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On November 10 2013 07:52 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 07:49 Zambrah wrote:On November 10 2013 07:48 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 07:47 Heartland wrote:
Is Bel'shir really -that- bad for Zerg? Yes. *Should I explain why? I like to learn things, I want an explanation. :D Ok with the current iteration of ZvT, it comes down to Muta ling bane vs Marine mine medivac. Now the thing about Muta ing bane is that it can STOMP MMMM IF they are on creep. But because Zerg needs 4 bases to trade cost efficiently, that means that the 4th base must have a large amount of creep spread ahead of the base or you will eventually lose to a Terran player of equal micro. Now the way the map is shaped, you cannot get creep spread out in the front fast enough. The best Scarlett could do was get it to the high ground next to the 4th, but never in front to the tall grass leading to it meaning that so long as both players go standard, the MMMM player has an inherent advantage over Zerg. Now you can bypass this completely with Roach-hydra (Like Soulkey) Or with 1/1 Roach into Muta ling bane (Like Soulkey) Or better Ling micro (Like Life.)
It's also an absolute pain to deal with mines in tight angles, and since the distance to push into the third/4th is so little it's a lot easier to suddenly discover mines in your base, which is never good.
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France9034 Posts
On November 10 2013 07:54 cmen15 wrote:
NOOOO MARINE RANGE OP?
That's a reaction so ridiculous I'm dying laughing right now.
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On November 10 2013 07:54 dinosrwar wrote:
Aw man that happens to me all the time (Gold league ftw) poor 1st overlord
I usually get them with my Stalker but then my Stalker dies to Lings... T.T.
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On November 10 2013 07:54 Noonius wrote:
I thought Tasteless was about to say "low gold"
Yeah, i guess he was close.
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your Country52798 Posts
On November 10 2013 07:51 The_Templar wrote:Maru spawns in the bottom right Jaedong spawns in the top right
2:00
Jaedong getting a hatchery first.
Maru getting a barracks first and no refinery.
3:00
Jaedong sends a drone to his third and then builds a spawning pool and an extractor.
Maru taking his natural expanson.
Jaedong loses his scouting overlord.
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Maru sending 2 marines to the left hand side of the center.
Jaedong getting zergling speed.
5:00
Maru building a bunker at his natural expansion.
Maru getting a factory.
Jaedong getting two extra queens.
Zerglings poking at Maru's natural expansion.
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United States97277 Posts
On November 10 2013 07:54 Ragnarork wrote:That's a reaction so ridiculous I'm dying laughing right now.
need to change bunkers
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On November 10 2013 07:54 Ragnarork wrote:That's a reaction so ridiculous I'm dying laughing right now.
yea dat 5 range so stronk
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Sheeet! The suicide overlord... Maru gets a big break!
Will we see a game 5?
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On November 10 2013 07:52 75 wrote:
this is the biggest crowd watching sc2? or not?
IEM Katowice was way bigger. And I'm sure there were some more tournaments 
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On November 10 2013 07:54 Pandemona wrote:
Maru build was done for that specifically no?
The 12rax expand? Due to getting the marines coming out for the free overlord?
Yes, and perhaps afraid of a 6-9 pool.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2013 07:52 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 07:49 Zambrah wrote:On November 10 2013 07:48 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 07:47 Heartland wrote:
Is Bel'shir really -that- bad for Zerg? Yes. *Should I explain why? I like to learn things, I want an explanation. :D Ok with the current iteration of ZvT, it comes down to Muta ling bane vs Marine mine medivac. Now the thing about Muta ing bane is that it can STOMP MMMM IF they are on creep. But because Zerg needs 4 bases to trade cost efficiently, that means that the 4th base must have a large amount of creep spread ahead of the base or you will eventually lose to a Terran player of equal micro. Now the way the map is shaped, you cannot get creep spread out in the front fast enough. The best Scarlett could do was get it to the high ground next to the 4th, but never in front to the tall grass leading to it meaning that so long as both players go standard, the MMMM player has an inherent advantage over Zerg. Now you can bypass this completely with Roach-hydra (Like Soulkey) Or with 1/1 Roach into Muta ling bane (Like Soulkey) Or better Ling micro (Like Life.)
Knowledge is power. :D Thanks. <3
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On November 10 2013 07:54 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 07:53 Musicus wrote:Jaedong single handedly saving sc2 in Korea. William Cho @WillChobra 2m
Jaedong has actually been holding onto a top 3 search term ranking on naver in korea for a bit right now #WCS #Blizzcon naver searches are very very volatile
stop ruining things!
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United States97277 Posts
double factory? Maru copying my strat vs Musicus
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Already saw Maru's mech play and it's pretty interesting.
He might go for it this game... hope it will go well.
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 10 2013 07:54 Ragnarork wrote:That's a reaction so ridiculous I'm dying laughing right now.
Maru with the quick U-238 shell upgrade.
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Jaedong winning this tournament would be so good for SC2 in Korea ! And even here, considering the reactions of the crowd
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2 fact blue flame? GOGOGO
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On November 10 2013 07:54 Ragnarork wrote:That's a reaction so ridiculous I'm dying laughing right now.
there's a reason they didn't start with 5 range in bw
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On November 10 2013 07:54 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 07:53 Schelim wrote:
in other news i got a friend of mine who's never seen any sc2 watching this. he's asking me really funny questions but he appears to be quite into it even though he has no idea wtf is going on. What kind of questions is he asking? Has he been watching all day or just this series?
started watching last game. he asked me who Jayden is, why there is disgusting stuff on the ground on some parts of the map, and why Jayden lost the last game. that kind of stuff.
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if JD loses this map it's gonna be bloody hard for him to win the decider
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