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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
June 10 2013 12:11 GMT
#641
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 10 2013 12:11 GMT
#642
team 8 plays samsung khan tomorrow which means eg-tl will probably be going into 7th place
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Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 10 2013 12:12 GMT
#643
On June 10 2013 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.


muta vs muta was actually more interesting for me to watch than that lol
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 10 2013 12:12 GMT
#644
On June 10 2013 21:01 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 20:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:57 NicksonReyes wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:55 Caihead wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:53 bgx wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
This is some high stress situation for Jaedong. He must be having winnersleague finals flash backs.

I don't think there is that much stress when you know you won't get into the playoffs.


You never know man. KT was dead last the last SPL season and they claws their way back to 4th place.

Last SPL season? The hybrid season?

We don't talk about that season around here.

Well, the one before that, KT went 5-2 in R2 and 3-4 in R3 and got to 3rd so I just don't remember them climbing to 4th from the bottom.


They went 0-3 first and was in deadlast by losing to T8 and Airforce Ace. How can you not remember that. I remember they did a ceremony of players holding monitors saying from X place to first when they got to first place.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 10 2013 12:13 GMT
#645
EGTL 14W 22L
Team8 14W 22L

EGTL -40 map score
Team8 -26 map score

LOL EGTL, when they lose, they get 4-0d xD
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
June 10 2013 12:14 GMT
#646
On June 10 2013 21:12 Bam Lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.


muta vs muta was actually more interesting for me to watch than that lol


Hardly true at all.
In this game it came down to one engagement because JD was going all-in: either he won there or lost there. There wouldn't be a second engagement.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 12:15:16
June 10 2013 12:14 GMT
#647
On June 10 2013 21:12 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:01 NicksonReyes wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:57 NicksonReyes wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:55 Caihead wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:53 bgx wrote:
On June 10 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
This is some high stress situation for Jaedong. He must be having winnersleague finals flash backs.

I don't think there is that much stress when you know you won't get into the playoffs.


You never know man. KT was dead last the last SPL season and they claws their way back to 4th place.

Last SPL season? The hybrid season?

We don't talk about that season around here.

Well, the one before that, KT went 5-2 in R2 and 3-4 in R3 and got to 3rd so I just don't remember them climbing to 4th from the bottom.


They went 0-3 first and was in deadlast by losing to T8 and Airforce Ace. How can you not remember that. I remember they did a ceremony of players holding monitors saying from X place to first when they got to first place.

You said they climbed their way up to a PO spot so I assumed you're saying they were dead last right before PO aka R3, especially since we were first talking about EG-TL's situation right now.
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 12:16:16
June 10 2013 12:15 GMT
#648
On June 10 2013 21:12 Bam Lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.


muta vs muta was actually more interesting for me to watch than that lol

Indeed... even though, it has its own flaws, Muta vs. Muta was at least very active, constant ling run-bys, Banelings and Lings micro, Muta attacking at different places etc.

This is mostly "I mass Roaches and add some Hydras, and attack, better engagement/upgrades wins". Yey...

On June 10 2013 21:14 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:12 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 10 2013 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.


muta vs muta was actually more interesting for me to watch than that lol


Hardly true at all.
In this game it came down to one engagement because JD was going all-in: either he won there or lost there. There wouldn't be a second engagement.

Are you saying that his opinion is "hardly true"?
lol
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
June 10 2013 12:15 GMT
#649
and EGTL prolong their misery...
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 12:18:58
June 10 2013 12:17 GMT
#650
On June 10 2013 21:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:12 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 10 2013 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.


muta vs muta was actually more interesting for me to watch than that lol

Indeed... even though, it has its own flaws, Muta vs. Muta was at least very active, constant ling run-bys, Banelings and Lings micro, Muta attacking at different places etc.

This is mostly "I mass Roaches and add some Hydras, and attack, better engagement/upgrades wins". Yey...


You're quite wrong, roach runbys are prevalent in the roach hydra vs roach hydra matchup. One very important deciding factor is who harasses better/defends better as the point of the runbys is to pull your enemy out of position. I can't imagine how you can say ZvZ roach hydra is a-move.

edit: im a fail quoter, i wanted to quote the guy who said roach vs roach is all down to 1 engagement. I wasn't saying your opinion is false; of course opinions are never true or false, only good or bad.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
June 10 2013 12:18 GMT
#651
Wow was disappointed when he lost to rare. Hopefully Tyrant JvZ came back!
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Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 12:20:06
June 10 2013 12:19 GMT
#652
On June 10 2013 21:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:12 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 10 2013 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.


muta vs muta was actually more interesting for me to watch than that lol

Indeed... even though, it has its own flaws, Muta vs. Muta was at least very active, constant ling run-bys, Banelings and Lings micro, Muta attacking at different places etc.

This is mostly "I mass Roaches and add some Hydras, and attack, better engagement/upgrades wins". Yey...

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:14 gobbledydook wrote:
On June 10 2013 21:12 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 10 2013 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.


muta vs muta was actually more interesting for me to watch than that lol


Hardly true at all.
In this game it came down to one engagement because JD was going all-in: either he won there or lost there. There wouldn't be a second engagement.

Are you saying that his opinion is "hardly true"?
lol


I suppose he was referring to the post i quoted.
Well Roach/Hydra/Infestor can be very intense as well with runbys and the players trying to get the better positioning, but i am personally just sick of it since WoL. Muta wars were somewhat refreshing for me cause i liked the ling/bling wars and runbys and not seeing units jsut constantly puking at each other
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
June 10 2013 12:20 GMT
#653
Poll: Recommend the Ace Match?

Yes (10)
 
50%

If you have time (9)
 
45%

No (1)
 
5%

20 total votes

Your vote: Recommend the Ace Match?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 12:21:53
June 10 2013 12:21 GMT
#654
eg won, yessssssssss

edit ooops
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 10 2013 12:21 GMT
#655
On June 10 2013 21:21 graNite wrote:
cj won, yessssssssss


ah no? Jaedong won the ace.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 10 2013 12:22 GMT
#656
yeah the 3 shot compared to the 4,1 shot before is a big difference (completely shut down because you only need 1 spore now instead of 2 against low amounts of mutas per base) ! The Roach wars are only a result of the nerf factor and people treating the units affected by the nerf as if they spread a disease.
Hevad Khan
Profile Joined May 2009
United States158 Posts
June 10 2013 12:27 GMT
#657
On June 10 2013 21:13 Pandemona wrote:
EGTL 14W 22L
Team8 14W 22L

EGTL -40 map score
Team8 -26 map score

LOL EGTL, when they lose, they get 4-0d xD


Most of those 0-4's clearly are during all-kill SPL and not this format where you only play once. It's no coincidence that they won today
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
June 10 2013 12:28 GMT
#658
On June 10 2013 21:17 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On June 10 2013 21:12 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 10 2013 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And there we have it, these Roach wars that all come to one engagement. Don't know how people were thinking that shutting down Mutas completely will open up more possibilities in this match-up.

On the match, great play by Jaedong, was superior in every way.


muta vs muta was actually more interesting for me to watch than that lol

Indeed... even though, it has its own flaws, Muta vs. Muta was at least very active, constant ling run-bys, Banelings and Lings micro, Muta attacking at different places etc.

This is mostly "I mass Roaches and add some Hydras, and attack, better engagement/upgrades wins". Yey...


You're quite wrong, roach runbys are prevalent in the roach hydra vs roach hydra matchup. One very important deciding factor is who harasses better/defends better as the point of the runbys is to pull your enemy out of position. I can't imagine how you can say ZvZ roach hydra is a-move.

edit: im a fail quoter, i wanted to quote the guy who said roach vs roach is all down to 1 engagement. I wasn't saying your opinion is false; of course opinions are never true or false, only good or bad.

I am that guy that said Roach wars come to one engagement. :D
Roach run-bys depends on the map, and it isn't always one engagement, but it is a lot of the times. It isn't really a-move, there is micro involved, but that micro is kind of silly if you look at other types of micro required for some other units, Banelings and Lings just for example.

I am not saying that Roaches and Hydras are bad, they aren't, but last patch when Spores were doing 30 damage against Biological actually had more diversity. We saw Mutas most of the time, but players were switching after that to Roaches/Infestors/Hydras/Swarm Hosts.

I just think that 45 damage Spore change was overreaction to Mutas vs. Mutas, because Mutas should be used as harassment units, they are pretty terrible in direct engagement. If you can deflect their harassment with 2 Spores, they are not worth it anymore and there will be hardly any games where we will see Mutas at all.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 12:40:29
June 10 2013 12:36 GMT
#659
Scoring:

EG-TL +2
CJ +1

Bunny +3
Revival +4
Oz +4
rare +3
TaeJa +4
Hydra +2
Jaedong +5

all other EG-TL players +1
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 12:39:41
June 10 2013 12:38 GMT
#660
On June 10 2013 21:27 Hevad Khan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 21:13 Pandemona wrote:
EGTL 14W 22L
Team8 14W 22L

EGTL -40 map score
Team8 -26 map score

LOL EGTL, when they lose, they get 4-0d xD


Most of those 0-4's clearly are during all-kill SPL and not this format where you only play once. It's no coincidence that they won today

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Round_3

most of EG-TL's 0-4's are actually in R3

fun fact: EG-TL has gone 3-4 in all rounds except for R3 where they went 1-6 lol
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