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[WCS] Day 1 RO16 Groups Season 2 Grand Finals 2013 - Page 13

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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 23 2013 11:04 GMT
#241
On August 23 2013 19:34 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 19:16 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:55 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:47 TheSir wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:36 TheSir wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:18 Dodgin wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:17 TheSir wrote:
Fuck me, this starts on a friday afternoon? What a crap


you would rather they start on saturday and have the finals on monday?


No, why dont start in the evening? And why you need 3 days to play a 16 players tournament anyway?

It's the season final it shouldn't be a rushed event.


Rushed? How about starting the finals at a decent time? Oh wait, this super important final is dumped in a corner on a gameshow were nobody give two fucks about esports (except the people who come for it) so we need to start the finals at 15.30 CEST....

My god, i thought it would be bad but didn't expect the schedule would be this bad. Well up to the next season finals i guess, 3e time is a charm.

Bad scheduling? Well, they kinda needed to go through 16 matches in a day. And finish in a reasonable time.

Actually it is 20 match in a day ( 5 match per group)

They do not play final matches today i heard.

But.. it doesn't make sense!

it is true though.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/schedule
wow this is really weird.


It actually makes sense - it kind of creates a Ro12 for Saturday, when probably more people attend and watch. But still, I can't see them making this on time. Do we know if there will be paralell streams or unstreamed games?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 23 2013 11:09 GMT
#242
On August 23 2013 20:04 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 19:34 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:16 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:55 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:47 TheSir wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:36 TheSir wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:18 Dodgin wrote:
[quote]

you would rather they start on saturday and have the finals on monday?


No, why dont start in the evening? And why you need 3 days to play a 16 players tournament anyway?

It's the season final it shouldn't be a rushed event.


Rushed? How about starting the finals at a decent time? Oh wait, this super important final is dumped in a corner on a gameshow were nobody give two fucks about esports (except the people who come for it) so we need to start the finals at 15.30 CEST....

My god, i thought it would be bad but didn't expect the schedule would be this bad. Well up to the next season finals i guess, 3e time is a charm.

Bad scheduling? Well, they kinda needed to go through 16 matches in a day. And finish in a reasonable time.

Actually it is 20 match in a day ( 5 match per group)

They do not play final matches today i heard.

But.. it doesn't make sense!

it is true though.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/schedule
wow this is really weird.


It actually makes sense - it kind of creates a Ro12 for Saturday, when probably more people attend and watch. But still, I can't see them making this on time. Do we know if there will be paralell streams or unstreamed games?

They probably made approximate schedule for the sake of it and should games last too long (Grubby vs HasuObs anyone?) they will just go with groups in a row.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 23 2013 11:12 GMT
#243
Opterown are you going to stay up and watch this? If so I admire your dedication to ESPORST
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 23 2013 11:14 GMT
#244
On August 23 2013 20:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 20:04 opisska wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:34 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:16 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:55 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:47 TheSir wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:36 TheSir wrote:
[quote]

No, why dont start in the evening? And why you need 3 days to play a 16 players tournament anyway?

It's the season final it shouldn't be a rushed event.


Rushed? How about starting the finals at a decent time? Oh wait, this super important final is dumped in a corner on a gameshow were nobody give two fucks about esports (except the people who come for it) so we need to start the finals at 15.30 CEST....

My god, i thought it would be bad but didn't expect the schedule would be this bad. Well up to the next season finals i guess, 3e time is a charm.

Bad scheduling? Well, they kinda needed to go through 16 matches in a day. And finish in a reasonable time.

Actually it is 20 match in a day ( 5 match per group)

They do not play final matches today i heard.

But.. it doesn't make sense!

it is true though.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/schedule
wow this is really weird.


It actually makes sense - it kind of creates a Ro12 for Saturday, when probably more people attend and watch. But still, I can't see them making this on time. Do we know if there will be paralell streams or unstreamed games?

They probably made approximate schedule for the sake of it and should games last too long (Grubby vs HasuObs anyone?) they will just go with groups in a row.


Are you sure? Because while on the "schedule" the groups are scheduled by 2 hours, if you go to the main page and look at "Results" (below the hype video), all the groups say 2 pm ... And if they do it sequentially, it may get really out of hand. 16 bo3s may easily last until 3 am tomorrow morning!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 11:20:54
August 23 2013 11:20 GMT
#245
"You're not helping anything by looking at something shitty and saying 'this is shitty'."

Now I'm off to go recover my hype in the next forty minutes.

Pulling for Maru & Scarlett by the way
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 23 2013 11:26 GMT
#246
gogo rain and bomber:

[image loading]

[image loading]
TL+ Member
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
August 23 2013 11:28 GMT
#247
I'm rooting for Scarlett. Get revenge on Jaedong for that disgusting cheese. :D
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 23 2013 11:28 GMT
#248
On August 23 2013 20:14 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 20:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:04 opisska wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:34 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:16 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:55 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:47 TheSir wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
[quote]
It's the season final it shouldn't be a rushed event.


Rushed? How about starting the finals at a decent time? Oh wait, this super important final is dumped in a corner on a gameshow were nobody give two fucks about esports (except the people who come for it) so we need to start the finals at 15.30 CEST....

My god, i thought it would be bad but didn't expect the schedule would be this bad. Well up to the next season finals i guess, 3e time is a charm.

Bad scheduling? Well, they kinda needed to go through 16 matches in a day. And finish in a reasonable time.

Actually it is 20 match in a day ( 5 match per group)

They do not play final matches today i heard.

But.. it doesn't make sense!

it is true though.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/schedule
wow this is really weird.


It actually makes sense - it kind of creates a Ro12 for Saturday, when probably more people attend and watch. But still, I can't see them making this on time. Do we know if there will be paralell streams or unstreamed games?

They probably made approximate schedule for the sake of it and should games last too long (Grubby vs HasuObs anyone?) they will just go with groups in a row.


Are you sure? Because while on the "schedule" the groups are scheduled by 2 hours, if you go to the main page and look at "Results" (below the hype video), all the groups say 2 pm ... And if they do it sequentially, it may get really out of hand. 16 bo3s may easily last until 3 am tomorrow morning!

2 pm is the start of the group stage, so i guess all groups are going to be played sequentially. And no, with amount of Innovation, TaeJa and tosses we are not going longer than 10 pm.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Rokevo
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1033 Posts
August 23 2013 11:33 GMT
#249
How can they possibly think each group is only gonna take 2 hours? That can happen if it's only 2-0's and every game is an all-in, but 2 hours is very fucking optimistic.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 23 2013 11:34 GMT
#250
On August 23 2013 20:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 20:14 opisska wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:04 opisska wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:34 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:16 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:55 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:47 TheSir wrote:
[quote]

Rushed? How about starting the finals at a decent time? Oh wait, this super important final is dumped in a corner on a gameshow were nobody give two fucks about esports (except the people who come for it) so we need to start the finals at 15.30 CEST....

My god, i thought it would be bad but didn't expect the schedule would be this bad. Well up to the next season finals i guess, 3e time is a charm.

Bad scheduling? Well, they kinda needed to go through 16 matches in a day. And finish in a reasonable time.

Actually it is 20 match in a day ( 5 match per group)

They do not play final matches today i heard.

But.. it doesn't make sense!

it is true though.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/schedule
wow this is really weird.


It actually makes sense - it kind of creates a Ro12 for Saturday, when probably more people attend and watch. But still, I can't see them making this on time. Do we know if there will be paralell streams or unstreamed games?

They probably made approximate schedule for the sake of it and should games last too long (Grubby vs HasuObs anyone?) they will just go with groups in a row.


Are you sure? Because while on the "schedule" the groups are scheduled by 2 hours, if you go to the main page and look at "Results" (below the hype video), all the groups say 2 pm ... And if they do it sequentially, it may get really out of hand. 16 bo3s may easily last until 3 am tomorrow morning!

2 pm is the start of the group stage, so i guess all groups are going to be played sequentially. And no, with amount of Innovation, TaeJa and tosses we are not going longer than 10 pm.


But PvP is now the matchup with the longest games, right?! )
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#251
On August 23 2013 20:34 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 20:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:14 opisska wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:04 opisska wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:34 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:16 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:55 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
[quote]
Bad scheduling? Well, they kinda needed to go through 16 matches in a day. And finish in a reasonable time.

Actually it is 20 match in a day ( 5 match per group)

They do not play final matches today i heard.

But.. it doesn't make sense!

it is true though.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/schedule
wow this is really weird.


It actually makes sense - it kind of creates a Ro12 for Saturday, when probably more people attend and watch. But still, I can't see them making this on time. Do we know if there will be paralell streams or unstreamed games?

They probably made approximate schedule for the sake of it and should games last too long (Grubby vs HasuObs anyone?) they will just go with groups in a row.


Are you sure? Because while on the "schedule" the groups are scheduled by 2 hours, if you go to the main page and look at "Results" (below the hype video), all the groups say 2 pm ... And if they do it sequentially, it may get really out of hand. 16 bo3s may easily last until 3 am tomorrow morning!

2 pm is the start of the group stage, so i guess all groups are going to be played sequentially. And no, with amount of Innovation, TaeJa and tosses we are not going longer than 10 pm.


But PvP is now the matchup with the longest games, right?! )

Only when played by players who went full foreigner. That HasuObs vs Grubby should have ended like 40 minute before it did. Granted Grubby would not win it then :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
August 23 2013 11:39 GMT
#252
On August 23 2013 20:34 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 20:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:14 opisska wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 20:04 opisska wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:34 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:16 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 19:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:55 Lazzi wrote:
On August 23 2013 18:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
[quote]
Bad scheduling? Well, they kinda needed to go through 16 matches in a day. And finish in a reasonable time.

Actually it is 20 match in a day ( 5 match per group)

They do not play final matches today i heard.

But.. it doesn't make sense!

it is true though.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/schedule
wow this is really weird.


It actually makes sense - it kind of creates a Ro12 for Saturday, when probably more people attend and watch. But still, I can't see them making this on time. Do we know if there will be paralell streams or unstreamed games?

They probably made approximate schedule for the sake of it and should games last too long (Grubby vs HasuObs anyone?) they will just go with groups in a row.


Are you sure? Because while on the "schedule" the groups are scheduled by 2 hours, if you go to the main page and look at "Results" (below the hype video), all the groups say 2 pm ... And if they do it sequentially, it may get really out of hand. 16 bo3s may easily last until 3 am tomorrow morning!

2 pm is the start of the group stage, so i guess all groups are going to be played sequentially. And no, with amount of Innovation, TaeJa and tosses we are not going longer than 10 pm.


But PvP is now the matchup with the longest games, right?! )

As long as HasuObs is involved :D
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 11:41:38
August 23 2013 11:40 GMT
#253
[image loading]

Well that is one sick looking throphy. I wonder what approach the winner will choose to kiss it.
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 23 2013 11:41 GMT
#254
Bomber! Bomber! I've got the pack of Red Bull ready to go!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 11:41:57
August 23 2013 11:41 GMT
#255
On August 23 2013 20:33 Rokevo wrote:
How can they possibly think each group is only gonna take 2 hours? That can happen if it's only 2-0's and every game is an all-in, but 2 hours is very fucking optimistic.


2 matches of each group will be played at the same time.

Group A will have Rain vs. Jaedong on the main-stream and MC vs. Welmu on the second stream.

Winners Match and losers match of the groups are played at the same time aswell.

The deciding matches are tomorrow 10am CEST
Butterz
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
688 Posts
August 23 2013 11:42 GMT
#256
Cheering for Polt and Innovation in the WCS finals
ottosec
Profile Joined April 2013
505 Posts
August 23 2013 11:44 GMT
#257
Damn, don't know what game to watch!
SKT1-PartinG&Rain, MC
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 11:47:40
August 23 2013 11:45 GMT
#258
And we're live! Venue is packed
http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_europe
http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_europe2
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
August 23 2013 11:46 GMT
#259
God no, they got Thundersticks.

But its pretty damn full there
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
August 23 2013 11:46 GMT
#260
yeah, there are the booths which were missing during the EPS desterday
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