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On August 15 2013 21:18 Destructicon wrote:
So jjakji is now the first Code S champion to return to Code S after falling into Code B?
Didn't MC do that as well? By invite from MLG?
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On August 15 2013 21:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:18 Destructicon wrote:
So jjakji is now the first Code S champion to return to Code S after falling into Code B? That's right
there's still hope left for MMA!
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On August 15 2013 21:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:11 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:07 Thrillz wrote:On August 15 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:02 KristofferAG wrote:On August 15 2013 20:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 20:54 KristofferAG wrote:
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Implying that jjakji didn't play really well and just lucked his way to championship? With the sole exception of the finals, that is very much what I am implying. I mean I give NesTea a lot of flak but at least his wins were always convincing. Jjakji barely scraped through to reach the finals and delivered a lot of mediocre/uninspired games. Except it's bullshit. His game v Killer in the Ro32? Awesome, even if he ended up losing, relentless. His game v Supernova in the same group is still one of the most amazing TvTs ever. Sure he lucked out in the Ro16 and only had to beat Gumi, and both his games v Mvp and Gumi were pretty scrappy and bad. But there's no way you can say his games v Oz weren't interesting at least, and even if he stomped Puzzle it was not because of Puzzle being bad, but jjakji being good. I disagree. Puzzle played like shit (like in every other Ro8 appearance he had) and the games vs Oz were some of the worst PvT I've ever watched. On paper Oz should've won that 3-0, but he made lots of mistakes and ended up losing. And I guarantee that if CoCa had took part in Code S Jjakji would have never made it to Playoffs.  Jjakji-Leenock still delivered the best finals in terms of games. He did get good draws and lucky consequences. Then again, so did Sniper. Seed actually beat very good opponents and various races, etc. At least Jjakji is more relevant than Sniper now. Sniper got good draws? You think MarineKing, sHy, Seed himself, then Bogus, Polt and PartinG are good draws? Leenock, the infinitely underrated Ryung and then Hyun? This is what you call a good draw? On top of all that he was completely destroying team leagues both online and offline (GSTL) during 2012. So no, I really don't see your point here, sorry. :/ Patch 1.5.3 was the best draw you could get for a Zerg player. I guess Life's win doesn't count either then. If you don't understand the difference between abusing the shit out of BL/Infestor and killing everyone with Zergling run-bys then you should check a doctor. Yes, how dare I suggest that the player who beat some the actual best players in the world at his time all the while getting 3/4/5 kills in GSTL per match is actually good. No amount of whine would change that. If it was Symbol or ByuL or LosirA that actually won, you may have a point.
I don't have anything about your arguments.
But you should check a doctor.
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On August 15 2013 21:19 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:18 Destructicon wrote:
So jjakji is now the first Code S champion to return to Code S after falling into Code B? Didn't MC do that as well? By invite from MLG?
Ahh, the days were Koreans went to foreign tournaments to get easy Code S :D.
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On August 15 2013 21:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:18 Destructicon wrote:
So jjakji is now the first Code S champion to return to Code S after falling into Code B? That's right
Didn't NesTea fall out of Code A that one season only to requalify immediately?
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On August 15 2013 21:19 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 15 2013 21:18 Destructicon wrote:
So jjakji is now the first Code S champion to return to Code S after falling into Code B? That's right there's still hope left for MMA!
That's the first time someone talked down WCS EU this hard.
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On August 15 2013 21:18 DJHelium wrote:
Dan Stemkoski @Artosis 1m
My work here is done. L8ers.
So Artosis can now control his powers and uses it to take revenge on us.
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On August 15 2013 21:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:11 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:07 Thrillz wrote:On August 15 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:02 KristofferAG wrote:On August 15 2013 20:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 20:54 KristofferAG wrote:
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Implying that jjakji didn't play really well and just lucked his way to championship? With the sole exception of the finals, that is very much what I am implying. I mean I give NesTea a lot of flak but at least his wins were always convincing. Jjakji barely scraped through to reach the finals and delivered a lot of mediocre/uninspired games. Except it's bullshit. His game v Killer in the Ro32? Awesome, even if he ended up losing, relentless. His game v Supernova in the same group is still one of the most amazing TvTs ever. Sure he lucked out in the Ro16 and only had to beat Gumi, and both his games v Mvp and Gumi were pretty scrappy and bad. But there's no way you can say his games v Oz weren't interesting at least, and even if he stomped Puzzle it was not because of Puzzle being bad, but jjakji being good. I disagree. Puzzle played like shit (like in every other Ro8 appearance he had) and the games vs Oz were some of the worst PvT I've ever watched. On paper Oz should've won that 3-0, but he made lots of mistakes and ended up losing. And I guarantee that if CoCa had took part in Code S Jjakji would have never made it to Playoffs. Jjakji-Leenock still delivered the best finals in terms of games. He did get good draws and lucky consequences. Then again, so did Sniper. Seed actually beat very good opponents and various races, etc. At least Jjakji is more relevant than Sniper now. Sniper got good draws? You think MarineKing, sHy, Seed himself, then Bogus, Polt and PartinG are good draws? Leenock, the infinitely underrated Ryung and then Hyun? This is what you call a good draw? On top of all that he was completely destroying team leagues both online and offline (GSTL) during 2012. So no, I really don't see your point here, sorry. :/ Patch 1.5.3 was the best draw you could get for a Zerg player. I guess Life's win doesn't count either then. If you don't understand the difference between abusing the shit out of BL/Infestor and killing everyone with Zergling run-bys then you should check a doctor. Yes, how dare I suggest that the player who beat some the actual best players in the world at his time all the while getting 3/4/5 kills in GSTL per match is actually good. No amount of whine would change that. If it was Symbol or ByuL or LosirA that actually won, you may have a point.
Symbol did nearly win and was doing well himself. In fact, Symbol is a better player than Life at the moment.
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On August 15 2013 21:19 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:17 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 15 2013 21:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
why are these up and down matches played at the end of the season rather than the beginning of the next season? They actually are at the beginning of the next season. Actually pretty sure they're classified as being part of season 2. Its all very silly...
http://www.gomtv.net/2013wcs3/
"WCS Korea Season 3 Challenger League Up&Down"
It's been at the start of the new season since 2011 Nov
edit: Unless you mean GOM/WCS tickets, then nevermind.
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On August 15 2013 21:21 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:18 DJHelium wrote:
Dan Stemkoski @Artosis 1m
My work here is done. L8ers. So Artosis can now control his powers and uses it to take revenge on us.
We're doomed 
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On August 15 2013 21:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 15 2013 21:18 Destructicon wrote:
So jjakji is now the first Code S champion to return to Code S after falling into Code B? That's right Didn't NesTea fall out of Code A that one season only to requalify immediately?
Yeah he did, qualified 2012 season 5, code s 2013 season 1.
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On August 15 2013 21:21 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:11 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:07 Thrillz wrote:On August 15 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:02 KristofferAG wrote:On August 15 2013 20:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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With the sole exception of the finals, that is very much what I am implying.
I mean I give NesTea a lot of flak but at least his wins were always convincing. Jjakji barely scraped through to reach the finals and delivered a lot of mediocre/uninspired games. Except it's bullshit. His game v Killer in the Ro32? Awesome, even if he ended up losing, relentless. His game v Supernova in the same group is still one of the most amazing TvTs ever. Sure he lucked out in the Ro16 and only had to beat Gumi, and both his games v Mvp and Gumi were pretty scrappy and bad. But there's no way you can say his games v Oz weren't interesting at least, and even if he stomped Puzzle it was not because of Puzzle being bad, but jjakji being good. I disagree. Puzzle played like shit (like in every other Ro8 appearance he had) and the games vs Oz were some of the worst PvT I've ever watched. On paper Oz should've won that 3-0, but he made lots of mistakes and ended up losing. And I guarantee that if CoCa had took part in Code S Jjakji would have never made it to Playoffs. Jjakji-Leenock still delivered the best finals in terms of games. He did get good draws and lucky consequences. Then again, so did Sniper. Seed actually beat very good opponents and various races, etc. At least Jjakji is more relevant than Sniper now. Sniper got good draws? You think MarineKing, sHy, Seed himself, then Bogus, Polt and PartinG are good draws? Leenock, the infinitely underrated Ryung and then Hyun? This is what you call a good draw? On top of all that he was completely destroying team leagues both online and offline (GSTL) during 2012. So no, I really don't see your point here, sorry. :/ Patch 1.5.3 was the best draw you could get for a Zerg player. I guess Life's win doesn't count either then. If you don't understand the difference between abusing the shit out of BL/Infestor and killing everyone with Zergling run-bys then you should check a doctor. Yes, how dare I suggest that the player who beat some the actual best players in the world at his time all the while getting 3/4/5 kills in GSTL per match is actually good. No amount of whine would change that. If it was Symbol or ByuL or LosirA that actually won, you may have a point. Symbol did nearly win and was doing well himself. In fact, Symbol is a better player than Life at the moment.
Still can't win a tournement, though.
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On August 15 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:11 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:07 Thrillz wrote:On August 15 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:02 KristofferAG wrote:On August 15 2013 20:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 20:54 KristofferAG wrote:On August 15 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:[quote] And Sniper winning GSL is still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL. Because Sniper actually played very well that season. Implying that jjakji didn't play really well and just lucked his way to championship? With the sole exception of the finals, that is very much what I am implying. I mean I give NesTea a lot of flak but at least his wins were always convincing. Jjakji barely scraped through to reach the finals and delivered a lot of mediocre/uninspired games. Except it's bullshit. His game v Killer in the Ro32? Awesome, even if he ended up losing, relentless. His game v Supernova in the same group is still one of the most amazing TvTs ever. Sure he lucked out in the Ro16 and only had to beat Gumi, and both his games v Mvp and Gumi were pretty scrappy and bad. But there's no way you can say his games v Oz weren't interesting at least, and even if he stomped Puzzle it was not because of Puzzle being bad, but jjakji being good. I disagree. Puzzle played like shit (like in every other Ro8 appearance he had) and the games vs Oz were some of the worst PvT I've ever watched. On paper Oz should've won that 3-0, but he made lots of mistakes and ended up losing. And I guarantee that if CoCa had took part in Code S Jjakji would have never made it to Playoffs. Jjakji-Leenock still delivered the best finals in terms of games. He did get good draws and lucky consequences. Then again, so did Sniper. Seed actually beat very good opponents and various races, etc. At least Jjakji is more relevant than Sniper now. Sniper got good draws? You think MarineKing, sHy, Seed himself, then Bogus, Polt and PartinG are good draws? Leenock, the infinitely underrated Ryung and then Hyun? This is what you call a good draw? On top of all that he was completely destroying team leagues both online and offline (GSTL) during 2012. So no, I really don't see your point here, sorry. :/ Patch 1.5.3 was the best draw you could get for a Zerg player. I guess Life's win doesn't count either then. If you don't understand the difference between abusing the shit out of BL/Infestor and killing everyone with Zergling run-bys then you should check a doctor.
I'm not saying Sniper is Life, but this is still crap. In his series against Ryung, Sniper only built BLs in the very last game (edit: and he was WAY ahead by that point). Ryung's whining and revisionist TL posters have tainted his run.
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On August 15 2013 21:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 15 2013 21:18 Destructicon wrote:
So jjakji is now the first Code S champion to return to Code S after falling into Code B? That's right Didn't NesTea fall out of Code A that one season only to requalify immediately?
oh right. I forgot I blotted his disappointing code S return out of my mind. Now the rage envelopes me..
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On August 15 2013 21:21 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:17 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:11 DidYuhim wrote:On August 15 2013 21:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:07 Thrillz wrote:On August 15 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 15 2013 21:02 KristofferAG wrote:On August 15 2013 20:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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With the sole exception of the finals, that is very much what I am implying.
I mean I give NesTea a lot of flak but at least his wins were always convincing. Jjakji barely scraped through to reach the finals and delivered a lot of mediocre/uninspired games. Except it's bullshit. His game v Killer in the Ro32? Awesome, even if he ended up losing, relentless. His game v Supernova in the same group is still one of the most amazing TvTs ever. Sure he lucked out in the Ro16 and only had to beat Gumi, and both his games v Mvp and Gumi were pretty scrappy and bad. But there's no way you can say his games v Oz weren't interesting at least, and even if he stomped Puzzle it was not because of Puzzle being bad, but jjakji being good. I disagree. Puzzle played like shit (like in every other Ro8 appearance he had) and the games vs Oz were some of the worst PvT I've ever watched. On paper Oz should've won that 3-0, but he made lots of mistakes and ended up losing. And I guarantee that if CoCa had took part in Code S Jjakji would have never made it to Playoffs. Jjakji-Leenock still delivered the best finals in terms of games. He did get good draws and lucky consequences. Then again, so did Sniper. Seed actually beat very good opponents and various races, etc. At least Jjakji is more relevant than Sniper now. Sniper got good draws? You think MarineKing, sHy, Seed himself, then Bogus, Polt and PartinG are good draws? Leenock, the infinitely underrated Ryung and then Hyun? This is what you call a good draw? On top of all that he was completely destroying team leagues both online and offline (GSTL) during 2012. So no, I really don't see your point here, sorry. :/ Patch 1.5.3 was the best draw you could get for a Zerg player. I guess Life's win doesn't count either then. If you don't understand the difference between abusing the shit out of BL/Infestor and killing everyone with Zergling run-bys then you should check a doctor. Yes, how dare I suggest that the player who beat some the actual best players in the world at his time all the while getting 3/4/5 kills in GSTL per match is actually good. No amount of whine would change that. If it was Symbol or ByuL or LosirA that actually won, you may have a point. Symbol did nearly win and was doing well himself. In fact, Symbol is a better player than Life at the moment.
I'm just saying, of all the Zergs that were on the rise at the time, pwning nerds in GSTL and what not, Sniper was the only one who made it into the Ro8 and then won.
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Sniper didn't abuse BL/Infestor. In fact, I'm pretty sure Life did it more times than Sniper when Mvp realised that the key to beating Life was massing BFH, and people still consider (and considered) Life one of the most entertaining Zergs to watch.
Sniper played a lot of cool games without the Brood Lord combo, but for some reason people forget that =/
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On August 15 2013 21:25 Zealously wrote:
Sniper didn't abuse BL/Infestor. In fact, I'm pretty sure Life did it more times than Sniper when Mvp realised that the key to beating Life was massing BFH, and people still consider (and considered) Life one of the most entertaining Zergs to watch.
Sniper played a lot of cool games without the Brood Lord combo, but for some reason people forget that =/
Herd mentality will do that to people. And not watching GSTL nearly enough.
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On August 15 2013 21:22 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 21:21 FeyFey wrote:On August 15 2013 21:18 DJHelium wrote:
Dan Stemkoski @Artosis 1m
My work here is done. L8ers. So Artosis can now control his powers and uses it to take revenge on us. We're doomed
Nestea to win all future seasons
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On August 15 2013 21:25 Zealously wrote:
Sniper didn't abuse BL/Infestor. In fact, I'm pretty sure Life did it more times than Sniper when Mvp realised that the key to beating Life was massing BFH, and people still consider (and considered) Life one of the most entertaining Zergs to watch.
Sniper played a lot of cool games without the Brood Lord combo, but for some reason people forget that =/
Yeah I agree, people keep forgetting that Sniper comes from the school of MVP, a team known to produce zerg players that really love mutalisk play, Sniper used them in both ZvT and ZvP at a time when playing ling infestor was just straight out better.
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Awesome, the two I wanted to get back into Code S made it.
Looking forward to next season.
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