EPT[Up/Down] Group B WCS Korea 2013 Season 3 - Page 46
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DrPandaPhD
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Panozen
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On August 07 2013 18:17 bo1b wrote: I actually don't agree with that so much, though his micro was unquestionably better then every other zergs. Well, you also have DRG rocking like 350+ APM (scgears says 400+lul) It's not as if only mechanics get you anywhere really. The differences between top Koreans in mechanics aren't THAT big really, if one would be truly inferior in terms of decision making he'd not dominate at all, even with superior mechanics | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 07 2013 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote: Sadly Bisu is the best example of that. His raw mechanics are only rivaled by people like Jaedong and Flash, his multitasking arguably by nobody but his decisionmaking is lagging waaaaay behind in sc2 That's really only in bw, you compare the eapms of those three with some of the players in sc2 and it's suddenly less common then only 3. Still fucking uncommon though. | ||
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 07 2013 18:36 opterown wrote: His sc2 mechanics are pretty unremarkable from what I've seen so far, nothing to write home about I think thats got everything to do with both the race he plays and his understanding of the game. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
On August 07 2013 18:49 RiZu wrote: FCK YEA herO! CJ might actually have a player that won't disappoint in Code S now =( Effort T_T. CJ instantly becomes a much better team with Coach park join within just weeks. They are breaking through in every fronts of Korean tournaments. Probably due to his skill of making players relax, both songduri and Hero said team atmosphere is much better right now after coach came. | ||
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Nomzter
Sweden2802 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On August 07 2013 18:51 edgeOut wrote: CJ instantly becomes a much better team with Coach park join within just weeks. They are breaking through in every fronts of Korean tournaments. Probably due to his skill of making players relax, both songduri and Hero said team atmosphere is much better right now after coach came. I'll give it to Coach Park if he could somehow get Leta back in the lineups. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 07 2013 17:10 lichter wrote: Life fans will disagree but it is because everyone has caught up with his mechanics. During his reign he had the best mechanics and micro out of any zerg player. His zergling baneling micro was unparalleled. He was strategically naive doing whatever he wanted but he made it work because of his superior control. Now that everyone has caught up, he can't get by on his mechanics alone. He's playing the same way while everyone has improved. Uh, I haven't seen too many Life games lately, but I definitely disagree with this. Life was brutally good because his playstyle was deadly in WoL and in early HotS. But these days you cannot play this aggressive gameplay anymore and then fall back on infestors to hold your ground. If you lose an attack or just waste units too much, the counter kills the zerg in HotS. That's why the best Zergs in the world are all playing very turtly styles (with Build order attacks instead of searching for openings). And Life simply didn't adapted to that for a long time. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
On August 07 2013 19:00 Arceus wrote: I'll give it to Coach Park if he could somehow get Leta back in the lineups. Leta will be back. He will achieve greatness. (I so hope this... I want to be able to watch him, SSL or WCS.. same shit. If he finds Brood War to be his game, that is fine ^_^) edit: Life... you have fallen since spores got buffed... Happy for CJ. hero[join] is good. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Look at his ZvZ. ZvZ has only slightly changed, the least of any matchup. He struggled to beat Scarlett 2-3 and looked worse i n that series with poor decision making and odd tactical moves. It was the same in his games against soO and hyvaa. Can't blame that on the game. People caught up to Life and he doesn't know how to adjust. Strategic naivete. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 07 2013 19:13 lichter wrote: Regarding Life's ZvP and ZvT, we can argue that his style just does not suit the current metagame. But his inability to adjust IS a sign of strategic naivete. He thinks he can still make it work but with Mamacore and mines early game Zerg aggression needs to be more well planned and timed. In WoL he was fortunate that his style worked but anyone who thinks it was a stroke of genius rather than good fortune in the metagane and superior mechanics that made him successful is in denial. Look at his ZvZ. ZvZ has only slightly changed, the least of any matchup. He struggled to beat Scarlett 2-3 and looked worse i n that series with poor decision making and odd tactical moves. It was the same in his games against soO and hyvaa. Can't blame that on the game. People caught up to Life and he doesn't know how to adjust. Strategic naivete. I just think that life showed that focussing on micro as a zerg wasn't a waste of time, while mechanical monsters ala losira and drg simply overwhelmed there opponents, never really took damage from drops, and had better macro then everyone else. Drg was more successful then other people because his micro was above average and combined with his mechanics he was simply the best zerg on the planet. Life though, had mediocre injects and creep spread and multi tasking relative to some other zergs, and instead blew everyone out of the water with his ling aggression and micro/muta micro back when people were playing scared of zerg, and it allowed him to get away with things other zergs just couldn't do. Seriously think that jaedong is going to show the way again with better micro and macro and multi tasking then any other zerg, and win this terran and protoss heavy wcs. /fanboy off. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
He was brilliant in that way. But strategically he is weak. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 07 2013 19:13 lichter wrote: Regarding Life's ZvP and ZvT, we can argue that his style just does not suit the current metagame. But his inability to adjust IS a sign of strategic naivete. He thinks he can still make it work but with Mamacore and mines early game Zerg aggression needs to be more well planned and timed. In WoL he was fortunate that his style worked but anyone who thinks it was a stroke of genius rather than good fortune in the metagane and superior mechanics that made him successful is in denial. Look at his ZvZ. ZvZ has only slightly changed, the least of any matchup. He struggled to beat Scarlett 2-3 and looked worse i n that series with poor decision making and odd tactical moves. It was the same in his games against soO and hyvaa. Can't blame that on the game. People caught up to Life and he doesn't know how to adjust. Strategic naivete. That's not true. In WoL ZvZ you could do all sorts of stuff and then... fall back on infestors and sit behind a choke point, as infestors were a valuable ressource. Something that you can't do in HotS, where it is much more of a numbers game in ZvZ. You have enough roaches or mutas or whatever, or you don't. There is nothing to hold ground anymore apart from pure numbers which plays in the cards of a defensively macroing player or a plainly allinning one, over one that tries to force engagements and mechanically outmicro/outmultitask his opponent. And yeah, it's strategic naivete. But I don't think his problem is that other people caught up in mechanics. | ||
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