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On November 24 2013 05:05 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:04 Muffloe wrote:On November 24 2013 04:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 24 2013 04:57 Muffloe wrote:On November 24 2013 04:54 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 24 2013 04:53 Muffloe wrote: Playing against Bomber in games like these must be brutal But Parting won, what is the problem? I mean, playing against the brute force style backed up by that macro. And are you sure parting won?  Well, i forgot to look at amount of probes and units he had against Bomber, my bad. And yes, i have seen this style like 300 times already. Check some ForGG's TvPs even during WCS S1 pre-nerf. Of course,I aknowledge the ForGGvP style aswell. I guess you could put them in the same TvP family kinda. The only difference between typical ForGG vP and the 1st game was amount of scvs pulled (okay, lack of mass expanding too). Bomber's TvP is simply Bomber's TvP, he is his own family. Well, I can agree with that
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On November 24 2013 05:06 d00p wrote: Isn't soultrain/immortal all-in an ZvP build perfected by Parting? This is PvT. WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!
Choo... choo....?
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On November 24 2013 05:05 TeeTS wrote: From the layout, CK might be hugely terran favored, if Protoss doesn´t Blink Allin...?
As far as I remember, that map was better for protoss in TvP
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 24 2013 05:06 d00p wrote: Isn't soultrain/immortal all-in an ZvP build perfected by Parting? This is PvT. WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?! They are not zerg players, they have no clue what is immortal all-in. But they know that PartinG used to do soul train.
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On November 24 2013 05:06 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:05 TeeTS wrote: From the layout, CK might be hugely terran favored, if Protoss doesn´t Blink Allin...? Wasn't it nicknamed "protoss kingdom"? Very hard to drop on this map and lots of nice chokes to engage in.
without medivac speed, yes. But I think with the booster, you can abuse the expansion layout massively.
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On November 24 2013 05:06 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:On November 24 2013 05:01 pmp10 wrote:On November 24 2013 05:00 Destructicon wrote:On November 24 2013 04:58 TeeTS wrote:On November 24 2013 04:57 EleanorRIgby wrote: i like bombers composition i think it can work pretty decent if the toss doesn't go quick colossus It works only, if the protoss attacks into the terran with pure zealot. It does not work well in any other case! Its a good counter to chargelot archon and templar, clearly that the losses Bomber took from sOs stung and he wanted to rectify it. It's not a good counter to archon/templar. Casters are over-hyping things as usual. i think you are wrong, explain yourself. the blueflame hellbats will own the zealots leaving your bio to do way more dps to the rest of the army. Nobody is questioning that they are good against chargelots but they take extra damage from archons and are too slow to effectively dodge storms.
They have tons of HP, a storm won't kill them directly and after that they can be healed back up. And even if they die, what matters is that they obliterate the chargelots first.
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On November 24 2013 05:04 Destructicon wrote: I wonder why everyone is assuming its going to be a soul train when this is actually a brilliant map for blink all-ins.
I wonder why everyone is assuming a soul train when it is a PvT...
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That map is so good! Come back to the ladder!
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On November 24 2013 05:05 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:03 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 24 2013 05:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:On November 24 2013 05:01 pmp10 wrote:On November 24 2013 05:00 Destructicon wrote:On November 24 2013 04:58 TeeTS wrote:On November 24 2013 04:57 EleanorRIgby wrote: i like bombers composition i think it can work pretty decent if the toss doesn't go quick colossus It works only, if the protoss attacks into the terran with pure zealot. It does not work well in any other case! Its a good counter to chargelot archon and templar, clearly that the losses Bomber took from sOs stung and he wanted to rectify it. It's not a good counter to archon/templar. Casters are over-hyping things as usual. i think you are wrong, explain yourself. the blueflame hellbats will own the zealots leaving your bio to do way more dps to the rest of the army. But you have no answer to the storm, and unlike bio, hellbats can't dodge and they maybe don't die as fast as marines but they are not that good against storm as TB thinks. Hellbat-marauder is quite sturdy against storm. What ForGG does is that he almost never fights head on, instead going mass medivac and drops in each of the three bases simultaneously. Hellbat-marauder trades very well in smaller scale battles.
I keep hearing about ForGGs hellbats but ive watched his stream alot during the last couple of weeks and he always plays very standard vP. Sometimes he mixes in hellbats in the lategame but thats about it.
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Austria24417 Posts
CK was a great map because it was balanced. Each race has strengths and weaknesses on it. The layout is awesome too.
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On November 24 2013 05:05 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:01 Shellshock wrote:[RBBG] New York Day 1 Bomber vs. PartinGGame 2 (1-0) Map: Cloud Kingdom 0:00  Bomber spawns in the bottom left  PartinG spawns in the top right 1:40 rax first for Bomber gateway first for PartinG 2:00 double gas for PartinG cybernetics core for PartinG 3:00 CC on the low ground for Bomber zealot for PartinG another rax for Bomber MSC for PartinG 4:00 scv of Bomber delaying the nexus of PartinG 3rd rax for Bomber nexus for PartinG stalker for PartinG bunker in the natural for Bomber 5:00 Robo for PartinG gas for Bomber another stalker for PartinG forge for PartinG stalker scouts the bunker and CC of Bomber in the natural observer for PartinG ebay for Bomber 6:00 tech lab for Bomber 2 more gas for PartinG +1 armor for PartinG stim research started for Bomber another gas for Bomber Twilight council for PartinG
7:00 54 vs 51 2nd observer for PartinG missile turret for bomber another gate for PartinG factory for Bomber 2 more gas for Bomber another gate for PartinG
8:00 65 vs 60 +1 attack started for Bomber Templar archives for PartinG Starport for Bomber charge research started for PartinG Warp prism for PartinG
9:00 75 vs 67 storm research started for PartinG 3rd CC for Bomber armory for Bomber 2nd factory for Bomber 4 more gates for PartinG +2 armor for PartinG medivac production started for Bomber
10:00 87 vs 73 Observer scouts the main of Bomber and sees everything 3rd base for PartinG hellbat production started for Bomber +1 vehicle weapons for Bomber another rax for Bomber medivac of Bomber scouts the warp prism +2 weapons for bomber storm drop in the natural of Bomber
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On November 24 2013 05:07 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:06 d00p wrote: Isn't soultrain/immortal all-in an ZvP build perfected by Parting? This is PvT. WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?! They are not zerg players, they have no clue what is immortal all-in. But they know that PartinG used to do soul train.
Isn't Wheat supposed to play Z?
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 24 2013 05:07 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:05 DJHelium wrote:On November 24 2013 05:03 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 24 2013 05:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:On November 24 2013 05:01 pmp10 wrote:On November 24 2013 05:00 Destructicon wrote:On November 24 2013 04:58 TeeTS wrote:On November 24 2013 04:57 EleanorRIgby wrote: i like bombers composition i think it can work pretty decent if the toss doesn't go quick colossus It works only, if the protoss attacks into the terran with pure zealot. It does not work well in any other case! Its a good counter to chargelot archon and templar, clearly that the losses Bomber took from sOs stung and he wanted to rectify it. It's not a good counter to archon/templar. Casters are over-hyping things as usual. i think you are wrong, explain yourself. the blueflame hellbats will own the zealots leaving your bio to do way more dps to the rest of the army. But you have no answer to the storm, and unlike bio, hellbats can't dodge and they maybe don't die as fast as marines but they are not that good against storm as TB thinks. Hellbat-marauder is quite sturdy against storm. What ForGG does is that he almost never fights head on, instead going mass medivac and drops in each of the three bases simultaneously. Hellbat-marauder trades very well in smaller scale battles. I keep hearing about ForGGs hellbats but ive watched his stream alot during the last couple of weeks and he always plays very standard. Sometimes he mixes in hellbats in the lategame but thats about it. Find his game against HerO on Choke City at ATC S1 finals. IIRC after this game Harstem and Co were joking about ForGG claiming it was to become new meta (no ghosts).
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On November 24 2013 05:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:04 Destructicon wrote: I wonder why everyone is assuming its going to be a soul train when this is actually a brilliant map for blink all-ins. I wonder why everyone is assuming a soul train when it is a PvT...
Well, I have seen Immortal busts in PvT as well.
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Good old PartinG Psi Storm drops.
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Is that Nexus off one pixel to the left?
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Can the commentators stop being idiots for a second and realize this is PvT and the soul train only works in PvZ. If Parting tried it, it would fail miserably.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 24 2013 05:08 d00p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:07 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 24 2013 05:06 d00p wrote: Isn't soultrain/immortal all-in an ZvP build perfected by Parting? This is PvT. WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?! They are not zerg players, they have no clue what is immortal all-in. But they know that PartinG used to do soul train. Isn't Wheat supposed to play Z? He plays on KR server? It is only server i can see him meeting immortal all-ins at his level of play nowadays.
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On November 24 2013 05:08 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 05:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:On November 24 2013 05:04 Destructicon wrote: I wonder why everyone is assuming its going to be a soul train when this is actually a brilliant map for blink all-ins. I wonder why everyone is assuming a soul train when it is a PvT... Well, I have seen Immortal busts in PvT as well. but it is not the soul train parting invented, tb is a bit off or smth
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