• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:09
CEST 03:09
KST 10:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !7Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Tulbo's ASL S21 Ro8 Post-Review
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Path of Exile OutLive 25 (RTS Game)
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1582 users

[WCS Finals] Day 2 Season 3 Grand Finals 2013 - Page 58

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 56 57 58 59 60 331 Next
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#1141
VLC = No lag.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44274 Posts
October 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#1142
On October 27 2013 04:14 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:14 robson1 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:12 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:10 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:08 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:07 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:04 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote:
remember ya'll. This game does not matter at all.

[image loading]


* Dance *


i cant seem to not get distracted by this .. i dont know why ..


Because it's awesome?


totally ! and why are they doing that ?


To get you on the excite-a-bike. Player intros are awesome.


As far as I know: DRG is imitating a Zergling. And genius was supposed to imitate a unit as well, but nobody has ever figured out what he is imitating to this day. I think he just was frustrated that he couldn't imitate a void ray so he said: Fuck it, I'm just going all out dubstep dance on this one.

its a zealot

o.O
this is a quote
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#1143
Finally Jaedong is playing to his strength and MMA weakness, early muta
Year of MaxPax
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#1144
On October 27 2013 04:13 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:09 The_Templar wrote:
Group B: Loser's Match

(Z)Jaedong vs (T)MMA
0-1


Map: Derelict Watcher


Jaedong spawns in the bottom left
MMA spawns in the top right

2:00
MMA getting a barracks followed by a refinery.
Jaedong going hatchery first followed by a spawning pool.
MMA getting a reaper.

3:00
MMA moving out with his first reaper and is getting a second one.
Jaedong getting 4 zerglings and 2 queens.
MMA expanding onto the low ground.

4:00
MMA starting a factory.
Jaedong moving zerglings towards the natural of MMA.
MMA scouts the whole base with a reaper but doesn't kill anything
MMA mis-placed the reaper outside of his natural and doesn't see it.

5:00
Jaedong getting zergling speed.
MMA making 2 hellions.
MMA getting a starport.

6:00 (Z)Jaedong 48 vs (T)MMA 41
MMA getting a banshee.
Jaedong making a third base and a lair.
MMA being defensive with his hellions.

7:00 (Z)Jaedong 55 vs (T)MMA 49
MMA moving out with a banshee.
Jaedong moving 2 zerglings across the map, one is seen by MMA's banshee and killed.
MMA getting stim pack.
MMA building a third command center.

8:00 (Z)Jaedong 70 vs (T)MMA 59
Banshee moving into the bases of Jaedong.
Jaedong getting a spire.
MMA getting 2 engineering bays.
Jaedong making 2 evolution chambers.
Jaedong surrounds the hellions and kills one.

9:00 (Z)Jaedong 76 vs (T)MMA 69
MMA getting +1/1
Jaedong making a baneling nest.
Jaedong sees the third command center.
Jaedong getting +1/1 melee and overlord speed.

10:00 (Z)Jaedong 94 vs (T)MMA 86
Jaedong getting mutalisks.
MMA moving out with a viking.
MMA loses his banshee to mutalisks.
MMA getting turrets at his third base and pulling back marines.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Daogin
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada2308 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1145
Lets go dongerr
Leenoctopus <3, master of foreign events.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1146
MMA sees NaDa? I am jealous.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1147
On October 27 2013 04:16 robson1 wrote:
VLC = No lag.


What's the address of the stream for vlc?
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-26 19:18:25
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1148
On October 27 2013 04:14 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:11 Squat wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:07 Incognoto wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:05 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:03 groms wrote:
I'm not a zerg so take this for what its worth.

Why do zergs stay on 2-2 vs 3-3 in zvt so often? Seems like a losing proposition to me.

going to 3-3 requires hive tech and going to hive tech requires infestation pit and building both requires a lot more time compared to terran and protoss who can access 3/3 upgrades more easily ..

and transitioning to that time normally zergs die to terran pressure facing 3/3 biomine

did i explain everything right ?


oh wow so that's still how the match up works?

i guess not .. if the zerg gets muta-ball .. when zerg has 30+ mutas the way i see it the terran just has a very hard time keeping up .. but in game 1 .. mma did not allow JD to get muta ball .

If a terran lets a zerg gets 30+ mutas in any decent amount of time he is either greatly inferior or just doing something wrong.

wow makes sense

although

during innovation vs drg .. i dont think innovation was inferior .. or was doing something he is pure gold in tvz .. so which is which ?

He was doing something wrong.

30+ mutas is a MASSIVE investment, a ball that size means you intend to fight with them, a lot, which means they will also need upgrades. This means a super late hive or even no hive at all, which means you'll be stuck on 2-2. The mutas HAVE to win the game at this point, or the terran coupon sale bio will wear you down.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1149
MMA will see Nada for enlightenment on TvZ
very illegal and very uncool
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1150
"What does MMA see? Nada"

I would love to see what he is seeing
Year of MaxPax
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1151
MMA is playing quite sloppy. Supply blocks, missing upgrades, losing units.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 26 2013 19:18 GMT
#1152
looks better for JD.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 26 2013 19:18 GMT
#1153
On October 27 2013 04:16 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:14 Paljas wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:14 robson1 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:12 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:10 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:08 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:07 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:04 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote:
remember ya'll. This game does not matter at all.

[image loading]


* Dance *


i cant seem to not get distracted by this .. i dont know why ..


Because it's awesome?


totally ! and why are they doing that ?


To get you on the excite-a-bike. Player intros are awesome.


As far as I know: DRG is imitating a Zergling. And genius was supposed to imitate a unit as well, but nobody has ever figured out what he is imitating to this day. I think he just was frustrated that he couldn't imitate a void ray so he said: Fuck it, I'm just going all out dubstep dance on this one.

its a zealot


Yeah maybe it's supposed to be one. But that zealot must have some kind of mental disorder.


LMAO. Thats whats all the dubstep is doing to him.
GreenFate
Profile Joined March 2011
France289 Posts
October 26 2013 19:18 GMT
#1154
Fast mutas didn't work for SK, it's not going to go well for JD either.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 26 2013 19:19 GMT
#1155
On October 27 2013 04:17 sudete wrote:
"What does MMA see? Nada"

I would love to see what he is seeing


I heard Nada works out and has a pretty good body.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
October 26 2013 19:19 GMT
#1156
On October 27 2013 04:15 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:15 iAmJeffReY wrote:
game music off plz

I love it.

well i hate it


...so what do we do now? Thumb war or wut?
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
October 26 2013 19:19 GMT
#1157
On October 27 2013 04:15 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:11 Squat wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:07 Incognoto wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:05 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:03 groms wrote:
I'm not a zerg so take this for what its worth.

Why do zergs stay on 2-2 vs 3-3 in zvt so often? Seems like a losing proposition to me.

going to 3-3 requires hive tech and going to hive tech requires infestation pit and building both requires a lot more time compared to terran and protoss who can access 3/3 upgrades more easily ..

and transitioning to that time normally zergs die to terran pressure facing 3/3 biomine

did i explain everything right ?


oh wow so that's still how the match up works?

i guess not .. if the zerg gets muta-ball .. when zerg has 30+ mutas the way i see it the terran just has a very hard time keeping up .. but in game 1 .. mma did not allow JD to get muta ball .

If a terran lets a zerg gets 30+ mutas in any decent amount of time he is either greatly inferior or just doing something wrong.



DRG and Curious got pretty good muta balls going vs Innovation. TvZ is all about how well muta ling bling trade vs 4M. Because there are so many engagement and trades, a lot of time at the end, it looks like one side has no chance and the other side is OP (mines for T and mutas for Z). But that is because of the trades before hand and how they snowball.

Exactly, and for a zerg to get 30+ mutas without dying he has to be consistently be trading well, i.e. be winning.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 26 2013 19:20 GMT
#1158
On October 27 2013 04:17 Fission wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:16 robson1 wrote:
VLC = No lag.


What's the address of the stream for vlc?

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1osp4m/lagging_on_twitchtv_watch_wcs_on_vlc_player/
maru lover forever
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 26 2013 19:20 GMT
#1159
now it's even laggin on vlc.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 26 2013 19:20 GMT
#1160
On October 27 2013 04:16 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:13 The_Templar wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:09 The_Templar wrote:
Group B: Loser's Match

(Z)Jaedong vs (T)MMA
0-1


Map: Derelict Watcher


Jaedong spawns in the bottom left
MMA spawns in the top right

2:00
MMA getting a barracks followed by a refinery.
Jaedong going hatchery first followed by a spawning pool.
MMA getting a reaper.

3:00
MMA moving out with his first reaper and is getting a second one.
Jaedong getting 4 zerglings and 2 queens.
MMA expanding onto the low ground.

4:00
MMA starting a factory.
Jaedong moving zerglings towards the natural of MMA.
MMA scouts the whole base with a reaper but doesn't kill anything
MMA mis-placed the reaper outside of his natural and doesn't see it.

5:00
Jaedong getting zergling speed.
MMA making 2 hellions.
MMA getting a starport.

6:00 (Z)Jaedong 48 vs (T)MMA 41
MMA getting a banshee.
Jaedong making a third base and a lair.
MMA being defensive with his hellions.

7:00 (Z)Jaedong 55 vs (T)MMA 49
MMA moving out with a banshee.
Jaedong moving 2 zerglings across the map, one is seen by MMA's banshee and killed.
MMA getting stim pack.
MMA building a third command center.

8:00 (Z)Jaedong 70 vs (T)MMA 59
Banshee moving into the bases of Jaedong.
Jaedong getting a spire.
MMA getting 2 engineering bays.
Jaedong making 2 evolution chambers.
Jaedong surrounds the hellions and kills one.

9:00 (Z)Jaedong 76 vs (T)MMA 69
MMA getting +1/1
Jaedong making a baneling nest.
Jaedong sees the third command center.
Jaedong getting +1/1 melee and overlord speed.

10:00 (Z)Jaedong 94 vs (T)MMA 86
Jaedong getting mutalisks.
MMA moving out with a viking.
MMA loses his banshee to mutalisks.
MMA getting turrets at his third base and pulling back marines.

11:00 (Z)Jaedong 113 vs (T)MMA 112
Jaedong kills the viking.
Jaedong getting baneling speed.
Jaedong getting 2 more hatcheries, one at his 4th base.
MMA getting an armory.
Jaedong moving mutalisks towards the third mineral line of Jaedong.

12:00 (Z)Jaedong 129 vs (T)MMA 131
Jaedong has a line of creep tumors.
Jaedong backs off the third base.
MMA denying creep.
Jaedong picking off the widow mines of MMA.

13:00 (Z)Jaedong 138 vs (T)MMA 127
MMA doing a drop towards the 4th but it's seen and MMA retreats with the medivac alive.
Both players getting 2/2.
MMA getting drilling claws.
Jaedong getting air armor.

14:00 (Z)Jaedong 179 vs (T)MMA 148
Jaedong loses some zerglings for free.
Jaedong getting an infestation pit.
MMA doing drops with a single medivac.

15:00 (Z)Jaedong 186vs (T)MMA 179
Jaedong is distracted by the drop with mutalisks while MMA moves into the 4th base.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Prev 1 56 57 58 59 60 331 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2026 GSL S1: Ro8 Group B
CranKy Ducklings122
EnkiAlexander 66
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 178
Ketroc 75
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4022
Backho 107
NaDa 30
Dota 2
monkeys_forever582
LuMiX0
League of Legends
Doublelift4637
JimRising 569
Other Games
tarik_tv9165
summit1g8420
DenverSC240
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick3174
BasetradeTV300
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 96
• davetesta45
• musti20045 34
• Airneanach7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21557
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
8h 52m
RSL Revival
8h 52m
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
10h 52m
ByuN vs Rogue
Solar vs Ryung
Zoun vs Percival
Cure vs SHIN
BSL
17h 52m
Dewalt vs DragOn
Aether vs Jimin
GSL
1d 6h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 8h
Soma vs Leta
Wardi Open
1d 10h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 14h
OSC
1d 22h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W6
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.