★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
47%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
24%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
18%
★★★- Good game (1)
6%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
6%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 1 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 2 ?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (14)
50%
★★★- Good game (8)
29%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
11%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
7%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
4%
28 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 2 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 3 ?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (8)
27%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
27%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
23%
★★★- Good game (4)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
10%
30 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 3 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
23 total votes
Your vote: Recommend sOs vs Trap game 1 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend sOs vs Trap game 2 ?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (11)
79%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
14%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend sOs vs Trap game 2 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend sOs vs Trap game 3 ?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
33%
★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
11%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend sOs vs Trap game 3 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Trap game 1 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Trap game 2 ?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (8)
42%
★★★- Good game (7)
37%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
11%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
5%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Trap game 2 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Trap game 3 ?
★★★- Good game (6)
50%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Trap game 3 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
33%
★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs sOs game 1 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend KeeN vs sOs game 2 ?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
38%
★★★- Good game (4)
31%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
23%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs sOs game 2 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend KeeN vs sOs game 3 ?
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5)
50%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
20%
★★★- Good game (2)
20%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs sOs game 3 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend decider match game 1 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend decider match game 2 ?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (4)
50%
★★★- Good game (2)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
13%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend decider match game 2 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend decider match game 3 ?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (2)
18%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
18%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend decider match game 3 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Sometimes I get annoyed when I see that the players aren't facing each other, but it's too big a bother to photoshop everyone. I wish there were a way to horizontal flip images with bbcode
On September 25 2013 17:24 lichter wrote: Sometimes I get annoyed when I see that the players aren't facing each other, but it's too big a bother to photoshop everyone. I wish there were a way to horizontal flip images with bbcode
download to phone, flip image, reupload to imgur, boom.
On September 25 2013 17:24 lichter wrote: Sometimes I get annoyed when I see that the players aren't facing each other, but it's too big a bother to photoshop everyone. I wish there were a way to horizontal flip images with bbcode
download to phone, flip image, reupload to imgur, boom.
On September 25 2013 17:50 Heartland wrote: It's possible that you're right. But don't you think there's a point to the discrepancy?
I definitely won't deny that some people who always talk about how great BW is don't bother watching sospa anymore. I'm in the " BW so good " camp but I haven't watched in ages because I don't find the semi pro competition interesting(if jangbi and bisu play I might watch again).
On September 25 2013 17:50 Heartland wrote: It's possible that you're right. But don't you think there's a point to the discrepancy?
I definitely won't deny that some people who always talk about how great BW is don't bother watching sospa anymore. I'm in the " BW so good " camp but I haven't watched in ages because I don't find the semi pro competition interesting(if jangbi and bisu play I might watch again).
I only watch Sospa while at the gym, I've seen maybe 1/5 of it or something. Actually more like 1/10th I didn't pay attention to the earliest ones
Im obviously cheering for Keen but who should I pick for 2nd place? I want to cheer for one of the P players. Maybe I should pick the underdog among the P but who is it? Trap?
On September 25 2013 18:12 Fjodorov wrote: Im obviously cheering for Keen but who should I pick for 2nd place? I want to cheer for one of the P players. Maybe I should pick the underdog among the P but who is it? Trap?
On September 25 2013 18:12 Fjodorov wrote: Im obviously cheering for Keen but who should I pick for 2nd place? I want to cheer for one of the P players. Maybe I should pick the underdog among the P but who is it? Trap?
Trap is def the underdog, he's great against Z but less so against others
i dont get why anyone would try to harass rain on 2 bases any more. why are they testint his best skill (defense on 2 base) again and again? why not super fast third?
On September 25 2013 18:20 graNite wrote: i dont get why anyone would try to harass rain on 2 bases any more. why are they testint his best skill (defense on 2 base) again and again? why not super fast third?
I don't think 1-1-1 is a bad choice against Rain, he has lost against variations of it in the past. Does he always go for the cannon in the mineral lines?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
47%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
24%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
18%
★★★- Good game (1)
6%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
6%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 1 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 25 2013 18:24 DJHelium wrote: I don't think 1-1-1 is a bad choice against Rain, he has lost against variations of it in the past. Does he always go for the cannon in the mineral lines?
He does it often enough that Artosis called it minutes before it was started.
On September 25 2013 18:24 DJHelium wrote: I don't think 1-1-1 is a bad choice against Rain, he has lost against variations of it in the past. Does he always go for the cannon in the mineral lines?
He does it often enough that Artosis called it minutes before it was started.
Ok. Maybe a variation with hellions then, think it was Gumiho that did it on Bel'shir to great success.
On September 25 2013 18:24 DJHelium wrote: I don't think 1-1-1 is a bad choice against Rain, he has lost against variations of it in the past. Does he always go for the cannon in the mineral lines?
He does it often enough that Artosis called it minutes before it was started.
Ok. Maybe a variation with hellions then, think it was Gumiho that did it on Bel'shir to great success.
SuperNova. It was on Daybreak for GuMiho.
Oh, GuMiho had also used a full proxy in the Bel'shir Vestige game, yes.
On September 25 2013 18:24 DJHelium wrote: I don't think 1-1-1 is a bad choice against Rain, he has lost against variations of it in the past. Does he always go for the cannon in the mineral lines?
He does it often enough that Artosis called it minutes before it was started.
Ok. Maybe a variation with hellions then, think it was Gumiho that did it on Bel'shir to great success.
On September 25 2013 18:11 Lunareste wrote: Hello LR thread.
Good to see all the late nighters :D
I should really be asleep ;/ I miss when I could stay up until 5 am every weekday and watch gsl without any negative consequences.
On September 25 2013 18:15 slowbacontron wrote: Lunareste. LR thread welcomes you, and anyone with PASSION.
I'm going to sleep though lol
Passion LOST like Tasteless
passion lost due to bisu's retirement and a serious lack of Mvp this year ; /
Oh god. I think you just made me realize that my two biggest loves in Starcraft are gone =/
At least I still have Flash and Jaedong.
that moment when you realize all the players you like are no longer relevant that opterown feel
Hey, Mvp will win Blizzcon and you should know that
I think It's more likely he loses in the first round, seems like he's not working very hard since the wcs s1 finals judging by the level of play he's shown.
maybe he will surprise us all but right now I kind of doubt it
On September 25 2013 18:11 Lunareste wrote: Hello LR thread.
Good to see all the late nighters :D
I should really be asleep ;/ I miss when I could stay up until 5 am every weekday and watch gsl without any negative consequences.
On September 25 2013 18:15 slowbacontron wrote: Lunareste. LR thread welcomes you, and anyone with PASSION.
I'm going to sleep though lol
Passion LOST like Tasteless
passion lost due to bisu's retirement and a serious lack of Mvp this year ; /
Oh god. I think you just made me realize that my two biggest loves in Starcraft are gone =/
At least I still have Flash and Jaedong.
that moment when you realize all the players you like are no longer relevant that opterown feel
Hey, Mvp will win Blizzcon and you should know that
I think It's more likely he loses in the first round, seems like he's not working very hard since the wcs s1 finals judging by the level of play he's shown.
maybe he will surprise us all but right now I kind of doubt it
On September 25 2013 18:11 Lunareste wrote: Hello LR thread.
Good to see all the late nighters :D
I should really be asleep ;/ I miss when I could stay up until 5 am every weekday and watch gsl without any negative consequences.
On September 25 2013 18:15 slowbacontron wrote: Lunareste. LR thread welcomes you, and anyone with PASSION.
I'm going to sleep though lol
Passion LOST like Tasteless
passion lost due to bisu's retirement and a serious lack of Mvp this year ; /
Oh god. I think you just made me realize that my two biggest loves in Starcraft are gone =/
At least I still have Flash and Jaedong.
that moment when you realize all the players you like are no longer relevant that opterown feel
Hey, Mvp will win Blizzcon and you should know that
I think It's more likely he loses in the first round, seems like he's not working very hard since the wcs s1 finals judging by the level of play he's shown.
maybe he will surprise us all but right now I kind of doubt it
Dat lazy 4 times Code S winner!
I know you're being sarcastic but I'm not joking. He's already achieved so much success that It's probably hard to maintain motivation to keep winning those titles. This is the only explanation I have for his poor play for the last 2 seasons since it shouldn't be because of his injury, seeing as he's won GSL's while injured before.
On September 25 2013 18:11 Lunareste wrote: Hello LR thread.
Good to see all the late nighters :D
I should really be asleep ;/ I miss when I could stay up until 5 am every weekday and watch gsl without any negative consequences.
On September 25 2013 18:15 slowbacontron wrote: Lunareste. LR thread welcomes you, and anyone with PASSION.
I'm going to sleep though lol
Passion LOST like Tasteless
passion lost due to bisu's retirement and a serious lack of Mvp this year ; /
Oh god. I think you just made me realize that my two biggest loves in Starcraft are gone =/
At least I still have Flash and Jaedong.
that moment when you realize all the players you like are no longer relevant that opterown feel
Hey, Mvp will win Blizzcon and you should know that
I think It's more likely he loses in the first round, seems like he's not working very hard since the wcs s1 finals judging by the level of play he's shown.
maybe he will surprise us all but right now I kind of doubt it
Good good, you're thinking exactly what he wants you to think
On September 25 2013 18:11 Lunareste wrote: Hello LR thread.
Good to see all the late nighters :D
I should really be asleep ;/ I miss when I could stay up until 5 am every weekday and watch gsl without any negative consequences.
On September 25 2013 18:15 slowbacontron wrote: Lunareste. LR thread welcomes you, and anyone with PASSION.
I'm going to sleep though lol
Passion LOST like Tasteless
passion lost due to bisu's retirement and a serious lack of Mvp this year ; /
Oh god. I think you just made me realize that my two biggest loves in Starcraft are gone =/
At least I still have Flash and Jaedong.
that moment when you realize all the players you like are no longer relevant that opterown feel
Hey, Mvp will win Blizzcon and you should know that
I think It's more likely he loses in the first round, seems like he's not working very hard since the wcs s1 finals judging by the level of play he's shown.
maybe he will surprise us all but right now I kind of doubt it
Dat lazy 4 times Code S winner!
I know you're being sarcastic but I'm not joking. He's already achieved so much success that It's probably hard to maintain motivation to keep winning those titles. This is the only explanation I have for his poor play for the last 2 seasons since it shouldn't be because of his injury, seeing as he's won GSL's while injured before.
Did he win anything in Hots? That seems like a likely explanation, otherwise.
I should really be asleep ;/ I miss when I could stay up until 5 am every weekday and watch gsl without any negative consequences.
On September 25 2013 18:15 slowbacontron wrote: Lunareste. LR thread welcomes you, and anyone with PASSION.
I'm going to sleep though lol
Passion LOST like Tasteless
passion lost due to bisu's retirement and a serious lack of Mvp this year ; /
Oh god. I think you just made me realize that my two biggest loves in Starcraft are gone =/
At least I still have Flash and Jaedong.
that moment when you realize all the players you like are no longer relevant that opterown feel
Hey, Mvp will win Blizzcon and you should know that
I think It's more likely he loses in the first round, seems like he's not working very hard since the wcs s1 finals judging by the level of play he's shown.
maybe he will surprise us all but right now I kind of doubt it
Dat lazy 4 times Code S winner!
I know you're being sarcastic but I'm not joking. He's already achieved so much success that It's probably hard to maintain motivation to keep winning those titles. This is the only explanation I have for his poor play for the last 2 seasons since it shouldn't be because of his injury, seeing as he's won GSL's while injured before.
Did he win anything in Hots? That seems like a likely explanation, otherwise.
He won the first WCS EU season against Stephano in the finals(great season, great finals, last time I truly felt passionate for sc2 = /)
I should really be asleep ;/ I miss when I could stay up until 5 am every weekday and watch gsl without any negative consequences.
On September 25 2013 18:15 slowbacontron wrote: Lunareste. LR thread welcomes you, and anyone with PASSION.
I'm going to sleep though lol
Passion LOST like Tasteless
passion lost due to bisu's retirement and a serious lack of Mvp this year ; /
Oh god. I think you just made me realize that my two biggest loves in Starcraft are gone =/
At least I still have Flash and Jaedong.
that moment when you realize all the players you like are no longer relevant that opterown feel
Hey, Mvp will win Blizzcon and you should know that
I think It's more likely he loses in the first round, seems like he's not working very hard since the wcs s1 finals judging by the level of play he's shown.
maybe he will surprise us all but right now I kind of doubt it
Dat lazy 4 times Code S winner!
I know you're being sarcastic but I'm not joking. He's already achieved so much success that It's probably hard to maintain motivation to keep winning those titles. This is the only explanation I have for his poor play for the last 2 seasons since it shouldn't be because of his injury, seeing as he's won GSL's while injured before.
Did he win anything in Hots? That seems like a likely explanation, otherwise.
WCS EU season 1, ro4 at WCS global finals, ro4 at IEM.
On September 25 2013 18:16 Lunareste wrote: [quote]
[quote]
Passion LOST like Tasteless
passion lost due to bisu's retirement and a serious lack of Mvp this year ; /
Oh god. I think you just made me realize that my two biggest loves in Starcraft are gone =/
At least I still have Flash and Jaedong.
that moment when you realize all the players you like are no longer relevant that opterown feel
Hey, Mvp will win Blizzcon and you should know that
I think It's more likely he loses in the first round, seems like he's not working very hard since the wcs s1 finals judging by the level of play he's shown.
maybe he will surprise us all but right now I kind of doubt it
Dat lazy 4 times Code S winner!
I know you're being sarcastic but I'm not joking. He's already achieved so much success that It's probably hard to maintain motivation to keep winning those titles. This is the only explanation I have for his poor play for the last 2 seasons since it shouldn't be because of his injury, seeing as he's won GSL's while injured before.
Did he win anything in Hots? That seems like a likely explanation, otherwise.
He won the first WCS EU season against Stephano in the finals(great season, great finals, last time I truly felt passionate for sc2 = /)
Oh yeah. I can't remember anything anymore.
Edit: In other news, having that Prism during the assault would have been so great. Warping in in the main during the main attack.
He won the first WCS EU season against Stephano in the finals(great season, great finals, last time I truly felt passionate for sc2 = /)
I think a lot of people feels the same way. MvP vs Stephano was clearly the best final to watch with the king of wings vs the best foreigner truly amazing.
Hope MVP will make a comeback and Scarlett will rise from ashes of Stephano to be the ONE foreigner that can kill Korean code S
He won the first WCS EU season against Stephano in the finals(great season, great finals, last time I truly felt passionate for sc2 = /)
I think a lot of people feels the same way. MvP vs Stephano was clearly the best final to watch with the king of wings vs the best foreigner truly amazing.
Hope MVP will make a comeback and Scarlett will rise from ashes of Stephano to be the ONE foreigner that can kill Korean code S
He won the first WCS EU season against Stephano in the finals(great season, great finals, last time I truly felt passionate for sc2 = /)
I think a lot of people feels the same way. MvP vs Stephano was clearly the best final to watch with the king of wings vs the best foreigner truly amazing.
Hope MVP will make a comeback and Scarlett will rise from ashes of Stephano to be the ONE foreigner that can kill Korean code S
Yeah as much as I wasn't really a fan of Stephano I really miss him bossing it up at tournaments, as good as Scarlett and Naniwa are it seems like Korea is no longer challenged. Korea has won every single premier tournament in HotS so far.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
11%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
7%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
4%
28 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 2 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 25 2013 17:44 Heartland wrote: Everyone is a BW elitist these days. Yet, no-one actually watches BW.
Edit: Good morning LR thread!
What's that?
You're the real deal though.
shit yeaaaah
How was game 1, btw? I missed it.
a failed harassment by KeeN into Rain killing KeeN's natural into KeeN not leaving the game for like 10 minutes despite being miles behind. Be glad you missed it.
On September 25 2013 18:42 Dauntless wrote: Would be cool if Ravens could repair mechanical units, of course at a way higher rate than SCVs and, naturally, at the cost of energy.
On September 25 2013 18:42 Dauntless wrote: Would be cool if Ravens could repair mechanical units, of course at a way higher rate than SCVs and, naturally, at the cost of energy.
Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Only way I've seen T win at a high level without SCV pull is when they do some sick drop damage, but never in straight up fight. Keep in mind those times have been rare.
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Your vote: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 3 ?
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On September 25 2013 18:54 SxP wrote: That's what happens when you don't pull them SCV's. Too bad Keen, but he has plenty of opportunities to rectify his play style.
The thing he should have rectified is not going up ramps against storm/coloss and not splitting.
also i don't understand why he didn't pull scvs, he had a decent timing to hit with it. it almost looked like he wanted to do it but then didn't for no reason D:
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
On September 25 2013 18:56 Dark.Carnival wrote: also i don't understand why he didn't pull scvs, he had a decent timing to hit with it. it almost looked like he wanted to do it but then didn't for no reason D:
na, he didn't want to do it. It was only Artosis making it sound like he would, but meanwhile Keen was building CCs, adding a second ebay and armory and moebius reactor. Though if he hadn't been supply blocked multiple times in the midgame, I guess it would have been a really strong option with the setup he had.
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
but your reply to MrLightning was still completely irrelevant considering what he said.
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
Who the hell is saying anything otherwise? Please do not put words into other people's mouths. I also would recommended that you might consider respecting the opinions of others and not approaching comments with a negative mindset that seeks out hidden meanings, like there is a hidden conspiracy to discredit a video game race.
sOs PvP should be entertaining. I really like sOs but I'm okay with any of these three protoss going through. Don't think Keen has much of a chance which is a-okay with me :3
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
Who the hell is saying anything otherwise? Please do not put words into other people's mouths. I also would recommended that you might consider respecting the opinions of others and not approaching comments with a negative mindset that seeks out hidden meanings, like there is a hidden conspiracy to discredit a video game race.
Sorry but in what world is "I cannot see KeeN with another result but 4-0 because its TvP" not a balance whine and not baiting for a comment? Sorry its not about negativity, I can respect other peoples opinion very well, but don't be whiny because someone called you out on that whine. And really, it was nothing short of it.
Edit: Btw I am also perfectly fine with Rain winning over KeeN, he is superior in all ways in my opinion.
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
Who the hell is saying anything otherwise? Please do not put words into other people's mouths. I also would recommended that you might consider respecting the opinions of others and not approaching comments with a negative mindset that seeks out hidden meanings, like there is a hidden conspiracy to discredit a video game race.
I like how you pretend you were't whining. 15 storms and still lost ? Lol.
On September 25 2013 18:59 Ketch wrote: I think vs Rain with his 4/5 observers, you should definitely make a 2 Viking / Raven obs hunting squad a la Gumiho, always pays off
Especially when you are on 3 bases, 2 starports with reactors are unnessary... One with a techlab will still give you enough Vikings and ravens are so cheap in minerals that you should always have at least one. Gas is never a problem in tvp.
On September 25 2013 19:06 Dark.Carnival wrote: sOs PvP should be entertaining. I really like sOs but I'm okay with any of these three protoss going through. Don't think Keen has much of a chance which is a-okay with me :3
Keen's going through in 2nd place after beating Rain with 2 scv pulls in the last match
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
Who the hell is saying anything otherwise? Please do not put words into other people's mouths. I also would recommended that you might consider respecting the opinions of others and not approaching comments with a negative mindset that seeks out hidden meanings, like there is a hidden conspiracy to discredit a video game race.
Sorry but in what world is "I cannot see KeeN with another result but 4-0 because its TvP" not a balance whine and not baiting for a comment? Sorry its not about negativity, I can respect other peoples opinion very well, but don't be whiny because someone called you out on that whine. And really, it was nothing short of it.
Edit: Btw I am also perfectly fine with Rain winning over KeeN, he is superior in all ways in my opinion.
In relation to the edit: I am not. I hoped that Keen would win. Not in a cheep and dirty win like a scv pull but the way he did in game 2, not backing down to storms and swarming Rain. I do not see a point in whining about a race I personally play as. Apology accepted by the way.
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
Who the hell is saying anything otherwise? Please do not put words into other people's mouths. I also would recommended that you might consider respecting the opinions of others and not approaching comments with a negative mindset that seeks out hidden meanings, like there is a hidden conspiracy to discredit a video game race.
Sorry but in what world is "I cannot see KeeN with another result but 4-0 because its TvP" not a balance whine and not baiting for a comment? Sorry its not about negativity, I can respect other peoples opinion very well, but don't be whiny because someone called you out on that whine. And really, it was nothing short of it.
Edit: Btw I am also perfectly fine with Rain winning over KeeN, he is superior in all ways in my opinion.
well it's just a PBU balance whining, not really surprising...
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On September 25 2013 19:03 chunkylimes wrote: Was weird listening to Tastosis going "Keen is doing this perfectly, playing exactly to Rain's weaknesses ... oh wait, nope, gg!".
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
Who the hell is saying anything otherwise? Please do not put words into other people's mouths. I also would recommended that you might consider respecting the opinions of others and not approaching comments with a negative mindset that seeks out hidden meanings, like there is a hidden conspiracy to discredit a video game race.
Sorry but in what world is "I cannot see KeeN with another result but 4-0 because its TvP" not a balance whine and not baiting for a comment? Sorry its not about negativity, I can respect other peoples opinion very well, but don't be whiny because someone called you out on that whine. And really, it was nothing short of it.
Edit: Btw I am also perfectly fine with Rain winning over KeeN, he is superior in all ways in my opinion.
In relation to the edit: I am not. I hoped that Keen would win. Not in a cheep and dirty win like a scv pull but the way he did in game 2, not backing down to storms and swarming Rain. I do not see a point in whining about a race I personally play as. Apology accepted by the way.
To be fair, not backing down from storms and swarming only works when you are far ahead like KeeN was in game 2. We saw what happens if you try to do the same when the game is more even like in game 3...
On September 25 2013 19:03 chunkylimes wrote: Was weird listening to Tastosis going "Keen is doing this perfectly, playing exactly to Rain's weaknesses ... oh wait, nope, gg!".
Happy Birthday dude
Thanks!
It's ridiculous how much better pink vs violet PvP looks than the same colours ZvZ. I can actually see whose units are whose!
On September 25 2013 18:44 MrLightning wrote: Good Game. I like seeing Terrans confront storms like that. As long as P has no follow up storms are not as scary as they seem. It must be so demoralizing to land 15+ storms on the T army as still lose.
You really cry hard about Terran right? Do you believe Rain should have won wanting to 2 base allin, being reflected and 2 upgrades behind with the proper counter and mass medivacs on the field, losing his natural because he did land 2 very good storms when KeeN did retreat? I disagree, but I am pretty sure in your mind rain was ahead.
What part of "Good Game" do you not understand? Or perhaps you did not read the "I like seeing Terrans" part? Go pick a fight with someone else please, I am not interested.
Don't mind him, dude. Naruto never stops flying the flag for the Terran race. Even when he thinks he doesn't.
Hahaha, really? I would say that someone who says "KeeN will 4-0 , because I can't see any other outcome with PvT" might be a bit whining, so how in hell did I fly the Terran flag with that? Its simply true that Rain had that game lost.
Who the hell is saying anything otherwise? Please do not put words into other people's mouths. I also would recommended that you might consider respecting the opinions of others and not approaching comments with a negative mindset that seeks out hidden meanings, like there is a hidden conspiracy to discredit a video game race.
Sorry but in what world is "I cannot see KeeN with another result but 4-0 because its TvP" not a balance whine and not baiting for a comment? Sorry its not about negativity, I can respect other peoples opinion very well, but don't be whiny because someone called you out on that whine. And really, it was nothing short of it.
Edit: Btw I am also perfectly fine with Rain winning over KeeN, he is superior in all ways in my opinion.
In relation to the edit: I am not. I hoped that Keen would win. Not in a cheep and dirty win like a scv pull but the way he did in game 2, not backing down to storms and swarming Rain. I do not see a point in whining about a race I personally play as. Apology accepted by the way.
To be fair, not backing down from storms and swarming only works when you are far ahead like KeeN was in game 2. We saw what happens if you try to do the same when the game is more even like in game 3...
Oh well, you cant win them all. Keen was just the inferior player today. That can be clearly seen in these games, unlike scv pull games where that is not really made clear.
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Poll: Recommend sOs vs Trap game 3 ?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
33%
★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
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Your vote: Recommend sOs vs Trap game 3 ?
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I was expecting sOs to roflstomp this group with his 75% PvP win rate but if he doesn't advance that's a better chance of Mvp and aLive making it to BlizzCon.... So I'm pleasantly surprised by this. :D
On September 25 2013 19:18 PhoenixHope wrote: if sOs continued his gas steal in g1, would that delay the stalkers long enough for him to have an advanatage in that?
if sOs stole the other gas as well then it would be a 2 gate zealot attack instead and sOs now is 150 minerals down for defending it.
On September 25 2013 19:18 PhoenixHope wrote: if sOs continued his gas steal in g1, would that delay the stalkers long enough for him to have an advanatage in that?
if sOs stole the other gas as well then it would be a 2 gate zealot attack instead and sOs now is 150 minerals down for defending it.
but if he ended up getting a stalker out he could micro that against them right? you think he would die first?
On September 25 2013 19:21 aZealot wrote: Even with all the developments to PvP in HOTS, it's great that the PvP shenanigans still endure.
PvP sure delivers its fair share of interesting games these days
Indeed. You're never sure what you'll get.
Time for another PvP. And then bed. Work tomorrow.
yep PvP is the one matchup where you will never be sure what the players will do. There are just so many viable openings that pretty much anything goes and unexpected outcomes happen.
On September 25 2013 19:18 PhoenixHope wrote: if sOs continued his gas steal in g1, would that delay the stalkers long enough for him to have an advanatage in that?
if sOs stole the other gas as well then it would be a 2 gate zealot attack instead and sOs now is 150 minerals down for defending it.
but if he ended up getting a stalker out he could micro that against them right? you think he would die first?
not when the 2 gasses cost the same as a whole gateway. It's always a stretch defending 2 gate zealots with 1 gate, except now you spent gateway money on offensive gasses and your gateway is also late.
On September 25 2013 19:25 Ammanas wrote: omg, while I like Trap, I really want sOs and Rain to advance -.- Don't let me down sOs!
Also, in Rain vs Keen games, were the first and third game really bad, or is it just that Protoss beat Terran and people mad?
Game 1 was not a very good one. Game 2 was a good game, as was Game 3 for the smart play by Keen. His control let him down in Game 3, though. He missed a possible scv pull timing, let Rain back into the game a little, and then marched his army up a ramp into storms and lasers before giving up his Vikings in a vain attempt to kill Colossi. GG.
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On September 25 2013 19:39 gobbledydook wrote: yeah DT is basically auto win against gateway rushes.
Well not completely. After a certain amount of time it is, but there is a pretty scary timing window in which Trap can push in far enough to see the shrine and react in time while having more gateway units. Rain played that very well.
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★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
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★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
18%
★★★- Good game (1)
6%
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6%
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 3 ?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (8)
27%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
27%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
23%
★★★- Good game (4)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
10%
30 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs KeeN game 3 ?
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ugh all the time i hear this.. it's not 'one more colossi', it's 'one more colossus'. The plural of colossus is misused all the time by these english casters...
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs Trap game 3 ?
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50%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
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8%
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On September 25 2013 20:03 TyrantPotato wrote: Grats to rain hope he runs deep.
Colossus are interesting dynamic units to spectate indeed.
hey their lasers actually swing and look big they're the best lasers, think of what else has lasers void ray lasers don't even move battlecruiser lasers look more like a spray pdd lasers can't even do damage
i cant even point out how much this "pray for the lost and lonely" song bothers me... it is so annoying and wrong! i helped a friend of mine who suffers from depression recently and praying definitly does not help. fcking religions
On September 25 2013 20:03 TyrantPotato wrote: Grats to rain hope he runs deep.
Colossus are interesting dynamic units to spectate indeed.
hey their lasers actually swing and look big they're the best lasers, think of what else has lasers void ray lasers don't even move battlecruiser lasers look more like a spray pdd lasers can't even do damage
I can't help but think there's supposed to be a melody with these lines ~~
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33%
★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
11%
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On September 25 2013 20:40 pookums wrote: I hope Keen has tried that suicide attack to kill probes in practice a lot. As a spectator it doesn't seem like it's worth it.
? Without this attack he would have been massively behind. He killed 12 Probes with it.
Massive doomdrop, 30 supply ahead, forcing the out of place P army to funnel through the nexus and a pylon - lose battle into die to colossus. Great stuff there.
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50%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
20%
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20%
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10%
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Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs sOs game 3 ?
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On September 25 2013 20:47 Ghanburighan wrote: Massive doomdrop, 30 supply ahead, forcing the out of place P army to funnel through the nexus and a pylon - lose battle into die to colossus. Great stuff there.
On September 25 2013 20:47 Ghanburighan wrote: Massive doomdrop, 30 supply ahead, forcing the out of place P army to funnel through the nexus and a pylon - lose battle into die to colossus. Great stuff there.
His micro besides hitting the EMPs was bad
What micro? There is no micro possible vs charge zealots and Collosus. He was defending also so there was no posibility to retreat into an open ground.
On September 25 2013 20:47 Ghanburighan wrote: Massive doomdrop, 30 supply ahead, forcing the out of place P army to funnel through the nexus and a pylon - lose battle into die to colossus. Great stuff there.
His micro besides hitting the EMPs was bad
What micro? There is no micro possible vs charge zealots and Collosus. He was defending also so there was no posibility to retreat into an open ground.
.. the fact that you believe you cant / dont have to micro makes me think you are just a troll and that i shouldnt even respont to you.
but i'll do it anyways. he didnt focus the archons which basicly had 10 health, and he could have snipped both colossi at the end if he stimmed again and focus fired
On September 25 2013 20:51 BlackCompany wrote: Wow, i can kill monsters and go into dungeons. Quickly, call the press. There is a gameplay revolution going on here!
You forgot the best part - ON YOUR PHONE! For example, if you are on the shitter, driving a car, could have meaningful conversations and interactions with real people etc...!
so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
tough call for this series, I like sOs a lot but I've been liking Trap more and more D: I think it would be better if Trap made it through, with Dear and Trap in ro8 that would be a nice boost of confidence for Soul.
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
Get rid of her asap, girlfriends are bad for your starcraft
On September 25 2013 20:51 BlackCompany wrote: Wow, i can kill monsters and go into dungeons. Quickly, call the press. There is a gameplay revolution going on here!
You forgot the best part - ON YOUR PHONE! For example, if you are on the shitter, driving a car, could have meaningful conversations and interactions with real people etc...!
Hell yeah, everytime someone wants to talk to me i can now say: " sorry, i gotta go into that dungeon and kill some monsters"
I really gonna get that game! Maybe im going to get that ultra realistic Zombie shooter and WW2 game aswell
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
Get rid of her asap, girlfriends are bad for your starcraft
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
Get rid of her asap, girlfriends are bad for your starcraft
you convinced me. i'll let her know.
since you're Austrian too, maybe you wanna take her? probably not much to lose in terms of sc2 skill
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
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★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
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★★★- Good game (0)
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★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
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Your vote: Recommend decider match game 1 ?
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On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
Nice, but this belongs in a girl blog :p
Yes, because only girls feel love. Guys like starcraft and beer.
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
Nice, but this belongs in a girl blog :p
Yes, because only girls feel love. Guys like starcraft and beer.
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
> New relationship > Love
Pick one and only one tbh. Real love requires time!
Anyway back on subject, just got to work, nice to see Rain killing it today, hoping to god sOs pulls this out. My protoss heroes
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Your vote: Recommend decider match game 2 ?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
SoS had like absolutely no micro during that first big fight where the nexus almost died. His 3 immortals were hardly attacking and when they did they were hitting zealots and sentries. It would be hard to micro that much worse without intentionally killing your units.
On September 25 2013 20:03 TyrantPotato wrote: Grats to rain hope he runs deep.
Colossus are interesting dynamic units to spectate indeed.
hey their lasers actually swing and look big they're the best lasers, think of what else has lasers void ray lasers don't even move battlecruiser lasers look more like a spray pdd lasers can't even do damage
I can't help but think there's supposed to be a melody with these lines ~~
"Colossi are boss! I deny that I lie, They amaze us with lazers!" I brazenly cry. "There is micro, unlike those detested infestors Whose growth I am loath to suggest is the best! His Colloxen outfoxed an opponent whose moment To capitalise on his ill-advised foe went Completely unspent and without incident! No surprise, then, supplies tended thence to converge No legerdemain gave the edge, sir, to Rain."
Except Trap as we just saw. There was no way he wasn't gonna target it if he had health bars.
He blink with too much stalkers to kill sOs immortals. He probably could have blinked less and kill both the immortals and the nexus ensuring his victory.
On September 25 2013 20:03 TyrantPotato wrote: Grats to rain hope he runs deep.
Colossus are interesting dynamic units to spectate indeed.
hey their lasers actually swing and look big they're the best lasers, think of what else has lasers void ray lasers don't even move battlecruiser lasers look more like a spray pdd lasers can't even do damage
I can't help but think there's supposed to be a melody with these lines ~~
"Colossi are boss! I deny that I lie, They amaze us with lazers!" I brazenly cry. "There is micro, unlike those detested infestors Whose growth I am loath to suggest is the best! His Colloxen outfoxed an opponent whose moment To capitalise on his ill-advised foe went Completely unspent and without incident! No surprise, then, supplies tended thence to converge No legerdemain gave the edge, sir, to Rain."
On September 25 2013 20:03 TyrantPotato wrote: Grats to rain hope he runs deep.
Colossus are interesting dynamic units to spectate indeed.
hey their lasers actually swing and look big they're the best lasers, think of what else has lasers void ray lasers don't even move battlecruiser lasers look more like a spray pdd lasers can't even do damage
I can't help but think there's supposed to be a melody with these lines ~~
"Colossi are boss! I deny that I lie, They amaze us with lazers!" I brazenly cry. "There is micro, unlike those detested infestors Whose growth I am loath to suggest is the best! His Colloxen outfoxed an opponent whose moment To capitalise on his ill-advised foe went Completely unspent and without incident! No surprise, then, supplies tended thence to converge No legerdemain gave the edge, sir, to Rain."
On September 25 2013 20:03 TyrantPotato wrote: Grats to rain hope he runs deep.
Colossus are interesting dynamic units to spectate indeed.
hey their lasers actually swing and look big they're the best lasers, think of what else has lasers void ray lasers don't even move battlecruiser lasers look more like a spray pdd lasers can't even do damage
I can't help but think there's supposed to be a melody with these lines ~~
"Colossi are boss! I deny that I lie, They amaze us with lazers!" I brazenly cry. "There is micro, unlike those detested infestors Whose growth I am loath to suggest is the best! His Colloxen outfoxed an opponent whose moment To capitalise on his ill-advised foe went Completely unspent and without incident! No surprise, then, supplies tended thence to converge No legerdemain gave the edge, sir, to Rain."
^^ What's the original?
The original what?
Song/poem? Or did you just write that for yourself? Seems like it was from somewhere and you changed some of the words.
The battle where the nexus didn't die was surreal, sOs had 2 of his 3 immortals no shooting when just 2 actions could make space for them while Tarp just forgot the nexus, pretty wtf moment.
On September 25 2013 20:03 TyrantPotato wrote: Grats to rain hope he runs deep.
Colossus are interesting dynamic units to spectate indeed.
hey their lasers actually swing and look big they're the best lasers, think of what else has lasers void ray lasers don't even move battlecruiser lasers look more like a spray pdd lasers can't even do damage
I can't help but think there's supposed to be a melody with these lines ~~
"Colossi are boss! I deny that I lie, They amaze us with lazers!" I brazenly cry. "There is micro, unlike those detested infestors Whose growth I am loath to suggest is the best! His Colloxen outfoxed an opponent whose moment To capitalise on his ill-advised foe went Completely unspent and without incident! No surprise, then, supplies tended thence to converge No legerdemain gave the edge, sir, to Rain."
^^ What's the original?
The original what?
Song/poem? Or did you just write that for yourself? Seems like it was from somewhere and you changed some of the words.
On September 25 2013 20:57 Schelim wrote: so i just talked to my new gf on the phone for like 10 mins and now i'll probably be happy as fuck for the rest of the day. holy shit i forgot what it feels like to be fresh in love.
Get rid of her asap, girlfriends are bad for your starcraft
you convinced me. i'll let her know.
since you're Austrian too, maybe you wanna take her? probably not much to lose in terms of sc2 skill
I just came back, had to take a cold shower after that gigantic burn D:
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (2)
18%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
18%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
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Your vote: Recommend decider match game 3 ?
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oh come on artosis you got to be kidding me ._. "Immortals are good against zealots, believe it or not tasteless" 30 secs later 8 immortals die to zealots poor sos
On September 25 2013 21:36 Aunvilgod wrote: Oh god PvP is such a bad matchup.
Well, if you can win with an inferior composition/one that got countered and are still able to win it's not so bad I think. It's not only rock, paper, scissors.
kinda sad sOs lost but as I said earlier I think it's better if Trap goes on to join Dear in ro8. Soul may get some confidence now with two players doing well in WCS~
nice day of games, PvP in hots is sooooooo much better and entertaining than wol pvp. also Trap + sOs make for some interesting games in PvP/PvT
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
sad carrier is sad
Grubby vs HasuObs. Grubby even managed to win that game.
On September 25 2013 21:36 Dark.Carnival wrote: once again sOs and his shitty pvp control nets him another loss to Trap
it wasn't just the control. sOs forced Trap to go for a final engagement by killing his third but then forgets the make zealots/archons to tank. 6-8 zealot and an archon wins him that fight.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
sad carrier is sad
Hey even those are useful sometimes. Like in Grubby vs HasuObs :D
On September 25 2013 21:34 Ketch wrote: Uhhh... longest range in the game, moves forward over army??? What is that tempest doing??
Edit: Oh move command!
Being controlled with the micro of a protoss player.
Pretty obvious that he tried to right click a colossus and missed it and issued a move command instead. It can happen to anyone. However, it was pretty bad unit control all through the series.
But I guess everything that isn't stutterstepping or splitting isn't micro in the eyes of Terrans like you.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech. PvP can be pretty much everything. Void ray compositions, mass phoenix, chargelot/archon/immortal, colossus compositions are all viable albeit not equally effective at every stage of the game and against everything. And those are just general unit compositions, there's about a million ways to play around with them and to get there.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech. PvP can be pretty much everything. Void ray compositions, mass phoenix, chargelot/archon/immortal, colossus compositions are all viable albeit not equally effective at every stage of the game and against everything. And those are just general unit compositions, there's about a million ways to play around with them and to get there.
First, why are you arguing this here? I put the blame on you DLO for making an outlandish claim that works as trollbait.
Second, bio/tank and mech cannot be compared to stargate or robo or twilight tech. When did you last see a protoss lategame army that does not consist of all of those? There might be a question whether to add stargate at all, but generally the idea is to try to get away for more teching without dying. This seems to be very different from the fundamental difference in style between bio, bio/tank and mech as those exclude each other. It does not make sense to say that the bio player teched up to mech. Or that the bio/tank player teched up to mech. That just does not happen.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
Tbh TvT only has 1 tech route so comparing it to PvP is incorrect. Granted both of those match-ups are pretty good to watch.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
This has nothing to do with anything and is your opinion only.
There are only two general tech routes though, mech and bio. You can open starport but you'll have to transition into either one of them immediately after or you lose. You can open hellion drop or proxy something, same story. In PvP you can either transition out or stay on that tech. You can switch anytime you see an opportunity whereas going from one to the other in TvT is impossible. PvP feels a lot more flexible than TvT.
On September 25 2013 21:36 Undead1993 wrote: oh come on artosis you got to be kidding me ._. "Immortals are good against zealots, believe it or not tasteless" 30 secs later 8 immortals die to zealots poor sos
On September 25 2013 21:36 Undead1993 wrote: oh come on artosis you got to be kidding me ._. "Immortals are good against zealots, believe it or not tasteless" 30 secs later 8 immortals die to zealots poor sos
The Artosis curse carrying over to units now?
Yeah, I guess it is that strong :D And even when being ironic the Artosis curse works.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
This has nothing to do with anything and is your opinion only.
There are only two general tech routes though, mech and bio. You can open starport but you'll have to transition into either or you lose. You can open hellion drop or proxy something, same story. In PvP you can either transition out or stay on that tech. You can switch anytime you see an opportunity whereas going from one to the other in TvT is impossible. PvP feels a lot more flexible than TvT.
So my opinion is only my opinion, but yours' is an argument ?(Despite me pointing out reasons why I think so) Also, then what is a tech route ? You compare two fundamentally different races, but pick only those 'arguments' about tech choices that supports your opinion and dismiss others ? I can oversimplify protoss play style the same as you did with terrans: you either go gateway tech focused or robo focused. You can open with stargate to harass but transitioning to it during early game is impossible because you will die. Isn't the same with TvT? Having a raven, few banshees or some vikings is considered as a transitioning out of starport opening, but mixing in few voidrays or some phenixes is 'another available tech route in PvP'. And no, you can transition in TvT, and if you payed at least any attention to high level past-mid game TvTs you would have noticed smooth transitions to skyterran (from both meching player and bio player), bio with tank support (form bio player against meching player) and even raven viking (from bio player with a lot of spare gas). At later stages of the game, you will even see ghosts to EMP ravens and BC. Also- nukes. Your discussion skills and cherry picking is just silly.
So what you feel doesn't mean a lot, and majority of people do agree that TvT still holds the title as most flexible and interesting match-up of all (however it must be played at korean level to be so). And you can notice that by reactions of viewers after every good TvT in any major tournament. Same can't be said about PvP.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
One could say I am the blind protoss fan (TheDwf would I guess ^^), but really it does not apply to DLO. I actually sometimes found that he sounded more like a terran fanboy. But he's not neither, he just gives his impressions on the game that's it.
On September 25 2013 20:03 TyrantPotato wrote: Grats to rain hope he runs deep.
Colossus are interesting dynamic units to spectate indeed.
hey their lasers actually swing and look big they're the best lasers, think of what else has lasers void ray lasers don't even move battlecruiser lasers look more like a spray pdd lasers can't even do damage
I can't help but think there's supposed to be a melody with these lines ~~
"Colossi are boss! I deny that I lie, They amaze us with lazers!" I brazenly cry. "There is micro, unlike those detested infestors Whose growth I am loath to suggest is the best! His Colloxen outfoxed an opponent whose moment To capitalise on his ill-advised foe went Completely unspent and without incident! No surprise, then, supplies tended thence to converge No legerdemain gave the edge, sir, to Rain."
Congrats buddy, that poem was much better than this group's games
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
This has nothing to do with anything and is your opinion only.
There are only two general tech routes though, mech and bio. You can open starport but you'll have to transition into either or you lose. You can open hellion drop or proxy something, same story. In PvP you can either transition out or stay on that tech. You can switch anytime you see an opportunity whereas going from one to the other in TvT is impossible. PvP feels a lot more flexible than TvT.
So my opinion is only my opinion, but yours' is an argument ?(Despite me pointing out reasons why I think so) Also, then what is a tech route ? You compare two fundamentally different races, but pick only those 'arguments' about tech choices that supports your opinion and dismiss others ? I can oversimplify protoss play style the same as you did with terrans: you either go gateway tech focused or robo focused. You can open with stargate to harass but transitioning to it during early game is impossible because you will die. Isn't the same with TvT? Having a raven, few banshees or some vikings is considered as a transitioning out of starport opening, but mixing in few voidrays or some phenixes is 'another available tech route in PvP'. And no, you can transition in TvT, and if you payed at least any attention to high level past-mid game TvTs you would have noticed smooth transitions to skyterran (from both meching player and bio player), bio with tank support (form bio player against meching player) and even raven viking (from bio player with a lot of spare gas). At later stages of the game, you will even see ghosts to EMP ravens and BC. Also- nukes. Your discussion skills and cherry picking is just silly.
So what you feel doesn't mean a lot, and majority of people do agree that TvT still holds the title as most flexible and interesting match-up of all (however it must be played at korean level to be so). And you can notice that by reactions of viewers after every good TvT in any major tournament. Same can't be said about PvP.
Doesn't really matter if PvP is more ""flexible"", doesn't really matter what they make or switch up, they're all protoss units in the end Nothing can match the beauty of TvT : ) It's What a real RTS game should look like!!
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
This has nothing to do with anything and is your opinion only.
There are only two general tech routes though, mech and bio. You can open starport but you'll have to transition into either or you lose. You can open hellion drop or proxy something, same story. In PvP you can either transition out or stay on that tech. You can switch anytime you see an opportunity whereas going from one to the other in TvT is impossible. PvP feels a lot more flexible than TvT.
So my opinion is only my opinion, but yours' is an argument ?(Despite me pointing out reasons why I think so) Also, then what is a tech route ? You compare two fundamentally different races, but pick only those 'arguments' about tech choices that supports your opinion and dismiss others ? I can oversimplify protoss play style the same as you did with terrans: you either go gateway tech focused or robo focused. You can open with stargate to harass but transitioning to it during early game is impossible because you will die. Isn't the same with TvT? Having a raven, few banshees or some vikings is considered as a transitioning out of starport opening, but mixing in few voidrays or some phenixes is 'another available tech route in PvP'. And no, you can transition in TvT, and if you payed at least any attention to high level past-mid game TvTs you would have noticed smooth transitions to skyterran (from both meching player and bio player), bio with tank support (form bio player against meching player) and even raven viking (from bio player with a lot of spare gas). At later stages of the game, you will even see ghosts to EMP ravens and BC. Also- nukes. Your discussion skills and cherry picking is just silly.
So what you feel doesn't mean a lot, and majority of people do agree that TvT still holds the title as most flexible and interesting match-up of all (however it must be played at korean level to be so). And you can notice that by reactions of viewers after every good TvT in any major tournament. Same can't be said about PvP.
Doesn't really matter if PvP is more ""flexible"", doesn't really matter what they make or switch up, they're all protoss units in the end Nothing can match the beauty of TvT : ) It's What a real RTS game should look like!!
I don't like TvT too much for the above quoted reasons, and kinda like the PvP in HotS for all its variations. But tastes cannot be discussed I guess
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
This has nothing to do with anything and is your opinion only.
There are only two general tech routes though, mech and bio. You can open starport but you'll have to transition into either or you lose. You can open hellion drop or proxy something, same story. In PvP you can either transition out or stay on that tech. You can switch anytime you see an opportunity whereas going from one to the other in TvT is impossible. PvP feels a lot more flexible than TvT.
So my opinion is only my opinion, but yours' is an argument ?(Despite me pointing out reasons why I think so) Also, then what is a tech route ? You compare two fundamentally different races, but pick only those 'arguments' about tech choices that supports your opinion and dismiss others ? I can oversimplify protoss play style the same as you did with terrans: you either go gateway tech focused or robo focused. You can open with stargate to harass but transitioning to it during early game is impossible because you will die. Isn't the same with TvT? Having a raven, few banshees or some vikings is considered as a transitioning out of starport opening, but mixing in few voidrays or some phenixes is 'another available tech route in PvP'. And no, you can transition in TvT, and if you payed at least any attention to high level past-mid game TvTs you would have noticed smooth transitions to skyterran (from both meching player and bio player), bio with tank support (form bio player against meching player) and even raven viking (from bio player with a lot of spare gas). At later stages of the game, you will even see ghosts to EMP ravens and BC. Also- nukes. Your discussion skills and cherry picking is just silly.
So what you feel doesn't mean a lot, and majority of people do agree that TvT still holds the title as most flexible and interesting match-up of all (however it must be played at korean level to be so). And you can notice that by reactions of viewers after every good TvT in any major tournament. Same can't be said about PvP.
Doesn't really matter if PvP is more ""flexible"", doesn't really matter what they make or switch up, they're all protoss units in the end Nothing can match the beauty of TvT : ) It's What a real RTS game should look like!!
I don't like TvT too much for the above quoted reasons, and kinda like the PvP in HotS for all its variations. But tastes cannot be discussed I guess
You don't like terran much, i can see that from all your whining posts about them. TvT is typically the most popular matchup to watch and has been for a long time. Many of the most highly recommended games and memorable games are TvT. Of course people have different opinions but generally that's how it is
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
One could say I am the blind protoss fan (TheDwf would I guess ^^), but really it does not apply to DLO. I actually sometimes found that he sounded more like a terran fanboy. But he's not neither, he just gives his impressions on the game that's it.
:O I come off as a terran fanboy? I mean I really like TvZ and TvT but wouldn't say it's because of the terran race, rather because of the way units interact with each other. Same reason I love PvP.
On September 25 2013 23:12 lichter wrote: I've been arguing for the merits of PvZ for a few months now, I'm glad people are seeing it too
Always depends on whether or not there are swarmhosts
EffOrt vs Classic on Whirlwind was pretty cool
Swarmhosts can be interesting too, just not on one lane maps like Akilon
You know what, I can agree with that. That's always been that way though. As long as you can abuse immobility, be it against swarmhosts, slow protoss deathballs, mech or whatever, I think that's good map design. The stronger army shouldn't always win in my opinion. There should be ways around it, otherwise too many potentially viable styles are eliminated just because you can't eternally dodge their army and will get steamrolled if that happens.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
One could say I am the blind protoss fan (TheDwf would I guess ^^), but really it does not apply to DLO. I actually sometimes found that he sounded more like a terran fanboy. But he's not neither, he just gives his impressions on the game that's it.
:O I come off as a terran fanboy? I mean I really like TvZ and TvT but wouldn't say it's because of the terran race, rather because of the way units interact with each other. Same reason I love PvP.
No I mean in the past, you were a huge fan of some terran players iirc. Not that it means you are a terran fanboy anyway. Sorry if my impressions/recalls about you were totally wrong, it wasn't against you anyway, I was actually kinda "defending" you against some accusations of blind protoss fanboyism And I am sure you are not.
Looks like the Semis will be stacked with protoss. This RO8 lacks Terrans with momentum, unless Maru still has it. Innovation is slipping, and had a rather short peroid when he got to top 3 in tournaments and that was during the first few months after HOTS was release. he has been on the decline ever since from what i can tell. Im not saying either is bad, but right now i would say they are just about round 16-level. making Maru advancing might be terrans best chance. I believe he has the best TvP out of any remaining Terran.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
This has nothing to do with anything and is your opinion only.
There are only two general tech routes though, mech and bio. You can open starport but you'll have to transition into either or you lose. You can open hellion drop or proxy something, same story. In PvP you can either transition out or stay on that tech. You can switch anytime you see an opportunity whereas going from one to the other in TvT is impossible. PvP feels a lot more flexible than TvT.
So my opinion is only my opinion, but yours' is an argument ?(Despite me pointing out reasons why I think so) Also, then what is a tech route ? You compare two fundamentally different races, but pick only those 'arguments' about tech choices that supports your opinion and dismiss others ? I can oversimplify protoss play style the same as you did with terrans: you either go gateway tech focused or robo focused. You can open with stargate to harass but transitioning to it during early game is impossible because you will die. Isn't the same with TvT? Having a raven, few banshees or some vikings is considered as a transitioning out of starport opening, but mixing in few voidrays or some phenixes is 'another available tech route in PvP'. And no, you can transition in TvT, and if you payed at least any attention to high level past-mid game TvTs you would have noticed smooth transitions to skyterran (from both meching player and bio player), bio with tank support (form bio player against meching player) and even raven viking (from bio player with a lot of spare gas). At later stages of the game, you will even see ghosts to EMP ravens and BC. Also- nukes. Your discussion skills and cherry picking is just silly.
So what you feel doesn't mean a lot, and majority of people do agree that TvT still holds the title as most flexible and interesting match-up of all (however it must be played at korean level to be so). And you can notice that by reactions of viewers after every good TvT in any major tournament. Same can't be said about PvP.
Doesn't really matter if PvP is more ""flexible"", doesn't really matter what they make or switch up, they're all protoss units in the end Nothing can match the beauty of TvT : ) It's What a real RTS game should look like!!
I don't like TvT too much for the above quoted reasons, and kinda like the PvP in HotS for all its variations. But tastes cannot be discussed I guess
You don't like terran much, i can see that from all your whining posts about them. TvT is typically the most popular matchup to watch and has been for a long time. Many of the most highly recommended games and memorable games are TvT. Of course people have different opinions but generally that's how it is
Probably most of the people think that but not me. And it has nothing to do with me prefering the protoss race to the terran race.
It's more because of the variety of the m-u. I did hate the PvP in WoL and I remember mentionning it. In WoL TvZ was probably the best m-u to me, I was not a huge fan of TvT compared to TvP and ZvZ, but I recognized several times that it was still much better to watch compared to PvP and PvZ. And these two m-u improved a lot in HotS, so that I now prefer PvP to TvT. I like variations and stuff. The TvT with its positionning and multi prong harass is really cool to see sometimes, but it still has less variations imho.
Also recently I "whine" a lot against these ugly scv pulls, that are really not interesting to watch at all. If only TvP had stayed as it was before the last HB nerf :`(
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
This has nothing to do with anything and is your opinion only.
There are only two general tech routes though, mech and bio. You can open starport but you'll have to transition into either or you lose. You can open hellion drop or proxy something, same story. In PvP you can either transition out or stay on that tech. You can switch anytime you see an opportunity whereas going from one to the other in TvT is impossible. PvP feels a lot more flexible than TvT.
So my opinion is only my opinion, but yours' is an argument ?(Despite me pointing out reasons why I think so) Also, then what is a tech route ? You compare two fundamentally different races, but pick only those 'arguments' about tech choices that supports your opinion and dismiss others ? I can oversimplify protoss play style the same as you did with terrans: you either go gateway tech focused or robo focused. You can open with stargate to harass but transitioning to it during early game is impossible because you will die. Isn't the same with TvT? Having a raven, few banshees or some vikings is considered as a transitioning out of starport opening, but mixing in few voidrays or some phenixes is 'another available tech route in PvP'. And no, you can transition in TvT, and if you payed at least any attention to high level past-mid game TvTs you would have noticed smooth transitions to skyterran (from both meching player and bio player), bio with tank support (form bio player against meching player) and even raven viking (from bio player with a lot of spare gas). At later stages of the game, you will even see ghosts to EMP ravens and BC. Also- nukes. Your discussion skills and cherry picking is just silly.
So what you feel doesn't mean a lot, and majority of people do agree that TvT still holds the title as most flexible and interesting match-up of all (however it must be played at korean level to be so). And you can notice that by reactions of viewers after every good TvT in any major tournament. Same can't be said about PvP.
Doesn't really matter if PvP is more ""flexible"", doesn't really matter what they make or switch up, they're all protoss units in the end Nothing can match the beauty of TvT : ) It's What a real RTS game should look like!!
I don't like TvT too much for the above quoted reasons, and kinda like the PvP in HotS for all its variations. But tastes cannot be discussed I guess
You don't like terran much, i can see that from all your whining posts about them. TvT is typically the most popular matchup to watch and has been for a long time. Many of the most highly recommended games and memorable games are TvT. Of course people have different opinions but generally that's how it is
Also, I should add that if you think I am whining about terrans, it is more disappointment that whining most of the time.
Actually I had not a lot of time to watch SC2 recently, and in fact I watched a lot of finals in important tourneys, most of them being won by terrans.
On September 25 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: PvP probably has the widest range of viable builds, strategies and tech routes out of any matchup. Every unit has a role in PvP. It's pretty cool.
Mhm, TvT ?
Not really. In PvP you can open with every tech route, you can fast expand, you can do crazy cheese like cannon rushes, proxy gates, you can proxy pretty much everything, you can go every tech route and cheese with it, you can go every tech route and macro with it.
TvT is either bio/tank or mech.
You can not only open with all routes of tech in TvT, but you can do a lot of their variations as well, from gas first into fast starport, reactor hellion expand, reaper expand, 14 CC and etc. As well in TvT you can have have most interesting mid game compositions (Marine/Tank, Mass Hellion/Viking/Banshee, Pure Bio, Pure mech). Also, you can go either bio, mech or sky terran at later stages at the game. While compositions in PvP gets pretty stale and similar.
And with that last sentence, you just sound like a blind protoss fan with not much of TvT knowledge.
This has nothing to do with anything and is your opinion only.
There are only two general tech routes though, mech and bio. You can open starport but you'll have to transition into either or you lose. You can open hellion drop or proxy something, same story. In PvP you can either transition out or stay on that tech. You can switch anytime you see an opportunity whereas going from one to the other in TvT is impossible. PvP feels a lot more flexible than TvT.
So my opinion is only my opinion, but yours' is an argument ?(Despite me pointing out reasons why I think so) Also, then what is a tech route ? You compare two fundamentally different races, but pick only those 'arguments' about tech choices that supports your opinion and dismiss others ? I can oversimplify protoss play style the same as you did with terrans: you either go gateway tech focused or robo focused. You can open with stargate to harass but transitioning to it during early game is impossible because you will die. Isn't the same with TvT? Having a raven, few banshees or some vikings is considered as a transitioning out of starport opening, but mixing in few voidrays or some phenixes is 'another available tech route in PvP'. And no, you can transition in TvT, and if you payed at least any attention to high level past-mid game TvTs you would have noticed smooth transitions to skyterran (from both meching player and bio player), bio with tank support (form bio player against meching player) and even raven viking (from bio player with a lot of spare gas). At later stages of the game, you will even see ghosts to EMP ravens and BC. Also- nukes. Your discussion skills and cherry picking is just silly.
So what you feel doesn't mean a lot, and majority of people do agree that TvT still holds the title as most flexible and interesting match-up of all (however it must be played at korean level to be so). And you can notice that by reactions of viewers after every good TvT in any major tournament. Same can't be said about PvP.
Doesn't really matter if PvP is more ""flexible"", doesn't really matter what they make or switch up, they're all protoss units in the end Nothing can match the beauty of TvT : ) It's What a real RTS game should look like!!
I don't like TvT too much for the above quoted reasons, and kinda like the PvP in HotS for all its variations. But tastes cannot be discussed I guess
You don't like terran much, i can see that from all your whining posts about them. TvT is typically the most popular matchup to watch and has been for a long time. Many of the most highly recommended games and memorable games are TvT. Of course people have different opinions but generally that's how it is
Most of that is just leftover nostalgia from a time past when all Protoss MUs were bad in Wings. This is no longer the case, the Protoss matchups(sans Terran) are greatly improved and SHOULD be considered the best matchups right now. For whatever reason people are resistant to this idea, but we have seen a lot of fantastic PvZ in HOTS.
On September 25 2013 23:51 sc2holar wrote: Looks like the Semis will be stacked with protoss. This RO8 lacks Terrans with momentum, unless Maru still has it. Innovation is slipping, and had a rather short peroid when he got to top 3 in tournaments and that was during the first few months after HOTS was release. he has been on the decline ever since from what i can tell. Im not saying either is bad, but right now i would say they are just about round 16-level. making Maru advancing might be terrans best chance. I believe he has the best TvP out of any remaining Terran.
WHERE IS OUR BOMBER
pretty sure innovation is still reaching top4 of almost every tournament he enters...
Where are the VODs? Usually they're really quick to upload them. I would read around in here but I don't want to get spoiled lol. edit: haha, right in the post above me...
On September 26 2013 08:03 Die4Ever wrote: Where are the VODs? Usually they're really quick to upload them. I would read around in here but I don't want to get spoiled lol. edit: haha, right in the post above me...
On September 26 2013 08:03 Die4Ever wrote: Where are the VODs? Usually they're really quick to upload them. I would read around in here but I don't want to get spoiled lol. edit: haha, right in the post above me...
You will get spoiled by the way twitch VODs are arranged instead.
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