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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
October 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#3061
On October 26 2013 07:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 07:17 Squat wrote:
Kids this is why we don't actually make ultras if the protss can see them coming early, because then they are shit. In fact this build is pretty much shit if you can't keep it hidden and end up being forced to attack into the toss


If you can manage transition to BLs with this build it is really strong thing though.

And if you can get 200 supply sky terran it's really fucking strong too. Too bad good players will roll you over before that happens. This build is bad, ultras are bad, it relies completely on catching the toss with a bad composition.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
umade
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden172 Posts
October 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#3062
On October 26 2013 07:20 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 07:19 Davkaus wrote:
I don't understand how a pro player sees about a dozen immortals, and keeps on making ultras.


thats the only thing he had upgrades for....there was no other options.


If you're going to go with the most narrow build of all time, you need to keep your stuff secret OR you need to be faster.
Awesomeness
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
October 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#3063
On October 26 2013 07:19 Davkaus wrote:
I don't understand how a pro player sees about a dozen immortals, and keeps on making ultras.


I think Vortix is really nervous right now, so he just sticked with his plan. I would be nervous too if I was the only foreigner, every one hopes he will do well, so there's a lot of pressure on him
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
October 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#3064
this ling heavy style only works with constant agression. You have to hit your injects, keep your money low and pump out tons of lings that you trade with. imagine 40 more lings with his infestor/ling/queen poke, he could´ve gone in with those and would´ve done a ton of dmg!
As it was Oz could easily get the army he needed beforehand and was more than ready!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#3065
On October 26 2013 07:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Nice LR, Kelsier. It has got flavour.


Thank the South African Wine. =)
Zerg for Life
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#3066
On October 26 2013 07:20 dinosrwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 07:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 26 2013 07:18 Zarahtra wrote:
Shouldn't he have remaxed on mutas? He had the spire down...? Seemed weird to make more ultras after he sees all those immos


nah he would have just been ran over


He needed Vipers instead of infestors for the first fight, to pull the collossi and give his ultras time to close in with dweb.

Infestors are made to stay relatively safe against pre-ultra timing anyways.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Davkaus
Profile Joined October 2013
United Kingdom368 Posts
October 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#3067
On October 26 2013 07:20 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 07:19 Davkaus wrote:
I don't understand how a pro player sees about a dozen immortals, and keeps on making ultras.


thats the only thing he had upgrades for....there was no other options.


I'm obviously considerably worse than both you and Vortix, but wouldn't even mutas with no upgrades have done better than ultras against the army that Oz had?
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
October 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#3068
just skip the early game and go straight SH like all the good Koreans and firecakes
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
October 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#3069
On October 26 2013 07:21 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 07:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Nice LR, Kelsier. It has got flavour.


Thank the South African Wine. =)


Disclaimer: Not actually made in South Africa.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
Oyman_tr
Profile Joined July 2010
Turkey104 Posts
October 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#3070
vortix had should been rush oz 3rd base with roach + lings and didnt let him expand..
Peior est bello timor ipse belli
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
October 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#3071
On October 26 2013 07:19 Davkaus wrote:
I don't understand how a pro player sees about a dozen immortals, and keeps on making ultras.


he didn't kill the pheonixs and just gave Oz a free read of his strat for most of the game, it was stupid from the moment he decided to not kill Oz's scouting
Applesmack
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada680 Posts
October 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#3072
If I'm using VLC, do I count as a viewer watching the stream on the counter?
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
October 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#3073
On October 26 2013 07:20 dinosrwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 07:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 26 2013 07:18 Zarahtra wrote:
Shouldn't he have remaxed on mutas? He had the spire down...? Seemed weird to make more ultras after he sees all those immos


nah he would have just been ran over


He needed Vipers instead of infestors for the first fight, to pull the collossi and give his ultras time to close in with dweb.

I prefer immortals over collossi in that case.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#3074
On October 26 2013 07:22 Applesmack wrote:
If I'm using VLC, do I count as a viewer watching the stream on the counter?

Probably not.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 22:23:53
October 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#3075
So funny people always wanting to see foreigners. Once a foreigner plays and gets crushed, they are bashing them into the ground. ~~ People should decide what they want to see. I for my part am fine with Koreans or foreigners as long as they can deliver high level shit. :x
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 22:23:14
October 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#3076
es (Z)VortiX vs kr (P)Oz

Game 2
Map - Frost

00:00 - Vortix Spawns Bottom Right Oz Spawns Bottom Left
LETS GO
Zerg for Life
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
October 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#3077
On October 26 2013 07:21 Davkaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 07:20 Liquid`Ret wrote:
On October 26 2013 07:19 Davkaus wrote:
I don't understand how a pro player sees about a dozen immortals, and keeps on making ultras.


thats the only thing he had upgrades for....there was no other options.


I'm obviously considerably worse than both you and Vortix, but wouldn't even mutas with no upgrades have done better than ultras against the army that Oz had?


it feels like that but a bunch of archons rip mutas to shreds. I think the better choice might have been to try and squueze out some broodlords a la SoO but hard game from start to finish.

mine gas vs forge expand
go double upgrades extremely quick, suffer economically and dont cancel the protoss 3rd base

this creates a super hard situation to win for anybody
Team Liquid
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#3078
On October 26 2013 07:22 NarutO wrote:
So funny people always wanting to see foreigners. Once a foreigner players and gets crushed, they are bashing them into the ground. ~~ People should decide what they want to see. I for my part am fine with Koreans or foreigners as long as they can deliver high level shit. :x

This man speaks the truth.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
October 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#3079
EZ Oz!
very illegal and very uncool
Vertitto
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland750 Posts
October 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#3080
On October 26 2013 07:21 Davkaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 07:20 Liquid`Ret wrote:
On October 26 2013 07:19 Davkaus wrote:
I don't understand how a pro player sees about a dozen immortals, and keeps on making ultras.


thats the only thing he had upgrades for....there was no other options.


I'm obviously considerably worse than both you and Vortix, but wouldn't even mutas with no upgrades have done better than ultras against the army that Oz had?

Oz also had few phoenixes and archons, vortix could not build like 30 mutas to overrun oz
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