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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 12 2013 12:00 GMT
#1001
On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know.

Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you.



Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through.

someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said.


Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard!

At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol

FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite.


I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.

I think in this case the tone is very revealing, not so much the content.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
July 12 2013 12:01 GMT
#1002
On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know.

Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you.



Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through.

someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said.


Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard!


Only the better player should win every game. There shouldn't be cheeses at all. So every game can be a 45 minute macro fest with robots battling it out. Because that's never going to get boring ever.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
July 12 2013 12:01 GMT
#1003
On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know.

Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you.



Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through.

someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said.


Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard!

At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol

FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite.


I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.

but saying everything terran does won't work agaisnt this all in is pretty much balance whine, see his previous post.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
July 12 2013 12:01 GMT
#1004
On July 12 2013 21:00 LiLSighKoh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:59 scypio wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:52 DJHelium wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:51 scypio wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:50 AgentW wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know.

Scout it. If you have no idea what's going on in any way, shape, or form, you're pretty much dead as a doornail.


Supernova new that it was coming, that's why he built three bunkers. Just quit the "scout anything to win talk", it does not work that way.


He needs more marines and more bunkers. If he scouts it, he can cut those missile turrets and some SCVs for more of that. Then you hold on until you have medivacs´stim, then you win.


That's the hard part, as Genius did a great job at denying scouting. Scanning anything is a gamble and having pre-pulled scvs all the time will just put you to far behind in the eco... maybe build a sensor tower

Avenge*


Right, fixed that, ty.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
July 12 2013 12:01 GMT
#1005
Terran should ghost rush so they can emp the immortals and sentries obviously
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
July 12 2013 12:02 GMT
#1006
And laggout into mindset crush into gg;)
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 12 2013 12:02 GMT
#1007
Cordstomp, San was far ahead he should be given the game
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AzBozz
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany518 Posts
July 12 2013 12:02 GMT
#1008
wow creator is in code b? poor prime TT
MMA | MVP|Teaja|Polt|MKP|Byun|Maru|Thorzain|Creator|HasuObs|Socke|Lucifron|Vortix|Mana|Heromarine / PRIME and Mousesports fighting!!
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
July 12 2013 12:02 GMT
#1009
On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know.

Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you.



Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through.

someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said.


Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard!

At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol

FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite.


I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.

In retrospect, he also complimented the Protoss. Not balance whining but more an observation.

I guess that's the way of most strong cheeses: if you don't know what's going on, you're going to have a difficult time defending while the opponent doesn't have as tough of a time. On the other hand, there's things that your opponent may know exactly what's coming and still not be able to stop it *cough*hellbat drops*cough* (but not anymore!).
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
July 12 2013 12:02 GMT
#1010
On July 12 2013 21:01 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know.

Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you.



Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through.

someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said.


Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard!

At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol

FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite.


I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.

but saying everything terran does won't work agaisnt this all in is pretty much balance whine, see his previous post.


I am not balance whining, just looking for answers on how to 100% hold this push. And it seems there is none.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 12 2013 12:02 GMT
#1011
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-12 12:04:22
July 12 2013 12:03 GMT
#1012
On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?

Yes, it's like PL playoffs. MVP is in the finals and has to beat the winner of the other four teams.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 12 2013 12:03 GMT
#1013
On July 12 2013 21:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Terran should ghost rush so they can emp the immortals and sentries obviously

Yeah I agree, then you can just easily surround with SCVs while your two Marines shoot the Protoss to death.
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LiLSighKoh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States588 Posts
July 12 2013 12:04 GMT
#1014
On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?

It's playoffs, lose and you're out yes.
"Want some? Go get some!"
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 12 2013 12:04 GMT
#1015
On July 12 2013 21:02 AzBozz wrote:
wow creator is in code b? poor prime TT

It's all on maru to keep his entire team alive. No pressure for the young boy.
Glorious SEA doto
SneX
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden377 Posts
July 12 2013 12:04 GMT
#1016
On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?

Thats correct. The group stage is over.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 12 2013 12:04 GMT
#1017
On July 12 2013 21:03 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?

Yes, it's like PL playoffs. MVP is in the semifinals and has to beat the winner of the other four teams.

Cheers.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 12 2013 12:04 GMT
#1018
On July 12 2013 21:03 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 21:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Terran should ghost rush so they can emp the immortals and sentries obviously

Yeah I agree, then you can just easily surround with SCVs while your two Marines shoot the Protoss to death.


Actually the 2 ghost push from the past is really good against it.... :x
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
July 12 2013 12:04 GMT
#1019
On July 12 2013 21:04 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 21:03 AgentW wrote:
On July 12 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote:
I haven't been following the format all that closely, if either team loses are they out of the running?

Yes, it's like PL playoffs. MVP is in the semifinals and has to beat the winner of the other four teams.

Cheers.

It's a little early for that...
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
July 12 2013 12:05 GMT
#1020
On July 12 2013 20:59 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:58 AgentW wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:57 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:52 HugzForL wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:49 HugzForL wrote:
Can anyone tell us a way to defend this immortal allin? I'd like to know.

Obviously it needs to be scouted and you need to add more bunkers, possibly widow mines, buying time until medivacs are out also can really help you.



Man he scouted it, he knew something was up. And you just won't buy enough time for medivac, unless the protoss just falls asleep in front of your base. And more bunker? Remember Naniwa a-clicked into Lucifron's 5 bunkers. Still went through.

someone is mad. 1. it wasn't a click. 2. it doesn't help you if you have more bunkers than units. and 3. what novemberstorm said.


Yeah clearly i am mad, lol. It's just funny how you guys are hypocrites, this all-in is so easy to perform while being so hard to defend. Yeah yeah, the obvious better player was the protoss right there. He did some amazing ff's, so hard!

At least you're up front about the balance whining. That's better than most lol

FYI, hypocrite is not the right word here. Don't know what you mean to use, but it's not hypocrite.


I believe 'easier to execute than to hold off' is accurate and not balance whine at all. There are lots of strategies in Starcraft 2 that are actually very easy to pull of compared to how much effort it takes to defend them.


That doesn't change the fact that that shouldn't matter at all. As you said there is a lot in starcraft where one side has "an easier job" than the other, but I don't see how that would matter as it should be a simple logic consequence from creating a game with 3 unique races, I fail to see how which side has an easier time doing something should ever matter at all, especially when talking about balance.
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