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On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know. Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you. Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through. someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said. Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard! At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite. I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.
I think in this case the tone is very revealing, not so much the content.
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On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know. Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you. Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through. someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said. Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard!
Only the better player should win every game. There shouldn't be cheeses at all. So every game can be a 45 minute macro fest with robots battling it out. Because that's never going to get boring ever.
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On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know. Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you. Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through. someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said. Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard! At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite. I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.
but saying everything terran does won't work agaisnt this all in is pretty much balance whine, see his previous post.
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On July 12 2013 21:00 LiLSighKoh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:59 scypio wrote:On July 12 2013 20:52 DJHelium wrote:On July 12 2013 20:51 scypio wrote:On July 12 2013 20:50 AgentW wrote:On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know. Scout it. If you have no idea what's going on in any way, shape, or form, you're pretty much dead as a doornail. Supernova new that it was coming, that's why he built three bunkers. Just quit the "scout anything to win talk", it does not work that way. He needs more marines and more bunkers. If he scouts it, he can cut those missile turrets and some SCVs for more of that. Then you hold on until you have medivacs´stim, then you win. That's the hard part, as Genius did a great job at denying scouting. Scanning anything is a gamble and having pre-pulled scvs all the time will just put you to far behind in the eco... maybe build a sensor tower  Avenge*
Right, fixed that, ty.
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United States97274 Posts
Terran should ghost rush so they can emp the immortals and sentries obviously
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And laggout into mindset crush into gg;)
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Belgica34432 Posts
Cordstomp, San was far ahead he should be given the game
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wow creator is in code b? poor prime TT
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On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know. Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you. Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through. someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said. Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard! At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite. I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.
In retrospect, he also complimented the Protoss. Not balance whining but more an observation.
I guess that's the way of most strong cheeses: if you don't know what's going on, you're going to have a difficult time defending while the opponent doesn't have as tough of a time. On the other hand, there's things that your opponent may know exactly what's coming and still not be able to stop it *cough*hellbat drops*cough* (but not anymore!).
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On July 12 2013 21:01 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know. Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you. Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through. someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said. Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard! At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite. I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them. but saying everything terran does won't work agaisnt this all in is pretty much balance whine, see his previous post.
I am not balance whining, just looking for answers on how to 100% hold this push. And it seems there is none.
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I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?
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On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?
Yes, it's like PL playoffs. MVP is in the finals and has to beat the winner of the other four teams.
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Norway25712 Posts
On July 12 2013 21:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Terran should ghost rush so they can emp the immortals and sentries obviously
Yeah I agree, then you can just easily surround with SCVs while your two Marines shoot the Protoss to death.
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On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?
It's playoffs, lose and you're out yes.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On July 12 2013 21:02 AzBozz wrote:
wow creator is in code b? poor prime TT
It's all on maru to keep his entire team alive. No pressure for the young boy.
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On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?
Thats correct. The group stage is over.
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On July 12 2013 21:03 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running? Yes, it's like PL playoffs. MVP is in the semifinals and has to beat the winner of the other four teams.
Cheers.
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On July 12 2013 21:03 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 21:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Terran should ghost rush so they can emp the immortals and sentries obviously Yeah I agree, then you can just easily surround with SCVs while your two Marines shoot the Protoss to death.
Actually the 2 ghost push from the past is really good against it.... :x
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On July 12 2013 21:04 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 21:03 AgentW wrote:On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running? Yes, it's like PL playoffs. MVP is in the semifinals and has to beat the winner of the other four teams. Cheers.
It's a little early for that... 
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On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know. Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you. Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through. someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said. Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard! At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite. I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.
That doesn't change the fact that that shouldn't matter at all. As you said there is a lot in starcraft where one side has "an easier job" than the other, but I don't see how that would matter as it should be a simple logic consequence from creating a game with 3 unique races, I fail to see how which side has an easier time doing something should ever matter at all, especially when talking about balance.
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