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Wow Revival played that out pretty horribly... Engaging phoenix over top of two cannons, going muta's vs 3 stargate play and making it blatantly obvious? That one was tough to watch lol
That was some one the worst executed hydra into muta switch I've seen. I still love seeing people doing that style die to phoenixes tho, so beautiful watching the mutalisks get ripped apart
On September 25 2013 07:30 Waxangel wrote: looks like everything loses to phoenixes today :D
The only thing phoenix don't counter is buildings and massive units that can't shoot up.
On September 25 2013 07:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Wow Revival played that out pretty horribly... Engaging phoenix over top of two cannons, going muta's vs 3 stargate play and making it blatantly obvious? That one was tough to watch lol
Seemed like a failed adaptation of Nerchio's ZvP stylings imo. The last time I saw Nerhcio play against star gate he had double spire though, and took much better engages. The phoenix count definitely wasn't that high.
On September 25 2013 07:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Wow Revival played that out pretty horribly... Engaging phoenix over top of two cannons, going muta's vs 3 stargate play and making it blatantly obvious? That one was tough to watch lol
Seemed like a failed adaptation of Nerchio's ZvP stylings imo. The last time I saw Nerhcio play against star gate he had double spire though, and took much better engages. The phoenix count definitely wasn't that high.
On September 25 2013 07:30 Waxangel wrote: looks like everything loses to phoenixes today :D
The only thing phoenix don't counter is buildings and massive units that can't shoot up.
On September 25 2013 07:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Wow Revival played that out pretty horribly... Engaging phoenix over top of two cannons, going muta's vs 3 stargate play and making it blatantly obvious? That one was tough to watch lol
Seemed like a failed adaptation of Nerchio's ZvP stylings imo. The last time I saw Nerhcio play against star gate he had double spire though, and took much better engages. The phoenix count definitely wasn't that high.
That was Nerchio vs...HasuObs on Frost?
Sounds right. I was dumbstruck by the build but he made it work some how. Sage seems to be dictating the course of things much more, just feels that way watching it.
On September 25 2013 07:43 Zheryn wrote: Why did Sage move out so late?
I think it was someone intentional, encourage zerg to drone more than they should by hitting a bit later than they ought to. The build is so dated it could work pretty well, as shown.
We all know Hyun's success depends on what pants he is wearing.
On September 25 2013 07:49 Darkhoarse wrote: By the way Goswser looking handsome again. Put a suit on that guy and give him a haircut and he's a ladykiller.
Let him live in a team house in France for a half a year, and he's a greasy kid.
For a second i thought goswser was casting with a new haircut
Wait it is goswser! I wasnt sure and the op said catspajamas or something. I remember when goswser went to homestorycup and went to get a haircut but returned with exactly the same hairstyle
On September 25 2013 08:00 Noocta wrote: Well, that sucks. I can't imagine Polt forgetting or his manager not telling him the dates and everything. I hope he's okay.
he has no internet in texas, it's out at the moment.
So it's 100% that Hyun gets a walkover because Polt is having internet troubles? I guess it does have some poetic justice because Hyun got walk overed twice in the RSL because he was having internet troubles in China... but still
How unfortunate. Man I am a huge fan of Polt and was super psyched for the AM group of death. Bad luck Polt but at least we will still see him Blizzcon, as well as IEM.
Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
If you call racism I bet we could get NASL to fire another intern.
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
If you call racism I bet we could get NASL to fire another intern.
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
Probably because it's a short notice thing, and the rules are based on as it happens. Since it's offline, you can't start making exceptions here and there with no way to check, otherwise someone could ask 30mins before the game "oh, can we play later because my internet is dead", and since he's who knows where, no one can check, and it screws everyone over. Scarlett gave advanced notice, so it's different.
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
The other players were probably ok with playing on October to accompany and make arrangement for Scarlett's breaks. But right now, they cannot wait too long for Polt or it may screw up whatever schedules they have. And what would they do for 1 hour? Drink water?
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
This... what's up with WCS AM? Sure, computer problems suck. But I mean - it's not Polt's fault! And he is a champion after all... :o
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
The other players were probably ok with playing on October to accompany and make arrangement for Scarlett's breaks. But right now, they cannot wait too long for Polt or it may screw up whatever schedules they have. And what would they do for 1 hour? Drink water?
Getting hydrated before a game is probably a good thing!!!! But I see your point. I'm just sad T_T.
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
Probably because it's a short notice thing, and the rules are based on as it happens. Since it's offline, you can't start making exceptions here and there with no way to check, otherwise someone could ask 30mins before the game "oh, can we play later because my internet is dead", and since he's who knows where, no one can check, and it screws everyone over. Scarlett gave advanced notice, so it's different.
Yeah it is different. I'm just upset about it what they are doing about it is unreasonable it's just a crappy situation to have your champion unable to play due to internet issues .
The #WCS American Champion Polt disqualified because his Internet is down, as is a lot of the Austin area right now. Sad for Polt, and WCS.
The Internet issue isn't exclusive to Polt, but the entire city of Austin.
Ahh this is so frustrating. Obviously through no fault of his own, Polt has been forced to give up a potential $20,000 in prizes from WCS AM alone, not to mention the season finals...
Unfortunately, Due to technical difficulties Polt was forced to forfeit his first match. We are hopeful that he will be able to make his second match of the night. Thank you for your patience!
On September 25 2013 08:23 Cracy wrote: Anyhow it's hard for WCS AM people to make the call due to the popularity of the player. I'd prefer Polt to play but I understand their decision.
I think it'd be better if they made the call based on legitimate proof that the player is not at fault for not being able to play. Polt's whole city is having trouble right now, it's clear he has no blame for this.
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
you know those are two totally different circumstances, right?
On September 25 2013 08:17 Darkhoarse wrote: Maybe this is bad whining, but Scarlett's group got pushed to October 1st to account for her break, but we can't delay an hour or so for Polt to get somewhere he can play?
you know those are two totally different circumstances, right?
I know I'm just being butthurt that Polt can't play.
Seems that Polt's internet is back, and will play #WCS starting from the losers match!
Good news everyone!
Still sucks that there was any interruption of the group stage which can skew the results. For example, Sage may beat Hyun when he would not have been able to beat Polt. All walkovers suck.
Seems that Polt's internet is back, and will play #WCS starting from the losers match!
Good news everyone!
You're kidding right? It couldn't come back 15 to 20 minutes earlier?! I feel so bad for Polt.
Minor setback, Slasher jumped the gun by tweeting DQ though.
Yeah but it's going to throw the results of the group for a loop that's for sure. And with no group selection process for AM, it will also skew the ro16 groups in all likelihood.
I was under the impression that DQs always worked like this in e-sports. They treat a no-show as a default but you could get back in to a loser's match or loser's bracket if you showed up later. You're not automatically eliminated from the entire tournment.
On September 25 2013 08:31 Cracy wrote: Oh come on... Be adults for once... Stop whining... Damn. Clearly I work too much... To demand a rational behavior from the Internets... Silly me
Voicing displeasure over anything is childlike. Got it.
I feel like HyuN was thinking ZvT and got thrown into ZvP that first game.
On September 25 2013 08:31 Cracy wrote: Oh come on... Be adults for once... Stop whining... Damn. Clearly I work too much... To demand a rational behavior from the Internets... Silly me
The way you type reminds me of Stevie from Malcolm in the middle.
I'm more and more convinced that it was all Sage's genius plot to win the group by playing only EZ PZ Zerg and not having to face Polt's PvT. Hopefully he will now win and allow Polt to get the second place.
On September 25 2013 08:43 Darkhoarse wrote: Sage turning on prismatic alignment because he likes pretty lights I suppose. Does nothing against hydras and lings.
mind games, trying to scare the zerg units away with intense lasers.
On September 25 2013 08:43 Darkhoarse wrote: Sage turning on prismatic alignment because he likes pretty lights I suppose. Does nothing against hydras and lings.
mind games, trying to scare the zerg units away with intense lasers.
Obviously, looking at the diagram provided, Japanese (?) partners will pick up Korean and Australian Players and bring them to South America while tying US and EU community together to ensure Esports is in Africa and India.
Obviously, looking at the diagram provided, Japanese (?) partners will pick up Korean and Australian Players and bring them to South America while tying US and EU community together to ensure Esports is in Africa and India.
On September 25 2013 08:53 Shellshock wrote: worst cannon rush NA >.>
It was eminently competent compared to that guy who forgot his forge at MLG.
idk I brought that up once and I was told it doesnt count as the worst cannon rush ever because the cannon rush never got started. I'm willing to rescind my statement if that attempt now counts
Kinda disappointed it had to end this way and with a walkover, but I'm just glad HyuN advances. Now for Polt to join his TSL brethren in the Ro16, I will be even happier.
On September 25 2013 08:59 Shellshock wrote: Wait is polt not completely DQed yet? I thought someone posted that earlier but they are acting like he's still about to play
Polt got his internet back so he's not DQ'd, only forfeited the first match.
On September 25 2013 08:59 Shellshock wrote: Wait is polt not completely DQed yet? I thought someone posted that earlier but they are acting like he's still about to play
On September 25 2013 08:58 Darkhoarse wrote: Well Hyun advances. Still standing by the idea that this group plays out SO differently if Polt was able to play first round.
Quite possibly - I think it would've been Polt stomping on Sage, not Hyun.
But hopefully Polt will stomp on Revival instead, and then we'll still get to see Polt stomping on Sage.
On September 25 2013 08:58 Darkhoarse wrote: Well Hyun advances. Still standing by the idea that this group plays out SO differently if Polt was able to play first round.
Quite possibly - I think it would've been Polt stomping on Sage, not Hyun.
But hopefully Polt will stomp on Revival instead, and then we'll still get to see Polt stomping on Sage.
On September 25 2013 08:59 Shellshock wrote: Wait is polt not completely DQed yet? I thought someone posted that earlier but they are acting like he's still about to play
They were always talking about that he still can come back for the losers match. So just some random panic by people not paying attention.
The #WCS American Champion Polt disqualified because his Internet is down, as is a lot of the Austin area right now. Sad for Polt, and WCS.
The Internet issue isn't exclusive to Polt, but the entire city of Austin.
Quick search of "Austin Internet" on Twitter shows a few hits of ppl complaining about their Time Warner Cable internet being down in the Austin area. I don't think it extends beyond TWC, though. I don't understand why CMStorm just puts out the word on Polt's Twitter account asking for nearby Austin residents with working Internet or a SC-capable PC to grab Polt and let him play at their place. And that would be a last resort, compared to just finding a neighbour with working Internet (I guess that would be a bit socially awkward, but come on, make an option work, guys).
On September 25 2013 09:09 Elite_ wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Polt is on major tilt right now.
I don't think he's the type of guy that would be too tilted by this. Some other players might but from the very small view I have of him from the internet ( which is not much ), I think he's gonna do okay.
Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
On September 25 2013 09:20 Larkin wrote: I don't see how it's fair for Hyun to have gotten a walkover but Revival to have not.
You must really dislike offline MLG open bracket craziness then, or any other system where the walkovers are per match and not "you missed your first match YOU ARE OUT" systems.
On September 25 2013 09:26 KaiserKieran wrote: Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
On September 25 2013 09:26 KaiserKieran wrote: Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
On September 25 2013 09:26 KaiserKieran wrote: Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
That's my guess.
Oh really? You come in with no info and presume someone match fixed? Well done Nancy Drew!
On September 25 2013 09:26 KaiserKieran wrote: Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
That's my guess.
Oh really? You come in with no info and presume someone match fixed? Well done Nancy Drew!
You're right I had no info which is why I asked. That's why if you look at my post it said guess.
I apologize for not making it clear enough for you.
On September 25 2013 09:26 KaiserKieran wrote: Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
That's my guess.
Oh really? You come in with no info and presume someone match fixed? Well done Nancy Drew!
You're right I had no info which is why I asked. That's why if you look at my post it said guess.
I apologize for not making it clear enough for you.
But still, you could've taken a few seconds to read through the thread to find out, instead of just airing an accusation out there.
I don't know why the casters said that Polt was in good shape after the nydus attack. Just a quick look on the supply tab was showing that Polt had lost a lot !
On September 25 2013 09:44 geokilla wrote: And who said Roach-Hydra won't work?
Me. This is surprising.
not really if they don't get tanks, you can throw them to death with Roaches, then get Hydras to seal your t3 transition. Just need creep spread, because you can't fight anywhere else. The creep spread is probably the hardest part of this lol.
On September 25 2013 09:44 geokilla wrote: And who said Roach-Hydra won't work?
Me. This is surprising.
not really if they don't get tanks, you can throw them to death with Roaches, then get Hydras to seal your t3 transition. Just need creep spread, because you can't fight anywhere else. The creep spread is probably the hardest part of this lol.
I feel like it just gets shredded by 3-3 bio though.
On September 25 2013 09:46 SkullZ9 wrote: I don't know why the casters said that Polt was in good shape after the nydus attack. Just a quick look on the supply tab was showing that Polt had lost a lot !
because roaches inflate your supply so much, its ridiculous. not that i'm pushing for 1 supply roaches :D
On September 25 2013 09:44 geokilla wrote: And who said Roach-Hydra won't work?
Me. This is surprising.
not really if they don't get tanks, you can throw them to death with Roaches, then get Hydras to seal your t3 transition. Just need creep spread, because you can't fight anywhere else. The creep spread is probably the hardest part of this lol.
I feel like it just gets shredded by 3-3 bio though.
you're thinking of zergling/muta, roach/hydra scaling >> bio. just that its inherently not that great against it.
on the other hand +3 armor against muta bounces and killing zergs before they even get to you is extremely powerful.
On September 25 2013 09:46 SkullZ9 wrote: I don't know why the casters said that Polt was in good shape after the nydus attack. Just a quick look on the supply tab was showing that Polt had lost a lot !
because roaches inflate your supply so much, its ridiculous. not that i'm pushing for 1 supply roaches :D
I'm pretty sure we as a community decided that was pretty balanced
On September 25 2013 09:44 geokilla wrote: And who said Roach-Hydra won't work?
Me. This is surprising.
not really if they don't get tanks, you can throw them to death with Roaches, then get Hydras to seal your t3 transition. Just need creep spread, because you can't fight anywhere else. The creep spread is probably the hardest part of this lol.
I feel like it just gets shredded by 3-3 bio though.
you're thinking of zergling/muta, roach/hydra scaling >> bio. just that its inherently not that great against it.
on the other hand +3 armor against muta bounces and killing zergs before they even get to you is extremely powerful.
Hmm I guess bio mech then is really the counter, but I still don't really like roach hydra in general in ZvT.
On September 25 2013 09:44 geokilla wrote: And who said Roach-Hydra won't work?
Me. This is surprising.
not really if they don't get tanks, you can throw them to death with Roaches, then get Hydras to seal your t3 transition. Just need creep spread, because you can't fight anywhere else. The creep spread is probably the hardest part of this lol.
I feel like it just gets shredded by 3-3 bio though.
It gets shredded by a huge group Marauder heavy bio with lots of Medivacs. Thats why you need the creep to run away and snipe small groups. For defense you always have a choke you can fight at. Main part is force stims avoid repeat, keep the Medivacs dry. 3-3 shouldn't be a problem since you have your t3 units by then or your dead anyway.
On September 25 2013 09:26 KaiserKieran wrote: Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
That's my guess.
Oh really? You come in with no info and presume someone match fixed? Well done Nancy Drew!
You're right I had no info which is why I asked. That's why if you look at my post it said guess.
I apologize for not making it clear enough for you.
But still, you could've taken a few seconds to read through the thread to find out, instead of just airing an accusation out there.
Yeah I'm on my phone so it's hard to read beyond the first page. I hope you understand. I didn't see a mod note or anything in the OP, reading this thread takes longer than a few seconds. I really like both players as well.
On September 25 2013 09:44 geokilla wrote: And who said Roach-Hydra won't work?
Me. This is surprising.
not really if they don't get tanks, you can throw them to death with Roaches, then get Hydras to seal your t3 transition. Just need creep spread, because you can't fight anywhere else. The creep spread is probably the hardest part of this lol.
I feel like it just gets shredded by 3-3 bio though.
It gets shredded by a huge group Marauder heavy bio with lots of Medivacs. Thats why you need the creep to run away and snipe small groups. For defense you always have a choke you can fight at. Main part is force stims avoid repeat, keep the Medivacs dry. 3-3 shouldn't be a problem since you have your t3 units by then or your dead anyway.
Idk maybe it's just because I'm bad and have shit micro but I much prefer playing against roach hydra than Ling/bling/muta.
On September 25 2013 09:26 KaiserKieran wrote: Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
That's my guess.
Oh really? You come in with no info and presume someone match fixed? Well done Nancy Drew!
You're right I had no info which is why I asked. That's why if you look at my post it said guess.
I apologize for not making it clear enough for you.
But still, you could've taken a few seconds to read through the thread to find out, instead of just airing an accusation out there.
Yeah I'm on my phone so it's hard to read beyond the first page. I hope you understand. I didn't see a mod note or anything in the OP, reading this thread takes longer than a few seconds. I really like both players as well.
Hoped I at least cleared things up <3
Apologize for being snippy at you, was just frustrated T_T. Sorry!
On September 25 2013 09:26 KaiserKieran wrote: Why did HyuN get a walkover? Was it because Polt thought it was the least he could do got his ex teammate since he is guaranteed to be in the season finals?
That's my guess.
Oh really? You come in with no info and presume someone match fixed? Well done Nancy Drew!
You're right I had no info which is why I asked. That's why if you look at my post it said guess.
I apologize for not making it clear enough for you.
But still, you could've taken a few seconds to read through the thread to find out, instead of just airing an accusation out there.
Yeah I'm on my phone so it's hard to read beyond the first page. I hope you understand. I didn't see a mod note or anything in the OP, reading this thread takes longer than a few seconds. I really like both players as well.
Hoped I at least cleared things up <3
Apologize for being snippy at you, was just frustrated T_T. Sorry!
Revival should have started to transition way before. He's been floating quite a bit of money that he could have started the tech structures long before now
On September 25 2013 10:05 BathTubNZ wrote: I think this has been a lost closer than they've given it credit for.
Agree. They seem to be giving Polt the advantage no matter what the situation is, especially Gretorp. 30s before Revival won game 2 he was still saying Polt was even or winning.
On September 25 2013 10:05 BathTubNZ wrote: I think this has been a lost closer than they've given it credit for.
Agree. They seem to be giving Polt the advantage no matter what the situation is, especially Gretorp. 30s before Revival won game 2 he was still saying Polt was even or winning.
bias towards Polt I guess, should give revival way more credit imo. He almost beat Polt 2-1.
On September 25 2013 10:05 BathTubNZ wrote: I think this has been a lost closer than they've given it credit for.
without the Tanks the Roaches would have never stopped, the creep would have been behind them and the Medivacs would have been useless because constantly empty. The Tanks on the cliffs gave Polt the breathing room to regenerate energy on the Medivacs and on the Bio numbers and the the Roaches can't trade anymore. Revival made it to the main ramp, so Polt held at his last chance.
I so love Revivals Zerg play its just so Zerg, without his little control mistakes he would probably be revolutionizing Zerg. His strategies are just so clever, but they also take a ton of control.
On September 25 2013 10:29 metzninja wrote: I missed the game, could someone summarise it please?
Sage hit with a Blink Stalker attack but backed off but came right back in while Polt's army went straight to Sage's expo... Sage opted to recall and and both armies cleared out one another. Sage was up 10 probes vs 2 Orbitals only. Then Polt came with a drop and vikings in the front with a small MM force... cause Sage to mis micro and lose all 3 colo easily.
I think Sage could have own if he base traded and sacked his expo, FF the ramp.
On September 25 2013 10:29 metzninja wrote: I missed the game, could someone summarise it please?
Sage hit with a Blink Stalker attack but backed off but came right back in while Polt's army went straight to Sage's expo... Sage opted to recall and and both armies cleared out one another. Sage was up 10 probes vs 2 Orbitals only. Then Polt came with a drop and vikings in the frong with a small MM force... cause Sage to mis micro and lose all 3 colo easily.
On September 25 2013 10:29 metzninja wrote: I missed the game, could someone summarise it please?
Sage hit with a Blink Stalker attack but backed off but came right back in while Polt's army went straight to Sage's expo... Sage opted to recall and and both armies cleared out one another. Sage was up 10 probes vs 2 Orbitals only. Then Polt came with a drop and vikings in the frong with a small MM force... cause Sage to mis micro and lose all 3 colo easily.
Thanks, will have to check it out :D
Definitely check the last minute of the game. Insane tactical play from Polt.
On September 25 2013 10:29 metzninja wrote: I missed the game, could someone summarise it please?
Sage hit with a Blink Stalker attack but backed off but came right back in while Polt's army went straight to Sage's expo... Sage opted to recall and and both armies cleared out one another. Sage was up 10 probes vs 2 Orbitals only. Then Polt came with a drop and vikings in the frong with a small MM force... cause Sage to mis micro and lose all 3 colo easily.
Thanks, will have to check it out :D
Best part of that last fight was Polt microing 4 army groups (front bio/vikings/bio drop/small split-off to the left) to pick apart Sage's superior comp.
On September 25 2013 10:36 Josh_Video wrote: Damn, If Polt is playing this well after getting DQ'd in the first match, i can only imagine what would happen if Polt played Hyun.
Hyun would have been prepared and struck Polt down, Revival wouldn't have been already in the mindset of playing a Zerg or Toss again and would have won against Polt and Polt would have been out.
On September 25 2013 10:46 jimothyjim wrote: I missed the very start, how did he get up 3 bases and seemingly attack at the start? Did he gamble on a very early third or something?
yes a very early third with like 2 sentries and a mothership core
On September 25 2013 10:46 jimothyjim wrote: I missed the very start, how did he get up 3 bases and seemingly attack at the start? Did he gamble on a very early third or something?
Not necessarily a gamble, more like a calculated gambit.
On September 25 2013 10:46 jimothyjim wrote: I missed the very start, how did he get up 3 bases and seemingly attack at the start? Did he gamble on a very early third or something?
Polt scouted Sage's in-base stargate after expansion, so Sage cancelled the stargate to take a third base. He then went for 7-gate pressure off 2gas, keeping up probe production at home. Polt's medivacs were a bit late for the fight and his natural got heavily pressured, into a 10 minute death animation
The raven is a pretty cool idea. I think Gretorp is looking at it wrong. Polt is getting it so he doesn't have to scan observer, put full OC energy into MULES to catch up economicly
On September 25 2013 11:03 Noocta wrote: The raven is a pretty cool idea. I think Gretorp is looking at it wrong. Polt is getting it so he doesn't have to scan observer, put full OC energy into MULES to catch up economicly
I wonder why more Terran players don't do that more often.
On September 25 2013 11:03 Noocta wrote: The raven is a pretty cool idea. I think Gretorp is looking at it wrong. Polt is getting it so he doesn't have to scan observer, put full OC energy into MULES to catch up economicly
I wonder why more Terran players don't do that more often.
A bald eagle upon the Washington Monument with Barack Obama riding upon it swooped to Polt's home and in his darkest hour, made Polt realize that all he needed was America.
On September 25 2013 11:19 Liquid`Snute wrote: If I was Protoss I'd never play midgame without a defensive Dark Shrine T_T surely that must be nice to deal with drops over time...
all you have to do is leave a few ht at a base and drops do nothing
On September 25 2013 11:19 Liquid`Snute wrote: If I was Protoss I'd never play midgame without a defensive Dark Shrine T_T surely that must be nice to deal with drops over time...
all you have to do is leave a few ht at a base and drops do nothing
I like the DT in waiting. Unit drops dies etc... then they do the panic scan while the Medivac keeps dropping beside the DT.
Did Gretorp just say "ASAPly"? As in, turning "as soon as possible" into "as soon as possibly" or something? I've never heard that before, but that's rather... incorrect, no? Why not just leave it as ASAP?
On September 25 2013 11:19 Liquid`Snute wrote: If I was Protoss I'd never play midgame without a defensive Dark Shrine T_T surely that must be nice to deal with drops over time...
all you have to do is leave a few ht at a base and drops do nothing
I like the DT in waiting. Unit drops dies etc... then they do the panic scan while the Medivac keeps dropping beside the DT.
less reliable than just leaving 1-2 ht and warping in a few zealots. dts at good at defending against small drops but the big drops polt does they don't really do anything. maybe if he derps and doesn't scan but that's not really something you should be relying on
On September 25 2013 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Did Gretorp just say "ASAPly"? As in, turning "as soon as possible" into "as soon as possibly" or something? I've never heard that before, but that's rather... incorrect, no? Why not just leave it as ASAP?
On September 25 2013 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Did Gretorp just say "ASAPly"? As in, turning "as soon as possible" into "as soon as possibly" or something? I've never heard that before, but that's rather... incorrect, no? Why not just leave it as ASAP?
I mean with all the weird stuff in the English language I am prepared to accept ASAPly.
For example, we say, "Can't you..." or something like that all the time. We are saying "Can not you..." which makes no sense...
In short, ASAPly may be incorrect, but what the hell. Might as well use it.
The way the group and matches unfolded put a whole new meaning to the picture of Polt on the preview on TL. It's like, relief after walking through Hell.
On September 25 2013 11:27 Noocta wrote: The way the group and matches unfolded put a whole new meaning to the picture of Polt on the preview on TL. It's like, relief after walking through Hell.
On September 25 2013 11:19 Liquid`Snute wrote: If I was Protoss I'd never play midgame without a defensive Dark Shrine T_T surely that must be nice to deal with drops over time...
all you have to do is leave a few ht at a base and drops do nothing
I like the DT in waiting. Unit drops dies etc... then they do the panic scan while the Medivac keeps dropping beside the DT.
less reliable than just leaving 1-2 ht and warping in a few zealots. dts at good at defending against small drops but the big drops polt does they don't really do anything. maybe if he derps and doesn't scan but that's not really something you should be relying on
Problem with the HTs and Zealots is that you get the Hts sniped and just prevent the drop, so damage done. Imo Oracles are still the best way to deal with drops. Just hug an Medivac with one Oracle and they can't drop. Problem is fighting the army of Terran. Unless they worker pull since Oracles are perfect for that as well.
Polt won with great decision making, excellent positioning, amazing multitasking, and a pinch of luck. I wish there were more players like him in SC2 - makes for great games. Certainly beats 'death ball' type players in the entertainment stakes. Chapeau to Sage for making a game of it, too!
Phew, almost had a heart attack when I read the results and saw Polt get walked over the first match, it would've sucked so much if he no-showed for his group and couldn't advance. Happy to see both him and Hyun through!
On September 25 2013 11:19 Liquid`Snute wrote: If I was Protoss I'd never play midgame without a defensive Dark Shrine T_T surely that must be nice to deal with drops over time...
all you have to do is leave a few ht at a base and drops do nothing
I like the DT in waiting. Unit drops dies etc... then they do the panic scan while the Medivac keeps dropping beside the DT.
less reliable than just leaving 1-2 ht and warping in a few zealots. dts at good at defending against small drops but the big drops polt does they don't really do anything. maybe if he derps and doesn't scan but that's not really something you should be relying on
Problem with the HTs and Zealots is that you get the Hts sniped and just prevent the drop, so damage done. Imo Oracles are still the best way to deal with drops. Just hug an Medivac with one Oracle and they can't drop. Problem is fighting the army of Terran. Unless they worker pull since Oracles are perfect for that as well.
Apparently a large part of the city of Austin, Texas was experiencing internet problems and Polt couldn't make it online in time for the matches against Hyun. He managed to get online in time to avoid being DQed in his second series and finished out the group.
On September 25 2013 14:44 Shellshock wrote: Apparently a large part of the city of Austin, Texas was experiencing internet problems and Polt couldn't make it online in time for the matches against Hyun. He managed to get online in time to avoid being DQed in his second series and finished out the group.
- make Ro32 to played on-site - lose a bunch of Koreans - win a bunch of Americans - ??? - profit
On September 25 2013 14:26 painkilla wrote: Can't believe Polt pulled that off. Looks like the only way to beat Polt for P is to eco-cheese/mind-game/all-in a lot.
First beat Polt handily in WCS Season 2 Finals. He defended well against the aggression and notably used more immortals than is normal in the matchup. I think it counters the marauder heavy style that Polt uses but obviously, not everyone can pull off the perfect defense that First does.
Watching VoD at the moment, just saw Polt vs Sage game 1. That was one sick move by Polt, creating a flank from the main base onto the entire army of Sage.
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Again, we need more volunteers. Anyone who watches games regularly and types really, really fast has qualifications to become an LRer.
