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rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
August 23 2013 18:17 GMT
#4901
On August 24 2013 03:15 75 wrote:
just tuned in again.
taeja won against innovation? what the fuuuuuuuuuck?
what happend in the games? <3

Check the recommended games polls for an indication.
4tre55
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
August 23 2013 18:17 GMT
#4902
As much as i love Taeja now more thatn ever, Chobra is pretty good.
SimoNostalgia
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States226 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4903
Innovation is human after all
Above the lakes, above the vales, The mountains and the woods, the clouds, the seas, Beyond the sun, beyond the ether, Beyond the confines of the starry spheres, My soul, you move with ease
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4904
On August 24 2013 03:16 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:16 bo1b wrote:
Just trying to think if that was better then Roro vs Symbol from the gsl finals.



In all seriousness that game was sick good, and I'm trying to think of games which I think are better.

I think leenock vs Jjakji is probably there, maybe thats it?
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4905
On August 24 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
So should i watch TaeJa vs duckdeok or Innovation vs Naniwa? I guess 1 game of each should work.

we all know innovation > naniwa, so might as well watch taeja vs. finale. :D
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16089 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4906
On August 24 2013 03:17 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:15 75 wrote:
just tuned in again.
taeja won against innovation? what the fuuuuuuuuuck?
what happend in the games? <3


Epicness.

not g1 though.


There was enough Epicness in Game 3 to spare.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 18:18:37
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4907
On August 24 2013 03:13 rasnj wrote:
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On August 24 2013 03:09 PerSe wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:05 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
Holy balls.

I'll jump on the bandwagon of doubting full mech. The Thor is just too bad and the Marauder is just too good. Weak anti-air and Marauders break siege lines. Would more Widow Mines have been better?


Blizz is just stubborn. Instead of re-introducing the goliath which would solve a lot of the anti-air problems that mech has, they are looking at just merging the tech upgrades instead.

There is far from enough evidence to suggest that mech is inferior. Maybe harder to execute, maybe it needs refinement, but not inferior. Introducing a whole new unit would be way overkill, especially as we already have a mega goliath (thor) and blizzard tend to want each unit to be fairly unique. Vikings, thors, ravens, turrets and mines are all pretty good anti-air for different variations of mech and for battling different styles.


The opinion of most progamers atm seems to suggest Mech is inferior. What is propping up mech at the moment is the existence of the hellbat, which pre-nerf was strong enough to lead to a brief renaissance in mech. I agree that T has enough anti-air as it is, which is why I'd suggest they think about tweaking or replacing the thor in the next expansion pack.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4908
By the way, when is coming up the next Pitchfork Preserver ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4909
On August 24 2013 03:16 Conut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:13 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:12 Conut wrote:
why is everyone saying that was mech being bad, i would argue that innovation didn't play that out to well. I feel innovation was carried by his insane multitasking and insane mechanics HOWEVER, he never took air control, he was always looking to defend his tanks with just turrets, if he had established air control that game would have been 100 times harder for Teaja


Hard to take air control when you have to juggle supply between vikings/ground units to stop the enormous amount of pure bio coming at you. Splash can only do so much.


Actually attacking the mech player is way harder, hellbats tank so much and you can't drop on the tanks. However i have been in games like that before were i know what the right move would be, but i feel i need to stay on the units i have or ill lose.


The problem is in a 6 base vs 6 base situation its impossible to defend everything with mech, especially without anti air. The fact that innovation even chased around Taeja's bio with his mech is testament even to his skill.
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 18:18:28
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4910
chobra IS GODLIKE, god I love him
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MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4911
On August 24 2013 03:03 WigglingSquid wrote:
Poll: Recommend Group C INnoVation vs Taeja Game 3?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (446)
 
96%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (9)
 
2%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (5)
 
1%

★★★ - Good game (4)
 
1%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
0%

466 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Group C INnoVation vs Taeja Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what



Needs more votes!
In capitalist America, bank robs YOU!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4912
On August 24 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
So should i watch TaeJa vs duckdeok or Innovation vs Naniwa? I guess 1 game of each should work.

I'm LR'ing Taeja vs duckdeok so you should watch the other
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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4913
On August 24 2013 03:14 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:08 eMGmoG wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:04 Rhaegal wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:02 govie wrote:
ESF > Kespa.

Teaja proved it once more^^



Innovation handicapped himself by going mech. No one does it anymore after hellbat nerf because it's just straight up bad.

yea, mech is good in 10% of the time, and even then the execution has to be perfect, mistakes are much more punishable and in a scrappy lategame, bio is anyway superior. dont know why innovation doesnt play marine tank, i think it would fit his playstyle alot better

I really don't get this mech hate. Innovation was constantly getting caught unsieged and didn't bother holding air control(and 2-3x times got his tank count completely reset from being dropped ontop of). He also didn't add in ravens for PDD(2 supply to tank 20-40 marauder shots, yes plz). The only reason this wasn't an insanely one sided game was because innovation kept killing shittons of workers and his macro was practically flawless.

If you're gonna go in unsieged and get raped by random marine surround, you're better off playing bio.

He's both better mechanically and is superior in his strategic thinking. Playing mech for Bogus is like shooting himself in the ballsleg

Yes, if you keep getting caught unsieged. Getting caught unsieged however isn't bad luck or something, I mean you could also say with innovations mechanics and strategic thinking he shouldn't be getting caught unsieged
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4914
On August 24 2013 03:14 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:12 Conut wrote:
why is everyone saying that was mech being bad, i would argue that innovation didn't play that out to well. I feel innovation was carried by his insane multitasking and insane mechanics HOWEVER, he never took air control, he was always looking to defend his tanks with just turrets, if he had established air control that game would have been 100 times harder for Teaja

yeah, i'm astonished he held on so long without any aa. felt like he was on auto-pilot and/or he seemed to think if he devoted too much time/supply to replenishing his air supply he'd lose the ground battle. taeja didn't actually have that many vikings, so he could've just skipped the thor and trumped taeja's viking count, but he didn't have perfect knowledge of the game etc.


it was just amazing play by innovation, somehow he was everywhere and macroing like no other with no anti air, just a great game. But I just don't you can blame that on mech and not the player.
Sc2 always got your back
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4915
On August 24 2013 03:17 Cokefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
So should i watch TaeJa vs duckdeok or Innovation vs Naniwa? I guess 1 game of each should work.

Well do you want to watch an even game or do you want to watch a stomping?

I wanna see if Naniwa will try to cheese Innovation out or not. TaeJa vs duckdeok should be a stomp though, yea.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4916
On August 24 2013 03:03 PerSe wrote:
dunno why terrans even bother going mech these days, if inno and flash can't do it. Great game by Taeja though.

I would say Taeja is easily the best bio vs mech player in the world. He dismantle mech players unlike really anyone else can.
QO Feasting
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4917
On August 24 2013 03:18 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:17 babylon wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:15 75 wrote:
just tuned in again.
taeja won against innovation? what the fuuuuuuuuuck?
what happend in the games? <3


Epicness.

not g1 though.


There was enough Epicness in Game 3 to spare.


Considering game 3 was longer than Naniwa VS. Duckdeok, you should probably just watch that one.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 23 2013 18:18 GMT
#4918
On August 24 2013 03:18 MCMXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:03 WigglingSquid wrote:
Poll: Recommend Group C INnoVation vs Taeja Game 3?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (446)
 
96%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (9)
 
2%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (5)
 
1%

★★★ - Good game (4)
 
1%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
 
0%

466 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Group C INnoVation vs Taeja Game 3?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what



Needs more votes!

wtf did i just miss T_T
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 23 2013 18:19 GMT
#4919
On August 24 2013 03:18 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
So should i watch TaeJa vs duckdeok or Innovation vs Naniwa? I guess 1 game of each should work.

I'm LR'ing Taeja vs duckdeok so you should watch the other

Are they even playing Inno vs. Naniwa today?
kiss kiss fall in love
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
August 23 2013 18:19 GMT
#4920
On August 24 2013 03:17 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:16 Conut wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:13 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:12 Conut wrote:
why is everyone saying that was mech being bad, i would argue that innovation didn't play that out to well. I feel innovation was carried by his insane multitasking and insane mechanics HOWEVER, he never took air control, he was always looking to defend his tanks with just turrets, if he had established air control that game would have been 100 times harder for Teaja


Hard to take air control when you have to juggle supply between vikings/ground units to stop the enormous amount of pure bio coming at you. Splash can only do so much.


Actually attacking the mech player is way harder, hellbats tank so much and you can't drop on the tanks. However i have been in games like that before were i know what the right move would be, but i feel i need to stay on the units i have or ill lose.


True, but he was also saying that if Innovation just took air control he'd be fine, not as easy as that when you have to juggle that supply between ground/air.

It seems that some vikings or even just a few mines would have easily paid for their supply cost in reducing the effectiveness of Taeja's army and deterring drops.
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