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On August 06 2013 07:39 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
Surprised so many people against Rain. There are people who don't want to watch a consistent Protoss? Sure, he's floundered a bit lately, but don't you WANT him to perform at the top consistently? I feel there's no sense of stability in Protoss players... Rain is the best shot. And Protoss never win championships so I'd like to see that too! That's part of the problem though. I've seen a few people call Rain consistent and the truth of the matter is he's been anything but in PL. I remember a guy making a thread about asking for stats on Ace Matches and who's played in the most due or die situations. Rain is one of the most sent out guys but his record is anything but good in the clutch matches. They sent him out so many times when it was all on the line, but his record was terrible and the last couple of rounds in PL he did pretty miserable, but if there is one thing consistent about Rain it's his lack of production when it comes to those due or die situations. It wasn't even 50%. -_- I don't see how that qualifies as consistent and he just managed to get out of his last group. It's not pretty, but he'll take it.
He is 37-22 in PL
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=Proleague 2012-2013&bo=all&offline=offline&game=all
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On August 06 2013 00:04 StarStruck wrote:
It's going to be really awkward to see Rain win back-to-back OSLs when he's just been getting by. That's a scary thought.
Then again, it'll be really awkward to see Prime win the OSL when 2 months ago people were saying that the team was sure to disband.
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
that wouldn't be awkward, it would be just showing people that they have no idea what they are talking about
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On August 06 2013 06:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:22 dirtyBeat wrote:On August 06 2013 06:08 monkybone wrote:On August 06 2013 05:20 dirtyBeat wrote:
People always cry about protoss all-ining, and then comes Rain who almost never all-in and people call him boring. Hell, this forum is full of 14 years cry babies or what. who cries about protoss all-inning ? lol You wanna tell me that people dont usually say that when protoss wins its almost always some wonky allinish style or toss OP ??? people cry about every race all inning
Not even remotely at the level of Protoss though.
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On August 06 2013 10:18 opterown wrote:
that wouldn't be awkward, it would be just showing people that they have no idea what they are talking about
Sure it would. "I told you guys Prime was going to disband! Just look at their results...oh"
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Canada16217 Posts
On August 06 2013 06:57 felisconcolori wrote:
If Maru wins this, does that mean he can ascend to become the king, and take MKP's name?
Go go Maru. You are the hope of Prime. No pressure.
He would become Optimus Prime.
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On August 06 2013 11:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:57 felisconcolori wrote:
If Maru wins this, does that mean he can ascend to become the king, and take MKP's name?
Go go Maru. You are the hope of Prime. No pressure. He would become Optimus Prime.
I actually forgot about the whole Optimus Prime thing. I wish they won more titles so we could see it exchange hands more often.
Imagine if LG-IM did that? It would be super confusing.
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United States97277 Posts
On August 06 2013 11:46 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 11:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 06 2013 06:57 felisconcolori wrote:
If Maru wins this, does that mean he can ascend to become the king, and take MKP's name?
Go go Maru. You are the hope of Prime. No pressure. He would become Optimus Prime. I actually forgot about the whole Optimus Prime thing. I wish they won more titles so we could see it exchange hands more often. Imagine if LG-IM did that? It would be super confusing.
Would Seed still be their version of Optimus since Mvp has only won WCS EU since then or would they count it as an equivalent? I guess it could have been blanked like when Polt left Prime in Seed's case
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"don't choke like a bitch like I did" LOOOL
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On August 06 2013 11:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 11:46 juicyjames wrote:On August 06 2013 11:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 06 2013 06:57 felisconcolori wrote:
If Maru wins this, does that mean he can ascend to become the king, and take MKP's name?
Go go Maru. You are the hope of Prime. No pressure. He would become Optimus Prime. I actually forgot about the whole Optimus Prime thing. I wish they won more titles so we could see it exchange hands more often. Imagine if LG-IM did that? It would be super confusing. Would Seed still be their version of Optimus since Mvp has only won WCS EU since then or would they count it as an equivalent? I guess it could have been blanked like when Polt left Prime in Seed's case
If a player leaves the team it should be vacated, in my opinion.
As far as Mvp goes, it depends. Does Maru become Optimus if he wins WCS KR or does he need to win WCS S2? If you say WCS KR is enough, do you count WCS EU as the equivalent?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
After much internal debate, I have decided to cheer for Rain.
After Mvp lost last night, and Woongjin during the weekend, I don't think I can take any more SC2 related heartache in August. So I'm going to go with the 'safe' bet and cheer for Rain.
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United States97277 Posts
On August 06 2013 11:53 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 11:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 06 2013 11:46 juicyjames wrote:On August 06 2013 11:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 06 2013 06:57 felisconcolori wrote:
If Maru wins this, does that mean he can ascend to become the king, and take MKP's name?
Go go Maru. You are the hope of Prime. No pressure. He would become Optimus Prime. I actually forgot about the whole Optimus Prime thing. I wish they won more titles so we could see it exchange hands more often. Imagine if LG-IM did that? It would be super confusing. Would Seed still be their version of Optimus since Mvp has only won WCS EU since then or would they count it as an equivalent? I guess it could have been blanked like when Polt left Prime in Seed's case If a player leaves the team it should be vacated, in my opinion. As far as Mvp goes, it depends. Does Maru become Optimus if he wins WCS KR or does he need to win WCS S2? If you say WCS KR is enough, do you count WCS EU as the equivalent?
Personally I would count WCS KR and WCS EU should have it's own separate title. Idk one of the other primes
On August 06 2013 11:54 lichter wrote:
After much internal debate, I have decided to cheer for Rain.
After Mvp lost last night, and Woongjin during the weekend, I don't think I can take any more SC2 related heartache in August. So I'm going to go with the 'safe' bet and cheer for Rain.
good you're usually wrong about these so that makes me confident in maru
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 06 2013 11:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 11:53 juicyjames wrote:On August 06 2013 11:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 06 2013 11:46 juicyjames wrote:On August 06 2013 11:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 06 2013 06:57 felisconcolori wrote:
If Maru wins this, does that mean he can ascend to become the king, and take MKP's name?
Go go Maru. You are the hope of Prime. No pressure. He would become Optimus Prime. I actually forgot about the whole Optimus Prime thing. I wish they won more titles so we could see it exchange hands more often. Imagine if LG-IM did that? It would be super confusing. Would Seed still be their version of Optimus since Mvp has only won WCS EU since then or would they count it as an equivalent? I guess it could have been blanked like when Polt left Prime in Seed's case If a player leaves the team it should be vacated, in my opinion. As far as Mvp goes, it depends. Does Maru become Optimus if he wins WCS KR or does he need to win WCS S2? If you say WCS KR is enough, do you count WCS EU as the equivalent? Personally I would count WCS KR and WCS EU should have it's own separate title. Idk one of the other primes Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 11:54 lichter wrote:
After much internal debate, I have decided to cheer for Rain.
After Mvp lost last night, and Woongjin during the weekend, I don't think I can take any more SC2 related heartache in August. So I'm going to go with the 'safe' bet and cheer for Rain. good you're usually wrong about these so that makes me confident in maru
I am terrible at predictions, yes =/
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On August 06 2013 10:09 Apoteosis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 07:39 StarStruck wrote:On August 06 2013 05:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
Surprised so many people against Rain. There are people who don't want to watch a consistent Protoss? Sure, he's floundered a bit lately, but don't you WANT him to perform at the top consistently? I feel there's no sense of stability in Protoss players... Rain is the best shot. And Protoss never win championships so I'd like to see that too! That's part of the problem though. I've seen a few people call Rain consistent and the truth of the matter is he's been anything but in PL. I remember a guy making a thread about asking for stats on Ace Matches and who's played in the most due or die situations. Rain is one of the most sent out guys but his record is anything but good in the clutch matches. They sent him out so many times when it was all on the line, but his record was terrible and the last couple of rounds in PL he did pretty miserable, but if there is one thing consistent about Rain it's his lack of production when it comes to those due or die situations. It wasn't even 50%. -_- I don't see how that qualifies as consistent and he just managed to get out of his last group. It's not pretty, but he'll take it. He is 37-22 in PL http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=Proleague 2012-2013&bo=all&offline=offline&game=all
That doesn't change anything I said. In due or die situations he is actually 7-9. That's 39% win rate when its on the line last season. One of the many reasons I was kind of surprised that he was awarded the MVP for Protoss especially after rounds 5 and 6. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs. The real reason he won is because he had the most wins and that goes back to what I said about being sent out the most (he played more than any other Protoss player) and having good runs during the Winners League format. If I were voting I'd lean more towards sHy considering he led the league with JangBi in most clutch performances via winrate (fyi JangBi and sHy had stupid winrates in the clutch-- I couldn't believe it myself when I looked it up because it sort of flew right over my head but my God those numbers don't lie). It's a shame Woongjin didn't use him more. That's what happens when you have a lot of strong players on your team and you can use them in various situations. You don't get sent out often enough or else he would have had more opportunities to prove he deserved the MVP award over Rain.
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On August 06 2013 11:57 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 11:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 06 2013 11:53 juicyjames wrote:On August 06 2013 11:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 06 2013 11:46 juicyjames wrote:On August 06 2013 11:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 06 2013 06:57 felisconcolori wrote:
If Maru wins this, does that mean he can ascend to become the king, and take MKP's name?
Go go Maru. You are the hope of Prime. No pressure. He would become Optimus Prime. I actually forgot about the whole Optimus Prime thing. I wish they won more titles so we could see it exchange hands more often. Imagine if LG-IM did that? It would be super confusing. Would Seed still be their version of Optimus since Mvp has only won WCS EU since then or would they count it as an equivalent? I guess it could have been blanked like when Polt left Prime in Seed's case If a player leaves the team it should be vacated, in my opinion. As far as Mvp goes, it depends. Does Maru become Optimus if he wins WCS KR or does he need to win WCS S2? If you say WCS KR is enough, do you count WCS EU as the equivalent? Personally I would count WCS KR and WCS EU should have it's own separate title. Idk one of the other primes On August 06 2013 11:54 lichter wrote:
After much internal debate, I have decided to cheer for Rain.
After Mvp lost last night, and Woongjin during the weekend, I don't think I can take any more SC2 related heartache in August. So I'm going to go with the 'safe' bet and cheer for Rain. good you're usually wrong about these so that makes me confident in maru I am terrible at predictions, yes =/
Don't worry, I'm bad at predicting the future too
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On August 06 2013 12:00 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 10:09 Apoteosis wrote:On August 06 2013 07:39 StarStruck wrote:On August 06 2013 05:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
Surprised so many people against Rain. There are people who don't want to watch a consistent Protoss? Sure, he's floundered a bit lately, but don't you WANT him to perform at the top consistently? I feel there's no sense of stability in Protoss players... Rain is the best shot. And Protoss never win championships so I'd like to see that too! That's part of the problem though. I've seen a few people call Rain consistent and the truth of the matter is he's been anything but in PL. I remember a guy making a thread about asking for stats on Ace Matches and who's played in the most due or die situations. Rain is one of the most sent out guys but his record is anything but good in the clutch matches. They sent him out so many times when it was all on the line, but his record was terrible and the last couple of rounds in PL he did pretty miserable, but if there is one thing consistent about Rain it's his lack of production when it comes to those due or die situations. It wasn't even 50%. -_- I don't see how that qualifies as consistent and he just managed to get out of his last group. It's not pretty, but he'll take it. He is 37-22 in PL http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=Proleague 2012-2013&bo=all&offline=offline&game=all That doesn't change anything I said. In due or die situations he is actually 7-9. That's 39% win rate when its on the line last season. One of the many reasons I was kind of surprised that he was awarded the MVP for Protoss especially after rounds 5 and 6. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs. The real reason he won is because he had the most wins and that goes back to what I said about being sent out the most (he played more than any other Protoss player) and having good runs during the Winners League format. If I were voting I'd lean more towards sHy considering he led the league with JangBi in most clutch performances via winrate (fyi JangBi and sHy had stupid winrates in the clutch-- I couldn't believe it myself when I looked it up because it sort of flew right over my head but my God those numbers don't lie). It's a shame Woongjin didn't use him more. That's what happens when you have a lot of strong players on your team and you can use them in various situations. You don't get sent out often enough or else he would have had more opportunities to prove he deserved the MVP award over Rain.
7 / 16 = 44%??
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On August 06 2013 13:47 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 12:00 StarStruck wrote:On August 06 2013 10:09 Apoteosis wrote:On August 06 2013 07:39 StarStruck wrote:On August 06 2013 05:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
Surprised so many people against Rain. There are people who don't want to watch a consistent Protoss? Sure, he's floundered a bit lately, but don't you WANT him to perform at the top consistently? I feel there's no sense of stability in Protoss players... Rain is the best shot. And Protoss never win championships so I'd like to see that too! That's part of the problem though. I've seen a few people call Rain consistent and the truth of the matter is he's been anything but in PL. I remember a guy making a thread about asking for stats on Ace Matches and who's played in the most due or die situations. Rain is one of the most sent out guys but his record is anything but good in the clutch matches. They sent him out so many times when it was all on the line, but his record was terrible and the last couple of rounds in PL he did pretty miserable, but if there is one thing consistent about Rain it's his lack of production when it comes to those due or die situations. It wasn't even 50%. -_- I don't see how that qualifies as consistent and he just managed to get out of his last group. It's not pretty, but he'll take it. He is 37-22 in PL http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=Proleague 2012-2013&bo=all&offline=offline&game=all That doesn't change anything I said. In due or die situations he is actually 7-9. That's 39% win rate when its on the line last season. One of the many reasons I was kind of surprised that he was awarded the MVP for Protoss especially after rounds 5 and 6. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs. The real reason he won is because he had the most wins and that goes back to what I said about being sent out the most (he played more than any other Protoss player) and having good runs during the Winners League format. If I were voting I'd lean more towards sHy considering he led the league with JangBi in most clutch performances via winrate (fyi JangBi and sHy had stupid winrates in the clutch-- I couldn't believe it myself when I looked it up because it sort of flew right over my head but my God those numbers don't lie). It's a shame Woongjin didn't use him more. That's what happens when you have a lot of strong players on your team and you can use them in various situations. You don't get sent out often enough or else he would have had more opportunities to prove he deserved the MVP award over Rain. 7 / 16 = 44%??
My bad I thought it was 18 for a second lol. Anyway it's still below 50% and that by no means is a good number for a player of Rain's caliber. I found those results shocking myself. Round 5 and 6 really didn't go his way.
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United States97277 Posts
I kind of wish they were still doing the 3rd place game for this OSL :/
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On August 06 2013 12:00 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 10:09 Apoteosis wrote:On August 06 2013 07:39 StarStruck wrote:On August 06 2013 05:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
Surprised so many people against Rain. There are people who don't want to watch a consistent Protoss? Sure, he's floundered a bit lately, but don't you WANT him to perform at the top consistently? I feel there's no sense of stability in Protoss players... Rain is the best shot. And Protoss never win championships so I'd like to see that too! That's part of the problem though. I've seen a few people call Rain consistent and the truth of the matter is he's been anything but in PL. I remember a guy making a thread about asking for stats on Ace Matches and who's played in the most due or die situations. Rain is one of the most sent out guys but his record is anything but good in the clutch matches. They sent him out so many times when it was all on the line, but his record was terrible and the last couple of rounds in PL he did pretty miserable, but if there is one thing consistent about Rain it's his lack of production when it comes to those due or die situations. It wasn't even 50%. -_- I don't see how that qualifies as consistent and he just managed to get out of his last group. It's not pretty, but he'll take it. He is 37-22 in PL http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=2012-05-20&before=2013-08-03&players=Rain 7&eventtext=Proleague 2012-2013&bo=all&offline=offline&game=all That doesn't change anything I said. In due or die situations he is actually 7-9. That's 39% win rate when its on the line last season. One of the many reasons I was kind of surprised that he was awarded the MVP for Protoss especially after rounds 5 and 6. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs. The real reason he won is because he had the most wins and that goes back to what I said about being sent out the most (he played more than any other Protoss player) and having good runs during the Winners League format. If I were voting I'd lean more towards sHy considering he led the league with JangBi in most clutch performances via winrate (fyi JangBi and sHy had stupid winrates in the clutch-- I couldn't believe it myself when I looked it up because it sort of flew right over my head but my God those numbers don't lie). It's a shame Woongjin didn't use him more. That's what happens when you have a lot of strong players on your team and you can use them in various situations. You don't get sent out often enough or else he would have had more opportunities to prove he deserved the MVP award over Rain.
He had a really bad last month in Proleague, before that he had the best winrate from the players with 30+ wins. That's one bad month from 8(a really bad month, I agree).
And keep in mind that he was always sent last for SKT, compared to Flash and Innovation who where often sent in the beginning so they could sometimes get those all kills easier.
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