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Penev
28503 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:05 Schelim wrote: amazing game. was that the first time someone made a mothership in a meaningful pro game in HOTS? BabyKnight used it against Stephano in WCS EU. | ||
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artrea
Latvia3560 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:05 Schelim wrote: amazing game. was that the first time someone made a mothership in a meaningful pro game in HOTS? I know Babyknight used it mulitple times against Stephano WCS EU ro8. But I dont know if anyone did it earlier than that | ||
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Marshall_D
United States196 Posts
wow man, game 3 was awesome. hyvaa was doing everything right, but i think the 3rd or 4th time rain tried to take 9 o clock, hyvaa didn't respond quick enough. rain really did great delaying, and hyvaa played perfect until the very very late game. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:06 Nebuchad wrote: So what? Or do you tell terrans to stop making ghosts because they can get feedbacked? Ghosts can kill or disable templar with sight, vipers can't, big difference. | ||
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Aiobhill
Germany283 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1218 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:05 Schelim wrote: amazing game. was that the first time someone made a mothership in a meaningful pro game in HOTS? It's been done against swarm host for the cloacking ability. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
word, didn't see those games. thanks bro. | ||
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ottosec
505 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:07 Aiobhill wrote: Without spending ~9000/6000 on Ultralisks that did virtually nothing, Zerg would have actually won while being outplayed for 45 minutes. Three sources of free units + movable static defense is dumb as eff. In what way was he being outplayed? Rain must have lost 5k in failed harassment, and he won by slowly building up an army that zerg couldn't engage. And how could zerg ever win that lol, he couldn't get a 5th base up in that game ever. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:06 Zheryn wrote: song name? | ||
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Account252508
3454 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:08 monkybone wrote: That was a cool game. How does zerg deal with this? Mass corruptor viper, or just more infestors and static defense? I saw a zerg a few months ago in the gsl go mass corruptor viper against that airtoss composition, and it looked like it had potential. hyvaa was nearly there. Probably a couple vipers, and better infestor micro. | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:04 Qikz wrote: I don't understand why they don't bother splitting them against storm either. Hyvaa did split his corruptors. If you mean that they should suuuuper spread out, that is not a good tactic at all. This means that they can't focus down anything which you need to do with corruptors due to their low dps. It also means that you won't be able to provide cover for the bulk of the corruptors. | ||
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:07 Aiobhill wrote: Without spending ~9000/6000 on Ultralisks that did virtually nothing, Zerg would have actually won while being outplayed for 45 minutes. Three sources of free units + movable static defense is dumb as eff. Those ultralisks accomplished much less than several groups of zerglings, and much more expensive. With that money saved, he may have a chance, but the main thing are those zealots keep killing 5th base. He will win if he mined from that base consistently. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:02 bo1b wrote: How can really good protoss players possibly lose in this position? Easy, in fact I don't think protoss can win this if zerg plays it well. Zerg needs to use a few infestors AND vipers. You can continously abduct and fungal protoss units and just pick them off, it becomes near impossible to whittle away at the defenses then. Vipers also easily stop WP play and voidray + msc harass, which Rain didn't really use well. If protoss makes tempests to whittle away your defenses the main army is weakened a lot at which point zerg can start to play much more aggressive with the rest of it's units. Hyvaa just didn't know how to play this style, no use of vipers, making corruptors against the voidray army (you need hydra's with maybe a few corruptors) and never aggressively proceeding his creep and static defenses. Finally you can use hydra's to raid bases while protoss is whittling away but hyvaa didn't do that instead opted for lings which isn't as effective. Rain didn't play too great either but zerg made it easy to let P get that tempest transition plus his units weren't getting picked off at all. Tons of times a well timed fungal could have killed the templar by rooting them and targetting with the locusts.. It was actually subpar play on both sides imo, probably because of unfamiliarity with this style. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16100 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:09 gobbledydook wrote: hyvaa was nearly there. Probably a couple vipers, and better infestor micro. Yea that's what I thought he was missing too: Vipers. Real useful for keeping the unit count down on things like Tempests. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:05 gobbledydook wrote: While your corruptors are getting into position the protoss are attacking your corruptors... and then when the corruptors finally get there to attack, the protoss takes a step back and now your corruptors aren't covered by your other units. the attack cooldown of corruptors is pretty high, you could move them during it and would not lose attacks/shots. by the time 2374623423 tempests take a step back you'd have killed them. | ||
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revoN
Japan804 Posts
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