On July 28 2013 00:50 Bunn wrote: are there any photos from the event?
Ive made photos... but... i cant upload them anywhere except my own skydrive... but I uploaded yesterday to facebook yesterday with a really big pain in the arse...
Before playing against JD... Why cast? Just TL! Koreans sticks with koreans..
On July 28 2013 00:50 Bunn wrote: are there any photos from the event?
Ive made photos... but... i cant upload them anywhere except my own skydrive... but I uploaded yesterday to facebook yesterday with a really big pain in the arse...
Before playing against JD... Why cast? Just TL! Koreans sticks with koreans..
The slightly sad thing about this is that we'll either have a PvP finals or a PvRevival finals -- not the best framework for amazing games, but here's hoping
On July 28 2013 06:57 Quateras wrote: Eh am i blind or is there nö schedule at all? Was hoping to find a Time for the finals so i can wake up for it. Help .o
On July 28 2013 06:57 Quateras wrote: Eh am i blind or is there nö schedule at all? Was hoping to find a Time for the finals so i can wake up for it. Help .o
idk. They didn't give PartinG credit for WCS Grand finals in china. didn't give credit to Idra for IEM Guangzhou. I would say no because the region seems to be Korea only, not Asia.
edit: I guess you actually can't say for Parting cause he hasn't won in the other regions, right? But IdrA didn't get credit and it would have put him in the 1 away category with a win at IEM Guangzhou and MLG whatever he won In fact, you would be able to argue Idra would be a little triple crown holder because he won that ASUS ROG Invitational in Europe
Shaun Clark @ApolloSC2 10m So, today, in 1hour10minutes @sk__mc will fight against @EGRevival in the first semi final! Bo5! Can the bosstoss win an event again??? #IEM
i hope for 50 draw games between MC and Revival so they run out of time and declare both the winner and then they do a quick 2v1 vs the winner of oz vs hero.
On July 28 2013 10:12 Bagration wrote: Well I guess the only good thing about Innovation not coming is that we won't know who will win, and there won't be 4-0 lol stomps.
Thats a pretty enormous only good thing in my books.
On July 28 2013 10:34 Derez wrote: Did it start yet? ESL stream has been giving me a black screen and no video feed for IEM every time I tried to watch now.
Stream is live, video is the casters introducing the players, but the actual games haven't begun yet. Will begin shortly.
On July 28 2013 10:12 Bagration wrote: Well I guess the only good thing about Innovation not coming is that we won't know who will win, and there won't be 4-0 lol stomps.
Iaguz had the ultimate snipe builds ready but he screwed him over.
Man, the not-awkward time of this tournament made me miss so much of it. Looks so awesome too. Revival looks different, but at least he's playing well! Don't know who to root for, all the top 4 are amazing players!
On July 28 2013 10:54 stuchiu wrote: The trick to winning for Revival is to just keep making more lings. Instead of hitting probes, eat at the pylon or at the gateway.
On July 28 2013 10:54 stuchiu wrote: The trick to winning for Revival is to just keep making more lings. Instead of hitting probes, eat at the pylon or at the gateway.
I feel like it would have even better for him to just go for the nexus so he could at least force a cancel on it after he stopped making more lings and started droning
On July 28 2013 10:54 stuchiu wrote: The trick to winning for Revival is to just keep making more lings. Instead of hitting probes, eat at the pylon or at the gateway.
I feel like it would have even better for him to just go for the nexus so he could at least force a cancel on it after he stopped making more lings and started droning
That's fine too. I think both are good. But engaging the probes is the worst of the options.
On July 28 2013 10:54 stuchiu wrote: The trick to winning for Revival is to just keep making more lings. Instead of hitting probes, eat at the pylon or at the gateway.
Exactly this. On ladder that's what people would do. When Revival loses this, he's going to be kicking himself.
On July 28 2013 10:54 stuchiu wrote: The trick to winning for Revival is to just keep making more lings. Instead of hitting probes, eat at the pylon or at the gateway.
Exactly this. On ladder that's what people would do. When Revival loses this, he's going to be kicking himself.
On July 28 2013 10:54 stuchiu wrote: The trick to winning for Revival is to just keep making more lings. Instead of hitting probes, eat at the pylon or at the gateway.
Exactly this. On ladder that's what people would do. When Revival loses this, he's going to be kicking himself.
On July 28 2013 10:54 stuchiu wrote: The trick to winning for Revival is to just keep making more lings. Instead of hitting probes, eat at the pylon or at the gateway.
Exactly this. On ladder that's what people would do. When Revival loses this, he's going to be kicking himself.
On July 28 2013 10:54 stuchiu wrote: The trick to winning for Revival is to just keep making more lings. Instead of hitting probes, eat at the pylon or at the gateway.
Exactly this. On ladder that's what people would do. When Revival loses this, he's going to be kicking himself.
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 3 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 3 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 3 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
I know one is Puma but I'm blanking on the other.
whoops I made a mistake there have actually been 4 two time finalists
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 3 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
idra and nestea???
Idra is one of the correct answers. It's 4 btw I messed up at first Darkhoarse also right about Puma. there's 1 more
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 3 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 3 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
I know one is Puma but I'm blanking on the other.
Idra is the other that's it! He beat Elfi but lost to Morrow.
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 3 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
idra and nestea???
Idra is one of the correct answers. It's 4 btw I messed up at first Darkhoarse also right about Puma. there's 1 more
Did First win one? I thought he did I know he lost to Yoda.
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 3 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
idra and nestea???
Idra is one of the correct answers. It's 4 btw I messed up at first Darkhoarse also right about Puma. there's 1 more
Did First win one? I thought he did I know he lost to Yoda.
yep. First is the last guy. Beat Dream at Katowice and lost to YoDa at the World Championship
On July 28 2013 11:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: There have been 4 two time finalists including MC. Anyone wanna try to guess the other 2 without looking it up?
On July 28 2013 11:21 RandomPlayer wrote: MC's got so fat, even the eyes are hidden behind the skin. This is shocking! Is it because he's got rich/lazy or sth?.. hm
That's what Zerg can do when to you when you don't scout them, especially when you go for a fast third. MC had that coming. gg. At least we're saved from a PvP final. Whether or not that's a good thing, I'm not sure. PvZ is a boring matchup.
Rofl I love how I just mentioned that Revival and Oz no longer look quite as alike with the former's new hairdo and Redeye just said 'congratulations to Oz'
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
The answer is Jim, yoke tournament without Jimjwa.
On July 28 2013 11:33 Dodgin wrote: revival might be sniper
He would be if he had won WCS NA. As it is, he is just a pledge to the injustice league.
Should I do an injustice league write up as a milestone post?
Sure,
Here is my current list.
Members: Sniper Hyvaa Shine TheBest
Invisible: Inca
Retired: Hongun
Pledges: duckdeok Revival
Hall of Fame: BitByBit
what about PuMa? He was on the original evil list of Bitbybit, TheBest, and himself.
I think his first finals against MC was too good to put him on. He was more like an anti-hero mercenary who did whatever he had to to get money.
PuMa was really legit at TvP and drop play, he showed really really good play that first NASL final. He only descended into dark anti-hero territory when he sold his soul at a crossroads and obtained the 1/1/1 in return.
On July 28 2013 11:37 Dodgin wrote: looks like EG-TL doesn't need Coach Park after all, they're about to take 1st and 2nd place.
nah they still benefiting from his contributions
well of course he helped them get to where they are now, I'm saying now they can fly on their own. coach park's little birds have grown up and are leaving the nest.
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
Well, we had that Myungsik guy. He didn't do well. Kespa's reputation has taken a hit after MLG and IEM now, now that there's been 2 tournaments where the non-elite Kespa players disappointed.
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
Well, we had that Myungsik guy. He didn't do well. Kespa's reputation has taken a hit after MLG and IEM now, now that there's been 2 tournaments where the non-elite Kespa players disappointed.
Sorry can somebody fill me in what the Myungsik thing was?
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
If KT rolster wasn't so terrible then innovation could have come but nooooooo
On July 28 2013 11:33 Dodgin wrote: revival might be sniper
He would be if he had won WCS NA. As it is, he is just a pledge to the injustice league.
Should I do an injustice league write up as a milestone post?
Sure,
Here is my current list.
Members: Sniper Hyvaa Shine TheBest
Invisible: Inca
Retired: Hongun
Pledges: duckdeok Revival
Hall of Fame: BitByBit
what about PuMa? He was on the original evil list of Bitbybit, TheBest, and himself.
I think his first finals against MC was too good to put him on. He was more like an anti-hero mercenary who did whatever he had to to get money.
any other antihero mercenaries? could make that a subsection of players hired by the league like Symbol every time he roach bane all ins Prime maybe
I'd like to nominate ensnare and nexliveforever for retired. Ensnare pissed everyone off by not being code S worthy but staying in forever and nexliveforever's sole accomplishment after season 1 was kicking leenock out of code S and going "lol cya nerds military time"
On July 28 2013 11:33 Dodgin wrote: revival might be sniper
He would be if he had won WCS NA. As it is, he is just a pledge to the injustice league.
Should I do an injustice league write up as a milestone post?
Sure,
Here is my current list.
Members: Sniper Hyvaa Shine TheBest
Invisible: Inca
Retired: Hongun
Pledges: duckdeok Revival
Hall of Fame: BitByBit
what about PuMa? He was on the original evil list of Bitbybit, TheBest, and himself.
I think his first finals against MC was too good to put him on. He was more like an anti-hero mercenary who did whatever he had to to get money.
any other antihero mercenaries? could make that a subsection of players hired by the league like Symbol every time he roach bane all ins Prime maybe
I'd like to nominate ensnare and nexliveforever for retired. Ensnare pissed everyone off by not being code S worthy but staying in forever and nexliveforever's sole accomplishment after season 1 was kicking leenock out of code S and going "lol cya nerds military time"
Ensnare, Virus, and Bbyong are team "how are they in code s every fucking season"
also Liveforever's accomplishment of letting Polt back into Code S when everyone hated Polt
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
Well, we had that Myungsik guy. He didn't do well. Kespa's reputation has taken a hit after MLG and IEM now, now that there's been 2 tournaments where the non-elite Kespa players disappointed.
Maybe KeSPA players are better in tournaments that give you a lot of time to prepare for your opponents (SPL, WCS KR) when compared to your typical weekend marathon tournament (almost every non-WCS foreign tournament)?
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
Myungsik was there who smashed online qualifiers, including taking a game off of Innovation, then proceeded to get last place in his group and was the only Korean to drop a Bo3 to a foreigner. Foreigner PvP triumphs over Kespa again.
On July 28 2013 11:33 Dodgin wrote: revival might be sniper
He would be if he had won WCS NA. As it is, he is just a pledge to the injustice league.
Should I do an injustice league write up as a milestone post?
Sure,
Here is my current list.
Members: Sniper Hyvaa Shine TheBest
Invisible: Inca
Retired: Hongun
Pledges: duckdeok Revival
Hall of Fame: BitByBit
what about PuMa? He was on the original evil list of Bitbybit, TheBest, and himself.
I think his first finals against MC was too good to put him on. He was more like an anti-hero mercenary who did whatever he had to to get money.
any other antihero mercenaries? could make that a subsection of players hired by the league like Symbol every time he roach bane all ins Prime maybe
Anti-hero mercs: Puma - 1/1/1 any toss in 2011-2012. Heart - 1/1/1 Huk. Nakseo - All-killing EG (And by all kill i mean he is 20-3 against the entire team a feat that KT took 6 rounds to accomplish) and getting 3rd at DH Stockholm where he said the tourney was easier than Code B.
On July 28 2013 11:43 Wombat_NI wrote: Joking aside, whatever is going on in the EGTL house, be it Coach Park's doing or not is pretty damn impressive as regards the individual leagues.
If they decide to drop out of PL I will be sorely disappointed, but placated if they at least maintain the current training hhhouse
I think the biggest factor is the fact that EGTL are the only teams that are sending players en masse to nearly every single major tournament. They're bound to get some good results.
Same with Quantic and Hyun, but with only 1 player, there's a lot more variance. For example, if SKT were to send PartinG, Rain, Fantasy and soO to nearly every single tournament, SKT would also be raking in the trophies.
On July 28 2013 11:36 Elite_ wrote: Revival never reached a semifinal before joining EG. Two finals after. Dat EG curse.
EG ruined the career of such a promising player, I mean look at all the great shit he did on TSL.
Like qualify for code A... and 3 kill ogs?
Playhem!
I actually feel it is about time that he gets a decent performance and some attention. He was quite a good player on TSL and did really well online, and was one of the few Koreans streaming fairly regularly. However this was just about the time Hyun started getting a lot of attention with his fight club success and his BW legacy. Revival performed basically at Hyun's level in all but IPL fightclub, yet never got any recognition. After Hyun went on a tear and surpassed Revival by a good margin, but that doesn't change the fact that for several months they were basically equal and Revival didn't get attention.
On EG-TL he has been a decent player, but when you are a zerg on a team with JD, then people tend to overlook you. Revival is not a multiple times GSL winner and shouldn't be treated as such, but he deserves more attention and recognition than he has gotten. I really hope this can be a breakout performance from him and people will start to pay attention to him. He has a solid playstyle and when he knocks out a player in a tournament people shouldn't feel bad for the eliminated player, they should celebrate getting to see more Revival.
On July 28 2013 11:33 Dodgin wrote: revival might be sniper
He would be if he had won WCS NA. As it is, he is just a pledge to the injustice league.
Should I do an injustice league write up as a milestone post?
Sure,
Here is my current list.
Members: Sniper Hyvaa Shine TheBest
Invisible: Inca
Retired: Hongun
Pledges: duckdeok Revival
Hall of Fame: BitByBit
what about PuMa? He was on the original evil list of Bitbybit, TheBest, and himself.
I think his first finals against MC was too good to put him on. He was more like an anti-hero mercenary who did whatever he had to to get money.
any other antihero mercenaries? could make that a subsection of players hired by the league like Symbol every time he roach bane all ins Prime maybe
Anti-hero mercs: Puma - 1/1/1 any toss in 2011-2012. Heart - 1/1/1 Huk. Nakseo - All-killing EG and getting 3rd at DH Stockholm where he said the tourney was easier than Code B.
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
Well, we had that Myungsik guy. He didn't do well. Kespa's reputation has taken a hit after MLG and IEM now, now that there's been 2 tournaments where the non-elite Kespa players disappointed.
Maybe KeSPA players are better in tournaments that give you a lot of time to prepare for your opponents (SPL, WCS KR) when compared to your typical weekend marathon tournament (almost every non-WCS foreign tournament)?
Maybe also less experience with travel? I bet these Kespa guys rarely travel outside of Korea to compete, while players like MC, HerO, Hyun, etc are veterans at worldwide tournaments.
On July 28 2013 11:43 Wombat_NI wrote: Joking aside, whatever is going on in the EGTL house, be it Coach Park's doing or not is pretty damn impressive as regards the individual leagues.
If they decide to drop out of PL I will be sorely disappointed, but placated if they at least maintain the current training hhhouse
I think the biggest factor is the fact that EGTL are the only teams that are sending players en masse to nearly every single major tournament. They're bound to get some good results.
Same with Quantic and Hyun, but with only 1 player, there's a lot more variance. For example, if SKT were to send PartinG, Rain, Fantasy and soO to nearly every single tournament, SKT would also be raking in the trophies.
Players still have to post results, although you do have a point. HerO and Jaedong have outperformed a hell of a lot of notable Premier WCS Koreans at tournaments.
I mean it might just be coming into a comfort zone, but HerO now compared to HerO when the transition first occurred is something of a transformation. Oz has returned from the depths, all is good in my world.
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
Well, we had that Myungsik guy. He didn't do well. Kespa's reputation has taken a hit after MLG and IEM now, now that there's been 2 tournaments where the non-elite Kespa players disappointed.
Maybe KeSPA players are better in tournaments that give you a lot of time to prepare for your opponents (SPL, WCS KR) when compared to your typical weekend marathon tournament (almost every non-WCS foreign tournament)?
For some reason, Korean Protoss do very well in qualifiers, even non Kespa like San. Maybe Protoss has advantage in no prep tournaments like these qualifiers.
Also, it is 5 v 10 since PartinG was seeded in as WCG champ.
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
Well, we had that Myungsik guy. He didn't do well. Kespa's reputation has taken a hit after MLG and IEM now, now that there's been 2 tournaments where the non-elite Kespa players disappointed.
Maybe KeSPA players are better in tournaments that give you a lot of time to prepare for your opponents (SPL, WCS KR) when compared to your typical weekend marathon tournament (almost every non-WCS foreign tournament)?
On July 28 2013 11:40 Havik_ wrote: This tournament reminds me of the MLGs without the Koreans. Something big is missing without having the Kespa players here.
Well, we had that Myungsik guy. He didn't do well. Kespa's reputation has taken a hit after MLG and IEM now, now that there's been 2 tournaments where the non-elite Kespa players disappointed.
Maybe KeSPA players are better in tournaments that give you a lot of time to prepare for your opponents (SPL, WCS KR) when compared to your typical weekend marathon tournament (almost every non-WCS foreign tournament)?
For some reason, Korean Protoss do very well in qualifiers, even non Kespa like San.
San is the qualifying bonjwa, sure he's incredibly mediocre in nearly every tournament but by god if you put him in a qualifier it's gg train time.
I heard azubu are practicing hypnosis to trick san into thinking every match is a qualifier.
unfortunately he apparently took some time away from his qualifier bonjwa status at WCG losing in the first round but he got those WCS EU and ASUS ROG qualifier spots so it was probably a well earned break
On July 28 2013 11:52 Dodgin wrote: man this has to be one of the least hyped and viewed final day of a premier tournament ever
I think it's still more hyped than IEM Singapore even with Grubby in the finals for that one. I don't think many people even remember/known Sting won an IEM
On July 28 2013 11:52 Dodgin wrote: man this has to be one of the least hyped and viewed final day of a premier tournament ever
I think it's still more hyped than IEM Singapore even with Grubby in the finals for that one. I don't think many people even remember/known Sting won an IEM
singapore still had like 45k viewers though, because grubby.
On July 28 2013 11:52 Dodgin wrote: man this has to be one of the least hyped and viewed final day of a premier tournament ever
I think the goal of this particular IEM is to build up the local scene in China. With HotS just releasing there and an increasing presence of Chinese players in International players, it has really good timing. Too bad Jim/Macsed can't go to WCS NA and got knocked out/DQ'ed from the tourney.
On July 28 2013 11:52 Dodgin wrote: man this has to be one of the least hyped and viewed final day of a premier tournament ever
I think it's still more hyped than IEM Singapore even with Grubby in the finals for that one. I don't think many people even remember/known Sting won an IEM
singapore still had like 45k viewers though, because grubby.
How many viewers did RorO vs Symbol death of WoL finals have when aired at the same time as HoTS IEM World Championship?
On July 28 2013 11:52 Dodgin wrote: man this has to be one of the least hyped and viewed final day of a premier tournament ever
I think it's still more hyped than IEM Singapore even with Grubby in the finals for that one. I don't think many people even remember/known Sting won an IEM
singapore still had like 45k viewers though, because grubby.
How many viewers did RorO vs Symbol death of WoL finals have when aired at the same time as HoTS IEM World Championship?
On July 28 2013 11:52 Dodgin wrote: man this has to be one of the least hyped and viewed final day of a premier tournament ever
I think the goal of this particular IEM is to build up the local scene in China. With HotS just releasing there and an increasing presence of Chinese players in International players, it has really good timing. Too bad Jim/Macsed can't go to WCS NA and got knocked out/DQ'ed from the tourney.
iono, the goal of this IEM was to have an adequate venue since WCS Finals decided to steal Gamescom from them
luckily carmac got revenge on his german oppressors by moving the grand final to poland
On July 28 2013 11:52 Dodgin wrote: man this has to be one of the least hyped and viewed final day of a premier tournament ever
I think the goal of this particular IEM is to build up the local scene in China. With HotS just releasing there and an increasing presence of Chinese players in International players, it has really good timing. Too bad Jim/Macsed can't go to WCS NA and got knocked out/DQ'ed from the tourney.
iono, the goal of this IEM was to have an adequate venue since WCS Finals decided to steal Gamescom from them
On July 28 2013 12:04 Dr.Sin wrote: Wasn't Oz a former PVP specialist, with one of the best win rates in the match up?
yes but then sometime around September 2012 his pvp plummeted because he said in an interview at the fnatic house that it was all about skill and he would beat anyone
On July 28 2013 12:04 Dr.Sin wrote: Wasn't Oz a former PVP specialist, with one of the best win rates in the match up?
yes but then sometime around September 2012 his pvp plummeted because he said in an interview at the fnatic house that it was all about skill and he would beat anyone
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I remember that like it was yesterday!
On July 28 2013 12:18 Havik_ wrote: Why not keep the Oracle at home?? I don't get it. You have no chance otherwise.
Oracle doesn't do much to stalkers and he knew he got the MsC down, so no photon cannon for hero. If he would get lucky and enters just after a warpin from hero in the front, then the mining would be denied for such a long time. But I think he would have been fine if he would have pulled probes and kite chased the stalkers with the oracles down.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
dreamhack would smite you for that d;
dreamhack is being directed by stephen speilberg and scored by john williams with the best special effects, you can hire whatever actors you want as long as they're not nerchio and bly
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
On July 28 2013 12:33 Plansix wrote: Omg, did they remove this mans vocal cords before the cast? It sounds like he is preparing for a staring role in the exorcist.
3 days casting in super hot China can do that to a man.
On July 28 2013 12:33 Plansix wrote: Omg, did they remove this mans vocal cords before the cast? It sounds like he is preparing for a staring role in the exorcist.
3 days casting in super hot China can do that to a man.
I feel bad for him, he sounds like he is in rough shape, or drinking JD.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
I don't think he's top 5 quite yet. Getting close though, but something seems to be missing.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
Hmm, Rain, sOs, Parting, Jangbi, the-other-Hero, First, Stats come to mind.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
I think he's definitely one of the top ten in the world now, though. Phenomenal in all match-ups, makes comebacks happen.
In my opinion it goes something like this: 10. Symbol 9. Hero 8. Mvp(I believe) 7. sos 6. Flash 5. Jangbi 4.Rain/Bomber Combined 3. Bomber TvP/TvT 2. Soulkey(Minus Innovation no one can beat him imo) 1. Innovation
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
Hmm, Rain, sOs, Parting, Jangbi, the-other-Hero, First, Stats come to mind.
Parting isn't playing that well of late. CJhero is a bit down on where his initial promise seemed to indicate he'd end up
On July 28 2013 12:38 Dodgin wrote: yeah good job IEM put a comment on stream saying the most popular player left in your tournament isn't actually a star?
hmmm
I think they just featured the "HerO is like mila kunis" part, which is the funniest part.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
I don't think he's top 5 quite yet. Getting close though, but something seems to be missing.
If he was consistent and played like he's been playing this weekend all the time, then yeah he's top 5, but overall I wouldn't even give him top 10. He's very overrated.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
Hmm, Rain, sOs, Parting, Jangbi, the-other-Hero, First, Stats come to mind.
Parting isn't playing that well of late. CJhero is a bit down on where his initial promise seemed to indicate he'd end up
Yeah he fell WAY down, not even the ace anymore of CJ. Parting is struggling to, though to be fair we have to see more of his matches before we can make an accurate judgement. And when's the last game sos has played?
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
Hmm, Rain, sOs, Parting, Jangbi, the-other-Hero, First, Stats come to mind.
Parting isn't playing that well of late. CJhero is a bit down on where his initial promise seemed to indicate he'd end up
Yeah he fell WAY down, not even the ace anymore of CJ. Parting is struggling to, though to be fair we have to see more of his matches before we can make an accurate judgement. And when's the last game sos has played?
2-0d Curious in Code A Ro24 missed qualifying for WCG Korea losing to Rain in the finals of his bracket
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
Hmm, Rain, sOs, Parting, Jangbi, the-other-Hero, First, Stats come to mind.
Parting isn't playing that well of late. CJhero is a bit down on where his initial promise seemed to indicate he'd end up
Yeah he fell WAY down, not even the ace anymore of CJ. Parting is struggling to, though to be fair we have to see more of his matches before we can make an accurate judgement. And when's the last game sos has played?
New teams will do that to a player, which I think we forget a lot. Parting will come back at some point, it just a question of when.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
I don't think he's top 5 quite yet. Getting close though, but something seems to be missing.
If he was consistent and played like he's been playing this weekend all the time, then yeah he's top 5, but overall I wouldn't even give him top 10. He's very overrated.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
I don't think he's top 5 quite yet. Getting close though, but something seems to be missing.
If he was consistent and played like he's been playing this weekend all the time, then yeah he's top 5, but overall I wouldn't even give him top 10. He's very overrated.
everyone's considered overrated these days. also i can't think of 10 protoss who are better than him.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
Hmm, Rain, sOs, Parting, Jangbi, the-other-Hero, First, Stats come to mind.
Parting isn't playing that well of late. CJhero is a bit down on where his initial promise seemed to indicate he'd end up
Yeah he fell WAY down, not even the ace anymore of CJ. Parting is struggling to, though to be fair we have to see more of his matches before we can make an accurate judgement. And when's the last game sos has played?
He lost 2-0 against Rain in WCG KR Qualifiers yesterday, but won against Puzzle and Kop
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
I don't think he's top 5 quite yet. Getting close though, but something seems to be missing.
If he was consistent and played like he's been playing this weekend all the time, then yeah he's top 5, but overall I wouldn't even give him top 10. He's very overrated.
aligulac put him at 16 aligulac has spoken
Beating on foreigners does wonders for aligulac. See ForGG
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
I don't think he's top 5 quite yet. Getting close though, but something seems to be missing.
If he was consistent and played like he's been playing this weekend all the time, then yeah he's top 5, but overall I wouldn't even give him top 10. He's very overrated.
To be fair though I don't think you can call someone who can consistantly beat even the absolute best players in Starcraft 2(Soulkey, Flash, Roro come to mind), the Ace of EG-TL and a two-time Dreamhack Champion overrated.
Maybe just super hyped, but not overrated. He definitely has the skill even if he doesn't show it all the time, which I think he mainly does now and inconsistencies are rare.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
Hmm, Rain, sOs, Parting, Jangbi, the-other-Hero, First, Stats come to mind.
Parting isn't playing that well of late. CJhero is a bit down on where his initial promise seemed to indicate he'd end up
Yeah he fell WAY down, not even the ace anymore of CJ. Parting is struggling to, though to be fair we have to see more of his matches before we can make an accurate judgement. And when's the last game sos has played?
sOs just played yesterday in the WCG Korea qualifiers. Lost to Rain in the group finals.
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
I don't think he's top 5 quite yet. Getting close though, but something seems to be missing.
If he was consistent and played like he's been playing this weekend all the time, then yeah he's top 5, but overall I wouldn't even give him top 10. He's very overrated.
aligulac put him at 16 aligulac has spoken
Beating on foreigners does wonders for aligulac. See ForGG
forgg has fallen quite a bit lately. the names that are boosted right now are San with his 90% win rate vs foreigners or something and farming EU weekly tournaments and lucifron
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
I think he's definitely one of the top ten in the world now, though. Phenomenal in all match-ups, makes comebacks happen.
In my opinion it goes something like this: 10. Symbol 9. Hero 8. Mvp(I believe) 7. sos 6. Flash 5. Jangbi 4.Rain/Bomber Combined 3. Bomber TvP/TvT 2. Soulkey(Minus Innovation no one can beat him imo) 1. Innovation
For some reason I feel like you can't even put Flash in top 10 in my opinion and that hurts to say as a huge fan. ;-;
Players don't fall down quickly enough in Aligulac. I mean, as an ST fan, even I have to admit that having Life at your 2nd highest rating spot might not be quite accurate.
On July 28 2013 12:45 VisonKai wrote: Players don't fall down quickly enough in Aligulac. I mean, as an ST fan, even I have to admit that having Life at your 2nd highest rating spot might not be quite accurate.
it's cause he doesnt play many games and they are still testing decay
I think Jangbi might be the next big protoss. Had a misstep in Code S but easily re qualified for season 2 and crushed his WCG groups. He didn't drop a map in either Code A or WCG...
On July 28 2013 12:19 TAMinator wrote: Dissapointing viewer numbers
Its PvP and PvZ. Neither are crowd favorites.
TIL hero is not a crowd favorite with his 500 page 900,000 views fan club
HerO is like mila kunis
a desirable and popular part of your cast but I don't think you're going to make much money on a movie when she's your primary star
That is only because he hasnt looked like one of the best in the world lately. If he was suddenly on soulkey/innovation level he would draw far more viewers than them. He has in the past drawn more than this on his own.
He really has been top tier of late, top 5 Protoss perhaps in recent form alone, and definitely one of the most entertaining playstyle wise.
I don't think he's top 5 quite yet. Getting close though, but something seems to be missing.
If he was consistent and played like he's been playing this weekend all the time, then yeah he's top 5, but overall I wouldn't even give him top 10. He's very overrated.
To be fair though I don't think you can call someone who can consistantly beat even the absolute best players in Starcraft 2(Soulkey, Flash, Roro come to mind), the Ace of EG-TL and a two-time Dreamhack Champion overrated.
Maybe just super hyped, but not overrated. He definitely has the skill even if he doesn't show it all the time, which I think he mainly does now and inconsistencies are rare.
Hyped but not overrated sums it up quite well, if you look at his achievements and peaks of play. Number 8 in prizemoney apparently now, not too shabby
On July 28 2013 12:45 VisonKai wrote: Players don't fall down quickly enough in Aligulac. I mean, as an ST fan, even I have to admit that having Life at your 2nd highest rating spot might not be quite accurate.
that's because they will only introduce time based decay once it becomes completely obvious they need it to salvage their damaged reputation, and even then it will be too late
kind of like the catholic church's relationship with actually doing something about child abusing priests
On July 28 2013 12:45 VisonKai wrote: Players don't fall down quickly enough in Aligulac. I mean, as an ST fan, even I have to admit that having Life at your 2nd highest rating spot might not be quite accurate.
that's because they will only introduce time based decay once it becomes completely obvious they need it to salvage their damaged reputation, and even then it will be too late
kind of like the catholic church's relationship with actually doing something about child abusing priests
eh. damaged reputation. could be worse. could be TLPD
On July 28 2013 12:46 Waxangel wrote: i kinda stopped watching movies regularly since I left college else I'd be able to make better bad analogies
Eh, no on watches movies any more. Just reference Breaking Bad and Madmen and you should have unlimited sources to draw from. Someone is the Don Draper of Starcraft 2.
Oz goes for a double gate into stargate opener. Hero goes for triple gate aggression and proxies pylons far ahead. Oz tries to kill one and they battle with Hero losing his MSC and Oz losing his sentry. This lets Hero just bumrush into Oz's main and Oz tries to hold while his oracle dose damage, but 7 stalkers do more damage than just 1 oracle and he wins. Hero takes game 1.
Game 2 Hero vs Oz
Same builds, but Oz keeps his sentries alive. They do a lot of juking with Hero contianing Oz on 1 base and Oz teching to Robo to get 1 warp prism out to pressure with 4 zealots. The warp prism dies, and the 4 zealots are stopped. Hero expands and Oz gets another warp prism to break the contain and get his own nexus. Both players macro up to their comps. Hero gets void ray immortal and later archons while Oz gets a small group of blink stalkers to presure while going archon immoratls. Both get thirds, but Oz gets more damage done with his stalkers as he brings it lower. Oz runs around Hero with his stalkers forcing Hero's entire army to ambush them. This lets 2 archons 2 immortal 2 sentries to snipe rHero's third. Hero tries to bust Oz with his army, but his MSC dies to a feedback and he gets surrounded and dies. Oz takes game 2.
On July 28 2013 12:45 VisonKai wrote: Players don't fall down quickly enough in Aligulac. I mean, as an ST fan, even I have to admit that having Life at your 2nd highest rating spot might not be quite accurate.
that's because they will only introduce time based decay once it becomes completely obvious they need it to salvage their damaged reputation, and even then it will be too late
kind of like the catholic church's relationship with actually doing something about child abusing priests
eh. damaged reputation. could be worse. could be TLPD
Oh god HAHAHAHAHA
Aligulac really found the perfect niche of a market with how lacking TLPD was. Doesn't it not even update all its games due to lack of contributors, as well as some other stuff.
Ready guys for the best player in the world according to TLPD? + Show Spoiler +
On July 28 2013 12:45 VisonKai wrote: Players don't fall down quickly enough in Aligulac. I mean, as an ST fan, even I have to admit that having Life at your 2nd highest rating spot might not be quite accurate.
that's because they will only introduce time based decay once it becomes completely obvious they need it to salvage their damaged reputation, and even then it will be too late
kind of like the catholic church's relationship with actually doing something about child abusing priests
yes it's bad analogy day
I have read this 3 times and I still do not get it. I feel stupid.
On July 28 2013 12:45 VisonKai wrote: Players don't fall down quickly enough in Aligulac. I mean, as an ST fan, even I have to admit that having Life at your 2nd highest rating spot might not be quite accurate.
that's because they will only introduce time based decay once it becomes completely obvious they need it to salvage their damaged reputation, and even then it will be too late
kind of like the catholic church's relationship with actually doing something about child abusing priests
eh. damaged reputation. could be worse. could be TLPD
Oh god HAHAHAHAHA
Aligulac really found the perfect niche of a market with how lacking TLPD was. Doesn't it not even update all its games due to lack of contributors, as well as some other stuff.
Ready guys for the best player in the world according to TLPD? + Show Spoiler +
On July 28 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote: could be TLPD not updated for 7 months at the end of WOL
I was in a coma between November of 2012 and March of 2013, I couldn't say
Sex Coma DAT REFERENCE WHERES DODGIN AT
Aligulac has the same problem with Koreans who mass stomp Europeans. They can mitigate it better than TLPD, but the "San Problem" can't really be solved in an elegant way :/
Hallucinated Collusus's are always so cool and makes so much sense, considering you don't even use all sentry energy anyway, really can trick your opponent and win you games or force your opponent back so you gain time.
Such great games in IEM by the way. Sad we didn't see more high caliber players.
On July 28 2013 12:45 VisonKai wrote: Players don't fall down quickly enough in Aligulac. I mean, as an ST fan, even I have to admit that having Life at your 2nd highest rating spot might not be quite accurate.
that's because they will only introduce time based decay once it becomes completely obvious they need it to salvage their damaged reputation, and even then it will be too late
kind of like the catholic church's relationship with actually doing something about child abusing priests
yes it's bad analogy day
I have read this 3 times and I still do not get it. I feel stupid.
After seeing that finish with so many archons and colossi, I would like someone to make a Starcraft tribute band in the style of Alien Ant Farm, named Alien A-Move. Make it happen.
On July 28 2013 12:57 Bagration wrote: The EG TL rivalry just doesn't get the same hype as it used to :\
The rivalry hype pretty much died with the formation of EGTL
Yup
I'd say even earlier than that, HerO vs. PuMa was the last real EG-TL rivalry, and even that was pretty soft because they were good friends IRL
The hyped died down a lot after Taeja joined and Liquid looked a lot better than EG in mid 2012, but after Stephano joined, there was still a good amount of hype for the Liquid-EG match in the IPTL (EG won 5-4, great series).
On July 28 2013 12:57 Bagration wrote: The EG TL rivalry just doesn't get the same hype as it used to :\
The rivalry hype pretty much died with the formation of EGTL
Yup
I'd say even earlier than that, HerO vs. PuMa was the last real EG-TL rivalry, and even that was pretty soft because they were good friends IRL
The hyped died down a lot after Taeja joined and Liquid looked a lot better than EG in mid 2012, but after Stephano joined, there was still a good amount of hype for the Liquid-EG match in the IPTL (EG won 5-4, great series).
yah but Stephano so clearly represents himself more than a team that it didn't matter
On July 28 2013 13:01 Waxangel wrote: anyway NaNiwa vs. The World is a better rivalry than EG-TL
Nani vs. everyone is a better rivalry than literally anything else, so that's not saying much.
NaNiwa vs. Employability was my favorite feud, though I'm glad NaNiwa finally won and ended it at last
Major vs. Finding a Home is great too.
It was Major vs. finding an ID.
That one has ended though, hasn't it?
Unless he changes back to the original best ever, Princess.
On July 28 2013 13:12 hai2u wrote: that was some pretty bad play by Oz
It was pretty fantastic play throughout this series, he moved out at the exact right time, just didn't leave an observer back.
Did you guys also notice how he was moving his probe around, I thought he was going to scout the dark shrine I was having heart palpitations. Such great play I've been noticing in his PvP.
That DT play hit Oz so off guard. I don't think Oz even calculated for the possibility of DTs. HerO's defense was pretty spectacular too. He used I think 1 or 2 DTs to take out all of Oz's colossi.
OZ didn't play his A game, but clearly this game shifted the momentum of the series. OZ was outplaying hero every game IMO until game 4. Oz got mindgamed hard
On July 28 2013 13:12 Moobutt wrote: That DT play hit Oz so off guard. I don't think Oz even calculated for the possibility of DTs. HerO's defense was pretty spectacular too. He used I think 1 or 2 DTs to take out all of Oz's colossi.
the dt's did hurt the colossi, but the immortal and stalkers focused them down way nicely.
On July 28 2013 13:15 bo1b wrote: If you told me a year ago that it would be hero not displaying nerves in a pvp but oz, I'd probably laugh.
If you told me two years ago that the b-team player oGs_Hero would become one of the best players in Starcraft history and even today, I would slap you.
On July 28 2013 13:24 Dwayn wrote: "it's so close" lol
Well, when Oz is playing against himself, it can often be close.
Edit: Also, GG Oz, pleasantly surprised. Rooting for Revival in the finals tho. Then I gotta get to bed so I can wake up in time to do crap before I go to red bull tomorrow.
On July 28 2013 13:26 chatuka wrote: at one point Oz had a 49-40 worker count. HerO needed to harass or at least even up the worker count. He did neither and paid the price
I think it got as bad as 62-48 at one point if I remember right
This series could have gone either way. HerO made a major mistake that cost him came 5 when he the momentum in the series. oh well, Oz will probably win. One of THe high light of tournament was that hidden dark shrine at the sexy DT play by HerO
On July 28 2013 13:45 Waxangel wrote: so if someone sneaks into Seed's room and destroys the souljar that contains ByuN's soul, will byun be decent again?
The follow up question: what, if anything, will then make Seed decent again?
On July 28 2013 13:45 Waxangel wrote: so if someone sneaks into Seed's room and destroys the souljar that contains ByuN's soul, will byun be decent again?
Oz PvP from March 18th, 2012 (start of Fnatic Raidcall Invitational 2 and the interview) until January 31st, 2013 (date own3d shut down) In these games, Oz is 68–66 (51%) in games and 26–23 (53%) in matches.
post Jan 31 In these games, Oz is 24–15 (62%) in games and 15–7 (68%) in matches.
I just can't think IEM can break even when doing these events in China. Such low viewership due to the time it air, and all the cost of, well, doing it in China.
On July 28 2013 13:50 Noocta wrote: I just can't think IEM can break even when doing these events in China. Such low viewership due to the time it air, and all the cost of, well, doing it in China.
I think IEM New York will be much better hopefully.
On July 28 2013 13:50 Noocta wrote: I just can't think IEM can break even when doing these events in China. Such low viewership due to the time it air, and all the cost of, well, doing it in China.
Well, stream revenue isn't the only thing. Tournament labor costs might be lower, and cheaper to fly from Korea to China than Korea to EU
so finally the curse comes to an end. not surprised that its by a korean on EG. not saying that its bad or anything. just goes to show that koreans are that much better.
On July 28 2013 13:52 Riner1212 wrote: so finally the curse comes to an end. not surprised that its by a korean on EG. not saying that its bad or anything. just goes to show that koreans are that much better.
Wait you realize that other EG players have won tournaments while under this "curse" right?
On July 28 2013 13:50 Noocta wrote: I just can't think IEM can break even when doing these events in China. Such low viewership due to the time it air, and all the cost of, well, doing it in China.
I think IEM New York will be much better hopefully.
Again, Chinese fans dude. Idk what their stream numbers have been like but I'd wager at least the league tourney was successful.
On July 28 2013 13:50 Noocta wrote: I just can't think IEM can break even when doing these events in China. Such low viewership due to the time it air, and all the cost of, well, doing it in China.
I think IEM New York will be much better hopefully.
Again, Chinese fans dude. Idk what their stream numbers have been like but I'd wager at least the league tourney was successful.
On July 28 2013 13:52 Riner1212 wrote: so finally the curse comes to an end. not surprised that its by a korean on EG. not saying that its bad or anything. just goes to show that koreans are that much better.
o.o the curse was that if you are a badass and win most of the time and eg buys you because of this, then you will drop out everywhere early. So Oz and Revival never were affected by the curse. And the curse poofed anyway when eg marketed it.
On July 28 2013 13:52 Riner1212 wrote: so finally the curse comes to an end. not surprised that its by a korean on EG. not saying that its bad or anything. just goes to show that koreans are that much better.
o.o the curse was that if you are a badass and win most of the time and eg buys you because of this, then you will drop out everywhere early. So Oz and Revival never were affected by the curse. And the curse poofed anyway when eg marketed it.
So really the curse wasn't getting bought by eg, but being marketted by eg. Now that the curse is marketed look what happens.
On July 28 2013 13:54 mikumegurine wrote: instead of that Chinese announcer up there speaking in Chinese
how would ya feel if it IEM called up Jim do do those commentary instead? lol....
Hi. I apologise for the poor delivery of the introduction if there is any discrepancies or criticism with it, while the Starcraft 2 games are being casted by top chinese casters, XiaoSe, Msjoy-T, and F91. I am not involved in the casting in any manner if you were wondering.
I will improve for my next delivery, and hope it will be up to expectations.
On July 28 2013 13:54 mikumegurine wrote: instead of that Chinese announcer up there speaking in Chinese
how would ya feel if it IEM called up Jim do do those commentary instead? lol....
Hi. I apologise for the poor delivery of the introduction if there is any discrepancies or criticism with it, while the Starcraft 2 games are being casted by top chinese casters, XiaoSe, Msjoy-T, and F91. I am not involved in the casting in any manner if you were wondering.
I will improve for my next delivery, and hope it will be up to expectations.
I don't think he was being serious or trying to criticize you. I don't actually know, but I'd assume you did fine.
Bleh, this is why I was rooting for Hero to win. I'm a big fan of both players but Hero's PvZ is better than Oz's and thus he'd have a better chance of taking the tournament against Revival.
On July 28 2013 14:17 Supah wrote: Oz was supply blocked so, so badly. Should have easily killed that third
was to late anyway the base already payed off big time. Mules weren't the only reason that golds are gone, ZvP was the other. Though it seems not as bad in HotS.
On July 28 2013 13:54 mikumegurine wrote: instead of that Chinese announcer up there speaking in Chinese
how would ya feel if it IEM called up Jim do do those commentary instead? lol....
Hi. I apologise for the poor delivery of the introduction if there is any discrepancies or criticism with it, while the Starcraft 2 games are being casted by top chinese casters, XiaoSe, Msjoy-T, and F91. I am not involved in the casting in any manner if you were wondering.
I will improve for my next delivery, and hope it will be up to expectations.
Nah, you did a good job. He was just saying "Wouldn't it be cool if they pulled Jim up on stage?"
Yet another Protoss derping himself in a finals. Getting really really sick of this trend by Protoss players...this is why they never win tournaments -_-
On July 28 2013 14:29 blobrus wrote: Ok this game is actually getting interesting. Oz wrecked those hydras, I thought he was about to get hurt by those.
Phoenixes always beat hydras unless it's 35 vs 35 or something really high.
On July 28 2013 14:29 blobrus wrote: Ok this game is actually getting interesting. Oz wrecked those hydras, I thought he was about to get hurt by those.
Phoenixes always beat hydras unless it's 35 vs 35 or something really high.
That muta switch was interesting. I can't even imagine observing a game like that. I think there were four or five bases under attack at one time near the end.
On July 28 2013 14:35 MaxField wrote: Wow, the casters were hating on the muta play, but turned out to be a great move. Gotta love the flying t-rex!
It only worked because Oz walked his army halfway across the map only to turn around and then not defend his bases and then move out again only to recall when he realized it was too late.
On July 28 2013 14:35 MaxField wrote: Wow, the casters were hating on the muta play, but turned out to be a great move. Gotta love the flying t-rex!
It only worked because Oz walked his army halfway across the map only to turn around and then not defend his bases and then move out again only to recall when he realized it was too late.
Terrible decision making.
The first rule of base trading with a zerg as toss is DONT BASE TRADE WITH A ZERG.
On July 28 2013 14:35 GreyKnight wrote: I think hero would have crushed revival
Ha, no way.
When Hero is on his game his PvZ is unbeatable...Same scenario as last game Hero wouldnt of lost nearly as much pheonix...I was cringing watching them just sit there
On July 28 2013 14:42 Fionn wrote: So did we ever figure out how Revival beat Polt in G5 or is that just another Shanghai mystery to go along with everything else this weekend.
Apparently it was 3-1, at least I'm pretty certain I saw something to that effect.
part of Oz's problem is that you can't out macro a zerg. perhaps some early pressure and timing attacks to shut down 4th bases or even early third bases.
On July 28 2013 14:42 Fionn wrote: So did we ever figure out how Revival beat Polt in G5 or is that just another Shanghai mystery to go along with everything else this weekend.
Apparently it was 3-1
Dirty commies paid Polt off! But for real, I hope they release the vods for that, I didn't get to watch much this weekend .
On July 28 2013 14:44 chatuka wrote: part of Oz's problem is that you can't out macro a zerg. perhaps some early pressure and timing attacks to shut down 4th bases or even early third bases.
He had that last game won. He just panicked and did everything possible to make sure he lost the game.
On July 28 2013 14:42 Fionn wrote: So did we ever figure out how Revival beat Polt in G5 or is that just another Shanghai mystery to go along with everything else this weekend.
Apparently it was 3-1, at least I'm pretty certain I saw something to that effect.
It was 3-2.
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@MaynardeSC2 @IEM @PaulChaloner @ApolloSC2 @Kaelaris @ToDSC2 Can we get a confirmation of who won between Polt and Revival please?
On July 28 2013 14:35 Holdenintherye wrote: I can't tell if Revival is playing really well or if Oz is playing really poorly.
Revival used the map perfectly, expanded all over because Phoenix can't harass Zerg workerlines (waste of energy to kill drones as they reproduce faster then your energy comes back) and then attacked all over the place and pinned Oz down. Oz though decided to attack and anticipated Corruptors, but Revival noticed the missing Anions and that he got a ton of them with the Hydras. So just a bad read by Oz, but Corruptors seemed the most logical move for Revival.
On July 28 2013 14:35 Holdenintherye wrote: I can't tell if Revival is playing really well or if Oz is playing really poorly.
Revival used the map perfectly, expanded all over because Phoenix can't harass Zerg workerlines (waste of energy to kill drones as they reproduce faster then your energy comes back) and then attacked all over the place and pinned Oz down. Oz though decided to attack and anticipated Corruptors, but Revival noticed the missing Anions and that he got a ton of them with the Hydras. So just a bad read by Oz, but Corruptors seemed the most logical move for Revival.
Killing drones is a good move if it doesn't cost you anything but energy, money is money, and larva is larva.
On July 28 2013 14:42 Fionn wrote: So did we ever figure out how Revival beat Polt in G5 or is that just another Shanghai mystery to go along with everything else this weekend.
figure out those madlife hooks before you move onto more difficult problems
On July 28 2013 14:56 Noocta wrote: Has all the old TSL players won a tournament by now ? I don't remember if Symbol ash one to go with all his silver medals.
Cyrano aka ValuE (although I doubt people even remember him)
On July 28 2013 14:56 Noocta wrote: Has all the old TSL players won a tournament by now ? I don't remember if Symbol ash one to go with all his silver medals.
Cyrano aka ValuE (although I doubt people even remember him)
Mamuri qualified for code A but lost to MKP. I dont think he's done anything else
On July 28 2013 14:56 Noocta wrote: Has all the old TSL players won a tournament by now ? I don't remember if Symbol ash one to go with all his silver medals.
Cyrano aka ValuE (although I doubt people even remember him)
Well, I'm not really talking about the lesserr known members D: Polt, HyuN, Symbol, Revival, Ragna..
On July 28 2013 14:58 Zambrah wrote: Well THAT was a rough sweep, lol. That was not a strong showing of PvZ from Oz... Revival played pretty solidly though!
GG fellows, I lay myself to rest content with an EG victory and satisfied that Revival got a well earned major tourney win. :D
Now to stick Jaedong and Oz in a serious PvZ training camp. :p
I was gonna suggest making them play against each other all day err'day but that might end really badly.
On July 28 2013 14:59 chatuka wrote: revival really uses hyun's macro style. It's gonna take an aggressive player like Flash or a all-inner to counter these macro zergs lately.
On July 28 2013 14:58 Zambrah wrote: Well THAT was a rough sweep, lol. That was not a strong showing of PvZ from Oz... Revival played pretty solidly though!
GG fellows, I lay myself to rest content with an EG victory and satisfied that Revival got a well earned major tourney win. :D
Now to stick Jaedong and Oz in a serious PvZ training camp. :p
I was gonna suggest making them play against each other all day err'day but that might end really badly.
Yeah, preferably NOT just against each other, lol.
Maybe it starts a chain reaction with Revival though. Revival vs Oz makes Oz a beast and then JD vs Oz makes JD a beast and then the three of them make each other beastlier.
On July 28 2013 14:59 chatuka wrote: revival really uses hyun's macro style. It's gonna take an aggressive player like Flash or a all-inner to counter these macro zergs lately.
It's basically the TSL Zerg style.
Protoss are like "I can macro up till 12 minutes right"
On July 28 2013 15:01 Baroninthetree wrote: Revival , that macro style, reminds me JD in BW times. This should be the essence of zerg.
Love Revivals style, to bad he usually dies after getting ahead and he sadly gets ahead alot. But seems like fighting a teammate is less stressful for him.
Thanks for sticking with us, guys. It's been one of the hardest shows I've had to run and it wasn't devoid of problems, but such is China.
I promise you guys a much better New York City event!
[edit Unkind of me to forget Nathanias who has really helped out GREATLY by covering the games we lost due to a lack of power and good internet on the broadcast side.
On July 28 2013 15:17 Carmac wrote: Thanks for sticking with us, guys. It's been one of the hardest shows I've had to run and it wasn't devoid of problems, but such is China.
I promise you guys a much better New York City event!
Any news on when we will be able to buy tickets, or where the venue will be? Thanks!!
On July 28 2013 15:17 Carmac wrote: Thanks for sticking with us, guys. It's been one of the hardest shows I've had to run and it wasn't devoid of problems, but such is China.
I promise you guys a much better New York City event!
[edit Unkind of me to forget Nathanias who has really helped out GREATLY by covering the games we lost due to a lack of power and good internet on the broadcast side.
wax wants bribes
also nathanias was awesome for covering the day3 Ro8 matches at terrible hours
On July 28 2013 15:17 Carmac wrote: Thanks for sticking with us, guys. It's been one of the hardest shows I've had to run and it wasn't devoid of problems, but such is China.
I promise you guys a much better New York City event!
[edit Unkind of me to forget Nathanias who has really helped out GREATLY by covering the games we lost due to a lack of power and good internet on the broadcast side.
You should've had Nathanias casting with ToD at your event instead than the Aussie guy. He was decent but not up to the challenge when it came to meeting the IEM golden standard of excellent casting / hosting. This last day was just brutal when before I kinda just tuned him out and didn't really listen much to what he said. But today you heard every word cause his voice was so shot from screaming at every single thing that happened in the games. Not just that but he made so many bad judgements and said so many just blissfully unaware moments during the casts that I was getting annoyed towards the end of the ro4.
Grats Revival~!!! You owned it this weekend. Revival champion caliber player for a long time now, and just now starting to rank up there. Taking 2nd at WCS AM s1 and now the Gold here. Congrats you deserve it!!!
On another note, great amazing games as usual at an IEM..... shame it wasn't in the finals tho. Polt vs Hyun, MC vs alive, HerO vs Hyun.... and then HerO got unlucky in his worst matchup (cause its the most based on luck) and then made some not so perfect decision making in the final game that you tend to only see him make in ace match situations. If he's just starting a match or is ahead HerO plays with stunning confidence and bold decisions that either win him games or lose them.... usually winning when he backs up his aggression with solid defense. But that 5th game we just didn't see that kind of play... I'm pretty sure he kill a bunch of probes on Starstation, but then didn't push before archons could be out with his immortal sentry and couldn't trade efficiently with zealots vs archons, nor did he snipe the third and recall out there..... Or if he couldn't he shoulda waited.
He waited that long ALREADY and shoulda scouted archons with phoenix (he did I'm sure) before battle which would make pushing immediately not as important since he already lost all purpose for sentries... right there he shoulda stopped and said "Wait 20 seconds (or maybe less) for mommacore to get recall energy then pull him to left with proxy warp in then I'll come in from the right and use my 6 or 7 fuckin immortals and blast that nexus to dust quick enough to recall out with minimal losses."
Or if he had continuously made a forcefield a wall around his Immortals from Oz's zealots over and over while O'z archons engage HerO's zealots...... Then those immortals wouldn't have gotten nearly as torn apart as they did even if Oz moves in with archons to break the ff thats why you start the fight as far away from the archons so the chargelots have to charge far in. Then soon as they charge you throw up FF and bring in your zealots from the side so they dont get blocked by your own FF. The Archons can either engage zealots and kill them easily but still taking them way more time than if not. Or Oz's Archons would have moved in to break the FF wall and meanwhile your zealots are just swiping away getting a full surround at this point and you can re-FF it up.
Can't wait for NYC I'll SEE YOU THERE SUCKA'S!!!!! Hope to see Apollo, ToD, Nathanias and Kaelaris in person!!! As well as HerO and all my favorite NA players and hell I wanna see everyone even the ones I hate right now for ruining our finals by getting lucky like Oz. Even tho his casting can sometimes be tediously long winded I wouldn't mind seeing Incontrol either. He's a terrific host for events like Dreamhack and his casting is usually more good than it is bad.
On July 28 2013 15:44 Advantageous wrote: Z 1st place 3 protoss takes 2nd-4th? Brace yourself Zergs; the "Zerg OP/no skill" are coming", so are the Terran least OP are coming...
anyone with a brain knows that just by who entered the tourney the final four was guaranteed to be 2 zerg 2 protoss or 3 protoss 1 zerg. It just so happened that hero stomped hyun.
On July 28 2013 15:47 VayneAuthority wrote: anyone with a brain knows that just by who entered the tourney the final four was guaranteed to be 2 zerg 2 protoss or 3 protoss 1 zerg. It just so happened that hero stomped hyun.
Wow, it ended up to be the final which i hoped the least for. Well, at least it wasn't a PvP i guess. Or were the games bad anyway? Since it was 4:0... ^^
I also really expected Grubby to play better. Did really well and showed terrific games vs Loner and Courage going 2-0 against both the Chinese players. Yet DRG and OZ are good but I'd say Grubby is right around their level and can definitely take matches off either of them. Sometimes it just don't go your way tho....
On July 28 2013 15:50 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, it ended up to be the final which i hoped the least for. Well, at least it wasn't a PvP i guess. Or were the games bad anyway? Since it was 4:0... ^^
Games awful. 1 game OZ played decent with Phoenix.... then he blew his entire lead by not getting storm and just donating all his phoenix then watching as Revival made a MUTA SWITCH against double stargate..... lmao.. was actually pretty brilliant by him. He did that knowing that the game had progressed so long and he wasn't seeing an increasing number in the phoenix count so he knew voids or tempest were being made. Really genius decision making by Revival. Really showing why he reached that championship walkover match.
Besides all the shitty things... iem did its best. Maybe first do sc2 and then LOL.. its sad that qxc and hero were so devasted by their losses. Anyways... it was worth my 300 rmb (40 euro) of my money. Didnt see the whole event chinajoy except iem if course.
Next stop... wcg eu
@carmac you kept your promise.. the first 2 days were shitty Bc if lol.... the third day was worth it and fourth day was a bit short though... but good enough!
I still wonder if Hyun didn't lose vs Polt in one of the most heartbreaking nail-biting series going from 1-0 to 1-2, if he couldn't have stopped Revival. Both of them have good ZvZ, but Hyun's a little better. Anyway, congrats Revival, great tournament.
buff terran :D:D kiddig. tbh, i like the results of this tournament. I love Revival and I always thought he had potential to win a big tournament like this.. and finally :D:D
Could´nt watch the games, but I have to say, I did´nt expect this, congratz Revival. In retrospect, Titan was pretty unlucky, having to play Revival twice (and Myungsik).
On July 28 2013 18:15 sharkie wrote: why is this a tier 1 event and DH Valencia was tier 2?
I think because the preliminary phase (online) encompassed 128 + players
whereas valencia was only 96
that's the distinction I can see so far in these tourneys
If I remember correctly, TaKe said on Climbing The Ladder that the tournament requirements for Tier 1 and Tier 2 are the same or at least the contracts are the same. Don't know if the modality of how the players qualify is included in the contract.
On July 28 2013 18:15 sharkie wrote: why is this a tier 1 event and DH Valencia was tier 2?
Idk why but the lineup for this event was way better than for DH Valencia
This lineup a year ago would have been ridiculous hyped up with great players. Most of the final 16 are having struggles to stay on top (DRG), but regardless well earned and great job revival.
I feel like being teammates with Jaedong definitely helped Revival win this thing... this was his tournament.. where Jaedong fell short... and things fell into place nicely... Revival's ZvP was monstrous and beating Polt and MC on the way? shit he made Zerg look so OP in the finals. so relaxed in the booth, looked like a stone cold killer in the booth, in the knockout stages especially... totally seemed to be channeling a bit of JD in that factor imo.
Oz might have been overthinking things, nerves got to him, and did not respond well perfectly to Revival's either aggressive or smart play at key times (that terrible game 1, the reaction to attacking the the zerg taking the middle gold base in game 2, the mid-late mass expanding + tech switch to muta in game 3 after Oz built up a near-perfect unit composition...). happy to see Revival win this tbh (would have preferred Polt or HerO actually but he got his first major win so awesome for him).
there were some serious issues with internet and streaming for ESL etc... shame. dat Chinese wall. I couldn't watch live so keeping up with VODs was tough, watched everything so late it was a bit confusing. they acknowledged the problems with this IEM at the end of the broadcast... and that IEM NYC will be so much more on point and they'll deliver for sure.
the production was not what I'm used to see from ESL TV, like WCS EU, the previous IEM's... and some of the CS:GO tournaments they put on were pretty badass. Carmac, RedEye will step it up at the next stop for sure. They have before after criticism, they actually listen to the fans.
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Unkind of me to forget Nathanias who has really helped out GREATLY by covering the games we lost due to a lack of power and good internet on the broadcast side.
