lot of people on TL seem to not recognise that they are above average individuals when it comes to observing game design compared to uninitiated non-RTS players. I would say Blizzard made the right choice in making SC2 different from Broodwar and am willing to bet that if they made it too similar, they would have harmed their sales figures. I however do not find the game as fun as Broodwar and wish they had gone differently and that is what the mod provides for me.

I also wish people were more like: "Wow! Starbow is really great and I enjoy playing it so much!"
Instead of: "See this Blizzard SC2 Devs! This is how you make a game and this is so much better than SC2 and just shows how bad you are at making games!"
Can't we just say that we enjoy playing a mod for a game?

On January 18 2014 19:25 saddaromma wrote:


1. I'm not bashing SC2. Merely responding to the claim that blizzard has no ego issues.
2. I'm totally alright if they completely replaced all bw units in single player (since casuals appreciate novelty). However the fact that they knew what was expected from sc2 multiplayer, they should've kept it low risk and stick to true scbw values like defender's advantage, zone controlling and very high skill cup. I'm not advocating to have the exact bw units with better graphics. At least they could save the feel and awesomeness of bw. But ofc there came their ego. OMG we can do better than that. They made what they thought it would be cool to have 'colossi' from War of the worlds instead of boring worm reaver. etc. etc.
3. I wouldn't mind if they changed as much as starbow changed bw, maybe even more. But core strategy, meta, flow of the game should've remained the same.
EDIT: 4. But my main concern with their ego remains the same: Lack of community interaction.
PS. I've never said SC2 is crap compared to starbow. not a single time.

On January 18 2014 19:25 saddaromma wrote:


1. I'm not bashing SC2. Merely responding to the claim that blizzard has no ego issues.
2. I'm totally alright if they completely replaced all bw units in single player (since casuals appreciate novelty). However the fact that they knew what was expected from sc2 multiplayer, they should've kept it low risk and stick to true scbw values like defender's advantage, zone controlling and very high skill cup. I'm not advocating to have the exact bw units with better graphics. At least they could save the feel and awesomeness of bw. But ofc there came their ego. OMG we can do better than that. They made what they thought it would be cool to have 'colossi' from War of the worlds instead of boring worm reaver. etc. etc.
3. I wouldn't mind if they changed as much as starbow changed bw, maybe even more. But core strategy, meta, flow of the game should've remained the same.
EDIT: 4. But my main concern with their ego remains the same: Lack of community interaction.
PS. I've never said SC2 is crap compared to starbow. not a single time.