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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-06 06:55:04
August 06 2013 06:36 GMT
#301
On August 06 2013 15:32 ottosec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 12:00 StarStruck wrote:
On August 06 2013 10:09 Apoteosis wrote:
On August 06 2013 07:39 StarStruck wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
Surprised so many people against Rain. There are people who don't want to watch a consistent Protoss? Sure, he's floundered a bit lately, but don't you WANT him to perform at the top consistently? I feel there's no sense of stability in Protoss players... Rain is the best shot. And Protoss never win championships so I'd like to see that too!


That's part of the problem though. I've seen a few people call Rain consistent and the truth of the matter is he's been anything but in PL. I remember a guy making a thread about asking for stats on Ace Matches and who's played in the most due or die situations. Rain is one of the most sent out guys but his record is anything but good in the clutch matches. They sent him out so many times when it was all on the line, but his record was terrible and the last couple of rounds in PL he did pretty miserable, but if there is one thing consistent about Rain it's his lack of production when it comes to those due or die situations. It wasn't even 50%. -_- I don't see how that qualifies as consistent and he just managed to get out of his last group. It's not pretty, but he'll take it.


He is 37-22 in PL

http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=Proleague 2012-2013&bo=all&offline=offline&game=all


That doesn't change anything I said. In due or die situations he is actually 7-9. That's 39% win rate when its on the line last season. One of the many reasons I was kind of surprised that he was awarded the MVP for Protoss especially after rounds 5 and 6. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs. The real reason he won is because he had the most wins and that goes back to what I said about being sent out the most (he played more than any other Protoss player) and having good runs during the Winners League format. If I were voting I'd lean more towards sHy considering he led the league with JangBi in most clutch performances via winrate (fyi JangBi and sHy had stupid winrates in the clutch-- I couldn't believe it myself when I looked it up because it sort of flew right over my head but my God those numbers don't lie). It's a shame Woongjin didn't use him more. That's what happens when you have a lot of strong players on your team and you can use them in various situations. You don't get sent out often enough or else he would have had more opportunities to prove he deserved the MVP award over Rain.


He had a really bad last month in Proleague, before that he had the best winrate from the players with 30+ wins. That's one bad month from 8(a really bad month, I agree).

And keep in mind that he was always sent last for SKT, compared to Flash and Innovation who where often sent in the beginning so they could sometimes get those all kills easier.


That's sort of the point though I made with regard to the Winners League because a guy like sHy would hardly be used because of the depth on the Woongjin Stars roster. When your team is performing well it's a lot easier for you to float under the radar and then you also have the B-Team Woongjin Stars team playing in the last couple of weeks before playoffs to rest the other players lmao.

Teams like SKT1, KT and STX relied more on their Star players throughout the entire season in the clutch.
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
August 06 2013 06:58 GMT
#302
Can't see how Maru can win this in the current state of TvP, against Rain of all people.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
August 06 2013 13:39 GMT
#303
On August 06 2013 12:00 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 10:09 Apoteosis wrote:
On August 06 2013 07:39 StarStruck wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
Surprised so many people against Rain. There are people who don't want to watch a consistent Protoss? Sure, he's floundered a bit lately, but don't you WANT him to perform at the top consistently? I feel there's no sense of stability in Protoss players... Rain is the best shot. And Protoss never win championships so I'd like to see that too!


That's part of the problem though. I've seen a few people call Rain consistent and the truth of the matter is he's been anything but in PL. I remember a guy making a thread about asking for stats on Ace Matches and who's played in the most due or die situations. Rain is one of the most sent out guys but his record is anything but good in the clutch matches. They sent him out so many times when it was all on the line, but his record was terrible and the last couple of rounds in PL he did pretty miserable, but if there is one thing consistent about Rain it's his lack of production when it comes to those due or die situations. It wasn't even 50%. -_- I don't see how that qualifies as consistent and he just managed to get out of his last group. It's not pretty, but he'll take it.


He is 37-22 in PL

http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=Proleague 2012-2013&bo=all&offline=offline&game=all


That doesn't change anything I said. In due or die situations he is actually 7-9. That's 39% win rate when its on the line last season. One of the many reasons I was kind of surprised that he was awarded the MVP for Protoss especially after rounds 5 and 6. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs. The real reason he won is because he had the most wins and that goes back to what I said about being sent out the most (he played more than any other Protoss player) and having good runs during the Winners League format. If I were voting I'd lean more towards sHy considering he led the league with JangBi in most clutch performances via winrate (fyi JangBi and sHy had stupid winrates in the clutch-- I couldn't believe it myself when I looked it up because it sort of flew right over my head but my God those numbers don't lie). It's a shame Woongjin didn't use him more. That's what happens when you have a lot of strong players on your team and you can use them in various situations. You don't get sent out often enough or else he would have had more opportunities to prove he deserved the MVP award over Rain.


You mean the ace matches? Yes, you are right. Rain doesn't have a good win ratio.

But remember that PL has a bo1 format, and OSL Finals have bo7. Actually Rain has a whopping 79% in bo5+ matches (11-3):

http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=&bo=5&offline=offline&game=all

I think Rain is very consistent in bo5+ format.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
Nuithari
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium737 Posts
August 06 2013 14:24 GMT
#304
But Maru has a 100% Win ration in Bo5+ Matches!!!
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Only 3 matches played, but 100%!!


Should be a fun match, hope I can catch it
"Marineking's greatest strength is his enjoyment of the game" -Grubby
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-06 15:21:44
August 06 2013 14:55 GMT
#305
On August 06 2013 22:39 Apoteosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 12:00 StarStruck wrote:
On August 06 2013 10:09 Apoteosis wrote:
On August 06 2013 07:39 StarStruck wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
Surprised so many people against Rain. There are people who don't want to watch a consistent Protoss? Sure, he's floundered a bit lately, but don't you WANT him to perform at the top consistently? I feel there's no sense of stability in Protoss players... Rain is the best shot. And Protoss never win championships so I'd like to see that too!


That's part of the problem though. I've seen a few people call Rain consistent and the truth of the matter is he's been anything but in PL. I remember a guy making a thread about asking for stats on Ace Matches and who's played in the most due or die situations. Rain is one of the most sent out guys but his record is anything but good in the clutch matches. They sent him out so many times when it was all on the line, but his record was terrible and the last couple of rounds in PL he did pretty miserable, but if there is one thing consistent about Rain it's his lack of production when it comes to those due or die situations. It wasn't even 50%. -_- I don't see how that qualifies as consistent and he just managed to get out of his last group. It's not pretty, but he'll take it.


He is 37-22 in PL

http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=Proleague 2012-2013&bo=all&offline=offline&game=all


That doesn't change anything I said. In due or die situations he is actually 7-9. That's 39% win rate when its on the line last season. One of the many reasons I was kind of surprised that he was awarded the MVP for Protoss especially after rounds 5 and 6. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs. The real reason he won is because he had the most wins and that goes back to what I said about being sent out the most (he played more than any other Protoss player) and having good runs during the Winners League format. If I were voting I'd lean more towards sHy considering he led the league with JangBi in most clutch performances via winrate (fyi JangBi and sHy had stupid winrates in the clutch-- I couldn't believe it myself when I looked it up because it sort of flew right over my head but my God those numbers don't lie). It's a shame Woongjin didn't use him more. That's what happens when you have a lot of strong players on your team and you can use them in various situations. You don't get sent out often enough or else he would have had more opportunities to prove he deserved the MVP award over Rain.


You mean the ace matches? Yes, you are right. Rain doesn't have a good win ratio.

But remember that PL has a bo1 format, and OSL Finals have bo7. Actually Rain has a whopping 79% in bo5+ matches (11-3):

http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=&bo=5&offline=offline&game=all

I think Rain is very consistent in bo5+ format.


.. Was I born yesterday? We're not just talking about Ace matches; we're talking about in the clutch as well. In other words, closing out the match for your team. Winners League format isn't pure because players can stomp.

What we're looking at is parts of the whole and there are inconsistencies in his game. That's what I'm pointing out. We're talking about very recent stuff too might I add. He's not as consistent as many people are led to believe. We all know his record against Terran; we all know he's the last OSL Champion; we all know his stats in best of's; etc. What I'm doing is bringing into light Rain's abysmal inconsistency under the PL pressure and the fact he barely made it through the group stage. That's as recent as you can possibly get. That's what makes this Finals interesting or else everyone would think Rain would run over Maru even if Rain has a 10-1 record against Terran. Do I think Rain will win? Most likely. I said this before but here we go again, the fact this guy will probably go back-to-back in OSL victories when he hasn't really been playing to his best ability is kind of scary. Maybe that says more about him than anything else. It's as if he's coasting to another OSL trophy.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 06 2013 19:25 GMT
#306
I believe in Maru, even though I voted against him for my head, my heart says that he will carry the day.
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
August 06 2013 19:43 GMT
#307
cant wait, but i think rain with 41 or 40. itwill be very easy for him
AyaaLa
Profile Joined February 2012
Spain629 Posts
August 06 2013 19:48 GMT
#308
maru come on!!!!!!!
i balance whine all the time.
drzlobjul
Profile Joined June 2009
Bulgaria8 Posts
August 06 2013 22:33 GMT
#309
"... while choosing to use the Terran race at a time when this was seen as a relatively weak choice in comparison to the other two StarCraft races." This is the path of the Emperor.Do you see what i see ? You really count on some protoss who is not Bisu ?
Legends never die : NADA,Boxer,Flash,Fantasy. Terran`s successors: MVP,Innovation,Polt,MKP
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 07 2013 06:47 GMT
#310
This thread needs more hype

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BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1168 Posts
August 07 2013 19:39 GMT
#311
[image loading]

Will cover Maru's bases!!
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 07 2013 20:08 GMT
#312
On August 08 2013 04:39 BlueStar wrote:
[image loading]

Will cover Maru's bases!!


Pictures?
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 07 2013 20:22 GMT
#313
On August 08 2013 04:39 BlueStar wrote:
[image loading]

Will cover Maru's bases!!

I like how there's (P)Rain and a (P)Sun
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Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
August 07 2013 20:31 GMT
#314
HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE. I'd love to see Maru take this...i don't think he'll go for cheeses too much though in a BO7 you can be sure as hell there's gonna be some shenanigans thrown in....
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
August 07 2013 23:07 GMT
#315
I think that Rain is watching Mvp vs hasu, Mvp vs Grubby, Ryung vs Oz, Lucifron vs Welmu, Lucifron vs duckdeok, Naniwa vs MMA, laughing like a madman, gaining more and more confidence with every second that passes by.

I'm ready for a 4:0.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 23:51:12
August 07 2013 23:19 GMT
#316
On August 08 2013 08:07 scypio wrote:
I think that Rain is watching Mvp vs hasu, Mvp vs Grubby, Ryung vs Oz, Lucifron vs Welmu, Lucifron vs duckdeok, Naniwa vs MMA, laughing like a madman, gaining more and more confidence with every second that passes by.

I'm ready for a 4:0.


Don't forget Buyn vs hero, Bang vs hero. Would be hilarious if Maru can't even take a map with the inevitable 11/11.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
URLateral
Profile Joined October 2012
275 Posts
August 08 2013 02:11 GMT
#317
Lest go Maru!!
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 08 2013 08:29 GMT
#318
On August 08 2013 11:11 URLateral wrote:
Lest go Maru!!

Yes, go away, please, Maru.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 08 2013 08:38 GMT
#319
On August 08 2013 05:22 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 04:39 BlueStar wrote:
[image loading]

Will cover Maru's bases!!

I like how there's (P)Rain and a (P)Sun

nice try but thats obviously a moon O_O
Thruth
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland112 Posts
August 08 2013 10:28 GMT
#320
On August 08 2013 17:38 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 05:22 The_Templar wrote:
On August 08 2013 04:39 BlueStar wrote:
[image loading]

Will cover Maru's bases!!

I like how there's (P)Rain and a (P)Sun

nice try but thats obviously a moon O_O


You mean a (Z)Moon
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