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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4401
At this point I feel really bad for scarlet that she didn't make the finals
In the woods, there lurks..
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4402
On August 25 2013 23:40 Zealously wrote:
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On August 25 2013 23:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:
How is Zerg supposed to win in this situation? So confused... It seems he had nice hits with his banelings, but literally terran has infinite marines/medi/mines


Bomber's macro is something else though


It really is. Still impresses me more than any other Terran out there, except maybe Flash (about even).
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4403
On August 25 2013 23:40 BronzeKnee wrote:
Why did Jaedong engage when Bomber when he had such a nice spread above his 4th base?

Bomber could do nothing in that position, just wait till he pushes further.


Why can't Bomber move ? He could just push zerg out with widow mines unburrow the backline put it in front turtle to the base.

JD had no choice.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4404
:D
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4405
On August 25 2013 23:41 sh02hp0869 wrote:
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On August 25 2013 23:39 BackSideAttack wrote:
lol jaedong is so bad at tvz now


He is not bad its just David Kim and his ideas of balance


Exactly, Jaedong is playing perfectly and there's nothing more he can do - zero mistakes and still loses

wait

Bomber is playing well, Jaedong less so - don't blame it on balance
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Jermstuddog
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2231 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4406
On August 25 2013 23:40 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 23:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:
How is Zerg supposed to win in this situation? So confused... It seems he had nice hits with his banelings, but literally terran has infinite marines/medi/mines


Bomber's macro is something else though


TIL 3/3 ups = good macro.
As it turns out, marines don't actually cost any money -Jinro
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4407
On August 25 2013 23:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:
How is Zerg supposed to win in this situation? So confused... It seems he had nice hits with his banelings, but literally terran has infinite marines/medi/mines


No, the medivacs aren't that expendable. Bomber is just that good at not losing them and is also good at making good trades.

Also:
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On August 25 2013 23:34 Incognoto wrote:
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On August 25 2013 23:29 Incognoto wrote:
On August 25 2013 23:26 biteMe wrote:
On August 25 2013 23:24 scypio wrote:
On August 25 2013 23:23 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't see how muta ling bane is ever suppose to win vs macro like that Bomber can literally throw away his army over and over it's so cheap vs the mutas Lings are pretty cheap but you need 4 lings to every marine pretty much


1. Do not make 16 lings that do nothing super early game
2. Do not forget baneling speed crucial for hodling this.
3. Watch Scarlett vs Bomber games where she rolls him with mula-ling-bling.

save your breath every single highlvl zvt looks like this on that map


The 16 lings weren't wasted they were used against the Hellions.

It was a calculated risk as well, if JD hadn't made those he wouldn't have been able to have the possibility to exploit the fact that Bomber might not have finished the wall. Just because they weren't used immediately doesn't put Zerg behind immediately, those units still have their use and honestly 16 lings isn't that heavy an investment even if it's early game.



Game 2: Bomber going quick 3 cc, JD is probably going to all-in from here as an all-in is the only proper answer to a quick 3 cc, you can't out-greed it as 4 hellions (400 mineral investment in units) can completely shut down a Zerg base.

Edit: Come to think of it I could be wrong because Siege Tanks help quite a lot vs all-ins so the attack could fail, but really if JD doesn't punish Bomber very soon he's going to lose.


Also note that having 2-2 advantage against 1-1 terran doesn't matter if Terran doesn't move out, you can't attack into Terran. I really don't see JD winning this at all.


Edit: I have no idea why Bomber decided to attack that far on creep.

maru lover forever
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4408
Can anyone explain to me how bomber macros like that? I know he's always been a macro monster but its just on another level...even if you get 3rd cc that early, that macro is just sick...
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
TheNoob69
Profile Joined July 2013
Singapore102 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4409
TvZ is getting more and more painful to watch nowadays. Maybe cause I've been watching mostly innovation or bomber but like wtf every game is just to fucking endless steamroll thats crushes the zerg no matter what he does
MVP Hwaiting
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4410
On August 25 2013 23:41 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On August 25 2013 23:37 Zenbrez wrote:
So, tvz is still not fun to watch.

Its fun when the Zerg is better ala Supernova vs Soulkey

I thought the Ro8 was fun yesterday. That game 4
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4411
This looks so bad for Bomber. He is flying way to high!!!!
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4412
JD getting crushed so hard is a testament to how well Scarlett played against Bomber
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4413
On August 25 2013 23:40 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 23:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:
How is Zerg supposed to win in this situation? So confused... It seems he had nice hits with his banelings, but literally terran has infinite marines/medi/mines


Bomber's macro is something else though


Don't think it's the macro thing. Jaedong is on the same level. Cost effectiveness is where it's at.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4414
On August 25 2013 23:40 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 23:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:
How is Zerg supposed to win in this situation? So confused... It seems he had nice hits with his banelings, but literally terran has infinite marines/medi/mines


Bomber's macro is something else though

Bomber was also pretty allin, if he didn't break JD there his reinforcement would stop pretty soon since his main would mine out and nat would prob be close to mining out. I felt strange that he didn't take his 5th so he could just send his drones there and sacc the 4th.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4415
Keep on trucking :D The best part is how biased Artosis is being toward JD, it's making bomber's awesomeness that much more entertaining.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4416
On August 25 2013 23:41 GWdeathscythe wrote:
How the hell.. this guy just build tons of marines and throw them in line in your face.

and mines...dont forget about the mines...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13004 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4417
On August 25 2013 23:40 FuRRie wrote:
So once terran gets 3/3 you may as well gg basicly.

Jaedong was behind and took worse engagements after worse engagements, it was negated a bit because of the huge creepspread but he was slowly but surely losing ground.
WriterMaru
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4418
Gotta get Scarlett there to give JD some tips!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Zurichan
Profile Joined March 2012
36 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4419
BOMBER!! Let's gooooooo!
WhurreOdu
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1739 Posts
August 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#4420
Bomber the real zergy Terran.
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