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This tournament is good news for SC2 !
A year-long series of individual Clan Wars for fun and profit coming with Patch 2.1.
Broadcast live exclusively on MLG.tv
Major League Gaming
Proleague Format
Teams can show the depth of their roster with individual members picked to play a single map each, with an ace match as the decider should it get to that point. This provides a chance for as many players as possible to show their skills while preventing teams with a single star player from running rampant over an entire opposing teams roster. The default format will be Best of 7 however there will be flexibility allowing smaller teams to play a Best of 5 instead. Teams will require a minimum of 5 players for BO7 and 3 players for BO5 formats. Teams can re-use players in the 2v2 match and the ace match can be any player including those who have previously played.
New Maps
SHOUTcraft Clan Wars will showcase an entire roster of non-standard tournament maps from the Teamliquid map-making community, ranging from the uncommon to the downright outrageous. This will allow map-makers to gain valuable exposure, give spectators fresh experiences including matches that shake up the way Starcraft is played and allow teams preparing for big events to keep their tournament builds secret. Maps with half-bases? Sure. All-gold minerals? Why not? Floating destructible islands? We can do that. Raising lava? Absolutely! The sky is the limit for map design and we will be rotating out our maps on a regular basis to keep things interesting. Teams will be given the map list in advance so they have plenty of time to prepare unique builds for these unusual maps. We hope the use of new maps will also give a more exciting experience to the viewer, who might be tired of watching yet another game on Bel’shir.
Read more here.
Axiom, StarTale, IM, MVP, EG, Liquid, ROOT, mYinsanity, Millenium, Acer, mousesports, TeamWho and IvDGaming will play.
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I'm halfway through the announcement page and this is already all kinds of amazing.
Edit: And the other half of it didn't disappoint either. TB literally not killing Esports again.
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I wonder how much BW and Starbow they'll incorporate. I can't imagine many players or teams will want to spend time practicing those.
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On January 16 2014 06:37 StutteR wrote:
I wonder how much BW and Starbow they'll incorporate. I can't imagine many players or teams will want to spend time practicing those.
The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. It's also worth noting that many teams have players that literally have nothing else to practice for after being eliminated from WCS, so it's more likely those players will be willing to spend some time with Starbow or SC2BW. Plenty of teams have players that are already playing this maps for fun anyway.
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Wow, might watch that one. Will be very interesting how those maps/mods work out.
From a semi distant view, TB seems like the one trying things out and bringing fresh air, need alot more of that.
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IM playing? I'm watching.
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On January 16 2014 06:39 mTwRINE wrote:
Wow, might watch that one. Will be very interesting how those maps/mods work out.
Since its just 1/2 maps a series you could have certain players focusing on it, you could also have certain players focusing on 2v2.
Overall its an awesome concept with a great prizepool and amazing teams.
TB <3
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Looks great, nice to see a few Korean teams in there. Can't wait to watch.
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Wow, this looks amazing! Can't wait for this to start, should be a blast! Also, is TB solo casting this entire thing?
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On January 16 2014 06:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:37 StutteR wrote:
I wonder how much BW and Starbow they'll incorporate. I can't imagine many players or teams will want to spend time practicing those. The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. It's also worth noting that many teams have players that literally have nothing else to practice for after being eliminated from WCS, so it's more likely those players will be willing to spend some time with Starbow or SC2BW. Plenty of teams have players that are already playing this maps for fun anyway.
Yeah, exactly this. Its actually awesome for those Korean B-teamers who we usually never see.
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This looks really promising, excellent work! It's a pity we wont see mouz though.
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The 'original' Kespa teams probably not interested, eh? That's too bad, could be amazing fun watching Fantasy playing SC2:BW or sOs playing Starbow. Maybe after Proleague ends?
In any way, even without those teams, this event seems like so much fun. I will try to not miss any of those matches 
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sick news, but why ivd gaming? i dont think they stand a chance at all, mouz or acer would be better choice
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So good, TB saving esports!
Also Starbow 
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And here I thought Starbow was kinda interesting, but they'd never get any Korean pros to play the mod in a serious way.
Way to go, TB!
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This is insane, is going to be sooooo interesting ^_^
Thank you Genna & John for this!
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Well, you're working with MLG. But, this is awesome. Looking forward to some epic Starbow and crazy hijinks on round map.
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that looks nice. Would have loved to see mouz participate
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On January 16 2014 06:43 Killmouse wrote:
sick news, but why ivd gaming? i dont think they stand a chance at all, mouz or acer would be better choice
Yeah I don't understand that either.... Maybe teams can join and leave at will?
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sniff sniff... whats that smell?
is it... fresh air?
mYi fighting!
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Nice, looks like a huge gap between some teams and the rest though.
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o... my...... GOOOODD!!!!!!
I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it!
I hope it's a good time for EU!
I don't get that IM and MVP are interested. They have proleague commitment. I would have rather seen Azubu, acer or mouz. I already get to see kespa teams play.
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As I was reading, I thought to myself, "Man, this sounds ambitious. I hope they realize how unwieldy something like this could be." Then, pretty much the next sentence I read: "All of this sounds ambitious, but in reality it has been built from the ground up to be a sustainable model that can happen whenever is convenient for the teams." Gave me even more confidence in this event.
So many cool ideas being tried out here, and so much potential for really, really fun games. Thank you MLG and TB! I sincerely hope this is a successful experiment for everyone involved.
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Wow, hybrid proleague's back!
Seriously though, this looks fun, if the website's anything to go by we should see great production value.
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On January 16 2014 06:43 Ammanas wrote:The 'original' Kespa teams probably not interested, eh? That's too bad, could be amazing fun watching Fantasy playing SC2:BW or sOs playing Starbow. Maybe after Proleague ends? In any way, even without those teams, this event seems like so much fun. I will try to not miss any of those matches
It could happen but our initial enquiries were met with the usual Kespa resistance to anything that's competing in some way with Proleague. That attitude may change once the Proleague season is over.
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Bummer Acer didn't join, but I'm still thrilled to see this organized, and I'll be watching nearly every match!
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This is something I always wanted to see. A league to exist to showcase players and teams for sponsors. Especially if a player is unable to qualify for major tournaments, teamleagues have always give a forgotten player a chance in the spotlight.
Absolutely love the inclusion of 2v2s and more custom maps. Like what was talked about on Unfiltered yesterday, new maps bring strategic diversity and is more interesting for the spectator.
I was trying to figure out what team was missing and I can't help but notice Acer is not there. Is there any reason for Acer not participating?
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Sounds good. But no mouz and no acer so not that interesting to me.
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On January 16 2014 06:47 Sjokola wrote:
o... my...... GOOOODD!!!!!!
I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it!
I hope it's a good time for EU!
I don't get that IM and MVP are interested. They have proleague commitment. I would have rather seen Azubu, acer or mouz. I already get to see kespa teams play.
You make the assumption that these teams weren't ask and declined.
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Doesn't say when it starts? or does it somewhere?
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Looks like a lot of fun. Interesting roster of team too. Definitely gonna watch.
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On January 16 2014 06:48 superpanda27 wrote:
This is something I always wanted to see. A league to exist to showcase players and teams for sponsors. Especially if a player is unable to qualify for major tournaments, teamleagues have always give a forgotten player a chance in the spotlight.
Absolutely love the inclusion of 2v2s and more custom maps. Like what was talked about on Unfiltered yesterday, new maps bring strategic diversity and is more interesting for the spectator.
I was trying to figure out what team was missing and I can't help but notice Acer is not there. Is there any reason for Acer not participating?
Acer did not confirm their participation. We also asked Mousesports and received no reply. However there is no cap on the number of teams that can participate (though we aren't going to let everyone in because that dilutes the prizepool). Teams can join and leave at will since it's not a league, so you could very well see those teams and others in the future.
Doesn't say when it starts? or does it somewhere?
Literally the first sentence
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On January 16 2014 06:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series.
I must be blind because I don't see that.
While the majority of points in a series will be decided in 1v1s, these non-standard formats will be sprinkled in to spice up the series.
Can't wait to see it though ^^
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On January 16 2014 06:51 StutteR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. I must be blind because I don't see that.
A year-long series of individual Clan Wars for fun and profit coming with Patch 2.1.
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I really hope that more "conventional" community-made maps get used in this tournament, not just gimmick maps. I do look forward to seeing how those gimmick maps play out, but I'd be upset if SHOUTcraft provided all this exposure for them and none for some legitimately good community-made maps that are more conventional, like Cloud Kingdom.
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Austria24417 Posts
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So looking forward to this
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On January 16 2014 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:48 superpanda27 wrote:
This is something I always wanted to see. A league to exist to showcase players and teams for sponsors. Especially if a player is unable to qualify for major tournaments, teamleagues have always give a forgotten player a chance in the spotlight.
Absolutely love the inclusion of 2v2s and more custom maps. Like what was talked about on Unfiltered yesterday, new maps bring strategic diversity and is more interesting for the spectator.
I was trying to figure out what team was missing and I can't help but notice Acer is not there. Is there any reason for Acer not participating? Acer did not confirm their participation. We also asked Mousesports and received no reply. However there is no cap on the number of teams that can participate (though we aren't going to let everyone in because that dilutes the prizepool). Teams can join and leave at will since it's not a league, so you could very well see those teams and others in the future. Literally the first sentence
Is there going to be a set criteria or qualification system for additional teams or will it be based off of invitations as well?
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MVP and IM participating in both this and PL and ofc individual tournaments? I'm not sure if they can manage to do that.
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Looks pretty awesome to me
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Awesome! I hope this gives Starbow more exposure to Korea. We really need to get it translated soon. ;;
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This is disgustingly crazy. Holy shit !
However there is a thing that I don't understand. Will it be one clan war per week or per month ? Given that there is a set 5k$ prize pool I guess the calendar is supposed to be quite regular.
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Nice to hear also that Golden is casting this in Korean, so there's more exposure.
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Awesome stuff. Any news on Acer? It seems a little odd that they're not in this.
Edit: ah was on page 2, too bad, but I hope they join in the future. Loving the SB inclusion, gives it some exposure without pushing it too hard before it's ready.
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On January 16 2014 06:52 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:51 StutteR wrote:On January 16 2014 06:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. I must be blind because I don't see that. Show nested quote +A year-long series of individual Clan Wars for fun and profit coming with Patch 2.1.
That's not what I asked...
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On January 16 2014 06:56 Squat wrote:
Awesome stuff. Any news on Acer? It seems a little odd that they're not in this.
On January 16 2014 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:48 superpanda27 wrote:
This is something I always wanted to see. A league to exist to showcase players and teams for sponsors. Especially if a player is unable to qualify for major tournaments, teamleagues have always give a forgotten player a chance in the spotlight.
Absolutely love the inclusion of 2v2s and more custom maps. Like what was talked about on Unfiltered yesterday, new maps bring strategic diversity and is more interesting for the spectator.
I was trying to figure out what team was missing and I can't help but notice Acer is not there. Is there any reason for Acer not participating? Acer did not confirm their participation. We also asked Mousesports and received no reply. However there is no cap on the number of teams that can participate (though we aren't going to let everyone in because that dilutes the prizepool). Teams can join and leave at will since it's not a league, so you could very well see those teams and others in the future.
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Coolest thing I've heard since Trials of the Xel'Naga.
Also STARTALE!!! =D
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On January 16 2014 06:56 StutteR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:52 grs wrote:On January 16 2014 06:51 StutteR wrote:On January 16 2014 06:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. I must be blind because I don't see that. A year-long series of individual Clan Wars for fun and profit coming with Patch 2.1. That's not what I asked...
I quoted wrong. You asked where is says when it starts, I quoted you the part. No need to say thanks; better correct a minor quoting mistake...
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Fucking. Amazing.
thanks a lot TB <3
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Johto4934 Posts
awesome news, i'm already in love with this tournament =)
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On January 16 2014 06:54 Admiral Adama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 06:48 superpanda27 wrote:
This is something I always wanted to see. A league to exist to showcase players and teams for sponsors. Especially if a player is unable to qualify for major tournaments, teamleagues have always give a forgotten player a chance in the spotlight.
Absolutely love the inclusion of 2v2s and more custom maps. Like what was talked about on Unfiltered yesterday, new maps bring strategic diversity and is more interesting for the spectator.
I was trying to figure out what team was missing and I can't help but notice Acer is not there. Is there any reason for Acer not participating? Acer did not confirm their participation. We also asked Mousesports and received no reply. However there is no cap on the number of teams that can participate (though we aren't going to let everyone in because that dilutes the prizepool). Teams can join and leave at will since it's not a league, so you could very well see those teams and others in the future. Doesn't say when it starts? or does it somewhere? Literally the first sentence Is there going to be a set criteria or qualification system for additional teams or will it be based off of invitations as well?
There is no qualification system. It's based on invites.
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This is an amazing initiative!
Will definitely watch and hope to enjoy.
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On January 16 2014 06:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:54 Admiral Adama wrote:On January 16 2014 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 06:48 superpanda27 wrote:
This is something I always wanted to see. A league to exist to showcase players and teams for sponsors. Especially if a player is unable to qualify for major tournaments, teamleagues have always give a forgotten player a chance in the spotlight.
Absolutely love the inclusion of 2v2s and more custom maps. Like what was talked about on Unfiltered yesterday, new maps bring strategic diversity and is more interesting for the spectator.
I was trying to figure out what team was missing and I can't help but notice Acer is not there. Is there any reason for Acer not participating? Acer did not confirm their participation. We also asked Mousesports and received no reply. However there is no cap on the number of teams that can participate (though we aren't going to let everyone in because that dilutes the prizepool). Teams can join and leave at will since it's not a league, so you could very well see those teams and others in the future. Doesn't say when it starts? or does it somewhere? Literally the first sentence Is there going to be a set criteria or qualification system for additional teams or will it be based off of invitations as well? There is no qualification system. It's based on invites.
Roger that, thank you for the response.
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On January 16 2014 06:58 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:56 StutteR wrote:On January 16 2014 06:52 grs wrote:On January 16 2014 06:51 StutteR wrote:On January 16 2014 06:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. I must be blind because I don't see that. A year-long series of individual Clan Wars for fun and profit coming with Patch 2.1. That's not what I asked... I quoted wrong. You asked where is says when it starts, I quoted you the part. No need to say thanks; better correct a minor quoting mistake...
No someone else asked when it starts. I was talking about Starbow/SCBW integration. No need to quibble
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Big thank you to the Bains and MLG, this sounds so great!
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Love the stuff about the map poll. It's time to get beyond what maps are "standard" and get into the crazy. All the stuff in this announcement is amazing.
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This is a really cool idea for a team league I can't wait to watch some matches
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Awww yeah this looks like it will be really good :D
Shout outs to the Bains for being bad asses!
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United States97276 Posts
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This is so awesome. 
I did not expect korean teams to participate.I can't wait!!!
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Sounds great!
So how is the money distributed and how often do teams play in a month? Do you try to even out the playing oppurtunities over the whole roster of teams or is that not a priority (e.g. more popular teams play more often than others)?
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TotalBiscuit delivers again!
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This feels more like CSL format than Proleague format..
No Acer... How about Axiom-Acer?
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KeSPA teams should really consider this. They could give their b-teams some excellent experience and still remain competitive. I hope Coach Park is busy sending emails to the CJ bosses about this right now.
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Canada16217 Posts
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Gratz TB! The initiative and hard work is greatly appreciated!
I haven't watched an event on mlg.tv, are there any concerns with the viewing experience? That is a relatively new streaming site is it not?
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On January 16 2014 07:06 geokilla wrote:
This feels more like CSL format than Proleague format..
No Acer... How about Axiom-Acer?
Axiom-Acer is dead. 
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where is mouz? better than mYinsanity, Milenium, IvDGaming and Root
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So 3 SC2 1v1s, 1 SC2BW 1v1, 1 Starbow 1v1, 1 SC2 2v2, 1 SC2 1v1 ace match?
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Germany25657 Posts
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On January 16 2014 06:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:48 superpanda27 wrote:
This is something I always wanted to see. A league to exist to showcase players and teams for sponsors. Especially if a player is unable to qualify for major tournaments, teamleagues have always give a forgotten player a chance in the spotlight.
Absolutely love the inclusion of 2v2s and more custom maps. Like what was talked about on Unfiltered yesterday, new maps bring strategic diversity and is more interesting for the spectator.
I was trying to figure out what team was missing and I can't help but notice Acer is not there. Is there any reason for Acer not participating? Acer did not confirm their participation. We also asked Mousesports and received no reply. However there is no cap on the number of teams that can participate (though we aren't going to let everyone in because that dilutes the prizepool). Teams can join and leave at will since it's not a league, so you could very well see those teams and others in the future.
Ah that's cool. The flexibility with this format sounds great. This is also good considering that half of the initial 8 teams have players around the globe. I wonder how difficult the scheduling of this is going to be and how frequent clan wars will be.
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Wow, didn't expect IM and MVP to join since they're also in SPL.
Looks awesome all around, though I have to wonder why Starbow AND SC2: BW? I realize the difference between the two, but I can't help feeling a little redundancy. I'd rather just Starbow.
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Sorry, MLG, you lost my views a long time ago.
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On January 16 2014 07:06 geokilla wrote:
This feels more like CSL format than Proleague format..
No Acer... How about Axiom-Acer?
Totalbiscuit in earlier post replied they haven't confirmed their participation yet and that teams not mentioned can still participate later as this is not a league. I think we should treat it as clan showmatches instead of a unified league.
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I posted this on Bnet forums *cough* with the title "#saving esports. patch 2.1"
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On January 16 2014 07:09 Cheren wrote:
So 3 SC2 1v1s, 1 SC2BW 1v1, 1 Starbow 1v1, 1 SC2 2v2, 1 SC2 1v1 ace match?
TB said: The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. It's also worth noting that many teams have players that literally have nothing else to practice for after being eliminated from WCS, so it's more likely those players will be willing to spend some time with Starbow or SC2BW. Plenty of teams have players that are already playing this maps for fun anyway.
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Wow, this looks fantastic. Stoked.
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On January 16 2014 07:07 Ctone23 wrote:
Gratz TB! The initiative and hard work is greatly appreciated!
I haven't watched an event on mlg.tv, are there any concerns with the viewing experience? That is a relatively new streaming site is it not?
MLG had streaming capabilities a long time ago, so they should know how to do it.
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On January 16 2014 07:15 Mahavishnu wrote:
I posted this on Bnet forums *cough* with the title "#saving esports. patch 2.1"
TB could be Esports Jesus. He has the beard.
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On January 16 2014 07:17 KalWarkov wrote:
no mouz but IvD??? what?
Mousesports did not reply to my PMs.
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your Country52797 Posts
I just drooled all over my shirt, brb getting a new shirt.
Hopefully teams will send out interesting rosters as well as their tried and true teamleague players. I want to see Mvp specifically ^^
Although I'm sort of sad you didn't use any of my maps May I ask why not?
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This looks awesome! you have my eyeballs Mr. Bain
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I noticed they mentioned patch 2.1.Do they actually know when it's coming?
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On January 16 2014 07:19 The_Templar wrote:I just drooled all over my shirt, brb getting a new shirt. Hopefully teams will send out interesting rosters as well as their tried and true teamleague players. I want to see Mvp specifically ^^ Although I'm sort of sad you didn't use any of my maps May I ask why not?
Maps were voted on in the TL Map community Skype group.
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On January 16 2014 07:21 DifuntO wrote:
I noticed they mentioned patch 2.1.Do they actually know when it's coming?
In 2013. Oh wait...
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your Country52797 Posts
On January 16 2014 07:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 07:19 The_Templar wrote:I just drooled all over my shirt, brb getting a new shirt. Hopefully teams will send out interesting rosters as well as their tried and true teamleague players. I want to see Mvp specifically ^^ Although I'm sort of sad you didn't use any of my maps May I ask why not? Maps were voted on in the TL Map community Skype group.
oh so nobody even thought of me lol
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On January 16 2014 07:23 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 07:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 07:19 The_Templar wrote:I just drooled all over my shirt, brb getting a new shirt. Hopefully teams will send out interesting rosters as well as their tried and true teamleague players. I want to see Mvp specifically ^^ Although I'm sort of sad you didn't use any of my maps May I ask why not? Maps were voted on in the TL Map community Skype group. oh so nobody even thought of me lol
Are you in that group? Everyone was invited to participate, the vote went on for several days after 2 weeks of map shortlisting by the group and debate amongst the people in there.
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Really cool idea. Love that we get to see NEW and DIFFERENT maps. and a really good mix of korean and foreign teams.
Thanks TB for saving espots
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Awesome Idea TB. I'll be tuning in.
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Acer
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Oooh this looks so awesome! And IM is participating! :D
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Amazing amazing amazing! Great work TB Genna and everyone else involved, super excited to tune in
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Norway839 Posts
Wow this is pretty cool o_o
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is hero playing for IM or TL ? :D
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The map pool would be enough for me to tune in, regardless of who'd be playing.
But these line-up of teams is incredible.
Just out of curiosity - are the games going to be played on a mutually decided server or are they going to be NA only?
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On January 16 2014 07:36 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Wow this is pretty cool o_o
you didn't know before us? ;p
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I wonder how will the KeSPA teams participate. I can't actually see them practice 2v2, StarBow, SC2Bw and other shenanigans. Both IM and MVP are quite busy until the end of Proleague. I guess they will use only b-teamers...
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Oh my goodness, this looks amazing.
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Wow, look at that. Really impressed that Kespa teams are playing as well.
The only major team missing is Acer
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On January 16 2014 07:34 Nerchio wrote:Acer
Acer indeed. Nerchio, y u no confirm participation!?
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On January 16 2014 07:41 Pr0wler wrote:
I wonder how will the KeSPA teams participate. I can't actually see them practice 2v2, StarBow, SC2Bw and other shenanigans. Both IM and MVP are quite busy until the end of Proleague. I guess they will use only b-teamers...
The nonstandard maps are one of the main reasons the Kespa teams agreed to play. They don't have to show their builds for Proleague, they can use b-teamers more effectively as well as unorthodox builds and cheeses. With Proleague only being a BO5 now they have more players available to use in Clan Wars.
Acer
Acer participation is pending. We've spoken again since the announcement.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
Awesome news, can't wait for this to begin!
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Thank you TB <3
Looking forward to this!
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That looks pretty cool. Even though I don't really watch sc2 anymore, I will definitely check it out. All the unorthodox maps, Starbow and Sc2BW look pretty nice
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On January 16 2014 07:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 07:41 Pr0wler wrote:
I wonder how will the KeSPA teams participate. I can't actually see them practice 2v2, StarBow, SC2Bw and other shenanigans. Both IM and MVP are quite busy until the end of Proleague. I guess they will use only b-teamers... The nonstandard maps are one of the main reasons the Kespa teams agreed to play. They don't have to show their builds for Proleague, they can use b-teamers more effectively as well as unorthodox builds and cheeses. With Proleague only being a BO5 now they have more players available to use in Clan Wars. Acer participation is pending. We've spoken again since the announcement.
Great to hear. Really hope Acer can get in on this. They really performed exceptionally well in the past 6 months in teamleagues
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Now i want Patch 2.1 to get out yesterday.
This is going to be really good
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TB does it again. Can't wait.
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On January 16 2014 07:06 geokilla wrote:
This feels more like CSL format than Proleague format..
No Acer... How about Axiom-Acer?
Axiom-Acer would be too OP. None of the teams would stand a chance
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On January 16 2014 07:57 SmoKim wrote:would love to see Acer and Mouz in this (Can they still get in?) But this looks pretty awesome, thanks MLG and TB
TB said other teams can still get in and others can leave at will. In an earlier post he said this isn't exactly a league as unless I'm mistaken and it doesn't say anywhere that this is a league. Like it says, individual clan wars.
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On January 16 2014 07:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 07:41 Pr0wler wrote:
I wonder how will the KeSPA teams participate. I can't actually see them practice 2v2, StarBow, SC2Bw and other shenanigans. Both IM and MVP are quite busy until the end of Proleague. I guess they will use only b-teamers... The nonstandard maps are one of the main reasons the Kespa teams agreed to play. They don't have to show their builds for Proleague, they can use b-teamers more effectively as well as unorthodox builds and cheeses. With Proleague only being a BO5 now they have more players available to use in Clan Wars.
That said, will these Clan Wars feature mroe "conventional" or "standard" community-made maps? Will mapmakers who make those types of maps still the the chance to gain exposure for their work through Clan Wars?
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On January 16 2014 08:06 2xNoodle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 07:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 07:41 Pr0wler wrote:
I wonder how will the KeSPA teams participate. I can't actually see them practice 2v2, StarBow, SC2Bw and other shenanigans. Both IM and MVP are quite busy until the end of Proleague. I guess they will use only b-teamers... The nonstandard maps are one of the main reasons the Kespa teams agreed to play. They don't have to show their builds for Proleague, they can use b-teamers more effectively as well as unorthodox builds and cheeses. With Proleague only being a BO5 now they have more players available to use in Clan Wars. That said, will these Clan Wars feature mroe "conventional" or "standard" community-made maps? Will mapmakers who make those types of maps still the the chance to gain exposure for their work through Clan Wars?
I doubt we'll be going out of our way to feature "Standard" maps. WCS has plenty of those, as does every other tournament in the scene. We'd rather be the ones shooting for the moon since no-one else is. Some maps might not work out but this is about the only place we get to try them anyway.
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You are the man TB, looking forward to this!
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On January 16 2014 07:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 07:23 The_Templar wrote:On January 16 2014 07:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 07:19 The_Templar wrote:I just drooled all over my shirt, brb getting a new shirt. Hopefully teams will send out interesting rosters as well as their tried and true teamleague players. I want to see Mvp specifically ^^ Although I'm sort of sad you didn't use any of my maps May I ask why not? Maps were voted on in the TL Map community Skype group. oh so nobody even thought of me lol Are you in that group? Everyone was invited to participate, the vote went on for several days after 2 weeks of map shortlisting by the group and debate amongst the people in there.
never heard of it
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Team league plus funky maps?
Yes to all of this.
Can't wait to see some ridiculous games and ultimate creativity.
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Questions for TotalBiscuit:
1. Are there plans to change the map pool after each round (assuming SHOUTcraft Clan Wars is split into multiple rounds like Proleague is.)
2. Are there plans to adopt the All-Kill format which has been used in some rounds of Proleague and even GSTL?
3. Why incorporate 2v2 and mods such as Starbow and SC2BW in such a tournament? I remember when MCSL had a 2v2 round and it made the league feel a bit too unorthodox, as much as the 2v2 scene needs some much-deserved promotion. There was also the controversy and hate that the BW/SC2 Hybrid Proleague received too. Wouldn't 2v2/Starbow/SC2BW be better utilized within separate events? (such as a showmatch or a separate league entirely.)
4. Is this the 'Starbow' thing you were speculated to be doing on Nathanias's stream or is this a separate announcement altogether?
5. Would you consider reintroducing early-Wings maps into the map pool such as Blistering Sands, Jungle Basin, Desert Oasis, Steppes of War, Xel'naga Caverns, Incinernation Zone, Crevasse, Terminus RE, Testbug, Typhon Peaks, Delta Quadrant, etc in a HotS setting?
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On January 16 2014 07:09 DanielSe wrote:
where is mouz? better than mYinsanity, Milenium, IvDGaming and Root
mYInsanity > mouz id argue.
need mouz and Acer though :/
and plz not both, sc2bw and starbow. take the better one.
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I'm so happy right now, this has put me in a really good mood. Anyone who wants to thank TB for this could always subscribe to him on twitch if you want: www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit
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Brilliant insanity. That's what this tournament format is, brilliant insanity.
2v2? Starbow? Bizarre maps from the community? Mix just one of those things in and everyone hates the tournament, but all of them at once? It's so crazy it might actually work.
The best (and craziest) part is that this is actually well thought-out. TB is making every mistake in the book at once, but he has planned it all out and is utilizing the strengths of all his weird decisions, instead of trying to act like all the standard tournaments out there.
I just love it when people turn all our preconceptions on their head like this, but right now this tournament is only amazing in theory. I can't wait to see what it looks like in practice.
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I'm now dreaming of more Proleague teams signing up when the season finishes. Imagine a clan war between KT and EG with Flash vs Jaedong in StarBow. Oh man, that would be so awesome.
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On January 16 2014 08:21 Clbull wrote:
Questions for TotalBiscuit:
1. Are there plans to change the map pool after each round (assuming SHOUTcraft Clan Wars is split into multiple rounds like Proleague is.)
2. Are there plans to adopt the All-Kill format which has been used in some rounds of Proleague and even GSTL?
3. Why incorporate 2v2 and mods such as Starbow and SC2BW in such a tournament? I remember when MCSL had a 2v2 round and it made the league feel a bit too unorthodox, as much as the 2v2 scene needs some much-deserved promotion. There was also the controversy and hate that the BW/SC2 Hybrid Proleague received too. Wouldn't 2v2/Starbow/SC2BW be better utilized within separate events? (such as a showmatch or a separate league entirely.)
4. Is this the 'Starbow' thing you were speculated to be doing on Nathanias's stream or is this a separate announcement altogether?
5. Would you consider reintroducing early-Wings maps into the map pool such as Blistering Sands, Jungle Basin, Desert Oasis, Steppes of War, Xel'naga Caverns, Incinernation Zone, Crevasse, Terminus RE, Testbug, Typhon Peaks, Delta Quadrant, etc in a HotS setting?
For 1, 2 and 3 - if I understood and read the announcement correctly, this is not a tournament, this is more like a series of showmatches played out under the roof of Shoutcraft Clan Wars.
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On January 16 2014 08:21 Clbull wrote:
Questions for TotalBiscuit:
1. Are there plans to change the map pool after each round (assuming SHOUTcraft Clan Wars is split into multiple rounds like Proleague is.)
2. Are there plans to adopt the All-Kill format which has been used in some rounds of Proleague and even GSTL?
3. Why incorporate 2v2 and mods such as Starbow and SC2BW in such a tournament? I remember when MCSL had a 2v2 round and it made the league feel a bit too unorthodox, as much as the 2v2 scene needs some much-deserved promotion. There was also the controversy and hate that the BW/SC2 Hybrid Proleague received too. Wouldn't 2v2/Starbow/SC2BW be better utilized within separate events? (such as a showmatch or a separate league entirely.)
4. Is this the 'Starbow' thing you were speculated to be doing on Nathanias's stream or is this a separate announcement altogether?
5. Would you consider reintroducing early-Wings maps into the map pool such as Blistering Sands, Jungle Basin, Desert Oasis, Steppes of War, Xel'naga Caverns, Incinernation Zone, Crevasse, Terminus RE, Testbug, Typhon Peaks, Delta Quadrant, etc in a HotS setting?
I'm not TotalBiscuit... lol
But..
3. I don't think this is a tournament nor a league. From what he has said and what I can infer from the announcement, treat each individual clan war as a team showmatch.
4. Yes, that is Starbow and keep in mind it is still in development.
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On January 16 2014 08:21 Clbull wrote:
Questions for TotalBiscuit:
1. Are there plans to change the map pool after each round (assuming SHOUTcraft Clan Wars is split into multiple rounds like Proleague is.)
2. Are there plans to adopt the All-Kill format which has been used in some rounds of Proleague and even GSTL?
3. Why incorporate 2v2 and mods such as Starbow and SC2BW in such a tournament? I remember when MCSL had a 2v2 round and it made the league feel a bit too unorthodox, as much as the 2v2 scene needs some much-deserved promotion. There was also the controversy and hate that the BW/SC2 Hybrid Proleague received too. Wouldn't 2v2/Starbow/SC2BW be better utilized within separate events? (such as a showmatch or a separate league entirely.)
4. Is this the 'Starbow' thing you were speculated to be doing on Nathanias's stream or is this a separate announcement altogether?
5. Would you consider reintroducing early-Wings maps into the map pool such as Blistering Sands, Jungle Basin, Desert Oasis, Steppes of War, Xel'naga Caverns, Incinernation Zone, Crevasse, Terminus RE, Testbug, Typhon Peaks, Delta Quadrant, etc in a HotS setting?
1. There are no rounds. It is not a league.
2. No. We feel All-kill formats do not synergise well with our map strategy, where we give the teams a lot of time to prepare builds for these unusual maps. We also feel All-kill benefits teams with "star players" too much, more than a well-rounded and deep team roster.
3. Because we want to.
4. Yes
5. No. The community map development scene gets too little attention as it is. I strongly disagree with the idea that map slots should be taken up by old Blizzard maps instead of new community creations.
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Hopefully Jaedong plays more Starbow
(and it is translated by then)
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On January 16 2014 08:33 TotalBiscuit wrote:
5. No. The community map development scene gets too little attention as it is. I strongly disagree with the idea that map slots should be taken up by old Blizzard maps instead of new community creations.
Ahhh very well said. I kind of agreed with the question in a sense (it could be fun, i'd like to see it) but your reasoning against it is rock solid.
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On January 16 2014 08:21 Clbull wrote:
5. Would you consider reintroducing early-Wings maps into the map pool such as Blistering Sands, Jungle Basin, Desert Oasis, Steppes of War, Xel'naga Caverns, Incinernation Zone, Crevasse, Terminus RE, Testbug, Typhon Peaks, Delta Quadrant, etc in a HotS setting?
I can't speak for TB but pretty much every map you mentioned is horrible. If he wanted to have Desert Oasis cos it has a cool concept he'd probably ask us mapmakers to make something along those lines but better, not use that shitty map
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TB, are there any plans for small unknown teams to have a chance to qualify? or are you only going to do these big teams?
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Looks awesome, now I have something SC 2 related to watch!
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On January 16 2014 08:36 Sleet wrote:
TB, are there any plans for small unknown teams to have a chance to qualify? or are you only going to do these big teams?
TB answered this earlier in the thread, he said that it's invite only and the prize pool isn't going to be diluted by having a load of teams in it. Which is a good thing.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Cool idea! Sadly no team I like is playing :/
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Starbow are you kidding me..........
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All those maps are so amazing. Air forcefields to limit flyers. Walls of natural turrets. It all looks so awesome and dumb. I love it.
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How is the money awarded. Looked but couldn't find it
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Just wondering TB, how long have you been working on this for? It feels like the culmination of a lot of hard work and passion.
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On January 16 2014 08:49 ShadowBrood wrote:
Starbow are you kidding me..........
I like how 2v2, SC2BW and maps with raising lava, bridges that can kill entire armies and walls of neutral missile turrets are fine but mention Starbow and the anti-circlejerk begins in force. So many stick in the muds
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On January 16 2014 08:51 Pandain wrote:
How is the money awarded. Looked but couldn't find it
It's awarded on a match by match basis. We're looking at a 70:30 split at the moment. As it stands the $5000 budget a month will support 10 Clan Wars at $500 a piece.
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Would other teams be able to join?
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Where are the VODs going to be posted, MLG's or your YouTube channel? (Or both/neither..?)
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On January 16 2014 09:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:51 Pandain wrote:
How is the money awarded. Looked but couldn't find it It's awarded on a match by match basis. We're looking at a 70:30 split at the moment. As it stands the $5000 budget a month will support 10 Clan Wars at $500 a piece.
I was really hoping you would say "though a potato gun", but I will accept this $500 a match thing.
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On January 16 2014 09:01 FosTA wrote:
Would other teams be able to join?
Yes and teams can leave as well according to previous responses from TB.
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How will the Vods be distributed? I doubt I will be able to catch the live shows.
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To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered"
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For a while now it's seemed that TB is doing more to keep the SC2 scene interesting and relevant than most other people out there. Just want you to know it's appreciated mate.
I love reading your sometimes sharp answers to silly questions or statements on TL too - hilarious.
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I feel like TB does more to save this damn game than Blizzard itself sometimes :')
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Wow.. finally someone who has the balls to try something new!
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And wow.. This is so fucking awesome man please load it up on YouTube and not only Twitch, Total!
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On January 16 2014 09:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered"
There is a website o0?
Anyway, how about ClanCraft? ShoutClan sounds kind of strange, I liked that one better.
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On January 16 2014 10:03 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 09:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered" There is a website o0? Anyway, how about ClanCraft? ShoutClan sounds kind of strange, I liked that one better.
Can't have ClanCraft, because it sounds too much like LANCraft, which will result in people remembering that there is no LAN, and Blizzard doesn't want that.
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Sounds awesome! But almost all of these maps kind of feel like they would never work in SC2 : /
Hope some mapmaker ports this to BW though because the concepts are amazing (Of course the lava wouldn't work and most of these maps already have their roots in BW, but still)
Also one of the maps was inspired by Iron Curtain? An SSL map made for SSL8 , but never played because it was determined to be completely broken even in BW.
Seriously though I still love it, this might be the first event that I'll actually follow since last Shoutcraft.
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That is exactly what the scene needs. TB, you have figured out everything perfectly and you deserve a big applause, man!
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On January 16 2014 10:05 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:03 Squat wrote:On January 16 2014 09:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered" There is a website o0? Anyway, how about ClanCraft? ShoutClan sounds kind of strange, I liked that one better. Can't have ClanCraft, because it sounds too much like LANCraft, which will result in people remembering that there is no LAN, and Blizzard doesn't want that.
To be fair the $5,000 a month prize pool thing seemed a bit ambiguous.
Just a small detail. You are doing amazing things for eSports.
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someone give me a tryout so I can play in this x.x
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On January 16 2014 10:07 thezanursic wrote:
Sounds awesome! But almost all of these maps kind of feel like they would never work in SC2 : /
Hope some mapmaker ports this to BW though because the concepts are amazing (Of course the lava wouldn't work and most of these maps already have their roots in BW, but still)
Also one of the maps was inspired by Iron Curtain? An SSL map made for SSL8 , but never played because it was determined to be completely broken even in BW.
Seriously though I still love it, this might be the first event that I'll actually follow since last Shoutcraft.
Iron Curtain was a 2v2 map from the olden days that had some of the best 2v2's ever in BW.
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On January 16 2014 06:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:37 StutteR wrote:
I wonder how much BW and Starbow they'll incorporate. I can't imagine many players or teams will want to spend time practicing those. The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. It's also worth noting that many teams have players that literally have nothing else to practice for after being eliminated from WCS, so it's more likely those players will be willing to spend some time with Starbow or SC2BW. Plenty of teams have players that are already playing this maps for fun anyway.
I'm worried that some of these maps will only be played in SB and SC2BW because the players will completely avoid playing SC2 on some of these maps because of map concepts.
Also both SC2BW still has so many kinks (when playing in BW mode- More than 12 units selected before deselection, MBS, etc) Can I suggest playing in SC2 settings to avoid these problems?
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Great news. But are IM and MVP fielding B-Teamers? I'd rather they focus entirely on Proleague tbh.
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On January 16 2014 10:16 Garnet wrote:
Great news. But are IM and MVP fielding B-Teamers? I'd rather they focus entirely on Proleague tbh.
I'm sure professional gaming teams can properly figure out how to manage their own resources without help from us.
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On January 16 2014 09:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:51 Pandain wrote:
How is the money awarded. Looked but couldn't find it It's awarded on a match by match basis. We're looking at a 70:30 split at the moment. As it stands the $5000 budget a month will support 10 Clan Wars at $500 a piece.
Hope that you guys weed a little bit of crazy out over time (The crazy that doesn't work obviously) and make this into a testing grounds for new concepts (Which it kind of looks like it attempts to be, but some of these concepts just seem like they are doomed to fail)
Also I hope this doesn't go the way of the hybrid proleague.
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On January 16 2014 10:16 Garnet wrote:
Great news. But are IM and MVP fielding B-Teamers? I'd rather they focus entirely on Proleague tbh.
IM used to field B-Teamers even in the GSTL. It's a Herculean task to get teams like that to send the star players into the lineup sometimes.
If you want IM to field their A-Teamers, you would need to hire the Yakuza AND the Triads to visit IM's coach Kang in order to "persuade" him, and even then there's only a 65% chance he'll bow down to the pressure.
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On January 16 2014 10:12 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:07 thezanursic wrote:
Sounds awesome! But almost all of these maps kind of feel like they would never work in SC2 : /
Hope some mapmaker ports this to BW though because the concepts are amazing (Of course the lava wouldn't work and most of these maps already have their roots in BW, but still)
Also one of the maps was inspired by Iron Curtain? An SSL map made for SSL8 , but never played because it was determined to be completely broken even in BW.
Seriously though I still love it, this might be the first event that I'll actually follow since last Shoutcraft. Iron Curtain was a 2v2 map from the olden days that had some of the best 2v2's ever in BW.
Ohh shit, sorry... That was steel wall TT. Sorry, not that well-versed in non-1v1 BW maps.
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On January 16 2014 10:16 Garnet wrote:
Great news. But are IM and MVP fielding B-Teamers? I'd rather they focus entirely on Proleague tbh.
The B-team from IM still sounds like fun to me. That'd probably be: Ungnim, Ruin, Mvp, and Nestea. I'd watch the shit out of that
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Do we know when Patch 2.1 is coming out?
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On January 16 2014 10:33 Jono7272 wrote:
Do we know when Patch 2.1 is coming out?
Must...resist...temptation...argh, drive...too...strong...
Soon.
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On January 16 2014 10:33 Jono7272 wrote:
Do we know when Patch 2.1 is coming out?
today or next week wednesday
source : me
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this will be even better with Acer
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very cool and exciting, but also very disappointed with the StarBow part
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On January 16 2014 11:10 CuSToM wrote:
very cool and exciting, but also very disappointed with the StarBow part
Luckily, there is a perfectly serviceable solution to this vexing conundrum: watch something else.
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On January 16 2014 11:10 CuSToM wrote:
very cool and exciting, but also very disappointed with the StarBow part
Starbow will get better with balancing, and maybe adding a few more SC2 units in, such as Phoenixes and replacing the dreadfully boring Guardians with Brood Lords.
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On January 16 2014 10:24 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 09:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 08:51 Pandain wrote:
How is the money awarded. Looked but couldn't find it It's awarded on a match by match basis. We're looking at a 70:30 split at the moment. As it stands the $5000 budget a month will support 10 Clan Wars at $500 a piece. Hope that you guys weed a little bit of crazy out over time (The crazy that doesn't work obviously) and make this into a testing grounds for new concepts (Which it kind of looks like it attempts to be, but some of these concepts just seem like they are doomed to fail) Also I hope this doesn't go the way of the hybrid proleague.
Y'know what's telling about how stagnant map design is right now? That people think this pool we have here is "crazy". This is mild compared to some of the ideas we had. I think once people see the games they will be surprised at just how sane the maps actually are.
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Something to bear in mind as they ask for more teams. The teams we invite, the less prize money there is to go around. I have no intention of throwing open the gates to any and all teams at the expense of the ones we already have. If we take on any more teams to the event it'll be with careful consideration.
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10 teams is already a lot, any more than 1 or 2 more and it becomes all too diluted. I'm bummed about no Acer too, but let's just wait and see. It's still a really cool initiative, someone trying new stuff and who is actually willing to take some risks to do it. It's been far too long since anyone tried to stick their neck out with new shit in this game.
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This is not really a "clan war" as much as a team league, but oh well.
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On January 16 2014 12:46 Gen.Rolly wrote:
This is not really a "clan war" as much as a team league, but oh well.
It is not a league.
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On January 16 2014 12:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:24 thezanursic wrote:On January 16 2014 09:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 08:51 Pandain wrote:
How is the money awarded. Looked but couldn't find it It's awarded on a match by match basis. We're looking at a 70:30 split at the moment. As it stands the $5000 budget a month will support 10 Clan Wars at $500 a piece. Hope that you guys weed a little bit of crazy out over time (The crazy that doesn't work obviously) and make this into a testing grounds for new concepts (Which it kind of looks like it attempts to be, but some of these concepts just seem like they are doomed to fail) Also I hope this doesn't go the way of the hybrid proleague. Y'know what's telling about how stagnant map design is right now? That people think this pool we have here is "crazy". This is mild compared to some of the ideas we had. I think once people see the games they will be surprised at just how sane the maps actually are.
Really?
Hahaha, could you share some of the map design ideas that were going around, but you guys ultimately rejected? How long was the process of map selection?
Here's the thing if it weren't for protoss most of these designs would have worked out, but with current game design it just seems like we'll get some interesting TvT, TvZ and ZvZ and broken PvX.
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Since there's some frequently asked questions, here's a mini FAQ.
Q: Will there be offline matches?
A: No. We are hosting teams from 3 different regions, the event will be played online, alternating servers where necessary to keep things fair
Q: Will it be cast live or from replays?
A: Live. The viewers have made it abundantly clear over the last few years that replay casting is not acceptable in a streaming environment
Q: Is this a league?
A: It's not a league. There are no standings. There are no rounds. There is no elimination. Wars will be organised, announced and then cast. Each war is its own stand-alone event under the same banner. Teams on the roster are not guaranteed wars nor are they guaranteed to play against each other team on the roster (though it would be nice if that happened). We hope to accommodate each team as best we can.
Q: How does the prize money work?
A: At present we are looking at offering $500 split 70:30 per War for a total of 10 wars per month, however right now we can't guarantee that there will be that many events every month due to the wide variety of factors involved. That's our "ideal scenario". Increased funding would most likely result in higher prize money for each war rather than more wars per month, due to the time constraints involved for myself and the teams.
Q: Will it also be on Twitch?
A: No. The English stream is exclusive to MLG.tv. The exception to this is the Korean cast which will take place on Twitch and will initially be hosted and cast by Golden.
Q: Can you further explain the format. Will both Starbow and SC2BW be used all the time?
A: The arcade maps will not be used all the time. In some series we just won't have either of them, that's really down to the teams competing. Some teams such as ROOT and Axiom have players who are very skilled at Starbow and are willing to use it. Others not so much. At most there will be 1 arcade map per war. We will never include both. At present there are two formats we will be switching between.
5x 1v1
1x 2v2
1x Ace Match
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4x 1v1
1x Arcade map
1x 2v2
1x Ace Match
Each 1v1 and arcade map will require a different player. Players can be re-used in the 2v2 and any player can be chosen for the ace, so there is the potential of having the same player compete 3 teams. That said we feel that the mandatory inclusion of the 2v2 will mitigate the effects of any one star player, since 2v2 is relatively unexplored and individual skill is not as large a factor in that matchup.
Q: Will there be a co-caster?
A: Ideally yes but they would have to give their time for free since the budget does not extend to paying for a co-caster. It will most likely be a mix of solo casts and volunteer guest commentators.
All the other stuff I think is covered in the post.
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Wow I picked a good few weeks to not show up in map skype. >_>
Excited to see all this, though!
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More opportunities to be a ST fanboy? Yespls.
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TB you by no means have to answer this, but were all the previous shoutcraft casters paid to be there?
Assuming that thats true, I definitely think that compensating casters is the way to go and I also don't condemn you for deciding to go more solo cast orientated considering that your budget for this event is limited.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Nice, looking forward to it
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On January 16 2014 13:59 thezanursic wrote:
TB you by no means have to answer this, but were all the previous shoutcraft casters paid to be there?
Assuming that thats true, I definitely think that compensating casters is the way to go and I also don't condemn you for deciding to go more solo cast orientated considering that your budget for this event is limited.
The only event that did not have a compensated co-caster was SHOUTcraft America, since everyone there did it for free to support the NA scene.
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would be more happy if it was bw+sc2 rather than starbow and sc:bw since both are still having issues.
I guess it won't be promoting patch 2.1 though haha
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On January 16 2014 14:34 ETisME wrote:
would be more happy if it was bw+sc2 rather than starbow and sc:bw since both are still having issues.
I guess it won't be promoting patch 2.1 though haha
As much as I'd love more foreigner BW leagues than Teamliquid Legacy Starleague and the SBWI Teamleague, I think that its pretty obvious that forcing SC2 teams to play BW or vice-versa is a really terrible idea *cough* KESPA *cough*
Now if anyone actually wants to sponsor a BW league of any scale, I'll love him/her for it and so will everybody else in the Brood War community!
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I have a question for your FAQ - "how can we support this?" (other than with our eyeballs). Specific twitch channel subscription? (and which? yours, MLG's, some new one?).
edit: p.s. I love the individual war format. Avoids the troubles that plauged NASL when a scheduling conflict resulted in a walkover which resulted in a lot of disillusionment and caveats around everyone's scores. Scheduling people who want to be there & can be there seems like a great system.
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I'd like to watch this for the sheer interest I have in watching pro 2v2 matches =P
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On January 16 2014 07:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:Mousesports did not reply to my PMs.
The account on TL is mainly used for announcements, it's barely ever checked. The smoothest way to get our attention is to contact one of our sc2 managers if it's about SC2.
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On January 16 2014 16:51 mouz.Wake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 07:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 07:17 KalWarkov wrote:
no mouz but IvD??? what? Mousesports did not reply to my PMs. The account on TL is mainly used for announcements, it's barely ever checked. The smoothest way to get our attention is to contact one of our sc2 managers if it's about SC2.
Might I suggest you check the most visible account for the team on Teamliquid in future for PMs regularly? Lord knows what you'll miss if you don't 
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I am pretty sure you can find willing amateur cocasters here on TL. Might be risky though because they might not be great, but I am sure if you call out to TL you'll be able to get a bunch of community streams
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Sounds really good, looking forward to this although 10 clanwars per month seem a bit much to me, don't really see 10 viable spots with wcs, pl etc "blocking" nearly every primetime slot of the week once they all started.
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Germany3367 Posts
Wow, great idea and I have to say I am looking forward to it! Keep the awesome work up, TB, you are one of the most innovative minds in our community and have the power to make your ideas reality.
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I really like the 2v2 part! but TB, please inform yourself about proper 2v2 maps so it doesn't end in a complete rushfest like in the PL pre season.
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On January 16 2014 17:24 Swiv wrote:
I really like the 2v2 part! but TB, please inform yourself about proper 2v2 maps so it doesn't end in a complete rushfest like in the PL pre season.
You should probably have a look at the 2v2 map the guys designed for this. It's specifically designed against that very thing.
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On January 16 2014 17:23 RayBeans wrote:Sounds really good, looking forward to this although 10 clanwars per month seem a bit much to me, don't really see 10 viable spots with wcs, pl etc "blocking" nearly every primetime slot of the week once they all started.
With WCS only airing 2 nights a week, we're not gonna have any problems. Proleagues times are completely irrelevant, we'd never cast at 4am EST, we're shooting for US-friendly times here, ideally not too late in the EU either (so looking at around 4-5pm EST or so onwards for a 2-3 hour event). I think you'd be surprised how much easier it's going to be to dodge WCS now that Blizzard got savvy with their saturation.
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Well I'm incredibly excited for this. Much love, TB
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On January 16 2014 09:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered"
It doesn't say which channel will host the vods.
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On January 16 2014 17:38 cfour wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 09:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered" It doesn't say which channel will host the vods.
http://www.youtube.com/totalbiscuit
Also thought I'd show you what happens on Fallen Dreams when you don't get off that bridge in time
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RnUvIYI.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VxzMrSN.jpg)
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What about other arcade maps such as micro tournament?
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On January 16 2014 17:41 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
What about other arcade maps such as micro tournament?
We'd never use those as points earning maps.
However as a pregame show certainly.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
oh god that bridge is brutal
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Those bridges ! There are 6 of them :D
This is an amazing idea btw , i fucking love everything about this tournament.
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On January 16 2014 17:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 17:38 cfour wrote:On January 16 2014 09:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered" It doesn't say which channel will host the vods. http://www.youtube.com/totalbiscuit Also thought I'd show you what happens on Fallen Dreams when you don't get off that bridge in time
Hahahaha awesome!
That might be like the only situation where forcefields might end up being exciting, hahaha! (Protoss forcefields an army and prevents it from leaving the bridge)
I already asked this before, but could you share some map designs that didnt quite make it?
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All the maps here. You can find pics for all of them searching on TL.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On January 16 2014 18:23 IeZaeL wrote:All the maps here. You can find pics for all of them searching on TL. + Show Spoiler +
I add that you can find pics of them on the website in the OP too
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A shame, no open qualifier. Looks like a cool event nontheless!
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On January 16 2014 18:30 Team .SCA wrote:
A shame, no open qualifier. Looks like a cool event nontheless!
It was already mentioned, that there's no need for an open qualifier, because it's no league. These are Clanwars in a rather open environment with teams joining and leaving (If they want to :-P ).
Overall: Great stuff!
Everyone talks about how great it'd be to have some unconventional stuff - and you just do it!
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On January 16 2014 18:23 IeZaeL wrote:All the maps here. You can find pics for all of them searching on TL. + Show Spoiler +
I have seen some of these maps and most of them didnt look neary as crazy in comparison.
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not mousesports (german team), not good-.-
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Teams: cool,cool, great, nice, lol wtf is lvdgaming??2q
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This looks really cool. I especially like the idea of doing it all on non-standard maps. Fuck all the complainers who whenever they see a new map go "THIS FEATURE HERE IS IMBALANCED FOR RACE X" (oh and same for progamer who rather play game #1482 on Bel'Shir Vestige over game #1 on a new map). Fresh is good. If some new non-standard map turns out to be completely broken in some way it will be fixed or removed soon anyway.
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I just wonder will there be any community casters allowed to cover this awsone event.
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There should be a bridge that breaks under the weight of too many units at once, as anti deathball prevention. 
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"This provides a chance for as many players as possible to show their skills while preventing teams with a single star player from running rampant over an entire opposing teams roster."
Cant tell how i love this. Very well done TB!
ATC going the wrong way imho.
At ATC a clan of Maru and four rich bronzeleaguers can win the hole thing. Thats sad...
Again: Very well done!
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On January 16 2014 20:20 Grumbels wrote:There should be a bridge that breaks under the weight of too many units at once, as anti deathball prevention.
Would be amazing if this were possible. Is it?
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On January 16 2014 20:22 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 20:20 Grumbels wrote:There should be a bridge that breaks under the weight of too many units at once, as anti deathball prevention. Would be amazing if this were possible. Is it?
having a trigger that activates a bridge when a certain amount of supply is within an area should be pretty basic
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On January 16 2014 20:55 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 20:22 Goibon wrote:On January 16 2014 20:20 Grumbels wrote:There should be a bridge that breaks under the weight of too many units at once, as anti deathball prevention. Would be amazing if this were possible. Is it? having a trigger that activates a bridge when a certain amount of supply is within an area should be pretty basic
Please.. someone make it happen :o
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why no mouz?
not gonna watch this
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On January 16 2014 22:15 DjHorsi wrote:
why no mouz?
not gonna watch this
You can read the thread. It's explained.
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Really looking forward to this, but hope TB finds co-casters because as much as I love his casting solo-casts are a bit dull
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Good Luck to you TB. Hope it works out! Going to tune in as often as possible. Looking forward to it.
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On January 16 2014 22:17 FFW_Rude wrote:You can read the thread. It's explained.
did read frist 2 pages got no time at the moment to read all 15.
I didnt even expect any answer, just wanted to express that its kinda sad that mouz doenst play there.
Btw: instead writing a clever comment like: "its explained", would be nice if people could either quote that comment or give a hint where to find it
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Sacred path is the only solid looking map. There other ones are non-standard, which is good, but you won't see a good old macro game on them.
I predict that jungle valley will either be an all in fest or a 20 minutes no rush map.
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TB, I would like to say that if Life plays a televised Starbow game because of this, I'm going to love you forever.
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Russian Federation134 Posts
Only Millenium representing Europe? Mouz and Acer would be better choices. Or at least there should have been an open qualifier for a couple of spots. Not sure if I'm gonna watch this.
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On January 16 2014 23:13 DjHorsi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 22:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 16 2014 22:15 DjHorsi wrote:
why no mouz?
not gonna watch this You can read the thread. It's explained. did read frist 2 pages got no time at the moment to read all 15. I didnt even expect any answer, just wanted to express that its kinda sad that mouz doenst play there. Btw: instead writing a clever comment like: "its explained", would be nice if people could either quote that comment or give a hint where to find it
Well.. I gave you a hint. Not a really precise one but it's not a lot of pages.
On January 16 2014 07:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:Mousesports did not reply to my PMs.
When a thread have 15pages you can click "ALL" and the CTRL+F "mouz".
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lol at everyone who whines about team XY not being in the pool.
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On January 16 2014 23:29 robson1 wrote:
lol at everyone who whines about team XY not being in the pool.
Yep since TB apparently even asked KespA teams.
There is a Q&A 2 pages back for those interested
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On January 16 2014 23:25 Enstein wrote:
Only Millenium representing Europe? Mouz and Acer would be better choices. Or at least there should have been an open qualifier for a couple of spots. Not sure if I'm gonna watch this.
Mouz needs to respond to TB when he PMs them offering for them to precipitate.
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Everything that has TB in it is automatically amazing.
I don't even get why he does it, surely sticking to the more popular games on his channel would yield much more moolah.
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On January 16 2014 23:33 SixStrings wrote:
Everything that has TB in it is automatically amazing.
I don't even get why he does it, surely sticking to the more popular games on his channel would yield much more moolah.
I think love and passion are the big factors. I would also hope "money" but i think TB as stated multiple times that he does not get that much from sc2 wich is a shame.
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On January 16 2014 23:17 algue wrote:
Sacred path is the only solid looking map. There other ones are non-standard, which is good, but you won't see a good old macro game on them.
I predict that jungle valley will either be an all in fest or a 20 minutes no rush map.
Either all in or 20min no rush? I can certainly see where you are coming from, but do these two sharp predictions not leave
Plenty of space in between for other things? Players are more creative when given opportunities and I feel like such maps and tournaments are needed - as the bold statements and provocations which they certainly are.
Great opportunity here!
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Would be fun to have a game on original (8)The Hunters
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i am beyond happy that startale is participating in this! i was worried that after GSTL was gone, i wouldn't get to see some of the lesser known players. thank you so much TB, not just for this team league but also for inviting such a great group of teams. <3
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On January 16 2014 21:24 Rasias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 20:55 nkr wrote:On January 16 2014 20:22 Goibon wrote:On January 16 2014 20:20 Grumbels wrote:There should be a bridge that breaks under the weight of too many units at once, as anti deathball prevention. Would be amazing if this were possible. Is it? having a trigger that activates a bridge when a certain amount of supply is within an area should be pretty basic Please.. someone make it happen :o
I can see how this might be implemented. Maybe this will be something to look into further in the near future.
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On January 16 2014 23:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 23:25 Enstein wrote:
Only Millenium representing Europe? Mouz and Acer would be better choices. Or at least there should have been an open qualifier for a couple of spots. Not sure if I'm gonna watch this. Mouz needs to respond to TB when he PMs them offering for them to precipitate.
mYinsanity represents europe, switzerland in particular!
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On January 16 2014 18:36 thezanursic wrote:I have seen some of these maps and most of them didnt look neary as crazy in comparison.
That's becasue he simply linked the maps that were submitted. Honestly a bunch of mapmakers just submitted the maps that they currently had ready. I think only New Pompeii got more polished and finished up for this tournament specifically.
That happened because foreign mapmaking scene was almost dead, we couldn't make new maps in time and we still had quality maps ready that were never used (and still do have some that weren't submitted). Next time we'll have more maps specifically made for this.
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Why no Acer btw`? or are they teaming up with Axiom again?
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China6329 Posts
TB is simply doing everything right. EVERYTHING.
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Great tournament! Can't wait to see it, wish Mouz or Acer was in as well but oh well!
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On January 17 2014 01:02 Cabrera wrote:
Why no Acer btw`? or are they teaming up with Axiom again?
The whole crew died in a plane crash with Day9. Memorial services will be held at ASUS winter.
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Can't say much, on the paper is pretty great.
Now we can only hope the team will be there on time and such (Bad memories from ATC sometimes).
Otherwise cool move by MLG to support such an event, i believe this is the kind of image boost they need to make a comeback.
although i'm not really a broodwar fan seeing some  ForGG vs  Jaedong on starbow would be pretty sick !
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On January 16 2014 19:43 EmSc Tv wrote:
I just wonder will there be any community casters allowed to cover this awsone event.
The event is exclusive to MLG.tv and is only sustainable if it remains that way so no we won't be allowing community casters to participate. The only exception is the Korean casters.
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On January 16 2014 17:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 17:38 cfour wrote:On January 16 2014 09:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered" It doesn't say which channel will host the vods. http://www.youtube.com/totalbiscuit Also thought I'd show you what happens on Fallen Dreams when you don't get off that bridge in time
what's that down there in the second pic
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Concept was cool and majority of it is a great idea, but I think it got a bit too gimmicky with adding starbow and sc2BW in there
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On January 17 2014 05:51 ffadicted wrote:
Concept was cool and majority of it is a great idea, but I think it got a bit too gimmicky with adding starbow and sc2BW in there
There will only be 1 match of it per war so it doesn't matter too much. Also none of the rules are set in stone. Because it is not a league TB is free to change the rules whenever he wants.
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On January 17 2014 05:49 DinosaurPoop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 17:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 16 2014 17:38 cfour wrote:On January 16 2014 09:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
To summarise half of this thread
"I didn't read the website and will post a question the website answered" It doesn't say which channel will host the vods. http://www.youtube.com/totalbiscuit Also thought I'd show you what happens on Fallen Dreams when you don't get off that bridge in time what's that down there in the second pic
It is a Roach. Don't worry that bug has been squashed. These screenshots are from when the mechanic was first up and running without any testing.
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Wait, neutral Terran add-ons on Wrecking Ball specifically placed for cheeses?
dat only TvT map
Also, are the maps available in custom maps for us to play?
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On January 17 2014 06:18 klipik12 wrote:Wait, neutral Terran add-ons on Wrecking Ball specifically placed for cheeses? dat only TvT map Also, are the maps available in custom maps for us to play?
Most of them are available now.
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This is something I will have to watch no matter what.
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On January 17 2014 01:32 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 01:02 Cabrera wrote:
Why no Acer btw`? or are they teaming up with Axiom again? The whole crew died in a plane crash with Day9. Memorial services will be held at ASUS winter.
Don't say that
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Most awesome announce ever! TB for president!
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On January 17 2014 07:11 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 01:32 Squat wrote:On January 17 2014 01:02 Cabrera wrote:
Why no Acer btw`? or are they teaming up with Axiom again? The whole crew died in a plane crash with Day9. Memorial services will be held at ASUS winter. Don't say that
How did you survive? Did you eat Cella?
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This looks incredibly amazing. Can't wait!!! :D
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On January 17 2014 07:46 Xamo wrote:
Most awesome announce ever! TB for president!
I think you mean Prime Minister.
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France9034 Posts
Oh my god it could be really funny!
I love the mindset, esp. with regards to the maps. Indeed, I don't want to see yet another Bel'shir game.....
WE WANT MAPS! (If only I had a clue how to mapmake...)
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On January 17 2014 23:33 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:46 Xamo wrote:
Most awesome announce ever! TB for president! I think you mean Prime Minister.
King Biscuit the First. Has a certain ring to it.
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On January 16 2014 06:39 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 06:37 StutteR wrote:
I wonder how much BW and Starbow they'll incorporate. I can't imagine many players or teams will want to spend time practicing those. The page indicates that we will be using at most 1 of those maps per series. It's also worth noting that many teams have players that literally have nothing else to practice for after being eliminated from WCS, so it's more likely those players will be willing to spend some time with Starbow or SC2BW. Plenty of teams have players that are already playing this maps for fun anyway.
TB have I ever told you that I love you?
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Want me to announce 3 more teams tomorrow?
Of course you do
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On January 20 2014 13:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Want me to announce 3 more teams tomorrow?
Of course you do
You know, I remember on SotG #100 when NonY called you a God. I do not think he was exaggerating.
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~speculation~ Acer, Mouz, Dignitas
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 17 2014 23:33 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:46 Xamo wrote:
Most awesome announce ever! TB for president! I think you mean Prime Minister.
Prime do need more money
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Acer,Mouz and Prime or Empire
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Hopefully Acer is one of the 3 new teams.
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juicyjames
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I'd totally switch my flair to Acer if TL had an Acer flair.
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On January 20 2014 15:30 juicyjames wrote:
I'd totally switch my flair to Acer if TL had an Acer flair.
They do. Its under "Team Acer"
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juicyjames
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On January 20 2014 15:40 StutteR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 15:30 juicyjames wrote:
I'd totally switch my flair to Acer if TL had an Acer flair. They do. Its under "Team Acer"
Well, then!
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Please Prime be one of the 3 teams! Thank you so much for going above and beyond Total Biscuit and Genna Bain. Can always depend on you guys to push the scene forward.
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I'm thinking IM and MVP won't be taking these wars seriously and will likely exclusively field B teamers.
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So TB do you have a date since patch 2.1 was announced ?
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Clarity gaming deserves one spot
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When will this take place btw, I can't seem to find a date...
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On January 20 2014 23:17 Gene(S)is wrote:
When will this take place btw, I can't seem to find a date...
It's when patch 2.1 is released It was written before we knew the realease date (which is tomorrow). So i think really soon. Need to wait for Total Biscuit to announce it.
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They should just call the team "Rossi for Team Captain" and get him to board the train.
I mean, no Rossi to represent down under? The feelings of disappointment...
Still cheering though for the guys from the last place on earth that Skynet will take over, you guys are our childrens hopes and dreams!
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Acer, damn straight. They've got world champions in both SC2 and Starbow, they got this for sure.
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On January 21 2014 08:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:Welcoming 3 more teams to the warIm happy to announce the addition of 3 teams to our roster. Team AcerMousesportsand last but by no means least, the delegation from down-under, an alliance of Australia's best who I am codenaming "Dropbear" until they come up with a real name. Or I might just force them to keep that name. Their lineup is as follows. * PiG* NXZ* KingKong* mOOnGLaDe*  Pezz* Fenner* FIGHTOI disagree and will disagree with anyone who says "X" deserves a spot. Nobody "deserves" a spot, no team has earned one, there are no qualifiers, I pick the teams, it's as simple as that.
Thanks TB.
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On January 21 2014 08:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:Welcoming 3 more teams to the warIm happy to announce the addition of 3 teams to our roster. Team AcerMousesportsand last but by no means least, the delegation from down-under, an alliance of Australia's best who I am codenaming "Dropbear" until they come up with a real name. Or I might just force them to keep that name. Their lineup is as follows. * PiG* NXZ* KingKong* mOOnGLaDe* Pezz* Fenner* FIGHTOI disagree and will disagree with anyone who says "X" deserves a spot. Nobody "deserves" a spot, no team has earned one, there are no qualifiers, I pick the teams, it's as simple as that.
Absolutely awesome, thank you! Acer and mouz joining was all I wanted, this is perfect, I can't wait .
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Aww but congrats to the teams picked. Maybe Prime can join later in the season.
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On January 21 2014 11:47 crimsonlink wrote:
Aww but congrats to the teams picked. Maybe Prime can join later in the season.
We reached out to Prime, they asked a few questions then sorta went silent. I think honestly they're focussed on not being last in Proleague, which to be fair seems to have paid off for them
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
How could the aussi team not get Gimli Terran D:
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Damn I was really hoping for some more ST vs Prime drama. In any case, looking forward to rooting for those Aussies!
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On January 21 2014 08:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:Welcoming 3 more teams to the warIm happy to announce the addition of 3 teams to our roster. Team AcerMousesportsand last but by no means least, the delegation from down-under, an alliance of Australia's best who I am codenaming "Dropbear" until they come up with a real name. Or I might just force them to keep that name. Their lineup is as follows. * PiG* NXZ* KingKong* mOOnGLaDe* Pezz* Fenner* FIGHTOI disagree and will disagree with anyone who says "X" deserves a spot. Nobody "deserves" a spot, no team has earned one, there are no qualifiers, I pick the teams, it's as simple as that.
Now this just became the best foreign clan war!
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Dropbear is a fantastic name! Really glad to see Oceanic players involved!
Also, any news on when the first match will take place? Sometime in February I hope!
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Thought you were saving the team announcements for the show latter tonight.
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mouz and acer? ahwww yisssssss
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wonderful
it's all coming together
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I really want the australian team to stay with the name Team Dropbear
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WE NEED MORE INFO!
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On January 21 2014 08:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:Welcoming 3 more teams to the warIm happy to announce the addition of 3 teams to our roster. Team AcerMousesportsand last but by no means least, the delegation from down-under, an alliance of Australia's best who I am codenaming "Dropbear" until they come up with a real name. Or I might just force them to keep that name. Their lineup is as follows. * PiG* NXZ* KingKong* mOOnGLaDe* Pezz* Fenner* FIGHTOI disagree and will disagree with anyone who says "X" deserves a spot. Nobody "deserves" a spot, no team has earned one, there are no qualifiers, I pick the teams, it's as simple as that.
Clarity Gaming did not request an invite, though we did ask for further clarification with regards to how invitations work. We understand your decision and accept your autonomy to choose the method of replacing teams.
Best of luck with your event, we'll certainly be tuning in.
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Thanks for this. This is absolutely wonderful. Something refreshing and fun.
And if you can force the Australian team to keep the name "Dropbear" then even better
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Aussies forget their most leathal champion, the exclusion of MegaFonzie is sheer lunacy.
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lmao, Clarity does not deserve a spot
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Excellent, thanks TB. Can't wait to see it start, now that 2.1 is out today!
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On January 22 2014 03:49 jtp118 wrote:
lmao, Clarity does not deserve a spot
I agree, they couldn't even beat an academy team (Seed) in a showmatch.
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On January 21 2014 08:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:Welcoming 3 more teams to the warIm happy to announce the addition of 3 teams to our roster. Team AcerMousesportsand last but by no means least, the delegation from down-under, an alliance of Australia's best who I am codenaming "Dropbear" until they come up with a real name. Or I might just force them to keep that name. Their lineup is as follows. * PiG* NXZ* KingKong* mOOnGLaDe* Pezz* Fenner* FIGHTOI disagree and will disagree with anyone who says "X" deserves a spot. Nobody "deserves" a spot, no team has earned one, there are no qualifiers, I pick the teams, it's as simple as that.
Not enough Zergs. I am genuinely surprised to not see Iaguz's name there though, anybody know what's up?
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On January 21 2014 13:06 lichter wrote:
How could the aussi team not get Gimli Terran D:
EDIT: Nevermind, iaguz is on our roster.
On January 21 2014 08:46 Anlo wrote:
They should just call the team "Rossi for Team Captain" and get him to board the train.
I mean, no Rossi to represent down under? The feelings of disappointment...
Rossi has retired from competitive SC2.
On January 22 2014 01:31 brainox wrote:
I really want the australian team to stay with the name Team Dropbear
Unfortunately there is already an organisation called DropBear Gaming in Australia and I'd rather not confuse people. We're gonna go with something a little more appropriate.
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That recent announcement is so great.
And holy fuck, Scarlett's real first name is Sasha?
Could she be any luckier?
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On January 22 2014 06:31 Mintie wrote:
Not enough Zergs. I am genuinely surprised to not see Iaguz's name there though, anybody know what's up?
Australia ladder is all zergs. Their fauna is weird. So lineup is surprisingly diverse.
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iaguz will be added to the Australian roster that will now be named "Team Who?"
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Russian Federation134 Posts
Really great news with this addition of 3 new teams! Thanks TotalBiscuit!
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On January 21 2014 13:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 11:47 crimsonlink wrote:
Aww but congrats to the teams picked. Maybe Prime can join later in the season. We reached out to Prime, they asked a few questions then sorta went silent. I think honestly they're focussed on not being last in Proleague, which to be fair seems to have paid off for them
Prime has changed too much I dont think its a big loss to not have them. What about Fnatic tho?
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On January 22 2014 08:39 LoveTool wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 06:31 Mintie wrote:
Not enough Zergs. I am genuinely surprised to not see Iaguz's name there though, anybody know what's up? Australia ladder is all zergs. Their fauna is weird. So lineup is surprisingly diverse.
ahahaha.. im gonna steal that joke, thats good
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Years from now on, they will ask you, where were you, when TB became the God of all that exists.
Thanks for everything TB, and not only for Starcraft.
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Awesome, can't wait for this to kick off and see some new unique maps! :D
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This is great !!
When do we start?
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Let's make some more cool announcements!
Korean caster
I've mentioned this a few times but didn't make a formal announcement about it. Golden, popular streaming personality and former Startale pro-gamer will be casting Clan Wars in Korean. While the Korean audience may not be as large as other regions, we feel it has been neglected for far too long by foreign events and efforts should be made to reach out to that audience. This is particularly important as Korean teams often have Korean sponsors which require ROI from the regional audience in order to be satisfied. Golden was recently outfitted with new audio equipment to assist him in this venture.
Partnership with Day[9]tv and Huskystarcraft
To give maximum possible exposure and value to our teams, SHOUTcraft Clan Wars has partnered with Day[9]TV and Huskystarcraft, the two biggest names in replay casting, to cover select games from Clan Wars. Day[9] will have access to all of our replays as source material for his dailies while Husky will be able to take his pick for his popular replays casts on his Youtube channel. We feel that the addition of these two additional exposure channels alongside the livestream and VoDs on the TotalBiscuit Starcraft channel will provide huge value to the teams and their sponsors.
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On January 23 2014 05:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Let's make some more cool announcements!
Korean caster
I've mentioned this a few times but didn't make a formal announcement about it. Golden, popular streaming personality and former Startale pro-gamer will be casting Clan Wars in Korean. While the Korean audience may not be as large as other regions, we feel it has been neglected for far too long by foreign events and efforts should be made to reach out to that audience. This is particularly important as Korean teams often have Korean sponsors which require ROI from the regional audience in order to be satisfied. Golden was recently outfitted with new audio equipment to assist him in this venture.
Partnership with Day[9]tv and Huskystarcraft
To give maximum possible exposure and value to our teams, SHOUTcraft Clan Wars has partnered with Day[9]TV and Huskystarcraft, the two biggest names in replay casting, to cover select games from Clan Wars. Day[9] will have access to all of our replays as source material for his dailies while Husky will be able to take his pick for his popular replays casts on his Youtube channel. We feel that the addition of these two additional exposure channels alongside the livestream and VoDs on the TotalBiscuit Starcraft channel will provide huge value to the teams and their sponsors.
On Unfiltered you mentioned possibly having ToD as cocaster? Any legs to this?
Great work by the way, I am so excited for these Clan Wars.
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On January 23 2014 06:58 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Let's make some more cool announcements!
Korean caster
I've mentioned this a few times but didn't make a formal announcement about it. Golden, popular streaming personality and former Startale pro-gamer will be casting Clan Wars in Korean. While the Korean audience may not be as large as other regions, we feel it has been neglected for far too long by foreign events and efforts should be made to reach out to that audience. This is particularly important as Korean teams often have Korean sponsors which require ROI from the regional audience in order to be satisfied. Golden was recently outfitted with new audio equipment to assist him in this venture.
Partnership with Day[9]tv and Huskystarcraft
To give maximum possible exposure and value to our teams, SHOUTcraft Clan Wars has partnered with Day[9]TV and Huskystarcraft, the two biggest names in replay casting, to cover select games from Clan Wars. Day[9] will have access to all of our replays as source material for his dailies while Husky will be able to take his pick for his popular replays casts on his Youtube channel. We feel that the addition of these two additional exposure channels alongside the livestream and VoDs on the TotalBiscuit Starcraft channel will provide huge value to the teams and their sponsors. On Unfiltered you mentioned possibly having ToD as cocaster? Any legs to this? Great work by the way, I am so excited for these Clan Wars.
I'd absolutely love to have ToD co-cast with me for some of the Clan Wars. That said considering we're going on at a US friendly time it might not work out so well for his sleeping schedule, we'll see.
I'm absolutely happy to have pro-players with good mics on as analytical co-casters for this stuff, I just can't offer them any money because we're running this on a paper-thin margin, assuming we make any profit on it at all.
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Petraeus? More like BETRAY US!
Petraeus has bailed on ROOT and decided to join Team Who? and his downunder brethren for the Clan Wars. This does not mean he has left ROOT btw.
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Am I the only one imitating TB's voice while reading his posts ?
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That is just perfect. And more and more perfect.
If i understood right :
- Total Biscuit will cast all games.
- Day[9] Will cast games on his channel how he want to (so there can be duplicates. Like you can see the game cast by Day[9] OR total biscuit). And same with Husky ?
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On January 23 2014 05:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Korean caster
I've mentioned this a few times but didn't make a formal announcement about it. Golden, popular streaming personality and former Startale pro-gamer will be casting Clan Wars in Korean. While the Korean audience may not be as large as other regions, we feel it has been neglected for far too long by foreign events and efforts should be made to reach out to that audience. This is particularly important as Korean teams often have Korean sponsors which require ROI from the regional audience in order to be satisfied. Golden was recently outfitted with new audio equipment to assist him in this venture.
Golden is just so awesome, ever since leaving ST he's gone out of his way to get more involved with the foreign fans and has created fun tournaments like the APM league and also other events in his initiative like the save Hyun matches, It's quite obvious he really does love this game, pretty sad we're going to lose him to the Korean military at the end of the year.
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On January 23 2014 05:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Korean caster
I've mentioned this a few times but didn't make a formal announcement about it. Golden, popular streaming personality and former Startale pro-gamer will be casting Clan Wars in Korean. While the Korean audience may not be as large as other regions, we feel it has been neglected for far too long by foreign events and efforts should be made to reach out to that audience. This is particularly important as Korean teams often have Korean sponsors which require ROI from the regional audience in order to be satisfied. Golden was recently outfitted with new audio equipment to assist him in this venture.
Personally I think that this is a really smart and intelligent move, I'd never thought about that.
Also, he's a fun guy and I'll check his stream to watch him cast in korean >_>
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What I meant with that "Clarity deserves a spot" Is that an upcoming NA team with team house etc really need the exposure to keep exsisting as a team. More teams surviving the better !
(I also love underdogs) :D
Also hands down to TB for all the awesome SC2 content you bring us!
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We as the starcraft community are extremely lucky to have someone with the resources, connections and passion to pull stuff like like this off. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside.
I love you TB, no homo. (well maybe a little)
Keep up the awesome work!
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I am renaming this tournament to the "Fuck Daedalus Point Tournament"
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On January 25 2014 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I am renaming this tournament to the "Fuck Daedalus Point Tournament"
Lol, why?
Is it a bad map, yes! But you are kind of the one who is the proponent of crazy maps.
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On January 25 2014 01:04 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I am renaming this tournament to the "Fuck Daedalus Point Tournament" Lol, why? Is it a bad map, yes! But you are kind of the one who is the proponent of crazy maps.
Daedalus isn't a crazy map it's just a plain bad map. It's also worth noting that crazy maps in Proleague formats work well. Crazy maps in non-vetoable BO3 environments do not
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On January 25 2014 01:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:04 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I am renaming this tournament to the "Fuck Daedalus Point Tournament" Lol, why? Is it a bad map, yes! But you are kind of the one who is the proponent of crazy maps. Daedalus isn't a crazy map it's just a plain bad map. It's also worth noting that crazy maps in Proleague formats work well. Crazy maps in non-vetoable BO3 environments do not
Yeah, I guess you have a point, but I rather take the non-partisan desrow approach, give every map a chance no matter how BROKEN, IMBALANCED. I truthfully haven't seen to many games on Daedalus Point because coincidentally your Clan wars is one of the only tournaments I'm hyped up about these days, but I've seen more than enough Crazy borderline retarded maps in Brood War work out resonably better than you'd expect to just throw out a concept right away ( - like Tears of Moon, DMZ, Battle Royal maybe it's one of those maps where it's literally just broken)
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/201_Battle%20Royal.jpg) TvZ: 4-10 (28.6%) ZvP: 4-5 (44.4%) PvT: 0-0 (0%) Mirrors: 0 TvT | 71 ZvZ | 1 PvP Note the 77 ZvZs
AGAIN I haven't actually seen more than 2-3 games on that map so I might be talking out of my ass.
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Daedalus Point: The map less desirable than one where lava erupts every five minutes.
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On January 25 2014 01:14 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 25 2014 01:04 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I am renaming this tournament to the "Fuck Daedalus Point Tournament" Lol, why? Is it a bad map, yes! But you are kind of the one who is the proponent of crazy maps. Daedalus isn't a crazy map it's just a plain bad map. It's also worth noting that crazy maps in Proleague formats work well. Crazy maps in non-vetoable BO3 environments do not Yeah, I guess you have a point, but I rather take the non-partisan desrow approach, give every map a chance no matter how BROKEN, IMBALANCED. I truthfully haven't seen to many games on Daedalus Point because coincidentally your Clan wars is one of the only tournaments I'm hyped up about these days, but I've seen more than enough Crazy borderline retarded maps in Brood War work out resonably better than you'd expect to just throw out a concept right away ( - like Tears of Moon, DMZ, Battle Royal maybe it's one of those maps where it's literally just broken) + Show Spoiler +TvZ: 4-10 (28.6%) ZvP: 4-5 (44.4%) PvT: 0-0 (0%) Mirrors: 0 TvT | 71 ZvZ | 1 PvP Note the 77 ZvZs Is it this broken? AGAIN I haven't actually seen more than 2-3 games on that map so I might be talking out of my ass.
Well thus far according to TLPD, Terran have 0% winrate on that map against Protoss in GSL Code A and only 25% winrate against Zerg. The sample size is not large enough yet but it was certainly large enough for many Terran to lose their shot at Code S
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On January 25 2014 01:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:14 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 25 2014 01:04 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I am renaming this tournament to the "Fuck Daedalus Point Tournament" Lol, why? Is it a bad map, yes! But you are kind of the one who is the proponent of crazy maps. Daedalus isn't a crazy map it's just a plain bad map. It's also worth noting that crazy maps in Proleague formats work well. Crazy maps in non-vetoable BO3 environments do not Yeah, I guess you have a point, but I rather take the non-partisan desrow approach, give every map a chance no matter how BROKEN, IMBALANCED. I truthfully haven't seen to many games on Daedalus Point because coincidentally your Clan wars is one of the only tournaments I'm hyped up about these days, but I've seen more than enough Crazy borderline retarded maps in Brood War work out resonably better than you'd expect to just throw out a concept right away ( - like Tears of Moon, DMZ, Battle Royal maybe it's one of those maps where it's literally just broken) + Show Spoiler +TvZ: 4-10 (28.6%) ZvP: 4-5 (44.4%) PvT: 0-0 (0%) Mirrors: 0 TvT | 71 ZvZ | 1 PvP Note the 77 ZvZs Is it this broken? AGAIN I haven't actually seen more than 2-3 games on that map so I might be talking out of my ass. Well thus far according to TLPD, Terran have 0% winrate on that map against Protoss in GSL Code A and only 25% winrate against Zerg. The sample size is not large enough yet but it was certainly large enough for many Terran to lose their shot at Code S
Flash... How far the mighty have fallen. Still can't believe this is the guy who literally had a 75% winrate for 40 consecutive months.
I'm personally fine with the KESPA switch, it was eventual, hurt, but I'm ok now , I'm fine with how things currently are with Sonic and SOSPA, but I'm kind of sad Flash didn't retire, people might hate on me for this, but Flash was literally God in Brood War and when the switch happened I just knew that however good he was he'd never compare to his Brood War self.
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On January 25 2014 01:22 thezanursic wrote:
This is quite irrelevant to this thread. You are just going to get flame for nothing. You might want to edit that post.
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On January 25 2014 01:28 FFW_Rude wrote:This is quite irrelevant to this thread. You are just going to get flame for nothing. You might want to edit that post.
It's an opinion.
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Gotta get TB to finally announce some dates once he gets back from his metal cruise.
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On February 01 2014 07:13 thezanursic wrote:
Gotta get TB to finally announce some dates once he gets back from his metal cruise.
He is on a metal cruise? :D I'm so jealous :D
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On February 01 2014 07:24 Niko_Thien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 07:13 thezanursic wrote:
Gotta get TB to finally announce some dates once he gets back from his metal cruise. He is on a metal cruise? :D I'm so jealous :D
I believe its called 70000 tons of metal or smt.
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On January 25 2014 01:22 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 25 2014 01:14 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 25 2014 01:04 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I am renaming this tournament to the "Fuck Daedalus Point Tournament" Lol, why? Is it a bad map, yes! But you are kind of the one who is the proponent of crazy maps. Daedalus isn't a crazy map it's just a plain bad map. It's also worth noting that crazy maps in Proleague formats work well. Crazy maps in non-vetoable BO3 environments do not Yeah, I guess you have a point, but I rather take the non-partisan desrow approach, give every map a chance no matter how BROKEN, IMBALANCED. I truthfully haven't seen to many games on Daedalus Point because coincidentally your Clan wars is one of the only tournaments I'm hyped up about these days, but I've seen more than enough Crazy borderline retarded maps in Brood War work out resonably better than you'd expect to just throw out a concept right away ( - like Tears of Moon, DMZ, Battle Royal maybe it's one of those maps where it's literally just broken) + Show Spoiler +TvZ: 4-10 (28.6%) ZvP: 4-5 (44.4%) PvT: 0-0 (0%) Mirrors: 0 TvT | 71 ZvZ | 1 PvP Note the 77 ZvZs Is it this broken? AGAIN I haven't actually seen more than 2-3 games on that map so I might be talking out of my ass. Well thus far according to TLPD, Terran have 0% winrate on that map against Protoss in GSL Code A and only 25% winrate against Zerg. The sample size is not large enough yet but it was certainly large enough for many Terran to lose their shot at Code S Flash... How far the mighty have fallen. Still can't believe this is the guy who literally had a 75% winrate for 40 consecutive months. I'm personally fine with the KESPA switch, it was eventual, hurt, but I'm ok now , I'm fine with how things currently are with Sonic and SOSPA, but I'm kind of sad Flash didn't retire, people might hate on me for this, but Flash was literally God in Brood War and when the switch happened I just knew that however good he was he'd never compare to his Brood War self.
can we not do this to this thread?
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On February 01 2014 07:41 partydude89 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:22 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 25 2014 01:14 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 25 2014 01:04 thezanursic wrote:On January 25 2014 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I am renaming this tournament to the "Fuck Daedalus Point Tournament" Lol, why? Is it a bad map, yes! But you are kind of the one who is the proponent of crazy maps. Daedalus isn't a crazy map it's just a plain bad map. It's also worth noting that crazy maps in Proleague formats work well. Crazy maps in non-vetoable BO3 environments do not Yeah, I guess you have a point, but I rather take the non-partisan desrow approach, give every map a chance no matter how BROKEN, IMBALANCED. I truthfully haven't seen to many games on Daedalus Point because coincidentally your Clan wars is one of the only tournaments I'm hyped up about these days, but I've seen more than enough Crazy borderline retarded maps in Brood War work out resonably better than you'd expect to just throw out a concept right away ( - like Tears of Moon, DMZ, Battle Royal maybe it's one of those maps where it's literally just broken) + Show Spoiler +TvZ: 4-10 (28.6%) ZvP: 4-5 (44.4%) PvT: 0-0 (0%) Mirrors: 0 TvT | 71 ZvZ | 1 PvP Note the 77 ZvZs Is it this broken? AGAIN I haven't actually seen more than 2-3 games on that map so I might be talking out of my ass. Well thus far according to TLPD, Terran have 0% winrate on that map against Protoss in GSL Code A and only 25% winrate against Zerg. The sample size is not large enough yet but it was certainly large enough for many Terran to lose their shot at Code S Flash... How far the mighty have fallen. Still can't believe this is the guy who literally had a 75% winrate for 40 consecutive months. I'm personally fine with the KESPA switch, it was eventual, hurt, but I'm ok now , I'm fine with how things currently are with Sonic and SOSPA, but I'm kind of sad Flash didn't retire, people might hate on me for this, but Flash was literally God in Brood War and when the switch happened I just knew that however good he was he'd never compare to his Brood War self. can we not do this to this thread?
Its a week old. You are the one bringimg it up.
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On February 01 2014 07:13 thezanursic wrote:
Gotta get TB to finally announce some dates once he gets back from his metal cruise.
I'm back. I can't announce dates for certain but it's my intent to begin mid february.
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On February 02 2014 01:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 07:13 thezanursic wrote:
Gotta get TB to finally announce some dates once he gets back from his metal cruise. I'm back. I can't announce dates for certain but it's my intent to begin mid february.
Welcome back, hope it was fun
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ShoutCraft <3 TB <3 Genna <3
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At last ! This is really cool. Hope i can follow this as well as proleague.
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