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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4861
On August 24 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:08 eMGmoG wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:04 Rhaegal wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:02 govie wrote:
ESF > Kespa.

Teaja proved it once more^^



Innovation handicapped himself by going mech. No one does it anymore after hellbat nerf because it's just straight up bad.

yea, mech is good in 10% of the time, and even then the execution has to be perfect, mistakes are much more punishable and in a scrappy lategame, bio is anyway superior. dont know why innovation doesnt play marine tank, i think it would fit his playstyle alot better

I really don't get this mech hate. Innovation was constantly getting caught unsieged and didn't bother holding air control(and 2-3x times got his tank count completely reset from being dropped ontop of). He also didn't add in ravens for PDD(2 supply to tank 20-40 marauder shots, yes plz). The only reason this wasn't an insanely one sided game was because innovation kept killing shittons of workers and his macro was practically flawless.

If you're gonna go in unsieged and get raped by random marine surround, you're better off playing bio.

He's both better mechanically and is superior in his strategic thinking. Playing mech for Bogus is like shooting himself in the ballsleg
Diogenes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 18:14:50
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4862
Mech is fine. Taeja just had a big macro lead early on that he couldn't translate into a game lead until he bled Innovation dry. Mech has a bigger army at 200 unit space so the bio player is left trading inefficiently if both players max out. Innovation's end game was to switch to more tanks and thors and decreasing hellbat count and going for a big push to deny Taeja his extra bases and bleed Innovation dry instead. Taeja just constantly kept Innovation off his bases and 200 unit space and bled him dry. Innovation stayed in with some of the sickest hellbat/medavac micro I've ever seen. But Taeja's big macro lead was too much.

I really don't like newkirk anyways. People say this game was sick and it was but it always creates long games that tend to be boring. The only reason it was any good was because of the constant action. Split maps are boring and only delay the inevitable.
"When Godzilla attacks, he advances rather than retreats. We can use this to our advantage."
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4863
Will there be free VODs of this?
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4864
did... did 72k just drop to 58k? how?
IN SOVIET RUSSIA ノ┬─┬ノ ︵ ( \o°o)\ Table Flips you
Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4865
How was the serie Duckdeok vs Naniwa? One sided, cheese or...?
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4866
On August 24 2013 03:12 Conut wrote:
why is everyone saying that was mech being bad, i would argue that innovation didn't play that out to well. I feel innovation was carried by his insane multitasking and insane mechanics HOWEVER, he never took air control, he was always looking to defend his tanks with just turrets, if he had established air control that game would have been 100 times harder for Teaja

yeah, i'm astonished he held on so long without any aa. felt like he was on auto-pilot and/or he seemed to think if he devoted too much time/supply to replenishing his air supply he'd lose the ground battle. taeja didn't actually have that many vikings, so he could've just skipped the thor and trumped taeja's viking count, but he didn't have perfect knowledge of the game etc.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4867
On August 24 2013 03:14 rice_devOurer wrote:
did... did 72k just drop to 58k? how?


no games on i closed it
banelings
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4868
On August 24 2013 03:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:10 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Haven't watched SC2 in a while, but damn this one man translator/interviewer combo is sooooo much better than the two man setup.

Also because he is just a much better translator


He is truly bilingual. He switches between the languages effortlessly. He is also comfortable in front of the camera and can conduct an interview. A guy like that does not come along often, he is pure gold and I'm so glad ESL managed to get him for this.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#4869
On August 24 2013 03:14 rice_devOurer wrote:
did... did 72k just drop to 58k? how?


Best TvT this year versus a waiting screen with music. I wonder why
Neosteel Enthusiast
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 18:15 GMT
#4870
On August 24 2013 03:13 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:13 Heinsenzerg wrote:
it has been said already, but man what a lackluster crowd, whitnessing that live and not being clapping on your feet is insane

The tournament is in germany


Dreamhack should host the finals in Ericsson Globe, if they could fill it, it'd be batshit crazy
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Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 23 2013 18:15 GMT
#4871
On August 24 2013 03:14 rice_devOurer wrote:
did... did 72k just drop to 58k? how?


That always happens after a series. Especially one as long and exhausting as that.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 23 2013 18:15 GMT
#4872
guys guys

It's WCS AM > Kespa and eSF
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
August 23 2013 18:15 GMT
#4873
On August 24 2013 03:14 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:12 Zarahtra wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:08 eMGmoG wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:04 Rhaegal wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:02 govie wrote:
ESF > Kespa.

Teaja proved it once more^^



Innovation handicapped himself by going mech. No one does it anymore after hellbat nerf because it's just straight up bad.

yea, mech is good in 10% of the time, and even then the execution has to be perfect, mistakes are much more punishable and in a scrappy lategame, bio is anyway superior. dont know why innovation doesnt play marine tank, i think it would fit his playstyle alot better

I really don't get this mech hate. Innovation was constantly getting caught unsieged and didn't bother holding air control(and 2-3x times got his tank count completely reset from being dropped ontop of). He also didn't add in ravens for PDD(2 supply to tank 20-40 marauder shots, yes plz). The only reason this wasn't an insanely one sided game was because innovation kept killing shittons of workers and his macro was practically flawless.

If you're gonna go in unsieged and get raped by random marine surround, you're better off playing bio.

He's both better mechanically and is superior in his strategic thinking. Playing mech for Bogus is like shooting himself in the ballsleg


I agree, the fact that innovation could even keep up against the multipronged bio harass with mech is impressive enough
iLevitate
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
August 23 2013 18:15 GMT
#4874
one of the best, and gotta give prop to the casters to hype this game to the next level.
You lose, You learn
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
August 23 2013 18:15 GMT
#4875
On August 24 2013 03:14 rice_devOurer wrote:
did... did 72k just drop to 58k? how?

No game on? -.- stop stirring up stupid shit
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 23 2013 18:15 GMT
#4876
On August 24 2013 03:10 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Poll: That game was...

Top 5 all time (48)
 
49%

Top 10 all time (24)
 
25%

Top 25 all time (15)
 
15%

The best of all time (6)
 
6%

Not in the top 25. (4)
 
4%

97 total votes

Your vote: That game was...

(Vote): The best of all time
(Vote): Top 5 all time
(Vote): Top 10 all time
(Vote): Top 25 all time
(Vote): Not in the top 25.


Not a good poll since hindsight is 20/20 ^^. People said that Innovation vs Flash was the best at first MLG HoTS then the Innovation vs Life games etc...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 23 2013 18:15 GMT
#4877
just tuned in again.
taeja won against innovation? what the fuuuuuuuuuck?
what happend in the games? <3
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 23 2013 18:16 GMT
#4878
On August 24 2013 03:14 leo23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:14 rice_devOurer wrote:
did... did 72k just drop to 58k? how?


no games on i closed it

The next one is starting in a couple of minutes, why closing it ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 23 2013 18:16 GMT
#4879
Just trying to think if that was better then Roro vs Symbol from the gsl finals.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8313 Posts
August 23 2013 18:16 GMT
#4880
On August 24 2013 03:13 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:11 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:10 Pandain wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:09 bo1b wrote:
On August 24 2013 03:05 seoul_kiM wrote:
I think that game was better than MMA vs. DRG....jesus

Lots have games have been. A ton have been this year as well.

In story and emotion, mma drg is still the best game of all time


2nd or 3rd, maybe. Squirtle Mvp g7 is still beyond insane when it comes to story/emotion


Someone read Fionn's article.


I've been waiting for that article forever! Where the hell can I find it?!? Link please?
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
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