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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#661
On November 24 2013 05:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
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On November 24 2013 05:04 Muffloe wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:57 Muffloe wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:54 lolfail9001 wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:53 Muffloe wrote:
Playing against Bomber in games like these must be brutal

But Parting won, what is the problem?

I mean, playing against the brute force style backed up by that macro. And are you sure parting won?

Well, i forgot to look at amount of probes and units he had against Bomber, my bad. And yes, i have seen this style like 300 times already. Check some ForGG's TvPs even during WCS S1 pre-nerf.

Of course,I aknowledge the ForGGvP style aswell. I guess you could put them in the same TvP family kinda.

The only difference between typical ForGG vP and the 1st game was amount of scvs pulled (okay, lack of mass expanding too).
Bomber's TvP is simply Bomber's TvP, he is his own family.

Well, I can agree with that
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#662
On November 24 2013 05:06 d00p wrote:
Isn't soultrain/immortal all-in an ZvP build perfected by Parting? This is PvT. WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!


Choo... choo....?
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 20:07:33
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#663
On November 24 2013 05:05 TeeTS wrote:
From the layout, CK might be hugely terran favored, if Protoss doesn´t Blink Allin...?


As far as I remember, that map was better for protoss in TvP
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#664
On November 24 2013 05:06 d00p wrote:
Isn't soultrain/immortal all-in an ZvP build perfected by Parting? This is PvT. WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!

They are not zerg players, they have no clue what is immortal all-in. But they know that PartinG used to do soul train.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#665
On November 24 2013 05:06 DJHelium wrote:
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On November 24 2013 05:05 TeeTS wrote:
From the layout, CK might be hugely terran favored, if Protoss doesn´t Blink Allin...?


Wasn't it nicknamed "protoss kingdom"? Very hard to drop on this map and lots of nice chokes to engage in.


without medivac speed, yes. But I think with the booster, you can abuse the expansion layout massively.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#666
On November 24 2013 05:06 pmp10 wrote:
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On November 24 2013 05:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:01 pmp10 wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:00 Destructicon wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:58 TeeTS wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:57 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i like bombers composition i think it can work pretty decent if the toss doesn't go quick colossus


It works only, if the protoss attacks into the terran with pure zealot. It does not work well in any other case!


Its a good counter to chargelot archon and templar, clearly that the losses Bomber took from sOs stung and he wanted to rectify it.

It's not a good counter to archon/templar.
Casters are over-hyping things as usual.


i think you are wrong, explain yourself. the blueflame hellbats will own the zealots leaving your bio to do way more dps to the rest of the army.

Nobody is questioning that they are good against chargelots but they take extra damage from archons and are too slow to effectively dodge storms.


They have tons of HP, a storm won't kill them directly and after that they can be healed back up. And even if they die, what matters is that they obliterate the chargelots first.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#667
On November 24 2013 05:04 Destructicon wrote:
I wonder why everyone is assuming its going to be a soul train when this is actually a brilliant map for blink all-ins.


I wonder why everyone is assuming a soul train when it is a PvT...
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#668
That map is so good! Come back to the ladder!
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 20:08:12
November 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#669
On November 24 2013 05:05 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 05:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:01 pmp10 wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:00 Destructicon wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:58 TeeTS wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:57 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i like bombers composition i think it can work pretty decent if the toss doesn't go quick colossus


It works only, if the protoss attacks into the terran with pure zealot. It does not work well in any other case!


Its a good counter to chargelot archon and templar, clearly that the losses Bomber took from sOs stung and he wanted to rectify it.

It's not a good counter to archon/templar.
Casters are over-hyping things as usual.


i think you are wrong, explain yourself. the blueflame hellbats will own the zealots leaving your bio to do way more dps to the rest of the army.


But you have no answer to the storm, and unlike bio, hellbats can't dodge and they maybe don't die as fast as marines but they are not that good against storm as TB thinks.


Hellbat-marauder is quite sturdy against storm. What ForGG does is that he almost never fights head on, instead going mass medivac and drops in each of the three bases simultaneously.

Hellbat-marauder trades very well in smaller scale battles.


I keep hearing about ForGGs hellbats but ive watched his stream alot during the last couple of weeks and he always plays very standard vP. Sometimes he mixes in hellbats in the lategame but thats about it.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#670
CK was a great map because it was balanced. Each race has strengths and weaknesses on it. The layout is awesome too.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#671
On November 24 2013 05:05 Shellshock wrote:
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On November 24 2013 05:01 Shellshock wrote:
[RBBG] New York Day 1
[image loading] (T)Bomber vs. [image loading] (P)PartinG
Game 2 (1-0)
Map: Cloud Kingdom

0:00
Bomber spawns in the bottom left
PartinG spawns in the top right

1:40
rax first for Bomber
gateway first for PartinG

2:00
double gas for PartinG
cybernetics core for PartinG

3:00
CC on the low ground for Bomber
zealot for PartinG
another rax for Bomber
MSC for PartinG

4:00
scv of Bomber delaying the nexus of PartinG
3rd rax for Bomber
nexus for PartinG
stalker for PartinG
bunker in the natural for Bomber

5:00
Robo for PartinG
gas for Bomber
another stalker for PartinG
forge for PartinG
stalker scouts the bunker and CC of Bomber in the natural
observer for PartinG
ebay for Bomber

6:00
tech lab for Bomber
2 more gas for PartinG
+1 armor for PartinG
stim research started for Bomber
another gas for Bomber
Twilight council for PartinG

7:00 54 vs 51
2nd observer for PartinG
missile turret for bomber
another gate for PartinG
factory for Bomber
2 more gas for Bomber
another gate for PartinG

8:00 65 vs 60
+1 attack started for Bomber
Templar archives for PartinG
Starport for Bomber
charge research started for PartinG
Warp prism for PartinG

9:00 75 vs 67
storm research started for PartinG
3rd CC for Bomber
armory for Bomber
2nd factory for Bomber
4 more gates for PartinG
+2 armor for PartinG
medivac production started for Bomber

10:00 87 vs 73
Observer scouts the main of Bomber and sees everything
3rd base for PartinG
hellbat production started for Bomber
+1 vehicle weapons for Bomber
another rax for Bomber
medivac of Bomber scouts the warp prism
+2 weapons for bomber
storm drop in the natural of Bomber
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simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
November 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#672
hmm lag!
byah!
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
November 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#673
On November 24 2013 05:07 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 05:06 d00p wrote:
Isn't soultrain/immortal all-in an ZvP build perfected by Parting? This is PvT. WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!

They are not zerg players, they have no clue what is immortal all-in. But they know that PartinG used to do soul train.


Isn't Wheat supposed to play Z?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#674
On November 24 2013 05:07 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 05:05 DJHelium wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:01 pmp10 wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:00 Destructicon wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:58 TeeTS wrote:
On November 24 2013 04:57 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i like bombers composition i think it can work pretty decent if the toss doesn't go quick colossus


It works only, if the protoss attacks into the terran with pure zealot. It does not work well in any other case!


Its a good counter to chargelot archon and templar, clearly that the losses Bomber took from sOs stung and he wanted to rectify it.

It's not a good counter to archon/templar.
Casters are over-hyping things as usual.


i think you are wrong, explain yourself. the blueflame hellbats will own the zealots leaving your bio to do way more dps to the rest of the army.


But you have no answer to the storm, and unlike bio, hellbats can't dodge and they maybe don't die as fast as marines but they are not that good against storm as TB thinks.


Hellbat-marauder is quite sturdy against storm. What ForGG does is that he almost never fights head on, instead going mass medivac and drops in each of the three bases simultaneously.

Hellbat-marauder trades very well in smaller scale battles.


I keep hearing about ForGGs hellbats but ive watched his stream alot during the last couple of weeks and he always plays very standard. Sometimes he mixes in hellbats in the lategame but thats about it.

Find his game against HerO on Choke City at ATC S1 finals. IIRC after this game Harstem and Co were joking about ForGG claiming it was to become new meta (no ghosts).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
November 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#675
On November 24 2013 05:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 05:04 Destructicon wrote:
I wonder why everyone is assuming its going to be a soul train when this is actually a brilliant map for blink all-ins.


I wonder why everyone is assuming a soul train when it is a PvT...


Well, I have seen Immortal busts in PvT as well.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32749 Posts
November 23 2013 20:09 GMT
#676
Good old PartinG Psi Storm drops.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 23 2013 20:09 GMT
#677
Is that Nexus off one pixel to the left?
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 23 2013 20:09 GMT
#678
Can the commentators stop being idiots for a second and realize this is PvT and the soul train only works in PvZ. If Parting tried it, it would fail miserably.
QO Feasting
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 23 2013 20:09 GMT
#679
On November 24 2013 05:08 d00p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 05:07 lolfail9001 wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:06 d00p wrote:
Isn't soultrain/immortal all-in an ZvP build perfected by Parting? This is PvT. WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!

They are not zerg players, they have no clue what is immortal all-in. But they know that PartinG used to do soul train.


Isn't Wheat supposed to play Z?

He plays on KR server? It is only server i can see him meeting immortal all-ins at his level of play nowadays.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
November 23 2013 20:09 GMT
#680
On November 24 2013 05:08 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 05:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:
On November 24 2013 05:04 Destructicon wrote:
I wonder why everyone is assuming its going to be a soul train when this is actually a brilliant map for blink all-ins.


I wonder why everyone is assuming a soul train when it is a PvT...


Well, I have seen Immortal busts in PvT as well.

but it is not the soul train parting invented, tb is a bit off or smth
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