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WombaT
Northern Ireland27230 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 05 2013 02:21 FakePseudo wrote: The very fact that you associate Symbol with roaches and baneling all-ins really shows how much you know about the rise of symbol. You can hate the symbol from both periods, but he def once was top3 Zerg and top5 overall I'm exaggerating, but let's face it, he all ins A LOT more than your typical zerg player. And his mechanics are really behind the best zergs imo. Well maybe I'm too harsh, I would agree that even now he's probably top 5 zergs haha. But his playstyle is ugly :/ | ||
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Swiipii
2195 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:25 ZenithM wrote: I'm exaggerating, but let's face it, he all ins A LOT more than your typical zerg player. And his mechanics are really behind the best zergs imo. Well maybe I'm too harsh, I would agree that even now he's probably top 5 zergs haha. But his playstyle is ugly :/ You have no clue. He just went toe to toe with Taeja @HSC ffs (who destroyed Life). And his mechanics are actually pretty good (at the HOTS release he kept himself in Code S while Life, Leenock and DRG all fall out). He also was the only Zerg with Soulkey to reach the quaterfinals of season 2 WCS KR. Granted he doesn't seem in the best shape at the moment but he's still one of the very best Zerg out there. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:59 Swiipii wrote: You have no clue. He just went toe to toe with Taeja @HSC ffs (who destroyed Life). And his mechanics are actually pretty good (at the HOTS release he kept himself in Code S while Life, Leenock and DRG all fall out). He also was the only Zerg with Soulkey to reach the quaterfinals of season 2 WCS KR. Granted he doesn't seem in the best shape at the moment but he's still one of the very best Zerg out there. Thank you for enlightening me. I'll be sure to like his playstyle in the future. | ||
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FakePseudo
Belgium716 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:25 ZenithM wrote: I'm exaggerating, but let's face it, he all ins A LOT more than your typical zerg player. And his mechanics are really behind the best zergs imo. Well maybe I'm too harsh, I would agree that even now he's probably top 5 zergs haha. But his playstyle is ugly :/ Ok, just to make sure we're clear here, I'm arguing about symbol having a strong legacy and the fact that there was a very good reason for him to be hyped at the beginning of HoTS. If you understand that but still think that symbol is a one trick cheesy pony with mediocre mechanics and late game to back it up, than I suggest you watch Iron Squid I, 2012 GSTL II and the GSLs around that period. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:11 FakePseudo wrote: Ok, just to make sure we're clear here, I'm arguing about symbol having a strong legacy and the fact that there was a very good reason for him to be hyped at the beginning of HoTS. If you understand that but still think that symbol is a one trick cheesy pony with mediocre mechanics and late game to back it up, than I suggest you watch Iron Squid I, 2012 GSTL II and the GSLs around that period. LOL. If there is one thing that I remember, that's Symbol roach rushing MKP 3 times in a row at Iron Squid I. Not a very good souvenir  . But he promptly lost to MMA, so that makes up for it I guess.In all seriousness though: yes, Symbol is good, I'll give you that. But I find it natural that he gets demolished by Rain (especially in a metagame momentum I would consider favorable to Protoss), it doesn't surprise me in the slightest, and sorry if you all disagree. I've been following SC2 for a pretty long time, so it's useless to just quote Symbol's Liquipedia page, I'm aware of his achievements :D | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:23 ZenithM wrote: LOL. If there is one thing that I remember, that's Symbol roach rushing MKP 3 times in a row at Iron Squid I. Not a very good souvenir .In all seriousness though: yes, Symbol is good, I'll give you that. But I find it natural that he gets demolished by Rain, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest, and sorry if you all disagree. I've been following SC2 for a pretty long time, so it's useless to just quote Symbol's Liquipedia page, I'm aware of his achievements :D When he was on TSL all TSL zergs could make crazy and unique builds to win it was so fun to watch and Symbol along with HyuN had a great success with such crazy builds (roach drops, nyduses for expanding, hydra, roach based builds in WoL) and this made Symbol very popular but in HotS and now when he is on AZUBU he can not surprise and play with such style that is why people start to kinda stop liking him as they have done. And people stop saying this Top and best in the world things it does not say anything at all. I know 50+ players in Korea that can win anyone. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:23 ZenithM wrote: LOL. If there is one thing that I remember, that's Symbol roach rushing MKP 3 times in a row at Iron Squid I. Not a very good souvenir . But he promptly lost to MMA, so that makes up for it I guess.In all seriousness though: yes, Symbol is good, I'll give you that. But I find it natural that he gets demolished by Rain (especially in a metagame momentum I would consider favorable to Protoss), it doesn't surprise me in the slightest, and sorry if you all disagree. I've been following SC2 for a pretty long time, so it's useless to just quote Symbol's Liquipedia page, I'm aware of his achievements :D I'm a pretty big Symbol fan, but I won't jump on the train of giving you shit for your opinions on Symbol. Do I think he's a top 5 Zerg? Probably. Do I think he's as good as Soulkey? Hell no. First off he's a very different player. Symbol sure loves his roaches, in all three matchups. People not liking his style is valid. I think his mechanics really are excellent, but he doesn't show it as much with the muta/ling/bane style (when he does it is actually damn good). But your opinions are your own and RESPECT it people!  | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:24 Wombat_NI wrote: If a player like Symbol isn't considered good, who is? Starcraft is becoming like MMA, no one is good, everyone is overrated and just a result of hype. It is a pretty good way to deflect balance concerns though. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:37 Squat wrote: Starcraft is becoming like MMA, no one is good, everyone is overrated and just a result of hype. It is a pretty good way to deflect balance concerns though. I would put it like this: there are no bad players in Korea. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:37 Squat wrote: Starcraft is becoming like MMA, no one is good, everyone is overrated and just a result of hype. It is a pretty good way to deflect balance concerns though. I don't see what all this has to do with balance. My dislike of Symbol goes way back and has known periods of Zerg, Terran and Protoss (? :D) dominance. | ||
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Ben-
United Kingdom210 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:45 ZenithM wrote: I don't see what all this has to do with balance. My dislike of Symbol goes way back and has known periods of Zerg, Terran and Protoss (? :D) dominance. It's was just a note on the fact that every balance issue in SC2 was initially blamed on players just doing it wrong or being bad, even when the game was blatantly broken. When this is always used as an excuse or a way to discredit a player after a loss, we end up with a situation where, according to the community, every single player is just empty hype. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:57 Ben- wrote: how are the vods? or should i prepare to be spoiled The VODs are splited on Twitch so you will spoil the number of games and its length | ||
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caznitch
Canada645 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:21 DiMano wrote: The VODs are splited on Twitch so you will spoil the number of games and its length Ya... I'm super not impressed they switched over. I'm hoping they get their shit together for 2014 and fix this. Overall I though the games we're mehish. No surprising play (unless you count surprisingly bad mistake) and usually one sided. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:25 PVJ wrote: Man, I totally forgot about these. Is there a place to watch VODs, now with GOM experiencing change? Is there any match worth watching to begin with?  RorO vs  Dear game 3 and it was nice from RorO after he lost game 1 he read his opponent and won game 2 with a counter strategy it was cute from strategic point of view and game 3 was the best on this day for me. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:07 Markwerf wrote: where can I see the vods of this? They're on the Twitch channel that's listed in the OP, behind a paywall. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:24 Wombat_NI wrote: If a player like Symbol isn't considered good, who is? Dear and Rain! Protoss powerhouses  But yeah, Symbol's good. Kinda flaky though... more than capable of kicking ass, but not super dependable recently. He's having a tough time rolling with the top top top players. | ||
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