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[ATC] mouz vs Acer, Week 4, Season 2

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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 15:12:47
October 16 2013 20:13 GMT
#1
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(Wiki)Acer TeamStory Cup Season 2/Group Stage





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Thursday, Oct 17 1:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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These teams have the least games played this season, which means they don't know where they are at: Are they still playoff favorites or has the rise of Western Wolves and Quantic Gaming deprived them of the place in the sun?

(T)HeRoMaRinE <Yeonsu> (T)INnoVation
<Newkirk Precinct TE>
<Bel'shir Vestige>
<Derelict Watcher>
<Frost>
<Whirlwind>
<Akilon Wastes>
<Polar Night>
<Star Station>







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+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +
(T)HeRoMaRinE <Yeonsu> (T)INnoVation

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
(P)MaNa <Newkirk Precinct TE> (T)INnoVation

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
(T)LucifroN <Bel'shir Vestige> (T)INnoVation

+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
(Z)VortiX <Derelict Watcher> (T)INnoVation

+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
(Z)VortiX* <Frost> (T)MMA

+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
(P)MaNa* <Whirlwind> (T)MMA

+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
<Akilon Wastes>

+ Show Spoiler [Game 8] +
<Polar Night>

+ Show Spoiler [Game 9] +
<Star Station>


+ Show Spoiler [Overall Results] +

(T)HeRoMaRinE <Yeonsu> (T)INnoVation
(P)MaNa <Newkirk Precinct TE> (T)INnoVation
(T)LucifroN <Bel'shir Vestige> (T)INnoVation
(Z)VortiX <Derelict Watcher> (T)INnoVation
(Z)VortiX <Frost> (T)MMA
(P)MaNa* <Whirlwind> (T)MMA
<Akilon Wastes>
<Polar Night>
<Star Station>

1-5
finished


Who needs Zergs? The Acer Terrans defeat mousesports in a dominating 5-1!




       * = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before.
       ♠ = joker. Player that is not part of the team's regular roster. Only one joker can be chosen per season who is eligible to play the entire duration of the season.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 20:18:15
October 16 2013 20:13 GMT
#2
Poll: Head: Who do you think will win?

Team Acer (8)
 
80%

mousesports (2)
 
20%

10 total votes

Your vote: Head: Who do you think will win?

(Vote): mousesports
(Vote): Team Acer



Poll: Heart: Who do you want to win?

Team Acer (8)
 
67%

mousesports (4)
 
33%

12 total votes

Your vote: Heart: Who do you want to win?

(Vote): mousesports
(Vote): Team Acer



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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
October 16 2013 20:18 GMT
#3
Acer should win this easily.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
October 16 2013 20:34 GMT
#4
gogo (MM)Acer-all kill
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
October 16 2013 20:34 GMT
#5
ooohhh my two favourites! :D
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
October 16 2013 20:37 GMT
#6
Heres hoping Heromarine will snipe Innovation in the ace match. Go mouz!
BasetradeTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Canada1307 Posts
October 16 2013 20:40 GMT
#7
@OP as much as I would love to cast this, Nathanias is back in action, so he will be covering the English stream AFAIK :-)
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 12:59:27
October 17 2013 12:59 GMT
#8
First match : Heromarine vs Innovation.
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UlTiMa00
Profile Joined October 2013
Indonesia98 Posts
October 17 2013 13:07 GMT
#9
wow this would be awesome
metzninja
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand626 Posts
October 17 2013 13:14 GMT
#10
With all that gas, I think Heromarine should have switched the addons, going for double vikings + tanks. Those hellions broke the contain but it doesn't help his composition.
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
October 17 2013 13:15 GMT
#11
Oh no, Heromarine : (
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
October 17 2013 13:25 GMT
#12
There's no breaks on this train.
RIP MKP
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
October 17 2013 13:31 GMT
#13
Oh boy, gonna be hard to stop Bogus T_T
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 17 2013 13:32 GMT
#14
Innovation versus Koreans looks unfair, Innovation against Mana looks like taking candy from a baby.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
FrvPssn
Profile Joined August 2013
France402 Posts
October 17 2013 13:34 GMT
#15
...All kill inc.
For the night is dark and full of Terran!!!
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 17 2013 13:34 GMT
#16
And if (and that's a big if) Mouz beats Innovation, they need to get through MMA and Scarlett. Ouch.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 17 2013 13:35 GMT
#17
INnoVation is to good
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 13:35 GMT
#18
On October 17 2013 22:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
And if (and that's a big if) Mouz beats Innovation

Best chance is Vortix with some kind of Roach-based all-in.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 17 2013 13:37 GMT
#19
The Duran brothers are still up for this, and I have a strong feeling that one of them will take Innovation out...

Actually, it's only because I want to watch MMA play
Year of MaxPax
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
October 17 2013 13:37 GMT
#20
Gogo Lucifron :D
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 13:44:46
October 17 2013 13:43 GMT
#21
Hello Maru. Wait a minute, what?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 17 2013 13:43 GMT
#22
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 13:45 GMT
#23
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

Last time I saw ForGG play against LucifroN on stream, his Viking was killed by the Mine and he instantly left.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 13:48 GMT
#24
On October 17 2013 22:45 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

Last time I saw ForGG play against LucifroN on stream, his Viking was killed by the Mine and he instantly left.

his is who's?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
October 17 2013 13:49 GMT
#25
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

nah this is like one of the easiest move in chess lol
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 13:49 GMT
#26
On October 17 2013 22:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:45 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

Last time I saw ForGG play against LucifroN on stream, his Viking was killed by the Mine and he instantly left.

his is who's?

ForGG's Viking. He was playing the same gas 15 expand into Viking/Raven defence.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 17 2013 13:50 GMT
#27
On October 17 2013 22:49 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

nah this is like one of the easiest move in chess lol


I know you're trying to be facetious, but I'm genuinely curious as to which chess move you think this is. A fork would only get one, right.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 17 2013 13:50 GMT
#28
Winnovation once again dominating.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 17 2013 13:50 GMT
#29
vortix up next
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 13:51 GMT
#30
On October 17 2013 22:50 GumBa wrote:
Winnovation once again dominating.

They got him for that, huh.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
October 17 2013 13:51 GMT
#31
I think that was one of the biggest stomps I've seen... Inno tearing it up TODAY!!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 13:52:16
October 17 2013 13:51 GMT
#32
On October 17 2013 22:51 XtreMe_au wrote:
I think that was one of the biggest stomps I've seen... Inno tearing it up TODAY!!

Nah, he lost 2 games on ladder today. One against toss and another against zerg (lolwut).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 17 2013 13:51 GMT
#33
On October 17 2013 22:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:50 GumBa wrote:
Winnovation once again dominating.

They got him for that, huh.

And hes not disappointing :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 13:58 GMT
#34
1/1 Speedroaches, how unsurprising.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:00:06
October 17 2013 13:59 GMT
#35
On October 17 2013 22:58 TheDwf wrote:
1/1 Speedroaches, how unsurprising.

I suppose Vortix understands that Innovation is not ForGG or Flash and will scout roach hydra timing :D
Granted last time someone 1-1 speedroach'd Inno it ended BAD.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
October 17 2013 14:02 GMT
#36
Andddddddddddddddd that's why 2 bases pushes in TvZ are so gimmicky.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:03 GMT
#37
On October 17 2013 23:02 HugzForL wrote:
Andddddddddddddddd that's why 2 bases pushes in TvZ are so gimmicky.

I liked ForGG's 2 base push in TvZ though. Gimmicky as fuck, but funny as fuck too.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 14:05 GMT
#38
On October 17 2013 22:35 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
And if (and that's a big if) Mouz beats Innovation

Best chance is Vortix with some kind of Roach-based all-in.

And here we go.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 17 2013 14:05 GMT
#39
GG Vortix! I hope Acer revives Innovation to try to complete the all kill
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:05 GMT
#40
On October 17 2013 23:05 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:35 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
And if (and that's a big if) Mouz beats Innovation

Best chance is Vortix with some kind of Roach-based all-in.

And here we go.

Tbh it seemed like Inno threw it with actually not going for 3OC2EB :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
October 17 2013 14:05 GMT
#41
Vortix beat Innovation without ever finishing zergling speed
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:06 GMT
#42
On October 17 2013 23:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
GG Vortix! I hope Acer revives Innovation to try to complete the all kill

Vortix will have to kill 3 more players for that.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 17 2013 14:06 GMT
#43
On October 17 2013 23:02 HugzForL wrote:
Andddddddddddddddd that's why 2 bases pushes in TvZ are so gimmicky.


Made sense for the team, though. Big guns are waiting, might as well try a timing. This sets up another MMA cheese and probably Scarlett as the last woman standing.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 17 2013 14:06 GMT
#44
Meh knew vortix had to do something weird to beat inno
Now please MMA :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
October 17 2013 14:06 GMT
#45
Didn't watch the game; what did Vortix do? Roach bust?
Hello
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 14:07 GMT
#46
On October 17 2013 23:06 Keeemy wrote:
Didn't watch the game; what did Vortix do? Roach bust?

1/1 mass Speedroaches against 2-bases timing.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:08:11
October 17 2013 14:07 GMT
#47
On October 17 2013 23:07 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:06 Keeemy wrote:
Didn't watch the game; what did Vortix do? Roach bust?

1/1 mass Speedroaches against 2-bases timing.


ty
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:10:47
October 17 2013 14:07 GMT
#48
On October 17 2013 23:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
GG Vortix! I hope Acer revives Innovation to try to complete the all kill

Vortix will have to kill 3 more players for that.

I thought he'd already beat 3, so he'd only need 2 more. (He beat HeroMarine, Mana, and Lucifron.)

Edit: Whoops, misread "Vortix" as "Innovation" somehow...
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:10 GMT
#49
On October 17 2013 23:07 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
GG Vortix! I hope Acer revives Innovation to try to complete the all kill

Vortix will have to kill 3 more players for that.

I thought he'd already beat 3, so he'd only need 2 more. (He beat HeroMarine, Mana, and Lucifron.)

I mean Vortix needs to kill 3 more players and meet Inno as ace (and perhaps even lose 1-2 in Bo3 against Inno as result) for Inno to all-kill.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:11 GMT
#50
Dwf: your bet on what all-in will be done now?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:12:51
October 17 2013 14:11 GMT
#51
I certainly hope MMA has his bunkers ready

edit: thank god he's not doing his MMA funky shit into anti-climatic build order loss
Year of MaxPax
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
October 17 2013 14:12 GMT
#52
On October 17 2013 23:10 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:07 Melliflue wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
GG Vortix! I hope Acer revives Innovation to try to complete the all kill

Vortix will have to kill 3 more players for that.

I thought he'd already beat 3, so he'd only need 2 more. (He beat HeroMarine, Mana, and Lucifron.)

I mean Vortix needs to kill 3 more players and meet Inno as ace (and perhaps even lose 1-2 in Bo3 against Inno as result) for Inno to all-kill.

My bad, I misread "Vortix" as "Inno" somehow. Sorry. They kinda look the same... but not really
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 14:12 GMT
#53
On October 17 2013 23:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Dwf: your bet on what all-in will be done now?

Standard.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:14 GMT
#54
On October 17 2013 23:12 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Dwf: your bet on what all-in will be done now?

Standard.

Well, i suppose Vortix did not forget that defense of roach bane by MMA (that game against Nerchio :O).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:15:37
October 17 2013 14:14 GMT
#55
MMA might go for his 2 rax stim timing after viking

edit: nope banshee MMA no fun
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:15 GMT
#56
On October 17 2013 23:14 DJHelium wrote:
MMA might go for his 2 rax stim timing after viking

edit: nope banshee

I prefer ForGG's 5 rax stim timing after hellion banshee bop.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
October 17 2013 14:17 GMT
#57
On October 17 2013 23:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:12 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Dwf: your bet on what all-in will be done now?

Standard.

Well, i suppose Vortix did not forget that defense of roach bane by MMA (that game against Nerchio :O).

I could've won that but i forgot to put my bane nest in natural instead of main ^^ so he knew everything and put down 10 bunkers, also didnt really realise u can put bunker on top of the ramp, that was really killer.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 17 2013 14:17 GMT
#58
On October 17 2013 23:17 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:12 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Dwf: your bet on what all-in will be done now?

Standard.

Well, i suppose Vortix did not forget that defense of roach bane by MMA (that game against Nerchio :O).

I could've won that but i forgot to put my bane nest in natural instead of main ^^ so he knew everything and put down 10 bunkers, also didnt really realise u can put bunker on top of the ramp, that was really killer.


What tournament was this? WCS EU?
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:18:58
October 17 2013 14:18 GMT
#59
On October 17 2013 23:17 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:12 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Dwf: your bet on what all-in will be done now?

Standard.

Well, i suppose Vortix did not forget that defense of roach bane by MMA (that game against Nerchio :O).

I could've won that but i forgot to put my bane nest in natural instead of main ^^ so he knew everything and put down 10 bunkers, also didnt really realise u can put bunker on top of the ramp, that was really killer.

Oh, that bunker on top of ramp is my favorite. But yeah, allowing for all-in to get scouted makes it not that impressive of defense, nothing beats Maru's defense of roach bane (not sure if it was scouted, but man, that defense was badass).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
October 17 2013 14:19 GMT
#60
On October 17 2013 23:17 DJHelium wrote:
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On October 17 2013 23:17 Nerchio wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:12 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Dwf: your bet on what all-in will be done now?

Standard.

Well, i suppose Vortix did not forget that defense of roach bane by MMA (that game against Nerchio :O).

I could've won that but i forgot to put my bane nest in natural instead of main ^^ so he knew everything and put down 10 bunkers, also didnt really realise u can put bunker on top of the ramp, that was really killer.


What tournament was this? WCS EU?

Yep, RO8.
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SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
October 17 2013 14:19 GMT
#61
Does MMA put 4 scv in gas intentionally?
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 17 2013 14:19 GMT
#62
Vortix's fourth is so close to MMA's third... feels weird haha
Year of MaxPax
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 17 2013 14:20 GMT
#63
On October 17 2013 23:19 Aeromi wrote:
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On October 17 2013 23:17 DJHelium wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:17 Nerchio wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:12 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Dwf: your bet on what all-in will be done now?

Standard.

Well, i suppose Vortix did not forget that defense of roach bane by MMA (that game against Nerchio :O).

I could've won that but i forgot to put my bane nest in natural instead of main ^^ so he knew everything and put down 10 bunkers, also didnt really realise u can put bunker on top of the ramp, that was really killer.


What tournament was this? WCS EU?

Yep, RO8.


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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 14:20 GMT
#64
On October 17 2013 23:19 HugzForL wrote:
Does MMA put 4 scv in gas intentionally?

Fairly sure that no.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:22 GMT
#65
Poor Thor :D
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SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
October 17 2013 14:23 GMT
#66
On October 17 2013 23:20 TheDwf wrote:
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On October 17 2013 23:19 HugzForL wrote:
Does MMA put 4 scv in gas intentionally?

Fairly sure that no.


Ok. Also i don't quite understand what is up with building 3 tanks, for that cost a bunch of WM would be much better tbh.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 17 2013 14:23 GMT
#67
On October 17 2013 23:23 HugzForL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:20 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:19 HugzForL wrote:
Does MMA put 4 scv in gas intentionally?

Fairly sure that no.


Ok. Also i don't quite understand what is up with building 3 tanks, for that cost a bunch of WM would be much better tbh.


Scared of a roach timing.
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:24:55
October 17 2013 14:24 GMT
#68
I'm just wondering why MMA even used tanks in the first place? his biomine is pretty sick

edit: ok ok I know why now, thanks TLers :D
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
October 17 2013 14:24 GMT
#69
On October 17 2013 23:24 sudete wrote:
I'm just wondering why MMA even used tanks in the first place? his biomine is pretty sick

Probably just to be safe against some roach/bane timings etc.

MMA so good <3
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SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
October 17 2013 14:24 GMT
#70
Jesus MMA really like his Thors. I gotta try it myself.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:24 GMT
#71
On October 17 2013 23:24 sudete wrote:
I'm just wondering why MMA even used tanks in the first place? his biomine is pretty sick

Safety measure, MMA have seen previous game.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:26:20
October 17 2013 14:25 GMT
#72
On October 17 2013 23:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:23 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:20 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:19 HugzForL wrote:
Does MMA put 4 scv in gas intentionally?

Fairly sure that no.


Ok. Also i don't quite understand what is up with building 3 tanks, for that cost a bunch of WM would be much better tbh.


Scared of a roach timing.

This. Vortix didn't react to the weaker agressive potential so it ended up being fine. Plus short distances.
metzninja
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand626 Posts
October 17 2013 14:25 GMT
#73
Fantastic TvZ from MMA. He used the threat of the siege tanks really well while establishing his 3/3 biomine.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 17 2013 14:25 GMT
#74
Woooooo MMA
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:26 GMT
#75
On October 17 2013 23:25 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:23 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:20 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:19 HugzForL wrote:
Does MMA put 4 scv in gas intentionally?

Fairly sure that no.


Ok. Also i don't quite understand what is up with building 3 tanks, for that cost a bunch of WM would be much better tbh.


Scared of a roach timing.

This. Vortix didn't react to the weaker agressive potential so it ended up being fine.

I would not say it is much weaker when distance between 4th of zerg and 3rd of terran is so much shorter than rush distance on steppes of war.
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
October 17 2013 14:26 GMT
#76
On October 17 2013 23:25 metzninja wrote:
Fantastic TvZ from MMA. He used the threat of the siege tanks really well while establishing his 3/3 biomine.


Ye, I'd say Tanks pretty good with those close bases.
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
October 17 2013 14:26 GMT
#77
Terran learning new meta!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:27 GMT
#78
On October 17 2013 23:26 XtreMe_au wrote:
Terran learning new meta!

Just a combination of safety measure and lucky spawns. On cross spawns tanks would be a complete failure.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
October 17 2013 14:27 GMT
#79
On October 17 2013 22:50 Ghanburighan wrote:
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On October 17 2013 22:49 ETisME wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

nah this is like one of the easiest move in chess lol


I know you're trying to be facetious, but I'm genuinely curious as to which chess move you think this is. A fork would only get one, right.

the thing about chess is both players have perfect knowledge. your opponent knows your every move and vice versa.
you have to conseal your every move and make it hard to read for the opponent even when they can see what you are moving, deducing what your plan is and how you going to move.

Of cause, it might be different for western chess, but it is this case for chinese chess which i am pretty good at
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 14:28 GMT
#80
On October 17 2013 23:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:25 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:23 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:20 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:19 HugzForL wrote:
Does MMA put 4 scv in gas intentionally?

Fairly sure that no.


Ok. Also i don't quite understand what is up with building 3 tanks, for that cost a bunch of WM would be much better tbh.


Scared of a roach timing.

This. Vortix didn't react to the weaker agressive potential so it ended up being fine.

I would not say it is much weaker when distance between 4th of zerg and 3rd of terran is so much shorter than rush distance on steppes of war.

3 Tanks can still be overwhelmed quite easily if Terran tries to advance on creep.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 17 2013 14:28 GMT
#81
On October 17 2013 23:27 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:50 Ghanburighan wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:49 ETisME wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

nah this is like one of the easiest move in chess lol


I know you're trying to be facetious, but I'm genuinely curious as to which chess move you think this is. A fork would only get one, right.

the thing about chess is both players have perfect knowledge. your opponent knows your every move and vice versa.
you have to conseal your every move and make it hard to read for the opponent even when they can see what you are moving, deducing what your plan is and how you going to move.

Of cause, it might be different for western chess, but it is this case for chinese chess which i am pretty good at


Ah, I absolutely get that reference about chinese chess :D I'm really bad at it though
Year of MaxPax
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
October 17 2013 14:28 GMT
#82
On October 17 2013 23:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:26 XtreMe_au wrote:
Terran learning new meta!

Just a combination of safety measure and lucky spawns. On cross spawns tanks would be a complete failure.

I meant the thors - terrans are starting to add them to biomine
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:29 GMT
#83
On October 17 2013 23:28 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:25 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:23 HugzForL wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:20 TheDwf wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:19 HugzForL wrote:
Does MMA put 4 scv in gas intentionally?

Fairly sure that no.


Ok. Also i don't quite understand what is up with building 3 tanks, for that cost a bunch of WM would be much better tbh.


Scared of a roach timing.

This. Vortix didn't react to the weaker agressive potential so it ended up being fine.

I would not say it is much weaker when distance between 4th of zerg and 3rd of terran is so much shorter than rush distance on steppes of war.

3 Tanks can still be overwhelmed quite easily if Terran tries to advance on creep.

True that, hence MMA kept the tanks and almost all the supporting cast outside of creep.
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Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
October 17 2013 14:29 GMT
#84
Proxy oracle now maybe? :D
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:29 GMT
#85
On October 17 2013 23:28 XtreMe_au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:26 XtreMe_au wrote:
Terran learning new meta!

Just a combination of safety measure and lucky spawns. On cross spawns tanks would be a complete failure.

I meant the thors - terrans are starting to add them to biomine

MMA was adding thors to bio mine since pretty long time ago. They tank well for their cost and can hurt mutas more than mine shot.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 17 2013 14:32 GMT
#86
Whoa sick double probe harrass
Year of MaxPax
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 17 2013 14:32 GMT
#87
On October 17 2013 23:27 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 22:50 Ghanburighan wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:49 ETisME wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

nah this is like one of the easiest move in chess lol


I know you're trying to be facetious, but I'm genuinely curious as to which chess move you think this is. A fork would only get one, right.

the thing about chess is both players have perfect knowledge. your opponent knows your every move and vice versa.
you have to conseal your every move and make it hard to read for the opponent even when they can see what you are moving, deducing what your plan is and how you going to move.

Of cause, it might be different for western chess, but it is this case for chinese chess which i am pretty good at


You mean Xiangqi, right? I'm afraid I don't know it. But there are definitely 'traps' in western chess, they merely require thinking ahead too many moves such that your optimal moves lure you in.

So, who's winning after the SCV war?
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:32:38
October 17 2013 14:32 GMT
#88
On October 17 2013 23:29 Niko_Thien wrote:
Proxy oracle now maybe? :D

This is not ATC season 1.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 17 2013 14:32 GMT
#89
In hots beta Polt was adding thorsinto his biomine comp.
Hipster terran is hipster
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:34:25
October 17 2013 14:32 GMT
#90
On October 17 2013 23:28 sudete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:27 ETisME wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:50 Ghanburighan wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:49 ETisME wrote:
On October 17 2013 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
Innovation would be great at chess, Lucifron was trying to bait Inno into a widow mine with a banshee, but got trapped into losing both banshee and WM with a single scan.

nah this is like one of the easiest move in chess lol


I know you're trying to be facetious, but I'm genuinely curious as to which chess move you think this is. A fork would only get one, right.

the thing about chess is both players have perfect knowledge. your opponent knows your every move and vice versa.
you have to conseal your every move and make it hard to read for the opponent even when they can see what you are moving, deducing what your plan is and how you going to move.

Of cause, it might be different for western chess, but it is this case for chinese chess which i am pretty good at


Ah, I absolutely get that reference about chinese chess :D I'm really bad at it though

my dad can pwn me even without three of the "aggressive" piece and he is my mentor XD

It's pretty insane how he can have total control of the game with equal moves as I do even if I have more pieces.
I can take away one of his pieces but suddenly my structure in the middle got weaken because of that and I have to take like 5 moves to win the middle back and then I realise I am losing out on somewhere else lol

it's more than just reading and predicting the moves, it's even moving the pieces beforehand to save the time to counter my moves.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 14:33 GMT
#91
On October 17 2013 23:29 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:28 XtreMe_au wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:26 XtreMe_au wrote:
Terran learning new meta!

Just a combination of safety measure and lucky spawns. On cross spawns tanks would be a complete failure.

I meant the thors - terrans are starting to add them to biomine

MMA was adding thors to bio mine since pretty long time ago. They tank well for their cost and can hurt mutas more than mine shot.

More often than not, I see them dying without doing much, for instance in Fantasy vs Sleep. With the way armies are generally positioned, mutas can magic box forward Thors without the 40+ Marines in the back being able to help.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 17 2013 14:34 GMT
#92
On October 17 2013 23:33 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 23:29 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:28 XtreMe_au wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 17 2013 23:26 XtreMe_au wrote:
Terran learning new meta!

Just a combination of safety measure and lucky spawns. On cross spawns tanks would be a complete failure.

I meant the thors - terrans are starting to add them to biomine

MMA was adding thors to bio mine since pretty long time ago. They tank well for their cost and can hurt mutas more than mine shot.

More often than not, I see them dying without doing much, for instance in Fantasy vs Sleep. With the way armies are generally positioned, mutas can magic box forward Thors without the 40+ Marines in the back being able to help.

Well, he was generally having a supporting cast of those 20+ marines with 3-3. Especially in series against Life.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
October 17 2013 14:39 GMT
#93
mana turning that from horrible to amazing with that HT and sentries usage, pretty good FFs there
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 17 2013 14:40 GMT
#94
How the hell does one forget detection?! Come on... This looked like an interesting game for a moment.
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 17 2013 14:41 GMT
#95
MMA probably scanned and couldn't believe there were no observers...
Year of MaxPax
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
October 17 2013 14:41 GMT
#96
Results as expected Korean Terran duo too strong. GG Acer!
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 14:42:12
October 17 2013 14:41 GMT
#97
Poor Mana, I'm sure he's seen terrans scan hundreds of times before trying to use cloaked ghosts. WP MMA
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 17 2013 14:43 GMT
#98
Just imagine Terran had cloaked flying units in these situations. Sadly they can't snipe observers.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 17 2013 14:44 GMT
#99
On October 17 2013 23:43 FeyFey wrote:
Just imagine Terran had cloaked flying units in these situations. Sadly they can't snipe observers.

Bring back the Wraith!
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 17 2013 14:51 GMT
#100
Acer terran duo of doom strikes again!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
October 17 2013 15:08 GMT
#101
Well done Innovation and MMA!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
elfonse
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
October 17 2013 20:16 GMT
#102
Dumb question, but do the vods get uploaded? or Do i have to subscribe to nathanias for english vods
Nathanias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
October 18 2013 02:23 GMT
#103
On October 18 2013 05:16 elfonse wrote:
Dumb question, but do the vods get uploaded? or Do i have to subscribe to nathanias for english vods


I upload VoDs, sorry I suddenly felt very ill today and haven't had a chance to port them yet
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