On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not.
How is this even debatable?
Oh "training". HuK is Korean right? Oh "start to end". Come the draft there's a high chance kespa will include a fair bit of not-actually-kespa. I can't wait for that debate.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not.
How is this even debatable?
Oh "training". HuK is Korean right?
So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not.
How is this even debatable?
Oh "training". HuK is Korean right?
So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know.
EG-TL aren't part of the Kespa organisation, so no.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not.
How is this even debatable?
Oh "training". HuK is Korean right?
So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know.
EG-TL aren't part of the Kespa organisation, so no.
???
But their coach which is what matters for a team is a legendary kespa coach. They are taking part in the Kespa team league instead of the ESF teamleague. HerO plays with kespa players more than ESF players. So ????
The whole argument is retarded. The only way to actually distinguish Kespa and ESF is if they only benefited from one majority party for their career. People who hop around and then get instantly referred to an organization when it's ambiguous whether they benefited from that organization is discrediting that person's hard work. Someone like Bogus or Flash is unambiguously Kespa. If you actually want to make a comparison between the training regiment, team environment or organizational environment or who influences their decision making you have to go to that basis and not look at in between. It's as silly as calling Yugioh a foreign player a week after he gets picked up and hasn't even left Korea yet.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not.
How is this even debatable?
Oh "training". HuK is Korean right?
So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know.
EG-TL aren't part of the Kespa organisation, so no.
???
But their coach which is what matters for a team is a legendary kespa coach. They are taking part in the Kespa team league instead of the ESF teamleague. HerO plays with kespa players more than ESF players. So ????
The whole argument is retarded. The only way to actually distinguish Kespa and ESF is if they only benefited from one majority party for their career. People who hop around and then get instantly referred to an organization when it's ambiguous whether they benefited from that organization is discrediting that person's hard work. Someone like Bogus or Flash is unambiguously Kespa. If you actually want to make a comparison between the training regiment, team environment or organizational environment or who influences their decision making you have to go to that basis and not look at in between. It's as silly as calling Yugioh a foreign player a week after he gets picked up and hasn't even left Korea yet.
Yeah I get the point, which is sort of why I ignore the potential for ambiguity by basically referencing people by their association. As an example: Yugioh is a Korean player on a foreign team. Innovation is a korean player on a kespa team. Major is a mexican player on a Kespa team. That's basically how I associate players for their identification.
Sort of just saying how it is should be...well how it is from my point of view haha. People call Parting Kespa, or not, because it's too long to type: "13 South Korean Kespa players that have been trained by kespa and remain in kespa. 1 south korean kespa player that has been trained by both kespa + esf and went from kespa to esf to kespa."
So Parting's description is confusing regardless of how you want to sell it, and I'll keep saying he's "kespa" to shorten all that.
EDIT: Sorry if we're derailing here. We're not even arguing kespa vs esf as far as I'm aware, just the 'branding' that people apply.
Oh except some other fool tried to start that kespa vs esf thing. Ignore him.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
What a silly argument. You're a Kespa player if you currently play for a Kespa team, you're ESF if you currently play for an ESF team, end of story. Like, does that mean Parting and Squirtle are still Startale players? Are you still going to refer to Jarome Iginla as a Calgary Flames player? LeBron James as a Cav? Etc, etc.
You're on the team/organization you're currently a member of, anything else is horribly confused.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
What a silly argument. You're a Kespa player if you currently play for a Kespa team, you're ESF if you currently play for an ESF team, end of story. Like, does that mean Parting and Squirtle are still Startale players? Are you still going to refer to Jarome Iginla as a Calgary Flames player? LeBron James as a Cav? Etc, etc.
You're on the team/organization you're currently a member of, anything else is horribly confused.
The only actual legitimate reason to association kespa and ESF players is because that label means something because the regiment is so different between the two. And a career long association with one or the other was supposed to mean something. Only retards and fan boys actually think that just by labeling someone a label you would change that person's personal accomplishments. Labeling parting Kespa or ESF means nothing in terms of SC2 because unless you talk to him personally and ask him which organization he benefited most from or what it meant for him to train in kespa environment vs esf environment.
This whole shit started because BW veterans believed their training regiment and the heart of hard working players under the kespa banner were better players not necessarily result wise but in terms of work ethics and tradition. Here we had people who trained their asses off in strict environments, versus people who just stream for revenue and some who behaved like unprofessional hacks. And we thought it counted for something to be coming from the Kespa tradition, regardless of how much BW veterans had their own issues with Kespa. Then it spread to the forums where people just use it to label players to a team like it means anything, "oh this player was signed by a kespa team, guess that means he's automatically better!". It doesn't mean shit if you don't even know what you are talking about.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
What a silly argument. You're a Kespa player if you currently play for a Kespa team, you're ESF if you currently play for an ESF team, end of story. Like, does that mean Parting and Squirtle are still Startale players? Are you still going to refer to Jarome Iginla as a Calgary Flames player? LeBron James as a Cav? Etc, etc.
You're on the team/organization you're currently a member of, anything else is horribly confused.
Labeling parting Kespa or ESF means nothing in terms of SC2 because unless you talk to him personally and ask him which organization he benefited most from or what it meant for him to train in kespa environment vs esf environment
I have to admit I didn't ask Parting if he feels more like a ESF or Kespa when I made my little Kespa-ESF tally. I don't really know anything about all that touchy-feely stuff, all I know is that when I look at Liquipedia it tells me Parting was a SKT1 player in 2013 and that's good enough for me.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
What a silly argument. You're a Kespa player if you currently play for a Kespa team, you're ESF if you currently play for an ESF team, end of story. Like, does that mean Parting and Squirtle are still Startale players? Are you still going to refer to Jarome Iginla as a Calgary Flames player? LeBron James as a Cav? Etc, etc.
You're on the team/organization you're currently a member of, anything else is horribly confused.
The only actual legitimate reason to association kespa and ESF players is because that label means something because the regiment is so different between the two. And a career long association with one or the other was supposed to mean something. Only retards and fan boys actually think that just by labeling someone a label you would change that person's personal accomplishments. Labeling parting Kespa or ESF means nothing in terms of SC2 because unless you talk to him personally and ask him which organization he benefited most from or what it meant for him to train in kespa environment vs esf environment.
Guess I'm a retard then How does being in a different training regiment affect it? KeSPA is an organization that oversees e-sports, and in SC2 there are 7 teams. If you're in one of those teams you're "a KeSPA-player". It goes that way in every sports that is out there, you're just saying your own subjective opinion who's what. Same way if you play hockey in various junior leagues in NA and then 15 years in NHL, then transfer to KHL, you no longer are a NHL-player but a KHL-player. It doesn't revoke your history but your current status changes.
Sigh, I'm rebutting people who are labeling these players Kespa or ESF with an external justification (if a kespa player does well, it's supposed to support statement X, if a esf player does badly, it's also supposed to support statement X as well as Y. and so on.). I feel retarded even talking about it, so here's the bottom line of what I mean:
People are making posts with Kespa vs ESF player ratios in major tournaments as if it means something, and labeling players' most recent team as if that's the staple that we should judge him by. "Yugioh is foreign! Parting is Kespa!" I pointed out why just saying that a person represents Kespa or ESF doesn't mean shit unless you understand what it means to train under Kespa or ESF and which has actually affected you the most and in what way.
On that note go Effort, you better do well or I will never forgive you for winning that OSL from flash.
On June 06 2013 17:56 DarkLordOlli wrote: I have no sound but I'm still watching the Kpop.
Thats me everyday too. Watching at work as well? xD
Yeah. I got really lucky at work since most days are really slow until like 2pm which is perfect for watching korean starcraft :D
Nice! Yeah i have similar situation. My job is just plain easy so i can spread my work out and do before and after xD
GO KPOP!
Funny, I'm in a similar position myself. My boss is really chill about it as well, but when it's busy I don't get to watch.
Where did all the students go ? Are we only working people watching the GSL nowadays ? Are we becoming an old bunch ?
Well, I have to work 9 months before I can start studying. Either social work or military service, I chose social work. So don't worry, not everybody is 60 like Shellshock. Least I'm assuming he's that old or his post count would be nonsensical.
On June 06 2013 17:56 DarkLordOlli wrote: I have no sound but I'm still watching the Kpop.
Thats me everyday too. Watching at work as well? xD
Yeah. I got really lucky at work since most days are really slow until like 2pm which is perfect for watching korean starcraft :D
Nice! Yeah i have similar situation. My job is just plain easy so i can spread my work out and do before and after xD
GO KPOP!
Funny, I'm in a similar position myself. My boss is really chill about it as well, but when it's busy I don't get to watch.
Where did all the students go ? Are we only working people watching the GSL nowadays ? Are we becoming an old bunch ?
Well, I have to work 9 months before I can start studying. Either social work or military service, I chose social work. So don't worry, not everybody is 60 like Shellshock. Least I'm assuming he's that old or his post count would be nonsensical.
Ahaha Well the age poll thread said most people were 21-22 (my age is 22) but i've been working for a while. And most people be finishing Uni by that age xD
On June 06 2013 17:56 DarkLordOlli wrote: I have no sound but I'm still watching the Kpop.
Thats me everyday too. Watching at work as well? xD
Yeah. I got really lucky at work since most days are really slow until like 2pm which is perfect for watching korean starcraft :D
Nice! Yeah i have similar situation. My job is just plain easy so i can spread my work out and do before and after xD
GO KPOP!
Funny, I'm in a similar position myself. My boss is really chill about it as well, but when it's busy I don't get to watch.
Where did all the students go ? Are we only working people watching the GSL nowadays ? Are we becoming an old bunch ?
Well, I have to work 9 months before I can start studying. Either social work or military service, I chose social work. So don't worry, not everybody is 60 like Shellshock. Least I'm assuming he's that old or his post count would be nonsensical.
On June 06 2013 17:56 DarkLordOlli wrote: I have no sound but I'm still watching the Kpop.
Thats me everyday too. Watching at work as well? xD
Yeah. I got really lucky at work since most days are really slow until like 2pm which is perfect for watching korean starcraft :D
Nice! Yeah i have similar situation. My job is just plain easy so i can spread my work out and do before and after xD
GO KPOP!
Funny, I'm in a similar position myself. My boss is really chill about it as well, but when it's busy I don't get to watch.
Where did all the students go ? Are we only working people watching the GSL nowadays ? Are we becoming an old bunch ?
Well, I have to work 9 months before I can start studying. Either social work or military service, I chose social work. So don't worry, not everybody is 60 like Shellshock. Least I'm assuming he's that old or his post count would be nonsensical.
You don't buy the Shellbot theory?
I hope he isn't, otherwise you might all receive "U MAD ESF FANBOY" titled PMs soon
On June 06 2013 17:56 DarkLordOlli wrote: I have no sound but I'm still watching the Kpop.
Thats me everyday too. Watching at work as well? xD
Yeah. I got really lucky at work since most days are really slow until like 2pm which is perfect for watching korean starcraft :D
Nice! Yeah i have similar situation. My job is just plain easy so i can spread my work out and do before and after xD
GO KPOP!
Funny, I'm in a similar position myself. My boss is really chill about it as well, but when it's busy I don't get to watch.
Where did all the students go ? Are we only working people watching the GSL nowadays ? Are we becoming an old bunch ?
Well, I have to work 9 months before I can start studying. Either social work or military service, I chose social work. So don't worry, not everybody is 60 like Shellshock. Least I'm assuming he's that old or his post count would be nonsensical.
My birthday was March 18, 2011
So you mean I created an account 1 day after you ? You're so old dude
On June 06 2013 18:17 Koshi wrote: FishSticks. I loved them when I was little, but lately I made some for myself and after 12 I still felt I didn't eat properly.
^^ normaly you eat like 3-5 fishsticks with potatos and spinach ... hmmmmm
On June 06 2013 18:17 Koshi wrote: FishSticks. I loved them when I was little, but lately I made some for myself and after 12 I still felt I didn't eat properly.
^^ normaly you eat like 3-5 fishsticks with potatos and spinach ... hmmmmm
I don't know if your fishsticks are as small as they are over here, but I eat at least half a pack of the Iglo ones. That would be at least 6 then ^.^
Also fits really well to potatoes with self-made mustard sauce
Edit: and now I am really hungry for fish-sticks.... goddamnit
0:00 Curious spawns in the top left ParalyzE spawns in the bottom right
2:00 pool first for Curious Nexus first for ParalyzE forge for ParalyzE hatch for Curious
3:00 gateway for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze 3rd base for Curious
4:00 cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze
5;00 mothership core for Paralyze stalker for Paralyze +1 attack for Paralyze
6:00 double gas for Curious mothership core moving across the map with the zealot and stalker lings and a queen are able to push back the forces of paralyze
7:00 3 more gates for Paralyze 3 more gateways for Paralyze hidden by where his 3rd should be but an overlord sees the edge of 1 of them 2 more gas for Curious
8:00 Lair for Curious 3 stalkers and mothership core pressuring at the 3rd forward pylon going down for Paralyze evo chamber on the way for Curious ling speed for Curious timewarp on the lings warp ins started for Paralyze at the 3rd of Curious
9:00 timewarp on the queens as they try to run towards the natural all the queens are killed roaches started for Curious zealots targeting down the 3rd of Curious drones are pulled to try and stop the zealots but zealots just start kiling the drones robo for Paralyze Paralyze takes a supply lead
10:00 Roach speed for Curious Paralyze pushing into the natural of Curious drones in the natural are pulled to help defend mothership core is killed by a queen evo chamber is killed a closer pylon finishes Paralyze up by 10 workers
On June 06 2013 18:17 Koshi wrote: FishSticks. I loved them when I was little, but lately I made some for myself and after 12 I still felt I didn't eat properly.
^^ normaly you eat like 3-5 fishsticks with potatos and spinach ... hmmmmm
I don't know if your fishsticks are as small as they are over here, but I eat at least half a pack of the Iglo ones. That would be at least 6 then ^.^
Also fits really well to potatoes with self-made mustard sauce
Edit: and now I am really hungry for fish-sticks.... goddamnit
They are indeed supersmall. I started with 6, but ended up baking up the entire pack. And I was still meh, I could eat another pack.
0:00 Curious spawns in the top left ParalyzE spawns in the bottom right
2:00 pool first for Curious Nexus first for ParalyzE forge for ParalyzE hatch for Curious
3:00 gateway for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze 3rd base for Curious
4:00 cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze
5;00 mothership core for Paralyze stalker for Paralyze +1 attack for Paralyze
6:00 double gas for Curious mothership core moving across the map with the zealot and stalker lings and a queen are able to push back the forces of paralyze
7:00 3 more gates for Paralyze 3 more gateways for Paralyze hidden by where his 3rd should be but an overlord sees the edge of 1 of them 2 more gas for Curious
8:00 Lair for Curious 3 stalkers and mothership core pressuring at the 3rd forward pylon going down for Paralyze evo chamber on the way for Curious ling speed for Curious timewarp on the lings warp ins started for Paralyze at the 3rd of Curious
9:00 timewarp on the queens as they try to run towards the natural all the queens are killed roaches started for Curious zealots targeting down the 3rd of Curious drones are pulled to try and stop the zealots but zealots just start kiling the drones robo for Paralyze Paralyze takes a supply lead
10:00 Roach speed for Curious Paralyze pushing into the natural of Curious drones in the natural are pulled to help defend mothership core is killed by a queen evo chamber is killed a closer pylon finishes Paralyze up by 10 workers
11:00 immortal started by Paralyze Paralyze kiting back ling speed finishes and the stalkers kind of get surrounded but they kill the lings and break free +1 armor for Paralyze
12:00 more and more roaches coming out drones are still fighting with the army more immortals coming out for Paralyze Curious pushes Paralyze back to the pylon 3 immortals out now but just waiting at the natural Paralyze 20 workers ahead
13:00 warp prism for Paralyze Paralyze 10 supply ahead curious still trying to fight at the pylon of Paralyze but can't quite fight him off
14:00 immortals moving across the map as the warp prism finishes Paralyze warps in some sentries to prepare for the last fight Paralyze attacks into the natural with his immortals forcefields trap the roaches all the roaches dying to immortals Curious ggs! ParalyzE wins!
On June 06 2013 18:17 Koshi wrote: FishSticks. I loved them when I was little, but lately I made some for myself and after 12 I still felt I didn't eat properly.
^^ normaly you eat like 3-5 fishsticks with potatos and spinach ... hmmmmm
I don't know if your fishsticks are as small as they are over here, but I eat at least half a pack of the Iglo ones. That would be at least 6 then ^.^
Also fits really well to potatoes with self-made mustard sauce
Edit: and now I am really hungry for fish-sticks.... goddamnit
as we both are german i would guess so ^^ vs your hunger the potatos help, its more the taste ^^ but sure as kid i liked eat more too xDD
ps: great first game he rly had some fishsticks for sure to be that good
In Northern England they have "Fish Finger" sandwiches xD I had one the other day for the first time ever and they are stupidly nice on a sandwich for a snack
On June 06 2013 18:30 Evil_Sheep wrote: Wtf I thought Curious turned a corner when he annihilated Parting 3-0 to reach the semifinals. Guess that was just a freak result.
It's just a bo1 though, you can't tell a lot from that.
On June 06 2013 18:09 Pandemona wrote: Ahaha Well the age poll thread said most people were 21-22 (my age is 22) but i've been working for a while. And most people be finishing Uni by that age xD
In Northern England they have "Fish Finger" sandwiches xD I had one the other day for the first time ever and they are stupidly nice on a sandwich for a snack
These words are not usually found in the same sentence
On June 06 2013 18:30 Evil_Sheep wrote: Wtf I thought Curious turned a corner when he annihilated Parting 3-0 to reach the semifinals. Guess that was just a freak result.
bo1 is bo1 thats why some bo1 (not always) are so amazing because some amazing strategies
0:00 Super spawns in the top left ByuN spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Super rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN
2:00 gas for Super 2nd gas for Super reaper for ByuN Cybernetics core for Super
3:00 zealot for Super CC on the high ground for ByuN reactor for ByuN mothership core for Super Nexus for Super
4:00 reaper scouts the nexus and then moves into the main mothership core chases the reaper away factory for ByuN stalker for Super Robo for Super 2nd stalker for Super
5:00 widow mine started for ByuN Starport for ByuN observer for Super
On June 06 2013 18:30 Evil_Sheep wrote: Wtf I thought Curious turned a corner when he annihilated Parting 3-0 to reach the semifinals. Guess that was just a freak result.
1. That was WoL... 2. Curious was PartinG's main PvZ practice partner when he was on StarTale...
In Northern England they have "Fish Finger" sandwiches xD I had one the other day for the first time ever and they are stupidly nice on a sandwich for a snack
These words are not usually found in the same sentence
I've been thinking about this fast third that's cropped up. Seems like some of the Parting/Squirtle Nexus builds in PvT might be even better in Hots than in WoL. You're safe until about 10 minutes or so, before that the nexus cannon should be able to hold most attacks. So squeezing in an early third seems conceivable.
In Northern England they have "Fish Finger" sandwiches xD I had one the other day for the first time ever and they are stupidly nice on a sandwich for a snack
These words are not usually found in the same sentence
LOL. Why not we has nice snacks :3
I'll never forget when my friends and I were visiting Edinburgh (not England I know) and we asked locals for a good, well known restaurant. 80% of people told us to go to Jimmy Chung's. I must say that it was indeed a great asian restaurant.
In Northern England they have "Fish Finger" sandwiches xD I had one the other day for the first time ever and they are stupidly nice on a sandwich for a snack
These words are not usually found in the same sentence
LOL. Why not we has nice snacks :3
I'll never forget when my friends and I were visiting Edinburgh (not England I know) and we asked locals for a good, well known restaurant. 80% of people told us to go to Jimmy Chung's. I must say that it was indeed a great asian restaurant.
FUCKING LOL Oh well, scots xD so pro. Would of been hilarious though if they said the local chip shop and introduced you to Battered Mars Bars ^_^
On June 06 2013 18:15 Ysellian wrote: Wow, I'm older than you guys (24) (except for Shellshock)
you're old as fuck bro. i just hit 23 like 2 weeks ago
I've been playing since vanilla so I'll just let you guys guess how old I am
I remember when I got the sc1 vanilla demo with my Pcgamer magazine TT
I remember buying all the game magazines trying to find the naked Lara cheat code in Tomb Raider
Oh those were the days, fantasizing about blurry hexagonal boobs. You guys have it easy now, no imagination necessary
I miss the old tomb raiders Where you would swim in a certain way to see her butt or hang off walls.
I did that because the game was too insanely hard for me to make any progress. I think that was the first game. I also had a crush on Tanya in Red alert 1.
0:00 Super spawns in the top left ByuN spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Super rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN
2:00 gas for Super 2nd gas for Super reaper for ByuN Cybernetics core for Super
3:00 zealot for Super CC on the high ground for ByuN reactor for ByuN mothership core for Super Nexus for Super
4:00 reaper scouts the nexus and then moves into the main mothership core chases the reaper away factory for ByuN stalker for Super Robo for Super 2nd stalker for Super
5:00 widow mine started for ByuN Starport for ByuN observer for Super
6:00 2nd observer for Super reaper scouts the main again but is killed off marines looking to pressure at the front of super's base 3rd base for Super
7:00 51 vs 50 2 more gas for Super Robo bay for Super 2 more rax on the way for ByuN observer of Super is killed at the natural ramp 2 more gates for Super ebay for ByuN ByuN scouts the 3rd of Super forge for Super
8:00 59 vs 56 marine widow mine drop in the main of Super is defended with a photon overcharge warp prism for Super +1 attack started for ByuN stim research started for ByuN 2nd forge for Super twilight council for Super Colossus production started for Super +1 armor for Super
9:00 76 vs 70 +1 attack started for Super Super putting up cannons in his mineral lines Marauders coming out for ByuN marines pressuring at the 3rd of Super marine widow mine drop in the main cannon blocks stalkers and they cant kit the marines drop moves to the natural
10:00 78 vs 78 2 more rax for ByuN Colossus forces a lift on the drop 4 probes have been killed 3rd CC half way done for ByuN stalkers chase the drop away from the main 2 more gates for Super drop in the natural killing some more probes 12 probes are dead now
On June 06 2013 18:30 Evil_Sheep wrote: Wtf I thought Curious turned a corner when he annihilated Parting 3-0 to reach the semifinals. Guess that was just a freak result.
1. That was WoL... 2. Curious was PartinG's main PvZ practice partner when he was on StarTale...
Exactly. He was starting to have me convinced for a while there though...
On June 06 2013 18:15 Ysellian wrote: Wow, I'm older than you guys (24) (except for Shellshock)
you're old as fuck bro. i just hit 23 like 2 weeks ago
I've been playing since vanilla so I'll just let you guys guess how old I am
I remember when I got the sc1 vanilla demo with my Pcgamer magazine TT
I remember buying all the game magazines trying to find the naked Lara cheat code in Tomb Raider
Oh those were the days, fantasizing about blurry hexagonal boobs. You guys have it easy now, no imagination necessary
I miss the old tomb raiders Where you would swim in a certain way to see her butt or hang off walls.
I did that because the game was too insanely hard for me to make any progress. I think that was the first game. I also had a crush on Tanya in Red alert 1.
0:00 Super spawns in the top left ByuN spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Super rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN
2:00 gas for Super 2nd gas for Super reaper for ByuN Cybernetics core for Super
3:00 zealot for Super CC on the high ground for ByuN reactor for ByuN mothership core for Super Nexus for Super
4:00 reaper scouts the nexus and then moves into the main mothership core chases the reaper away factory for ByuN stalker for Super Robo for Super 2nd stalker for Super
5:00 widow mine started for ByuN Starport for ByuN observer for Super
6:00 2nd observer for Super reaper scouts the main again but is killed off marines looking to pressure at the front of super's base 3rd base for Super
7:00 51 vs 50 2 more gas for Super Robo bay for Super 2 more rax on the way for ByuN observer of Super is killed at the natural ramp 2 more gates for Super ebay for ByuN ByuN scouts the 3rd of Super forge for Super
8:00 59 vs 56 marine widow mine drop in the main of Super is defended with a photon overcharge warp prism for Super +1 attack started for ByuN stim research started for ByuN 2nd forge for Super twilight council for Super Colossus production started for Super +1 armor for Super
9:00 76 vs 70 +1 attack started for Super Super putting up cannons in his mineral lines Marauders coming out for ByuN marines pressuring at the 3rd of Super marine widow mine drop in the main cannon blocks stalkers and they cant kit the marines drop moves to the natural
10:00 78 vs 78 2 more rax for ByuN Colossus forces a lift on the drop 4 probes have been killed 3rd CC half way done for ByuN stalkers chase the drop away from the main 2 more gates for Super drop in the natural killing some more probes 12 probes are dead now
11:00 94 vs 94 armory for ByuN 2nd ebay for ByuN concussive shells for ByuN combat shields for ByuN +1 armor for ByuN +2 armor for Super charge research for Super ByuN pressuring at the front again a 2nd colossus comes out and ByuN has to back up
12:00 110 vs 111 ByuN breaking down the rocks to his 3rd +2 attack started for ByuN +2 attack started for Super 2nd starport for ByuN 3 more gates for Super +1 ship weapons for ByuN
13:00 120 vs 130 viking production started for ByuN templar archives for Super 5 gates building for Super double drop of ByuN spotted by an observer Stalkers move to the main to defend against the drop ByuN is able to escape quadruple viking production for ByuN
14:00 135 vs 145 3 more gates for Super (going up to 12) 3 more rax for ByuN archons being added in for Super Super moving across the map ghost academy started for ByuN 2-2 finishes for Super
15:00 165 vs 174 Super starts moving up the natural ramp of ByuN ByuN's army was near his 3rd vikings kill the colossi some scvs are pulled in the natural ByuN retreats into his 3rd base scvs at the 3rd are pulled but there are a bunch of archons still reinforcement zealots stream in
0:00 Super spawns in the top left ByuN spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Super rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN
2:00 gas for Super 2nd gas for Super reaper for ByuN Cybernetics core for Super
3:00 zealot for Super CC on the high ground for ByuN reactor for ByuN mothership core for Super Nexus for Super
4:00 reaper scouts the nexus and then moves into the main mothership core chases the reaper away factory for ByuN stalker for Super Robo for Super 2nd stalker for Super
5:00 widow mine started for ByuN Starport for ByuN observer for Super
6:00 2nd observer for Super reaper scouts the main again but is killed off marines looking to pressure at the front of super's base 3rd base for Super
7:00 51 vs 50 2 more gas for Super Robo bay for Super 2 more rax on the way for ByuN observer of Super is killed at the natural ramp 2 more gates for Super ebay for ByuN ByuN scouts the 3rd of Super forge for Super
8:00 59 vs 56 marine widow mine drop in the main of Super is defended with a photon overcharge warp prism for Super +1 attack started for ByuN stim research started for ByuN 2nd forge for Super twilight council for Super Colossus production started for Super +1 armor for Super
9:00 76 vs 70 +1 attack started for Super Super putting up cannons in his mineral lines Marauders coming out for ByuN marines pressuring at the 3rd of Super marine widow mine drop in the main cannon blocks stalkers and they cant kit the marines drop moves to the natural
10:00 78 vs 78 2 more rax for ByuN Colossus forces a lift on the drop 4 probes have been killed 3rd CC half way done for ByuN stalkers chase the drop away from the main 2 more gates for Super drop in the natural killing some more probes 12 probes are dead now
11:00 94 vs 94 armory for ByuN 2nd ebay for ByuN concussive shells for ByuN combat shields for ByuN +1 armor for ByuN +2 armor for Super charge research for Super ByuN pressuring at the front again a 2nd colossus comes out and ByuN has to back up
12:00 110 vs 111 ByuN breaking down the rocks to his 3rd +2 attack started for ByuN +2 attack started for Super 2nd starport for ByuN 3 more gates for Super +1 ship weapons for ByuN
13:00 120 vs 130 viking production started for ByuN templar archives for Super 5 gates building for Super double drop of ByuN spotted by an observer Stalkers move to the main to defend against the drop ByuN is able to escape quadruple viking production for ByuN
14:00 135 vs 145 3 more gates for Super (going up to 12) 3 more rax for ByuN archons being added in for Super Super moving across the map ghost academy started for ByuN 2-2 finishes for Super
15:00 165 vs 174 Super starts moving up the natural ramp of ByuN ByuN's army was near his 3rd vikings kill the colossi some scvs are pulled in the natural ByuN retreats into his 3rd base scvs at the 3rd are pulled but there are a bunch of archons still reinforcement zealots stream in
16:00 115 vs 75 ByuN's army is cleaned up ByuN ggs! Super wins the game!
On June 06 2013 18:15 Ysellian wrote: Wow, I'm older than you guys (24) (except for Shellshock)
you're old as fuck bro. i just hit 23 like 2 weeks ago
I've been playing since vanilla so I'll just let you guys guess how old I am
I remember when I got the sc1 vanilla demo with my Pcgamer magazine TT
I remember buying all the game magazines trying to find the naked Lara cheat code in Tomb Raider
Oh those were the days, fantasizing about blurry hexagonal boobs. You guys have it easy now, no imagination necessary
Back then the perceptible graphic were as good as top end game nowadays if not better, its the matter of relativity. I was more amazed by Homeworld or Sacriface than with Far Cry.
I also remember using that cheat code
And i remember replaying starcraft demo non-stop i bought the original like months later, it was karrigan mission and the one in building.
In Northern England they have "Fish Finger" sandwiches xD I had one the other day for the first time ever and they are stupidly nice on a sandwich for a snack
These words are not usually found in the same sentence
LOL. Why not we has nice snacks :3
I'll never forget when my friends and I were visiting Edinburgh (not England I know) and we asked locals for a good, well known restaurant. 80% of people told us to go to Jimmy Chung's. I must say that it was indeed a great asian restaurant.
FUCKING LOL Oh well, scots xD so pro. Would of been hilarious though if they said the local chip shop and introduced you to Battered Mars Bars ^_^
Oh god I'll never forget those. We were stuck in some village near Perth and starving to death so we had to find a place to eat. No problem right? Wrong. Every place had fish and chips and deep fried mars but its reputation kept us away as long as we could resist. We did give in though.
McDonald's has never tasted better than later that day
Man da fuck was that. Stupidly aggressive expands by the 'toss, yet Byun who opened up 1-1-1 mine drop, still couldn't abuse the fact that Super went for fast 3 base with relative no army :S quite crazy really
On June 06 2013 18:39 sitromit wrote: Wow, such greedy play and it didn't even look like Super was ever in any danger at all, even though the 3rd immediately got scouted.
On June 06 2013 18:15 Ysellian wrote: Wow, I'm older than you guys (24) (except for Shellshock)
you're old as fuck bro. i just hit 23 like 2 weeks ago
I've been playing since vanilla so I'll just let you guys guess how old I am
I remember when I got the sc1 vanilla demo with my Pcgamer magazine TT
I remember buying all the game magazines trying to find the naked Lara cheat code in Tomb Raider
Oh those were the days, fantasizing about blurry hexagonal boobs. You guys have it easy now, no imagination necessary
I miss the old tomb raiders Where you would swim in a certain way to see her butt or hang off walls.
I did that because the game was too insanely hard for me to make any progress. I think that was the first game. I also had a crush on Tanya in Red alert 1.
One of my favorite characters in games was Precis from Star Ocean 2
0:00 Curious spawns in the bottom right EffOrt spawns in the bottom left
2:00 hatch first for both players pool for both players gas for EffOrt
3:00 queens and drones; 2 scouting lings each
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt baneling nest for EffOrt double gas for Curious spine in the natural for Curious spine in the natural for EffOrt
5:00 ling speed started for Curious 2nd gas for EffOrt
6:00 double evo for Curious at the natural choke Roach warren for Curious Lair for EffOrt evo for EffOrt
7:00 C 56 vs E 47 3rd base for EffOrt 2nd evo for EffOrt another gas for Curious lings started for Curious 1-1 roach upgrades for Curious 2 more gas for EffOrt EffOrt sees the lings moving across the map 1-1 roach upgrades started for EffOrt
8:00 C 63 vs E 58 Curious runs some lings into a baneling trying to run into the main Curious kills the building 3rd of EffOrt lings in the natural of EffOrt get surrounded and killed Roach warren finishing up for EffOrt
9:00 C 75 vs E 64 ling runby into the main of EffOrt Roach speed for EffOrt 3rd base for Curious Roaches started for both players
10:00 C 89 vs E 86 ling runby from EffOrt is denied by a roach wall Roach speed started for Curious +2 range attack started for Curious 3rd base for EffOrt +2 carapace for Curious Hydralisk den for EffOrt
0:00 Curious spawns in the bottom right EffOrt spawns in the bottom left
2:00 hatch first for both players pool for both players gas for EffOrt
3:00 queens and drones; 2 scouting lings each
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt baneling nest for EffOrt double gas for Curious spine in the natural for Curious spine in the natural for EffOrt
5:00 ling speed started for Curious 2nd gas for EffOrt
6:00 double evo for Curious at the natural choke Roach warren for Curious Lair for EffOrt evo for EffOrt
7:00 C 56 vs E 47 3rd base for EffOrt 2nd evo for EffOrt another gas for Curious lings started for Curious 1-1 roach upgrades for Curious 2 more gas for EffOrt EffOrt sees the lings moving across the map 1-1 roach upgrades started for EffOrt
8:00 C 63 vs E 58 Curious runs some lings into a baneling trying to run into the main Curious kills the building 3rd of EffOrt lings in the natural of EffOrt get surrounded and killed Roach warren finishing up for EffOrt
9:00 C 75 vs E 64 ling runby into the main of EffOrt Roach speed for EffOrt 3rd base for Curious Roaches started for both players
10:00 C 89 vs E 86 ling runby from EffOrt is denied by a roach wall Roach speed started for Curious +2 range attack started for Curious 3rd base for EffOrt +2 carapace for Curious Hydralisk den for EffOrt
11:00 C 114 vs E 102 3rd base is done now for Curious EffOrt sending his roaches to the natural of Curious EffOrt targets down an evo chamber as Curious is out of position +2 range attack is stopped
12:00 C 132 vs E 123 ling runby to the 3rd of Curious kills the queen Hydra range for EffOrt +2 range attack started for EffOrt EffOrt attacking into the natural again Curious has more roaches and EffOrt is forced back
13:00 C 157 vs E 108 Curious chasing EffOrt back across the map Curious just pumping out more and more roaches Curious attacks into the natural of EffOrt spine is killed right away drones in the natural are killed EffOrt dropping way down in supply
14:00 C 160 vs E 75 EffOrt loses everything EffOrt ggs! Curious wins and improves to 1-1!
On June 06 2013 18:48 DrPandaPhD wrote: These colours are annoying T_T
I'm slightly disappointed that no tournament is using a mod to make Roach and Baneling colors more visible. Doesn't need to be like the Stronger Team Color Mod, that would be too much I think. But just slightly improve some visibility would be nice.
It's not even that hard to tell what belongs to which player but it would be a better spectator experience if it was always visible at first glance
On June 06 2013 18:52 Elroi wrote: wth effort?? playing lika scrub all of a sudden. I also hate the new zvz. it was so much cooler with the muta wars.
Idd. I hope Blizz remove the spore crawler buff and replace it with the baneling launcher upgrade featured on reddit. The upgrade can be hive tech, so you first have the ling/bane wars, then muta positioning and than baneling bombing.
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top right ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN gateway for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze reaper for ByuN Nexus for Super
3:00 CC for ByuN on the high ground reactor for ByuN reaper kills the probe scout of Paralyze before it reaches his base
4:00 mothership core for Paralyze stalker for Paralyze scv scout sees the nexus of Paralyze ebay for ByuN 2nd gas for Paralyze reaper tries to move into the main but is denied by the mothership core
5:00 +1 attack started for ByuN 2nd rax for ByuN Robo for Paralyze reaper jumps into the main avoiding the stalker and MSC ByuN scouts everything 3rd rax for ByuN
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top right ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN gateway for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze reaper for ByuN Nexus for Super
3:00 CC for ByuN on the high ground reactor for ByuN reaper kills the probe scout of Paralyze before it reaches his base
4:00 mothership core for Paralyze stalker for Paralyze scv scout sees the nexus of Paralyze ebay for ByuN 2nd gas for Paralyze reaper tries to move into the main but is denied by the mothership core
5:00 +1 attack started for ByuN 2nd rax for ByuN Robo for Paralyze reaper jumps into the main avoiding the stalker and MSC ByuN scouts everything 3rd rax for ByuN
6:00 reaper is killed off forge for Paralyze stim research started for ByuN 2nd gas for ByuN observer for Paralyze 2 more gas for Paralyze Factory for ByuN 2 more gates for Paralyze stalker kiting marines across the map
7:00 46 vs 48 +1 armor for Paralyze Byun checks for a 3rd and sees there isn't one yet Starport for ByuN ByuN moving into the natural of Paralyze with his marines photon overcharge on the nexus
8:00 58 vs 58 +1 armor for ByuN Robo bay for Paralyze ByuN retreats back across the map with his marines twilight council for Paralyze observer killed in the middle of the map
9:00 76 vs 72 medivacs started for ByuN combat shields for ByN ByuN scans the main of Paralyze and sees all of his tech +1 attack for Paralyze colossus started for Paralyze 3 more gates for Paralyze blink research started for Paraylze 3rd CC for ByuN
10:00 94 vs 91 Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze ByuN checks for a 3rd of Paralyze ByuN moves into the natural of Paralyze but a colossus is out forcefields trap some units and ByuN has to back off
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top right ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN gateway for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze reaper for ByuN Nexus for Super
3:00 CC for ByuN on the high ground reactor for ByuN reaper kills the probe scout of Paralyze before it reaches his base
4:00 mothership core for Paralyze stalker for Paralyze scv scout sees the nexus of Paralyze ebay for ByuN 2nd gas for Paralyze reaper tries to move into the main but is denied by the mothership core
5:00 +1 attack started for ByuN 2nd rax for ByuN Robo for Paralyze reaper jumps into the main avoiding the stalker and MSC ByuN scouts everything 3rd rax for ByuN
6:00 reaper is killed off forge for Paralyze stim research started for ByuN 2nd gas for ByuN observer for Paralyze 2 more gas for Paralyze Factory for ByuN 2 more gates for Paralyze stalker kiting marines across the map
7:00 46 vs 48 +1 armor for Paralyze Byun checks for a 3rd and sees there isn't one yet Starport for ByuN ByuN moving into the natural of Paralyze with his marines photon overcharge on the nexus
8:00 58 vs 58 +1 armor for ByuN Robo bay for Paralyze ByuN retreats back across the map with his marines twilight council for Paralyze observer killed in the middle of the map
9:00 76 vs 72 medivacs started for ByuN combat shields for ByN ByuN scans the main of Paralyze and sees all of his tech +1 attack for Paralyze colossus started for Paralyze 3 more gates for Paralyze blink research started for Paraylze 3rd CC for ByuN
10:00 94 vs 91 Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze ByuN checks for a 3rd of Paralyze ByuN moves into the natural of Paralyze but a colossus is out forcefields trap some units and ByuN has to back off
11:00 110 vs 106 double drop in the main of Paralyze ByuN trying to pressure at the front and is denied double drop in the main again vikings started for ByuN
12:00 120 vs 113 Paralyze chases the drop out of his main +2 attack started for Paralyze 2nd forge for Paralyze 3rd base for Paralyze zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN but there are no scvs there charge research for Paralyze 2 more gates for Paralyze +2 armor for Paralyze
13:00 142 vs 119 armory for ByuN ByuN killing pylons around the map 2nd starport for ByuN
14:00 163 vs 140 Templar archives for Paralyze 2 more rax for ByuN 2-2 started for ByuN very late compared to Paralyze
15:00 176 vs 168 ByuN looks to pressure at the 3rd of Paralyze but Paralyze is in position to defend +1 ship weapons for ByuN ghost academy for ByuN quadruple viking production for ByuN 3-3 started for Paralyze
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top right ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN gateway for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze reaper for ByuN Nexus for Super
3:00 CC for ByuN on the high ground reactor for ByuN reaper kills the probe scout of Paralyze before it reaches his base
4:00 mothership core for Paralyze stalker for Paralyze scv scout sees the nexus of Paralyze ebay for ByuN 2nd gas for Paralyze reaper tries to move into the main but is denied by the mothership core
5:00 +1 attack started for ByuN 2nd rax for ByuN Robo for Paralyze reaper jumps into the main avoiding the stalker and MSC ByuN scouts everything 3rd rax for ByuN
6:00 reaper is killed off forge for Paralyze stim research started for ByuN 2nd gas for ByuN observer for Paralyze 2 more gas for Paralyze Factory for ByuN 2 more gates for Paralyze stalker kiting marines across the map
7:00 46 vs 48 +1 armor for Paralyze Byun checks for a 3rd and sees there isn't one yet Starport for ByuN ByuN moving into the natural of Paralyze with his marines photon overcharge on the nexus
8:00 58 vs 58 +1 armor for ByuN Robo bay for Paralyze ByuN retreats back across the map with his marines twilight council for Paralyze observer killed in the middle of the map
9:00 76 vs 72 medivacs started for ByuN combat shields for ByN ByuN scans the main of Paralyze and sees all of his tech +1 attack for Paralyze colossus started for Paralyze 3 more gates for Paralyze blink research started for Paraylze 3rd CC for ByuN
10:00 94 vs 91 Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze ByuN checks for a 3rd of Paralyze ByuN moves into the natural of Paralyze but a colossus is out forcefields trap some units and ByuN has to back off
11:00 110 vs 106 double drop in the main of Paralyze ByuN trying to pressure at the front and is denied double drop in the main again vikings started for ByuN
12:00 120 vs 113 Paralyze chases the drop out of his main +2 attack started for Paralyze 2nd forge for Paralyze 3rd base for Paralyze zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN but there are no scvs there charge research for Paralyze 2 more gates for Paralyze +2 armor for Paralyze
13:00 142 vs 119 armory for ByuN ByuN killing pylons around the map 2nd starport for ByuN
14:00 163 vs 140 Templar archives for Paralyze 2 more rax for ByuN 2-2 started for ByuN very late compared to Paralyze
15:00 176 vs 168 ByuN looks to pressure at the 3rd of Paralyze but Paralyze is in position to defend +1 ship weapons for ByuN ghost academy for ByuN quadruple viking production for ByuN 3-3 started for Paralyze
16:00 193 vs 191 moebius reactor for ByuN ByuN moving across the map again 5 colossi out for Paralyze, 3 archons 12 vikings for ByuN zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN
17:00 190 vs 200 a couple of scvs die at the 3rd of ByuN ghosts started for ByuN storm research started for Paralyze Paralyze moving out on the map as ByuN heads home to kill the zealots 4th base for Paralyze +2 ship weapons for ByuN
18:00 200 vs 200 18 vikings out for ByuN ByuN coming out to meet the army of Paralyze emp hits the army of Paralyze mothership core and 4 coossi are killed 4th CC lands for ByuN zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN zealot runby to the 4th of ByuN
19:00 195 vs 175 ByuN moving across the map and engages again the last colossus dies and the vikings land byuN kiting back against the chargelots zealots still killing scvs at the 3rd 4th base of ByuN is killed +1 plasma shields for Paralyze warp prism speed for Paralyze
20:00 147 vs 139 +3 attack started for ByuN zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN Paralyze rebuilding his colossi ByuN cleans up the zealots at his 3rd warp prism for Paralyze ByuN rebuilding vikings
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top right ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left
1:40 rax first for ByuN gas for ByuN gateway for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze reaper for ByuN Nexus for Super
3:00 CC for ByuN on the high ground reactor for ByuN reaper kills the probe scout of Paralyze before it reaches his base
4:00 mothership core for Paralyze stalker for Paralyze scv scout sees the nexus of Paralyze ebay for ByuN 2nd gas for Paralyze reaper tries to move into the main but is denied by the mothership core
5:00 +1 attack started for ByuN 2nd rax for ByuN Robo for Paralyze reaper jumps into the main avoiding the stalker and MSC ByuN scouts everything 3rd rax for ByuN
6:00 reaper is killed off forge for Paralyze stim research started for ByuN 2nd gas for ByuN observer for Paralyze 2 more gas for Paralyze Factory for ByuN 2 more gates for Paralyze stalker kiting marines across the map
7:00 46 vs 48 +1 armor for Paralyze Byun checks for a 3rd and sees there isn't one yet Starport for ByuN ByuN moving into the natural of Paralyze with his marines photon overcharge on the nexus
8:00 58 vs 58 +1 armor for ByuN Robo bay for Paralyze ByuN retreats back across the map with his marines twilight council for Paralyze observer killed in the middle of the map
9:00 76 vs 72 medivacs started for ByuN combat shields for ByN ByuN scans the main of Paralyze and sees all of his tech +1 attack for Paralyze colossus started for Paralyze 3 more gates for Paralyze blink research started for Paraylze 3rd CC for ByuN
10:00 94 vs 91 Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze ByuN checks for a 3rd of Paralyze ByuN moves into the natural of Paralyze but a colossus is out forcefields trap some units and ByuN has to back off
11:00 110 vs 106 double drop in the main of Paralyze ByuN trying to pressure at the front and is denied double drop in the main again vikings started for ByuN
12:00 120 vs 113 Paralyze chases the drop out of his main +2 attack started for Paralyze 2nd forge for Paralyze 3rd base for Paralyze zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN but there are no scvs there charge research for Paralyze 2 more gates for Paralyze +2 armor for Paralyze
13:00 142 vs 119 armory for ByuN ByuN killing pylons around the map 2nd starport for ByuN
14:00 163 vs 140 Templar archives for Paralyze 2 more rax for ByuN 2-2 started for ByuN very late compared to Paralyze
15:00 176 vs 168 ByuN looks to pressure at the 3rd of Paralyze but Paralyze is in position to defend +1 ship weapons for ByuN ghost academy for ByuN quadruple viking production for ByuN 3-3 started for Paralyze
16:00 193 vs 191 moebius reactor for ByuN ByuN moving across the map again 5 colossi out for Paralyze, 3 archons 12 vikings for ByuN zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN
17:00 190 vs 200 a couple of scvs die at the 3rd of ByuN ghosts started for ByuN storm research started for Paralyze Paralyze moving out on the map as ByuN heads home to kill the zealots 4th base for Paralyze +2 ship weapons for ByuN
18:00 200 vs 200 18 vikings out for ByuN ByuN coming out to meet the army of Paralyze emp hits the army of Paralyze mothership core and 4 coossi are killed 4th CC lands for ByuN zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN zealot runby to the 4th of ByuN
19:00 195 vs 175 ByuN moving across the map and engages again the last colossus dies and the vikings land byuN kiting back against the chargelots zealots still killing scvs at the 3rd 4th base of ByuN is killed +1 plasma shields for Paralyze warp prism speed for Paralyze
20:00 147 vs 139 +3 attack started for ByuN zealot runby to the 3rd of ByuN Paralyze rebuilding his colossi ByuN cleans up the zealots at his 3rd warp prism for Paralyze ByuN rebuilding vikings
21:00 183 vs 173 Paralyze pushes into the 3rd of ByuN and kills a bunch of ghosts right away Paralyze retreats as the army of ByuN moves over double colossus production for ByuN
22:00 182 vs 194 ByuN pulling his scvs storms zone ByuN away ByuN is basically broke Paralyze has a decent bank Storm hits the scvs Paralyze has some HTs waiting to flank
23:00 173 vs 200 Ghosts snipe a bunch of HTs Ht flank comes for Paralyze the storm hits but all the HT die emp hits the army of Paralyze ByuN moving to attack the 4th
24:00 142 vs 183 photon overcharge on the 4th nexus armies engage the vikings are killed off with 2 colossi still alive ByuN is losing the rest of his army Paralyze 50 supply ahead ByuN ggs! ParalyzE wins and improves to 2-0!
Byun could have killed both the 3rd and the 4th and just move back. Instead, he pulled his whole army back to defend from a few zealots. Wtf? He dont deserve to advance.
On June 06 2013 19:20 weiliem wrote: Byun could have killed both the 3rd and the 4th and just move back. Instead, he pulled his whole army back to defend from a few zealots. Wtf? He dont deserve to advance.
and he lost his own 4th against 2 zealots. The pressure got to him, which is odd for someone as experienced as him.
On June 06 2013 19:28 Koshi wrote: Khaldor might be getting a bit tired. Kinda silly that Tastosis really only casts Code S.
they aren't joking when they say they have the best jobs in the world. i'm wondering what Tasteless does with all his free time, gotta be pretty awesome.
[Up/Down] Group D WCS KR S2 2013 Super (1-0) vs EffOrt (0-1) Map: Atlas
0:00 Super spawns in the bottom right EffOrt spawns in the bottom left
2:00 pool first for EffOrt Nexus first for Super Hatch for EffOrt forge for Super
3:00 gateway for Super cannon for Super 3rd base for EffOrt double gas for Super
4:00 Cybernetics core for Super
5:00 robo for Super 2 more gas for Super Overlord scouting everything double gas for EffOrt
6:00 mothership core for Super observer for Super immortal started for Super
7:00 Lair for EffOrt Roach warren for EffOrt Robo bay for Super 3 more gates for Super mothership core killing creep tumors with the first observer ling speed for EffOrt
8:00 58 vs 72 2nd immortal is out for Super Colossus production started for Super Super going up to 8 gates Extended thermal lance research for Super +1 attack started for Super Roach speed for EffOrt
9:00 67 vs 107 roaches coming out for EffOrt 2nd colossus started for Super EffOrt pumping out more lings and roaches evo chamber for EffOrt Spire for EffOrt
10:00 132 vs 95 Super breaking down the rocks on the way for EffOrt's base EffOrt going for a counter attack with his lings and roaches Super recalls his army back tot he natural Super doesnt recall all of his army Super loses all of the units that were left behind which were basically all of his sentries
[Up/Down] Group D WCS KR S2 2013 Super (1-0) vs EffOrt (0-1) Map: Atlas
0:00 Super spawns in the bottom right EffOrt spawns in the bottom left
2:00 pool first for EffOrt Nexus first for Super Hatch for EffOrt forge for Super
3:00 gateway for Super cannon for Super 3rd base for EffOrt double gas for Super
4:00 Cybernetics core for Super
5:00 robo for Super 2 more gas for Super Overlord scouting everything double gas for EffOrt
6:00 mothership core for Super observer for Super immortal started for Super
7:00 Lair for EffOrt Roach warren for EffOrt Robo bay for Super 3 more gates for Super mothership core killing creep tumors with the first observer ling speed for EffOrt
8:00 58 vs 72 2nd immortal is out for Super Colossus production started for Super Super going up to 8 gates Extended thermal lance research for Super +1 attack started for Super Roach speed for EffOrt
9:00 67 vs 107 roaches coming out for EffOrt 2nd colossus started for Super EffOrt pumping out more lings and roaches evo chamber for EffOrt Spire for EffOrt
10:00 132 vs 95 Super breaking down the rocks on the way for EffOrt's base EffOrt going for a counter attack with his lings and roaches Super recalls his army back tot he natural Super doesnt recall all of his army Super loses all of the units that were left behind which were basically all of his sentries
11:00 111 vs 140 Super starting to push out again with his army EffOrt flanking with a group of roaches Super surrounded and doesnt have the forcefields to block it
12:00 98 vs 145 both colossi fall to roaches stalkers and immoratls are able to kill off the roaches and start pushing forward +1 range attack finishes for EffOrt 3 spines at the top of the ramp EffOrt reengages the army a few roaches flank immortals are targeted down
13:00 80 vs 125 Super still trying to make the push work EffOrt just rallying in more lings and roaches Super ggs! EffOrt wins and improves to 1-1!
On June 06 2013 19:33 Bahajinbo wrote: Damn, great music choice when showing the players - some Arsis is always nice. :D And gg, the recall was game deciding.
couldn't believe my ears! some technical death metal fan is doing the music choices at gom (insert hugemetalfan.jpg joke)
On June 06 2013 19:33 Bahajinbo wrote: Damn, great music choice when showing the players - some Arsis is always nice. :D And gg, the recall was game deciding.
On June 06 2013 19:42 NicksonReyes wrote: Just tuning in. How the fuck did Afrotoss 2-0!? Not that I have a problem with a little afro in OSL
He tricked Curious into thinking he was going for a fast 3rd and all inned him. then byun played so bad that he just took him down in a macro game without too much effort
0:00 ByuN spawns in the bottom left Curious spawns in the top right
2:00 hatch first for Curious CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scout kills the scv building the CC of ByuN pool for Curious rax for ByuN
3:00 gas for ByuN drone scouts the whole main of ByuN 6 lings started for Curious
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for Byun
5:00 double gas for Curious 2nd gas for ByuN overlord scouts the main reactored hellion production started for ByuN tech lab for ByuN
6:00 armory for ByuN ling speed for Curious Starport for ByuN 3rd base for Curious
7:00 hellbats for ByuN stim research for ByuN baneling nest for Curious 3rd CC for ByuN double evo for Curious
8:00 69 vs 62 1-1 ling upgrades started for Curious double ebay for ByuN spores in each mineral line for Curious
9:00 76 vs 74 2 more rax for ByuN 1-1 started for ByuN lair for Curious hellbat drop is denied from the main by 2 queens viking started for ByuN another spore for Curious
10:00 88vs 84 2 more rax for ByuN overlord speed for Curious hellbat drop at the 3rd of Curious is cleaned up by a spore and banelings ByuN floating out his 3rd base 4 drones were killed viking harassing overlords
On June 06 2013 19:33 Tsubbi wrote: wtf super u were the new mvp ace, how can u execute this piss easy allin so poorly...
If you don't do damage early on the execution won't be easy at all.
The spawning position for it was somewhat beneficial but you saw what happens when the Zerg gets all the info he needs.
well he got the info cuz he placed his 5:30 robo right in front of the overlord..
Zerg would have been fine either way as he scouted with an overseer later on. Was somewhat of blunder by super but when effort sees there are no phoenix coming he can assume either a) robo tech or b) fast third - which is very easy to scout.
On June 06 2013 19:33 Tsubbi wrote: wtf super u were the new mvp ace, how can u execute this piss easy allin so poorly...
If you don't do damage early on the execution won't be easy at all.
The spawning position for it was somewhat beneficial but you saw what happens when the Zerg gets all the info he needs.
well he got the info cuz he placed his 5:30 robo right in front of the overlord..
Zerg would have been fine either way as he scouted with an overseer later on. Was somewhat of blunder by super but when effort sees there are no phoenix coming he can assume either a) robo tech or b) fast third - which is very easy to scout.
lol dont u realize the difference in scouting this at 5:30 than at 8 minutes? its a totally different game
0:00 ByuN spawns in the bottom left Curious spawns in the top right
2:00 hatch first for Curious CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scout kills the scv building the CC of ByuN pool for Curious rax for ByuN
3:00 gas for ByuN drone scouts the whole main of ByuN 6 lings started for Curious
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for Byun
5:00 double gas for Curious 2nd gas for ByuN overlord scouts the main reactored hellion production started for ByuN tech lab for ByuN
6:00 armory for ByuN ling speed for Curious Starport for ByuN 3rd base for Curious
7:00 hellbats for ByuN stim research for ByuN baneling nest for Curious 3rd CC for ByuN double evo for Curious
8:00 69 vs 62 1-1 ling upgrades started for Curious double ebay for ByuN spores in each mineral line for Curious
9:00 76 vs 74 2 more rax for ByuN 1-1 started for ByuN lair for Curious hellbat drop is denied from the main by 2 queens viking started for ByuN another spore for Curious
10:00 88vs 84 2 more rax for ByuN overlord speed for Curious hellbat drop at the 3rd of Curious is cleaned up by a spore and banelings ByuN floating out his 3rd base 4 drones were killed viking harassing overlords
11:00 103 vs 93 macro hatch for Curious combat shields for ByuN spire for Curious widow mines for ByuN 2-2 started for Curious baneling speed for Curious
12:00 114 vs 98 bunker at the 3rd of ByuN hellbat drop at the 3rd of Curious spore kills the medivac lings come back and clean up the hellbats 4th base for Curious 2nd factory for ByuN
13:00 141 vs 125 mutas started for Curious 2-2 started for ByuN +1 vehicle armor for ByuN ling runby to the 3rd of ByuN ByuN tries to repair the bunker but lings block them and kill almost all of the scvs 12 scvs were killed
14:00 160 vs 134 +1 flier attack on the way for Curious 2 more rax for ByuN ByuN breaking down the center rocks mutas catch a full medivac and kill it off drop in the main of Curious is cleaned up
15:00 180 vs 148 ByuN cleaning up creep in the middle of the map drop at the 4th of Curious is cleaned up 4th CC for ByuN armies engage in the middle of the map
On June 06 2013 19:33 Tsubbi wrote: wtf super u were the new mvp ace, how can u execute this piss easy allin so poorly...
If you don't do damage early on the execution won't be easy at all.
The spawning position for it was somewhat beneficial but you saw what happens when the Zerg gets all the info he needs.
well he got the info cuz he placed his 5:30 robo right in front of the overlord..
Zerg would have been fine either way as he scouted with an overseer later on. Was somewhat of blunder by super but when effort sees there are no phoenix coming he can assume either a) robo tech or b) fast third - which is very easy to scout.
lol dont u realize the difference in scouting this at 5:30 than at 8 minutes? its a totally different game
drone drone drone - make units afterwards for either denying the third or go for the aggression/be safe. it made it easier but a totally different game is quite the stretch.
0:00 ByuN spawns in the bottom left Curious spawns in the top right
2:00 hatch first for Curious CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scout kills the scv building the CC of ByuN pool for Curious rax for ByuN
3:00 gas for ByuN drone scouts the whole main of ByuN 6 lings started for Curious
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for Byun
5:00 double gas for Curious 2nd gas for ByuN overlord scouts the main reactored hellion production started for ByuN tech lab for ByuN
6:00 armory for ByuN ling speed for Curious Starport for ByuN 3rd base for Curious
7:00 hellbats for ByuN stim research for ByuN baneling nest for Curious 3rd CC for ByuN double evo for Curious
8:00 69 vs 62 1-1 ling upgrades started for Curious double ebay for ByuN spores in each mineral line for Curious
9:00 76 vs 74 2 more rax for ByuN 1-1 started for ByuN lair for Curious hellbat drop is denied from the main by 2 queens viking started for ByuN another spore for Curious
10:00 88vs 84 2 more rax for ByuN overlord speed for Curious hellbat drop at the 3rd of Curious is cleaned up by a spore and banelings ByuN floating out his 3rd base 4 drones were killed viking harassing overlords
11:00 103 vs 93 macro hatch for Curious combat shields for ByuN spire for Curious widow mines for ByuN 2-2 started for Curious baneling speed for Curious
12:00 114 vs 98 bunker at the 3rd of ByuN hellbat drop at the 3rd of Curious spore kills the medivac lings come back and clean up the hellbats 4th base for Curious 2nd factory for ByuN
13:00 141 vs 125 mutas started for Curious 2-2 started for ByuN +1 vehicle armor for ByuN ling runby to the 3rd of ByuN ByuN tries to repair the bunker but lings block them and kill almost all of the scvs 12 scvs were killed
14:00 160 vs 134 +1 flier attack on the way for Curious 2 more rax for ByuN ByuN breaking down the center rocks mutas catch a full medivac and kill it off drop in the main of Curious is cleaned up
15:00 180 vs 148 ByuN cleaning up creep in the middle of the map drop at the 4th of Curious is cleaned up 4th CC for ByuN armies engage in the middle of the map
16:00 170 vs 158 Curious pushes back the army of ByuN because he was too far away from his mines 3-3 started for ByuN +2 flier attack started for Curious Curious engages the army of ByuN and he has to lift his army and retreat double drop in the main of Curious
17:00 161 vs 170 banelings clean up the drop in the main ByuN losing more marines in the middle of the map to banelings drilling claws for ByuN burrow research for Curious +2 vehicle weapons for ByuN ByuN takes his 4th base drop at the 4th of Curious ByuN pushing through the middle of the map again
18:00 167 vs 190 drop at the 4th is cleaned up infestation pit for Curious engagement in the middle of the map ByN is forced back again ByuN lifts his units and the mutas just kill the medivacs full of units 4th base of ByuN is killed drop in the natural of Curious
19:00 145 vs 191 4th CC restarted for ByuN Curious is maxed out drop in the main of Curious is cleaned up b y mutas +1 air carapace for Curious Hive for ByuN 5th base for Curious mutas killing turrets in the main
20:00 166 vs 200 mutas look to target down the main CC but marines chase them away pathogen galnds for Curious more scvs are dying in the natural of mutas byuN move commanding through the center of the map and loses everything to lings and banes 3rd base is being cleaned out by mutas 3rd of Byun is saved
0:00 ByuN spawns in the bottom left Curious spawns in the top right
2:00 hatch first for Curious CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scout kills the scv building the CC of ByuN pool for Curious rax for ByuN
3:00 gas for ByuN drone scouts the whole main of ByuN 6 lings started for Curious
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for Byun
5:00 double gas for Curious 2nd gas for ByuN overlord scouts the main reactored hellion production started for ByuN tech lab for ByuN
6:00 armory for ByuN ling speed for Curious Starport for ByuN 3rd base for Curious
7:00 hellbats for ByuN stim research for ByuN baneling nest for Curious 3rd CC for ByuN double evo for Curious
8:00 69 vs 62 1-1 ling upgrades started for Curious double ebay for ByuN spores in each mineral line for Curious
9:00 76 vs 74 2 more rax for ByuN 1-1 started for ByuN lair for Curious hellbat drop is denied from the main by 2 queens viking started for ByuN another spore for Curious
10:00 88vs 84 2 more rax for ByuN overlord speed for Curious hellbat drop at the 3rd of Curious is cleaned up by a spore and banelings ByuN floating out his 3rd base 4 drones were killed viking harassing overlords
11:00 103 vs 93 macro hatch for Curious combat shields for ByuN spire for Curious widow mines for ByuN 2-2 started for Curious baneling speed for Curious
12:00 114 vs 98 bunker at the 3rd of ByuN hellbat drop at the 3rd of Curious spore kills the medivac lings come back and clean up the hellbats 4th base for Curious 2nd factory for ByuN
13:00 141 vs 125 mutas started for Curious 2-2 started for ByuN +1 vehicle armor for ByuN ling runby to the 3rd of ByuN ByuN tries to repair the bunker but lings block them and kill almost all of the scvs 12 scvs were killed
14:00 160 vs 134 +1 flier attack on the way for Curious 2 more rax for ByuN ByuN breaking down the center rocks mutas catch a full medivac and kill it off drop in the main of Curious is cleaned up
15:00 180 vs 148 ByuN cleaning up creep in the middle of the map drop at the 4th of Curious is cleaned up 4th CC for ByuN armies engage in the middle of the map
16:00 170 vs 158 Curious pushes back the army of ByuN because he was too far away from his mines 3-3 started for ByuN +2 flier attack started for Curious Curious engages the army of ByuN and he has to lift his army and retreat double drop in the main of Curious
17:00 161 vs 170 banelings clean up the drop in the main ByuN losing more marines in the middle of the map to banelings drilling claws for ByuN burrow research for Curious +2 vehicle weapons for ByuN ByuN takes his 4th base drop at the 4th of Curious ByuN pushing through the middle of the map again
18:00 167 vs 190 drop at the 4th is cleaned up infestation pit for Curious engagement in the middle of the map ByN is forced back again ByuN lifts his units and the mutas just kill the medivacs full of units 4th base of ByuN is killed drop in the natural of Curious
19:00 145 vs 191 4th CC restarted for ByuN Curious is maxed out drop in the main of Curious is cleaned up b y mutas +1 air carapace for Curious Hive for ByuN 5th base for Curious mutas killing turrets in the main
20:00 166 vs 200 mutas look to target down the main CC but marines chase them away pathogen galnds for Curious more scvs are dying in the natural of mutas byuN move commanding through the center of the map and loses everything to lings and banes 3rd base is being cleaned out by mutas 3rd of Byun is saved
21:00 142 vs 195 ByuN losing more medivacs in the middle of the map to mutas 3-3 started for Curious burrowed banelings at the natural ramp are scanned and killed ultralisk cavern for Curious mutas fly into the undefended 3rd of ByuN and start killing everything banelings kill the rest of the scvs at ByuN's 3rd
22:00 123 vs 190 ByuN attacking at the 5th of Curious but is repelled banelings and mutas killing the natural of ByuN ByuN losing more units ByuN's push is being stalled in the middle of the map still
23:00 108 vs 174 ByuN finally kills the 5th of Curious but mutas are just killing reinforcements as they rally ByuN trying to push the 3rd of Curious but banelings just wash over his army ByuN ggs! Curious wins and improves to 2-1!
Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
I sorta agree, the main downside would be GSTL having very few team's then.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Prime and NSHS players get split between eSF, Kespa and foreign teams, and then GSTL and Proleague merges.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
The players on Prime and NsH good enough to get picked up by other teams
the viewers of the team leagues, they won't have to watch teams who get all killed every match.
creator and mkp, so they won't have their tournament winnings siphoned to keep their team running.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
GSTL is starting to become irrelevant because of how infrequent the broadcasts are anyway, It's about x10 easier to catch a Proleague match since it airs 7 matches a week nearly every week instead of two matches a week skipping a lot of weeks.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it.
The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS.
Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:33 Bahajinbo wrote: Damn, great music choice when showing the players - some Arsis is always nice. :D And gg, the recall was game deciding.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
If that ever happens I wonder if they keep T8
Team 8 merge with prime/hoseo to form "We have no fucking money" squad.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it.
The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS.
Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in.
In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it.
Except for open seasons, this history isn't even counting code A+S which would be even better for terrans actually. They can be the smaller number for quite some time before the overall numbers get even close.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
GSTL is starting to become irrelevant because of how infrequent the broadcasts are anyway, It's about x10 easier to catch a Proleague match since it airs 7 matches a week nearly every week instead of two matches a week skipping a lot of weeks.
Also Bo7 all-kill format is fucking terrible. I think they chose that so teams like Axiom-Acer, Prime and NSH could stand a chance.
0:00 ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left EffOrt spawns in the top left
2:00 hatch first for EffOrt Nexus first for Paralyze pool for EffOrt forge for Paralyze in main gas for EffOrt
3:00 gateway for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt Cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze
5:00 Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet Stargate for Paralyze double evo for EffOrt 2 more gas for Paralyze
6:00 another cannon for Paralyze 1-1 ling upgrades started for EffOrt mothership core for Paralyze phoenix production started for Paralyze 2nd gas for EffOrt
7:00 58 vs 61 robo for Paralyze Lair for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt +1 attack started for Paralyze
8:00 66 vs 61 Spire for EffOrt spores for EffOrt 3 more gates for Paralyze Robo bay for Paralyze infestation pit for EffOrt observer for Paralyze
9:00 71 vs 74 phoenixes harassing the main minera line 1 phoenix is taken out by queens and a spore 3rd base for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze 2-2 for EffOrt sentries of Paralyze are killed 3rd of Paralyze is canceled colossus production started for Paralyze Hive for EffOrt
10:00 80 vs 83 2 more gates for Paralyze phoenixes harassing the main mineral line again Hive is scouted 3rd base restarted for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it.
The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS.
Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in.
In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A.
They left because they know they don't stand a chance in Korea anymore.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
0:00 ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left EffOrt spawns in the top left
2:00 hatch first for EffOrt Nexus first for Paralyze pool for EffOrt forge for Paralyze in main gas for EffOrt
3:00 gateway for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt Cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze
5:00 Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet Stargate for Paralyze double evo for EffOrt 2 more gas for Paralyze
6:00 another cannon for Paralyze 1-1 ling upgrades started for EffOrt mothership core for Paralyze phoenix production started for Paralyze 2nd gas for EffOrt
7:00 58 vs 61 robo for Paralyze Lair for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt +1 attack started for Paralyze
8:00 66 vs 61 Spire for EffOrt spores for EffOrt 3 more gates for Paralyze Robo bay for Paralyze infestation pit for EffOrt observer for Paralyze
9:00 71 vs 74 phoenixes harassing the main minera line 1 phoenix is taken out by queens and a spore 3rd base for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze 2-2 for EffOrt sentries of Paralyze are killed 3rd of Paralyze is canceled colossus production started for Paralyze Hive for EffOrt
10:00 80 vs 83 2 more gates for Paralyze phoenixes harassing the main mineral line again Hive is scouted 3rd base restarted for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
11:00 99vs 91 lings are cleaned up by zealots and the colossus adrenal glands for EffOrt +2 attack for Paralyze ultralisk cavern for EffOrt infestors started for EffOrt
12:00 113 vs 105 ling runby to the natural is denied 2 more gates for Paralyze Paralyze still making colossi 2nd robo for Paralyze Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze
13:00 125 vs 125 ultras started for EffOrt chitinous plating for EffOrt spire for EffOrt phoenixes scout the ultralisk cavern double immortal production started for Paralyze
14:00 136 vs 133 4th base for EffOrt Templar archives for Paralyze 11 queens out for EffOrt
15:00 156 vs 131 tons of spines going up for EffOrt Fleet beacon for Paralyze +3 attack started for Paralyze +3 melee started for EffOrt Greater spire for EffOrt Corruptors started for EffOrt
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
Spending lots of money doesn't mean they're bathing in money. Could easily be pushing their budget/being in debt
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
Actually, all MVPs sponsor only want to sponsor their LoL squad, not sc2.
DRG is not coming to DreamHack due to money issues.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
Actually recently they've not been able to afford sending players to foreign events. Apparantly their LoL teams gets sponsorships that don't count for SC2 team.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
What? DRG is coming to Dreamhack Summer and they have two players in WCS EU.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote: [quote] All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
What? DRG is coming to Dreamhack Summer and they have two players in WCS EU.
On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote: [quote] All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
Isn't DRG going to DH ?
DRG isn't going to DH, read his fanclub there's a huge fuss about it
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it.
The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS.
Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in.
In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A.
They left because they know they don't stand a chance in Korea anymore.
They left because they are on teams that can afford to send them to another region where It's easier to make money, that's all there is to it.
On June 06 2013 19:56 Laryleprakon wrote: Hopefully Prime can come back or their players end up on good teams.
All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
Actually, all MVPs sponsor only want to sponsor their LoL squad, not sc2.
DRG is not coming to DreamHack due to money issues.
Ouch . Too bad, winning DH might have boosted his confidence.
On June 06 2013 19:59 Grumbels wrote: [quote] All their players are slumping and they only have four good players left. I think at this point the Korean scene would benefit from Prime and NsH disbanding to be honest. Proleague can use some good terran players in any case.
Who would benefit from Prime or NsH disbanding?
the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
0:00 ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left EffOrt spawns in the top left
2:00 hatch first for EffOrt Nexus first for Paralyze pool for EffOrt forge for Paralyze in main gas for EffOrt
3:00 gateway for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt Cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze
5:00 Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet Stargate for Paralyze double evo for EffOrt 2 more gas for Paralyze
6:00 another cannon for Paralyze 1-1 ling upgrades started for EffOrt mothership core for Paralyze phoenix production started for Paralyze 2nd gas for EffOrt
7:00 58 vs 61 robo for Paralyze Lair for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt +1 attack started for Paralyze
8:00 66 vs 61 Spire for EffOrt spores for EffOrt 3 more gates for Paralyze Robo bay for Paralyze infestation pit for EffOrt observer for Paralyze
9:00 71 vs 74 phoenixes harassing the main minera line 1 phoenix is taken out by queens and a spore 3rd base for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze 2-2 for EffOrt sentries of Paralyze are killed 3rd of Paralyze is canceled colossus production started for Paralyze Hive for EffOrt
10:00 80 vs 83 2 more gates for Paralyze phoenixes harassing the main mineral line again Hive is scouted 3rd base restarted for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
11:00 99vs 91 lings are cleaned up by zealots and the colossus adrenal glands for EffOrt +2 attack for Paralyze ultralisk cavern for EffOrt infestors started for EffOrt
12:00 113 vs 105 ling runby to the natural is denied 2 more gates for Paralyze Paralyze still making colossi 2nd robo for Paralyze Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze
13:00 125 vs 125 ultras started for EffOrt chitinous plating for EffOrt spire for EffOrt phoenixes scout the ultralisk cavern double immortal production started for Paralyze
14:00 136 vs 133 4th base for EffOrt Templar archives for Paralyze 11 queens out for EffOrt
15:00 156 vs 131 tons of spines going up for EffOrt Fleet beacon for Paralyze +3 attack started for Paralyze +3 melee started for EffOrt Greater spire for EffOrt Corruptors started for EffOrt
16:00 160 vs 162 phoenix range for Paralyze 4th base for Paralyze is forced to cancel by a ling runby blink research for Paralyze storm research for Paralyze +3 carapace for EffOrt
17:00 177 vs 163 4th base restarted for Paralyze 5th base for EffOrt Brood lords started for EffOrt +1 air carapace for EffOrt Tempest production started for Paralyze ling runby to the 4th of EffOrt is cleaned up by ultras
18:00 177 vs 186 Paralyze starting to clean up creep but backs off 2nd starport for Paralyze more corruptors for EffOrt more spines for EffOrt EffOrt moving towards the 3rd of Paralyze Brood lords sieging the 3rd
19:00 195 vs 197 fungal on the protoss army storm on the brood lords queens transfusing another fungal on the army only 1 tempest out double tempest production started for Paralyze phoenixes killing the brood lords immortals clean up the ultras another tempest is out to help kill the broods
20:00 137 vs 162 stalkers blink under the brood lords and help clean them up phoenixes are all killed by corruptors corruptors starting to kill colossi before being chased away by stalkers vipers startedf or EffOrt Corruptors and ultras for EffOrt ling runby to the 4th of Paralyze mothership core rebuilding for Paralyze
On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote: [quote] the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
What? DRG is coming to Dreamhack Summer and they have two players in WCS EU.
On June 06 2013 20:19 Laryleprakon wrote:
On June 06 2013 20:17 opterown wrote:
On June 06 2013 20:17 Bowzar wrote:
On June 06 2013 20:10 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 06 2013 20:09 Fusilero wrote:
On June 06 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 06 2013 20:04 sitromit wrote:
On June 06 2013 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote: [quote] the players that could go to better teams with a better environment and have a chance to be relevant in sc2
That would also mean the death of GSTL though. To be honest I don't know how much of a future GSTL has at this point anyway.
I would prefer to see a consolidated team league but I dont really know how that would work with the politics behind it
Disband GSTL, AZUBU/StarTale/IM/MVP into proleague, prime and hoseo players available as mercenaries for teams.
Hey FXO : (
Also team MVP seem to struggle with money as well
They have like 4 LoL teams and they can also afford to send players to foreign events, they are fine and have money somehow.
they actually can't send players to foreign events haha
Isn't DRG going to DH ?
DRG isn't going to DH, read his fanclub there's a huge fuss about it
Surprising he doesn't just pay for it himself to save his team looking bad.
it wouldn't be an economically sound decision though. he gets a bit more exposure and maybe WCS points but is almost guaranteed to lose money
Wait, so how are Tails and Finale going to play in the LAN part of WCS EU if Team MVP can't afford to send their star player to DH? I hope they know that Blizzard isn't paying for international flights.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it.
The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS.
Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in.
In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A.
They left because they know they don't stand a chance in Korea anymore.
They left because they are on teams that can afford to send them to another region where It's easier to make money, that's all there is to it.
We will see them in season finals soon enough. If they make it past ro8 it will be quite a nice surprise.
On June 06 2013 19:56 scypio wrote: Fun fact: WCS Season 2 will be the worst season for terrans in terms of numbers since the beginning of Starcraft 2, GSL Open seasons, GSL Code S and finally WCS.
First I was like, yummy poetic justice - then I looked at the earlier protoss/zerg stats compared to terran. Now I don't get the funny part in it.
The fun part is that we had those "hellbat OP! widow mine OP! T unbeatable!" cries since the launch of HotS.
Reality check: T takes it's biggest dive in the history of SC2 and Korean premier tournaments.
HotS balance aside. I think the main reason there are less terrans are because of the last WoL season being only 1 season apart from this one. Give it 1-2 more seasons and the lesser zergs will drop out and the better terrans will get back in.
In my opinion there were also a lot of terran players who left to another Scene. Teaja, MVP and Ryung, who were Code S regulars come to mind. From the other races only Hero left who was in Code A.
They left because they know they don't stand a chance in Korea anymore.
Not really. They could still compete with others, but they left because its much easier to get money/wcs points. and etc.
0:00 ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left EffOrt spawns in the top left
2:00 hatch first for EffOrt Nexus first for Paralyze pool for EffOrt forge for Paralyze in main gas for EffOrt
3:00 gateway for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt Cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze
5:00 Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet Stargate for Paralyze double evo for EffOrt 2 more gas for Paralyze
6:00 another cannon for Paralyze 1-1 ling upgrades started for EffOrt mothership core for Paralyze phoenix production started for Paralyze 2nd gas for EffOrt
7:00 58 vs 61 robo for Paralyze Lair for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt +1 attack started for Paralyze
8:00 66 vs 61 Spire for EffOrt spores for EffOrt 3 more gates for Paralyze Robo bay for Paralyze infestation pit for EffOrt observer for Paralyze
9:00 71 vs 74 phoenixes harassing the main minera line 1 phoenix is taken out by queens and a spore 3rd base for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze 2-2 for EffOrt sentries of Paralyze are killed 3rd of Paralyze is canceled colossus production started for Paralyze Hive for EffOrt
10:00 80 vs 83 2 more gates for Paralyze phoenixes harassing the main mineral line again Hive is scouted 3rd base restarted for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
11:00 99vs 91 lings are cleaned up by zealots and the colossus adrenal glands for EffOrt +2 attack for Paralyze ultralisk cavern for EffOrt infestors started for EffOrt
12:00 113 vs 105 ling runby to the natural is denied 2 more gates for Paralyze Paralyze still making colossi 2nd robo for Paralyze Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze
13:00 125 vs 125 ultras started for EffOrt chitinous plating for EffOrt spire for EffOrt phoenixes scout the ultralisk cavern double immortal production started for Paralyze
14:00 136 vs 133 4th base for EffOrt Templar archives for Paralyze 11 queens out for EffOrt
15:00 156 vs 131 tons of spines going up for EffOrt Fleet beacon for Paralyze +3 attack started for Paralyze +3 melee started for EffOrt Greater spire for EffOrt Corruptors started for EffOrt
16:00 160 vs 162 phoenix range for Paralyze 4th base for Paralyze is forced to cancel by a ling runby blink research for Paralyze storm research for Paralyze +3 carapace for EffOrt
17:00 177 vs 163 4th base restarted for Paralyze 5th base for EffOrt Brood lords started for EffOrt +1 air carapace for EffOrt Tempest production started for Paralyze ling runby to the 4th of EffOrt is cleaned up by ultras
18:00 177 vs 186 Paralyze starting to clean up creep but backs off 2nd starport for Paralyze more corruptors for EffOrt more spines for EffOrt EffOrt moving towards the 3rd of Paralyze Brood lords sieging the 3rd
19:00 195 vs 197 fungal on the protoss army storm on the brood lords queens transfusing another fungal on the army only 1 tempest out double tempest production started for Paralyze phoenixes killing the brood lords immortals clean up the ultras another tempest is out to help kill the broods
20:00 137 vs 162 stalkers blink under the brood lords and help clean them up phoenixes are all killed by corruptors corruptors starting to kill colossi before being chased away by stalkers vipers startedf or EffOrt Corruptors and ultras for EffOrt ling runby to the 4th of Paralyze mothership core rebuilding for Paralyze
21:00 135 vs 161 6th base for EffOrt +1 flier attack for EffOrt more infestors and ultras for EffOrt ultra runby at the 4th of Paralyze is being chased away ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
22:00 153 vs 171 Paralyze moving towards the top right of the map where the newer bases of EffOrt are burrow research started for EffOrt EffOrt building more spines EffOrt losing some more ultras fungal on all of the HTs blinding cloud on the protoss army
23:00 148 vs 171 ultras move in to attack stalkers but they get killed off corruptors kill off the last colossus spines at the 5th of EffOrt go down double colossus production for Paralyze Stalkers blind on the high ground near the 5th and start blinding out vs lings
24:00 118 vs 161 more ultras out for EffOrt with more on the way stalkers getting chased down by lings stalkers get fungaled with 3 ultras nearby immortal production restarted for Paralyze stalkers block a retreating ultra so it can be killed off
25:00 123 vs 180 zealot runby to the 5th of EffOrt corruptors coming out for EffOrt 5th base for Paralyze warp prism for Paralyze +2 flier attack for EffOrt
On June 06 2013 20:22 Dodgin wrote: Wait, so how are Tails and Finale going to play in the LAN part of WCS EU if Team MVP can't afford to send their star player to DH? I hope they know that Blizzard isn't paying for international flights.
I was wondering that too. Maybe they just had to make a decision, not being able to afford both WCS and DH.
And wow, that actually was WC3 style micro for once, despite the fact Paralyze is hardly a WC3 player.
On June 06 2013 20:22 Dodgin wrote: Wait, so how are Tails and Finale going to play in the LAN part of WCS EU if Team MVP can't afford to send their star player to DH? I hope they know that Blizzard isn't paying for international flights.
0:00 ParalyzE spawns in the bottom left EffOrt spawns in the top left
2:00 hatch first for EffOrt Nexus first for Paralyze pool for EffOrt forge for Paralyze in main gas for EffOrt
3:00 gateway for Paralyze double gas for Paralyze cannon for Paralyze
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt Cybernetics core for Paralyze zealot for Paralyze
5:00 Paralyze probe scouting and sees no 3rd yet Stargate for Paralyze double evo for EffOrt 2 more gas for Paralyze
6:00 another cannon for Paralyze 1-1 ling upgrades started for EffOrt mothership core for Paralyze phoenix production started for Paralyze 2nd gas for EffOrt
7:00 58 vs 61 robo for Paralyze Lair for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt +1 attack started for Paralyze
8:00 66 vs 61 Spire for EffOrt spores for EffOrt 3 more gates for Paralyze Robo bay for Paralyze infestation pit for EffOrt observer for Paralyze
9:00 71 vs 74 phoenixes harassing the main minera line 1 phoenix is taken out by queens and a spore 3rd base for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze 2-2 for EffOrt sentries of Paralyze are killed 3rd of Paralyze is canceled colossus production started for Paralyze Hive for EffOrt
10:00 80 vs 83 2 more gates for Paralyze phoenixes harassing the main mineral line again Hive is scouted 3rd base restarted for Paralyze ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
11:00 99vs 91 lings are cleaned up by zealots and the colossus adrenal glands for EffOrt +2 attack for Paralyze ultralisk cavern for EffOrt infestors started for EffOrt
12:00 113 vs 105 ling runby to the natural is denied 2 more gates for Paralyze Paralyze still making colossi 2nd robo for Paralyze Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze
13:00 125 vs 125 ultras started for EffOrt chitinous plating for EffOrt spire for EffOrt phoenixes scout the ultralisk cavern double immortal production started for Paralyze
14:00 136 vs 133 4th base for EffOrt Templar archives for Paralyze 11 queens out for EffOrt
15:00 156 vs 131 tons of spines going up for EffOrt Fleet beacon for Paralyze +3 attack started for Paralyze +3 melee started for EffOrt Greater spire for EffOrt Corruptors started for EffOrt
16:00 160 vs 162 phoenix range for Paralyze 4th base for Paralyze is forced to cancel by a ling runby blink research for Paralyze storm research for Paralyze +3 carapace for EffOrt
17:00 177 vs 163 4th base restarted for Paralyze 5th base for EffOrt Brood lords started for EffOrt +1 air carapace for EffOrt Tempest production started for Paralyze ling runby to the 4th of EffOrt is cleaned up by ultras
18:00 177 vs 186 Paralyze starting to clean up creep but backs off 2nd starport for Paralyze more corruptors for EffOrt more spines for EffOrt EffOrt moving towards the 3rd of Paralyze Brood lords sieging the 3rd
19:00 195 vs 197 fungal on the protoss army storm on the brood lords queens transfusing another fungal on the army only 1 tempest out double tempest production started for Paralyze phoenixes killing the brood lords immortals clean up the ultras another tempest is out to help kill the broods
20:00 137 vs 162 stalkers blink under the brood lords and help clean them up phoenixes are all killed by corruptors corruptors starting to kill colossi before being chased away by stalkers vipers startedf or EffOrt Corruptors and ultras for EffOrt ling runby to the 4th of Paralyze mothership core rebuilding for Paralyze
21:00 135 vs 161 6th base for EffOrt +1 flier attack for EffOrt more infestors and ultras for EffOrt ultra runby at the 4th of Paralyze is being chased away ling runby to the 3rd of Paralyze
22:00 153 vs 171 Paralyze moving towards the top right of the map where the newer bases of EffOrt are burrow research started for EffOrt EffOrt building more spines EffOrt losing some more ultras fungal on all of the HTs blinding cloud on the protoss army
23:00 148 vs 171 ultras move in to attack stalkers but they get killed off corruptors kill off the last colossus spines at the 5th of EffOrt go down double colossus production for Paralyze Stalkers blind on the high ground near the 5th and start blinding out vs lings
24:00 118 vs 161 more ultras out for EffOrt with more on the way stalkers getting chased down by lings stalkers get fungaled with 3 ultras nearby immortal production restarted for Paralyze stalkers block a retreating ultra so it can be killed off
25:00 123 vs 180 zealot runby to the 5th of EffOrt corruptors coming out for EffOrt 5th base for Paralyze warp prism for Paralyze +2 flier attack for EffOrt
26:00 144 vs 185 ling runby to the 5th of Paralyze tempest production restarted for Paralyze lings are cleaned up Ultra infestor corruptor army attacking the 3rd of Paralyze 3rd of Paralyze is killed
27:00 155 vs 200 armies engage at the remains of the 3rd blinding cloud on everything corruptors kill the colossi tons of storms being used but the ultras survive corruptors killing off the tempests ultras moving into the 4th of Paralyze storm and cannons holding off the ultras ITs thrown out
28:00 84 vs 180 EffOrt breaking through at the 4th Paralyze ggs! EffOrt improves to 2-1!
On June 06 2013 20:22 Dodgin wrote: Wait, so how are Tails and Finale going to play in the LAN part of WCS EU if Team MVP can't afford to send their star player to DH? I hope they know that Blizzard isn't paying for international flights.
Down on their knees and beg their LoL masters.
Made me smile. Still think you should get banned for such Lol comments on these forums
On June 06 2013 20:22 Dodgin wrote: Wait, so how are Tails and Finale going to play in the LAN part of WCS EU if Team MVP can't afford to send their star player to DH? I hope they know that Blizzard isn't paying for international flights.
I was wondering that too. Maybe they just had to make a decision, not being able to afford both WCS and DH.
And wow, that actually was WC3 style micro for once, despite the fact Paralyze is hardly a WC3 player.
But why would you plan your budget for something so uncertain? Until less than a week ago they didn't even know if they were going to be in Premier, and It's still not confirmed that they will be able to make the ro16. It seems silly to say " sorry DRG I know you've given us tons of wins and exposure in the past but we can't send you to DH because there's a possibility that we'll need to use the money to pay for Tails and Finale's flights. "
Well maybe that is how it happened, but it seems weird. If I had to guess I think they just don't know that they have to pay their own way to Germany. Hopefully we don't have forfeits happening next season like Violet did.
On June 06 2013 20:27 sitromit wrote: If Curious wins this we're set for a tie, because Effort will probably beat Byun the way things are going.
11/11 into GG
Byun was winning all his games then fucked it up vs Symbol which prevented Jaedong from moving into code S. This time around he's losing all of them, then going to win the one we don't want him to
On June 06 2013 20:27 Doublemint wrote: that Zerg army looks amazing, the way it works the viper will always get off their blinding clouds. good stuff
To be fair, Afrotoss didn't feedback the vipers.
he did, but way too late. vipers can cast blinding cloud from behind and templar need to keep their distance cuz of fungal/ultra. need some theorycrafting and testing how to beat that properly
//edit: no, afaik it does not affect air units. however against tempests who do like no damage for their cost against corrupters it's really not necessary.
0:00 Super spawns in the top right Curious spawns in the bottom right
2:00 pool first for Curious Nexus first for Super hatch for Curious forge for Super
3:00 gateway for Super cannon for Super double gas for Super 3rd base for Curious
4:00 the first 2 lings kill 1 probe that was blocking the natural choke cybernetics core for Super zealot for Super
5:00 mothership core for Super double gas for Curious
6:00 3rd base for Super zealot stalker msc pressure is denied by lings killing the zealot and almost a stalker right away roach warren for Curious
7:00 52 vs 60 Robo for Super 2 more gates for Super ling speed on the way for Curious lings scout the 3rd of Super 2 more gas for Super Roaches started for Curious
8:00 59 vs 89 observer for Super +1 attack started for Super immortal production started for Super another gas for Curious Lair for Curious more lings coming out for Curious
9:00 77 vs 103 robo bay for Super Roaches attacking into the natural of Super lings flank the army of Super as it moves from the 3rd to defend Super loses all of his units forge is killed in the wall more lings coming out roach speed for Curious
10:00 Super ggs! Curious wins and improves to 3-1!
On June 06 2013 20:22 Dodgin wrote: Wait, so how are Tails and Finale going to play in the LAN part of WCS EU if Team MVP can't afford to send their star player to DH? I hope they know that Blizzard isn't paying for international flights.
I was wondering that too. Maybe they just had to make a decision, not being able to afford both WCS and DH.
And wow, that actually was WC3 style micro for once, despite the fact Paralyze is hardly a WC3 player.
But why would you plan your budget for something so uncertain? Until less than a week ago they didn't even know if they were going to be in Premier, and It's still not confirmed that they will be able to make the ro16. It seems silly to say " sorry DRG I know you've given us tons of wins and exposure in the past but we can't send you to DH because there's a possibility that we'll need to use the money to pay for Tails and Finale's flights. "
Well maybe that is how it happened, but it seems weird. If I had to guess I think they just don't know that they have to pay their own way to Germany. Hopefully we don't have forfeits happening next season like Violet did.
That's actually how I think it happened, haha. Explains why DRG was signed up at first, but had to back out.
I guess they realised the price of going to Germany, or had money allocated to DRG's trip until the other players qualified for Premier. Yeah it's definitely a really silly thing if that's the case, but maybe slightly less silly than the option of them not realising the price of WCS Premier league yet. >_>
I still don't know who Super, Hurricane and Swagger is.. can't remember, and lost all interest since changing their names. If they at least didn't do it at the same time..
On June 06 2013 20:39 Zenbrez wrote: I still don't know who Super, Hurricane and Swagger is.. can't remember, and lost all interest since changing their names. If they at least didn't do it at the same time..
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scouts the CC first drone harassing the building scv on the CC rax for ByuN pool for EffOrt
3:00 gas for EffOrt gas for ByuN
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for ByuN
5:00 2 more rax for ByuN hidden in the back of his base 2nd gas for ByuN overlord speed for EffOrt
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scouts the CC first drone harassing the building scv on the CC rax for ByuN pool for EffOrt
3:00 gas for EffOrt gas for ByuN
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for ByuN
5:00 2 more rax for ByuN hidden in the back of his base 2nd gas for ByuN overlord speed for EffOrt
6:00 3rd base for EffOrt Roach warren for EffOrt reactored hellion production for ByuN ebay for ByuN overlord flying into the main of ByuN as speed finishes stim research started for ByuN double reactored rax for ByuN overlord misses the other 2 rax
7:00 46 vs 59 hellions scout the 3rd of EffOrt overlord comes back in and scouts everything of ByuN +1 attack for ByuN roaches started for EffOrt evo for EffOrt another gas for EffOrt Starport for ByuN
8:00 62 vs 74 +1 range attack for EffOrt lair for EffOrt Marauders for ByuN double medivac production started for ByuN widow mines started for ByuN
9:00 86 vs 93 Roach speed for EffOrt overlord scouts the army of ByuN starting to move out Hydralisk den for Effrt combat shields for ByuN spores going up for EffOrt 3rd CC for ByuN
10:00 105 vs 111 marines cleaning up creep hellion runby at the 3rd is denied by roaches EffOrt's roaches force back the main army of ByuN ByuN lifts his marines and drops the main of EffOrt +1 armor for ByuN 2 more rax for ByuN hydra range for EffOrt EffOrt forces the drop out of his main hellions denied from the 3rd again
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scouts the CC first drone harassing the building scv on the CC rax for ByuN pool for EffOrt
3:00 gas for EffOrt gas for ByuN
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for ByuN
5:00 2 more rax for ByuN hidden in the back of his base 2nd gas for ByuN overlord speed for EffOrt
6:00 3rd base for EffOrt Roach warren for EffOrt reactored hellion production for ByuN ebay for ByuN overlord flying into the main of ByuN as speed finishes stim research started for ByuN double reactored rax for ByuN overlord misses the other 2 rax
7:00 46 vs 59 hellions scout the 3rd of EffOrt overlord comes back in and scouts everything of ByuN +1 attack for ByuN roaches started for EffOrt evo for EffOrt another gas for EffOrt Starport for ByuN
8:00 62 vs 74 +1 range attack for EffOrt lair for EffOrt Marauders for ByuN double medivac production started for ByuN widow mines started for ByuN
9:00 86 vs 93 Roach speed for EffOrt overlord scouts the army of ByuN starting to move out Hydralisk den for Effrt combat shields for ByuN spores going up for EffOrt 3rd CC for ByuN
10:00 105 vs 111 marines cleaning up creep hellion runby at the 3rd is denied by roaches EffOrt's roaches force back the main army of ByuN ByuN lifts his marines and drops the main of EffOrt +1 armor for ByuN 2 more rax for ByuN hydra range for EffOrt EffOrt forces the drop out of his main hellions denied from the 3rd again
11:00 110 vs 126 reinforcements are rallied wrong and being killed by roaches in the middle of the map EffOrt counter attacking with his roaches Bunker in the natural falls ByuN's army returns home and helps push the roaches away tanks started for ByuN
12:00 117 vs 115 4th base for effOrt hydras started for EffOrt +1 carapace for EffOrt +2 range attack for EffOrt Hydra speed for EffOrt armory for ByuN 2nd ebay for ByuN hellion runby to the natural of EffOrt is cleaned up
13:00 135 vs 158 ByuN moving out on the map again 3rd base of ByuN is landed now Roaches and hydras chasing back the bio of ByuN +2 attack started for ByuN +2 armor started for ByuN ling runby forces a lift on the 3rd of ByuN creep block at the 3rd of ByuN
14:00 149 vs 159 +1 vehicle weapons for ByuN Hive for EffOrt +2 carapace for EffOrt pathogen gladns for EffOrt
15:00 171 vs 162 ByuN finally lands his 3rd again 2nd factory for ByuN infestors started for EffOrt 3 more rax for ByuN drop at the 4th of EffOrt
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scouts the CC first drone harassing the building scv on the CC rax for ByuN pool for EffOrt
3:00 gas for EffOrt gas for ByuN
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for ByuN
5:00 2 more rax for ByuN hidden in the back of his base 2nd gas for ByuN overlord speed for EffOrt
6:00 3rd base for EffOrt Roach warren for EffOrt reactored hellion production for ByuN ebay for ByuN overlord flying into the main of ByuN as speed finishes stim research started for ByuN double reactored rax for ByuN overlord misses the other 2 rax
7:00 46 vs 59 hellions scout the 3rd of EffOrt overlord comes back in and scouts everything of ByuN +1 attack for ByuN roaches started for EffOrt evo for EffOrt another gas for EffOrt Starport for ByuN
8:00 62 vs 74 +1 range attack for EffOrt lair for EffOrt Marauders for ByuN double medivac production started for ByuN widow mines started for ByuN
9:00 86 vs 93 Roach speed for EffOrt overlord scouts the army of ByuN starting to move out Hydralisk den for Effrt combat shields for ByuN spores going up for EffOrt 3rd CC for ByuN
10:00 105 vs 111 marines cleaning up creep hellion runby at the 3rd is denied by roaches EffOrt's roaches force back the main army of ByuN ByuN lifts his marines and drops the main of EffOrt +1 armor for ByuN 2 more rax for ByuN hydra range for EffOrt EffOrt forces the drop out of his main hellions denied from the 3rd again
11:00 110 vs 126 reinforcements are rallied wrong and being killed by roaches in the middle of the map EffOrt counter attacking with his roaches Bunker in the natural falls ByuN's army returns home and helps push the roaches away tanks started for ByuN
12:00 117 vs 115 4th base for effOrt hydras started for EffOrt +1 carapace for EffOrt +2 range attack for EffOrt Hydra speed for EffOrt armory for ByuN 2nd ebay for ByuN hellion runby to the natural of EffOrt is cleaned up
13:00 135 vs 158 ByuN moving out on the map again 3rd base of ByuN is landed now Roaches and hydras chasing back the bio of ByuN +2 attack started for ByuN +2 armor started for ByuN ling runby forces a lift on the 3rd of ByuN creep block at the 3rd of ByuN
14:00 149 vs 159 +1 vehicle weapons for ByuN Hive for EffOrt +2 carapace for EffOrt pathogen gladns for EffOrt
15:00 171 vs 162 ByuN finally lands his 3rd again 2nd factory for ByuN infestors started for EffOrt 3 more rax for ByuN drop at the 4th of EffOrt
16:00 175 vs 185 drops at the 4th and main of EffOrt are forced away ByuN moving across the map fungal from EffOrt hits the bi of ByuN
17:00 180 vs 184 Vipers coming out for EffOrt 3-3 started for ByuN roach runby to the 3rd of ByuN ling speed for EffOrt ByuN pushing the 4th of EffOrt ultralisk cavern for EffOrt the vipers are killed off blinding cloud manages to get on the tanks before it does
18:00 163 vs 174 EffOrt pushing back the army of ByuN ByuN sieges his tanks again and the hydras are cleaned up more infestors and roaches coming out for EffOrt ByuN pushing the 4th of EfOrt again infestors dont have any energy
19:00 172 v 179 roach reinforcements arrive and EffOrt is able to kill off the tanks of ByuN EffOrt saves his 4th base fungals and IT being thrown out ByuN is forced back 5th base started for EffOrt drop in the natural of EffOrt Ultras started for EffOrt adrenal glands for EffOrt chitinous plating for EffOrt +3 range attack for EffOrt ByuN attacking towards the 4th of EffOrt
20:00 155 vs 162 ByuN gets fungaled the 4th base of EffOrt falls +1 melee started for EffOrt +2 vehicle weapons for ByuN drop at the 5th of EffOrt lings save the 5th of EffOrt but it is in the red
On June 06 2013 20:50 Vega62a wrote: Casters were making it sound way more over than it is.
It's very common for someone to get a lead early in the game, then they just go with it all game long, regardless of what happens
It wasn't really a lead though. I was sitting there the whole time leading up to that first roach attack thinking "What are you saying, Wolf? He's going to be completely fine."
Jesus christ what the hell was that engagement from Effort.
0:00 ByuN spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt CC first on the low ground for ByuN drone scouts the CC first drone harassing the building scv on the CC rax for ByuN pool for EffOrt
3:00 gas for EffOrt gas for ByuN
4:00 bunker in the natural for ByuN factory for ByuN reactor for ByuN
5:00 2 more rax for ByuN hidden in the back of his base 2nd gas for ByuN overlord speed for EffOrt
6:00 3rd base for EffOrt Roach warren for EffOrt reactored hellion production for ByuN ebay for ByuN overlord flying into the main of ByuN as speed finishes stim research started for ByuN double reactored rax for ByuN overlord misses the other 2 rax
7:00 46 vs 59 hellions scout the 3rd of EffOrt overlord comes back in and scouts everything of ByuN +1 attack for ByuN roaches started for EffOrt evo for EffOrt another gas for EffOrt Starport for ByuN
8:00 62 vs 74 +1 range attack for EffOrt lair for EffOrt Marauders for ByuN double medivac production started for ByuN widow mines started for ByuN
9:00 86 vs 93 Roach speed for EffOrt overlord scouts the army of ByuN starting to move out Hydralisk den for Effrt combat shields for ByuN spores going up for EffOrt 3rd CC for ByuN
10:00 105 vs 111 marines cleaning up creep hellion runby at the 3rd is denied by roaches EffOrt's roaches force back the main army of ByuN ByuN lifts his marines and drops the main of EffOrt +1 armor for ByuN 2 more rax for ByuN hydra range for EffOrt EffOrt forces the drop out of his main hellions denied from the 3rd again
11:00 110 vs 126 reinforcements are rallied wrong and being killed by roaches in the middle of the map EffOrt counter attacking with his roaches Bunker in the natural falls ByuN's army returns home and helps push the roaches away tanks started for ByuN
12:00 117 vs 115 4th base for effOrt hydras started for EffOrt +1 carapace for EffOrt +2 range attack for EffOrt Hydra speed for EffOrt armory for ByuN 2nd ebay for ByuN hellion runby to the natural of EffOrt is cleaned up
13:00 135 vs 158 ByuN moving out on the map again 3rd base of ByuN is landed now Roaches and hydras chasing back the bio of ByuN +2 attack started for ByuN +2 armor started for ByuN ling runby forces a lift on the 3rd of ByuN creep block at the 3rd of ByuN
14:00 149 vs 159 +1 vehicle weapons for ByuN Hive for EffOrt +2 carapace for EffOrt pathogen gladns for EffOrt
15:00 171 vs 162 ByuN finally lands his 3rd again 2nd factory for ByuN infestors started for EffOrt 3 more rax for ByuN drop at the 4th of EffOrt
16:00 175 vs 185 drops at the 4th and main of EffOrt are forced away ByuN moving across the map fungal from EffOrt hits the bi of ByuN
17:00 180 vs 184 Vipers coming out for EffOrt 3-3 started for ByuN roach runby to the 3rd of ByuN ling speed for EffOrt ByuN pushing the 4th of EffOrt ultralisk cavern for EffOrt the vipers are killed off blinding cloud manages to get on the tanks before it does
18:00 163 vs 174 EffOrt pushing back the army of ByuN ByuN sieges his tanks again and the hydras are cleaned up more infestors and roaches coming out for EffOrt ByuN pushing the 4th of EfOrt again infestors dont have any energy
19:00 172 v 179 roach reinforcements arrive and EffOrt is able to kill off the tanks of ByuN EffOrt saves his 4th base fungals and IT being thrown out ByuN is forced back 5th base started for EffOrt drop in the natural of EffOrt Ultras started for EffOrt adrenal glands for EffOrt chitinous plating for EffOrt +3 range attack for EffOrt ByuN attacking towards the 4th of EffOrt
20:00 155 vs 162 ByuN gets fungaled the 4th base of EffOrt falls +1 melee started for EffOrt +2 vehicle weapons for ByuN drop at the 5th of EffOrt lings save the 5th of EffOrt but it is in the red
21:00 179 vs 173 4th base restarted for EffOrt ling runby to the 3rd of ByuN 4th base for ByuN drop in the main of EffOrt is cleaned up drop at the 5th of EffOrt
22:00 178 vs 192 5th of EffOrt is killed concussive shells for ByuN vipers rebuilding for EffOrt ByuN pushing the 5th of EffOrt as it rebuilds 5th is canceled
23:00 190 vs 176 +3 carapace started for EffOrt EffOrt putting up static defense at his 4th ByuN moving back towards the 4th base where EffOrt's army is waiting fungals on the army of ByuN blinding cloud on the tanks of ByuN not all the tanks get covered
24:00 189 vs 155 EffOrt takes heavy losses from the tanks ByuN looking to land a 4th base but it's creep blocked Ultras and hydras flank the tanks of ByuN but ByuN still holds off the army 4th of EffOrt is killed Spire finishes for EfOrt
25:00 200 vs 99 EffOrt taking huge losses at his former 4th 5th of EffOrt rebuilding ByuN pushing into the 3rd of EffOrt Ultras counter attacking the 4th of ByuN before the PF finishes drones evacuate the 3rd of EffOrt 3rd of EffOrt is killed 4th of ByuN lifts ByuN rallying units to his 3rd to defend vs ultras byun pushing into the natural of EffOrt EffOrt loses the rest of his ultras EffOrt ggs! ByuN wins and finishes with a 1-3 record
I wonder why did super stay in WCS Korea, finale (NOT DUCKDEOK) and tails went to EU and are now in premier league while super has no where to go but code A.
On June 06 2013 21:01 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why did super stay in WCS Korea, finale (NOT DUCKDEOK) and tails went to EU and are now in premier league while super has no where to go but code A.
[Up/Down] Group D WCS KR S2 2013 Super (1-2) vs ParalyzE (2-1) Map: Daybreak **If ParalyzE wins, he advances to Premier. If Super wins, EffOrt advances to Premier**
0:00 Super spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
On June 06 2013 21:01 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why did super stay in WCS Korea, finale (NOT DUCKDEOK) and tails went to EU and are now in premier league while super has no where to go but code A.
maybe they did an in-house tournament to determine who they could send to wcs am/eu within their budget
On June 06 2013 21:01 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why did super stay in WCS Korea, finale (NOT DUCKDEOK) and tails went to EU and are now in premier league while super has no where to go but code A.
Self respect? :p
Finale and tails could potentially make a loss on the accommodation and flight tickets
[Up/Down] Group D WCS KR S2 2013 Super (1-2) vs ParalyzE (2-1) Map: Daybreak **If ParalyzE wins, he advances to Premier. If Super wins, EffOrt advances to Premier**
0:00 Super spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for both players cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for both players stalker for both players mothership core for both players
4:00 2 more stalkers for each player Stargate for Super
5:00 Nexus for Paralyze mothership of Super is denied by stalkers from scouting the main of Paralyze oracle for Super Robo for Paralyze
On June 06 2013 21:01 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why did super stay in WCS Korea, finale (NOT DUCKDEOK) and tails went to EU and are now in premier league while super has no where to go but code A.
Self respect? :p
Finale and tails could potentially make a loss on the accommodation and flight tickets
Finale and tails said they're LoL players playing in LCS EU so the MVP sponsors gave them the money.
On June 06 2013 21:01 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why did super stay in WCS Korea, finale (NOT DUCKDEOK) and tails went to EU and are now in premier league while super has no where to go but code A.
At the exact moment when it was time to send people in Europe, Super looked very good... Probably good enough in their eyes that he could start to perform well even in Korea.
[Up/Down] Group D WCS KR S2 2013 Super (1-2) vs ParalyzE (2-1) Map: Daybreak **If ParalyzE wins, he advances to Premier. If Super wins, EffOrt advances to Premier**
0:00 Super spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for both players cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for both players stalker for both players mothership core for both players
4:00 2 more stalkers for each player Stargate for Super
5:00 Nexus for Paralyze mothership of Super is denied by stalkers from scouting the main of Paralyze oracle for Super Robo for Paralyze
6:00 Nexus for Super Robo for Super probe scouts the main of Super and sees all of the tech forcefields catch the stalkers of Super but only 1 dies oracle in the main of Paralyze
7:00 S 38 vs P 37 6 probes are killed by the oracle stalkers chase the oracle away immortal production started for Super observer for Paralyze oracle tries to come back into the main but backs off when seeing stalkers
8:00 S 54 vs P 49 2nd immortal for Super 2nd observer for Paralyze forge for Paralyze immortal production started for Paralyze
9:00 S 67 vs P 61 stalkers catch the oracle moving towards the natural and kill it Robo bay for Super +1 attack for Paralyze forge for Super
10:00 S 72 vs P 71 Colossus production started for Super Extended thermal lance research started for Super another gate for Super +1 attack started for Super Robo bay for Paralyze 2nd Robo for Paralyze 3rd base for Super
[Up/Down] Group D WCS KR S2 2013 Super (1-2) vs ParalyzE (2-1) Map: Daybreak **If ParalyzE wins, he advances to Premier. If Super wins, EffOrt advances to Premier**
0:00 Super spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for both players cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for both players stalker for both players mothership core for both players
4:00 2 more stalkers for each player Stargate for Super
5:00 Nexus for Paralyze mothership of Super is denied by stalkers from scouting the main of Paralyze oracle for Super Robo for Paralyze
6:00 Nexus for Super Robo for Super probe scouts the main of Super and sees all of the tech forcefields catch the stalkers of Super but only 1 dies oracle in the main of Paralyze
7:00 S 38 vs P 37 6 probes are killed by the oracle stalkers chase the oracle away immortal production started for Super observer for Paralyze oracle tries to come back into the main but backs off when seeing stalkers
8:00 S 54 vs P 49 2nd immortal for Super 2nd observer for Paralyze forge for Paralyze immortal production started for Paralyze
9:00 S 67 vs P 61 stalkers catch the oracle moving towards the natural and kill it Robo bay for Super +1 attack for Paralyze forge for Super
10:00 S 72 vs P 71 Colossus production started for Super Extended thermal lance research started for Super another gate for Super +1 attack started for Super Robo bay for Paralyze 2nd Robo for Paralyze 3rd base for Super
11:00 S 86 vs P 83 2nd robo for Super Twilight council for both players 3rd base for Paralyze Colossus production started for Paralyze Paralyze moving towards the 3rd of Super with a small army Super repositions his defenses double colossus production for Super
12:00 S 94 vs P 100 Extended thermal lance research for Paralyze fleet beacon for Super +2 attack started for Paralyze hallucinated phoenix scouts the fleet beacon
13:00 S 114 vs P 118 charge research for Super double colossus production for Super +2 attack for Super Tempest production started for Super Templar archives for Paralyze 4th base for Super
14:00 S 130 vs P 119 8 more gates for Paralyze 3 more gates for Super charge research started for Paralyze Super switching back to immortal production
15:00 S 152 vs P 135 archons being added in for Paralyze Paralyze hallucinates 4 colossi 2 tempests are out Paralyze attacking at the 4th of Super photon overcharge on the 4th nexus
[Up/Down] Group D WCS KR S2 2013 Super (1-2) vs ParalyzE (2-1) Map: Daybreak **If ParalyzE wins, he advances to Premier. If Super wins, EffOrt advances to Premier**
0:00 Super spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for both players cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for both players stalker for both players mothership core for both players
4:00 2 more stalkers for each player Stargate for Super
5:00 Nexus for Paralyze mothership of Super is denied by stalkers from scouting the main of Paralyze oracle for Super Robo for Paralyze
6:00 Nexus for Super Robo for Super probe scouts the main of Super and sees all of the tech forcefields catch the stalkers of Super but only 1 dies oracle in the main of Paralyze
7:00 S 38 vs P 37 6 probes are killed by the oracle stalkers chase the oracle away immortal production started for Super observer for Paralyze oracle tries to come back into the main but backs off when seeing stalkers
8:00 S 54 vs P 49 2nd immortal for Super 2nd observer for Paralyze forge for Paralyze immortal production started for Paralyze
9:00 S 67 vs P 61 stalkers catch the oracle moving towards the natural and kill it Robo bay for Super +1 attack for Paralyze forge for Super
10:00 S 72 vs P 71 Colossus production started for Super Extended thermal lance research started for Super another gate for Super +1 attack started for Super Robo bay for Paralyze 2nd Robo for Paralyze 3rd base for Super
11:00 S 86 vs P 83 2nd robo for Super Twilight council for both players 3rd base for Paralyze Colossus production started for Paralyze Paralyze moving towards the 3rd of Super with a small army Super repositions his defenses double colossus production for Super
12:00 S 94 vs P 100 Extended thermal lance research for Paralyze fleet beacon for Super +2 attack started for Paralyze hallucinated phoenix scouts the fleet beacon
13:00 S 114 vs P 118 charge research for Super double colossus production for Super +2 attack for Super Tempest production started for Super Templar archives for Paralyze 4th base for Super
14:00 S 130 vs P 119 8 more gates for Paralyze 3 more gates for Super charge research started for Paralyze Super switching back to immortal production
15:00 S 152 vs P 135 archons being added in for Paralyze Paralyze hallucinates 4 colossi 2 tempests are out Paralyze attacking at the 4th of Super photon overcharge on the 4th nexus
16:00 S 140 vs P 105 Paralyze's army gets shit on Super takes a huge supply lead Paralyze down to 2 colossi vs 6 and 2 tempests super counter attacking +3 attack started for Super
17:00 S 168 vs P 145 Super attacking at the 3rd of Paralyze Tempests killing the last colossi of Paralyze Super breaking through at the 3rd Paralyze ggs! Super wins to improve to 2-2 but EffOrt advances on tiebreakers!
And here are final stats throughout the GSL history:
Terrans doing worse than ever. Protoss unable to bring more than 10 players into Code S. Lings off liberty refusing to fade away even the slightest bit.
On June 06 2013 21:17 dustinth wrote: ... Effort advance. Though I want that, but I expect more from him.
He's looked shaky in group stages all the time. The endless tie breaker was against go.go and shine. Like seriously? go.go and shine? In 2010? Finalists typically stomp players like that.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
It's not really fair, just saves time. Three people got the same number of wins and only one advances despite losing to people the others beat. The only fair method for a three way tie is playing more games.
Terrans get fewer and fewer with each GSL as expected after all the whining. Protoss and Zergs are almost equal in numbers. And David Kim still wants to buff Protoss...Except Innovation and Flash all the other Terrans are mediocre with no chance whatsoever to win a GSL. Protoss players will eliminate Terrans then they will lose to Zergs. There is a very big probability that the next GSL champion will be a Zerg again.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
On June 06 2013 21:40 p14c wrote: Terrans get fewer and fewer with each GSL as expected after all the whining. Protoss and Zergs are almost equal in numbers. And David Kim still wants to buff Protoss...Except Innovation and Flash all the other Terrans are mediocre with no chance whatsoever to win a GSL. Protoss players will eliminate Terrans then they will lose to Zergs. There is a very big probability that the next GSL champion will be a Zerg again.
Litteraly a month ago, terran couldn't lose to protoss and protoss couldn't lose to zerg. The game changes. Don't be a prophet for no reason.
On June 06 2013 21:40 p14c wrote: Terrans get fewer and fewer with each GSL as expected after all the whining. Protoss and Zergs are almost equal in numbers. And David Kim still wants to buff Protoss...Except Innovation and Flash all the other Terrans are mediocre with no chance whatsoever to win a GSL. Protoss players will eliminate Terrans then they will lose to Zergs. There is a very big probability that the next GSL champion will be a Zerg again.
Litteraly a month ago, terran couldn't lose to protoss and protoss couldn't lose to zerg. The game changes. Don't be a prophet for no reason.
On June 06 2013 21:40 p14c wrote: Terrans get fewer and fewer with each GSL as expected after all the whining. Protoss and Zergs are almost equal in numbers. And David Kim still wants to buff Protoss...Except Innovation and Flash all the other Terrans are mediocre with no chance whatsoever to win a GSL. Protoss players will eliminate Terrans then they will lose to Zergs. There is a very big probability that the next GSL champion will be a Zerg again.
Litteraly a month ago, terran couldn't lose to protoss and protoss couldn't lose to zerg. The game changes. Don't be a prophet for no reason.
There was no time Protoss couldn't lose to Zerg.
You're confusing reality and this forum's opinion...
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
On June 06 2013 21:40 p14c wrote: Terrans get fewer and fewer with each GSL as expected after all the whining. Protoss and Zergs are almost equal in numbers. And David Kim still wants to buff Protoss...Except Innovation and Flash all the other Terrans are mediocre with no chance whatsoever to win a GSL. Protoss players will eliminate Terrans then they will lose to Zergs. There is a very big probability that the next GSL champion will be a Zerg again.
Litteraly a month ago, terran couldn't lose to protoss and protoss couldn't lose to zerg. The game changes. Don't be a prophet for no reason.
I've been a prophet since Hots beta. I understood then that the new Terran units are gimmicky and they will get figured out soon. Already Zerg and Protoss players know how to properly defend drops.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
No, it's fair than your case, if the best player lose to someone intentionally when he know he will advance. That would not be fair. Though it's not the case for today.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Exactly. And there's luck involved. There's a reason games aren't played Bo1 other than in Up&Downs. If beating someone once was enough to prove you're better whenever in the final game in group play players who played each other faced off again the guy who won the first time would be given an automatic walk over, but obviously we don't do that.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Nothing is 100% fair. Even if a BO100 was played by every players pair in the group, luck and tiebreaker can still happen.
And tiebreaker is more unfair in today's situation, because Effort already beat both of them, why should there be a tiebreaker?
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Exactly. And there's luck involved. There's a reason games aren't played Bo1 other than in Up&Downs. If beating someone once was enough to prove you're better whenever in the final game in group play players who played each other faced off again the guy who won the first time would be given an automatic walk over, but obviously we don't do that.
Ask them nicely maybe they play it out just for you
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Tiebreaker is more unfair, because Effort already beat both of them, why should there be a tiebreaker?
Because there is such a thing as luck involved, and he lost to players they couldn't beat. I mean did you see his game versus Super? The reason super lost is fail recall and no cannons at his nat being the thing that forced that fail recall. By your logic all games should be played Bo1.
On June 06 2013 21:38 illidanx wrote: so how many kespa and how many esf in code S?
Funnily, Terran and Zerg are exactly at 50/50, and two more kespa Protosses (surprise). Of course, if you stay true to the kespa vs esf "lore" about BW players vs SC2 players, then Parting counts as esf, which makes all races exactly equally distributed. But I´m sure someone will figure out a way to get some kind of rage out of it.
The way the tiebreaker is set up is you take the tied players and put them in a minipool. in that minipool, effort is 2-0, super is 1-1, and paralyze is 0-2. that's just the way the rules are.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Tiebreaker is more unfair, because Effort already beat both of them, why should there be a tiebreaker?
Because there is such a thing as luck involved, and he lost to players they couldn't beat. I mean did you see his game versus Super? The reason super lost is fail recall and no cannons at his nat being the thing that forced that fail recall. By your logic all games should be played Bo1.
I didn't see any logic similar between your case and his case.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Tiebreaker is more unfair, because Effort already beat both of them, why should there be a tiebreaker?
Because there is such a thing as luck involved, and he lost to players they couldn't beat. I mean did you see his game versus Super? The reason super lost is fail recall and no cannons at his nat being the thing that forced that fail recall. By your logic all games should be played Bo1.
If you say luck is not fair, then you can play BO1001 for every sereis, it's still not gonna be 100% fair.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
tiebreaker rules are always a reason for complaining. They both know the rule beforehand and both had equal chances so you can say it's fair no matter what. head to head score between tied players is the only effective option in these small groups and I think it's fine really. There is a point to be made that games against the top players or the bottom should be less important because they are often played with less on the line.
On June 06 2013 22:04 Shellshock1122 wrote: The way the tiebreaker is set up is you take the tied players and put them in a minipool. in that minipool, effort is 2-0, super is 1-1, and paralyze is 0-2. that's just the way the rules are.
Yes, that's a fair rule in many other sports games.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Tiebreaker is more unfair, because Effort already beat both of them, why should there be a tiebreaker?
Because there is such a thing as luck involved, and he lost to players they couldn't beat. I mean did you see his game versus Super? The reason super lost is fail recall and no cannons at his nat being the thing that forced that fail recall. By your logic all games should be played Bo1.
If you say luck is not fair, then you can play BO1001 for every sereis, it's still not gonna be 100% fair.
You're being a baby and taking what I said way out of proportion. I said luck is too much for one game, then you take that out of proportion suggesting that because of my theory on luck we should play Bo10001. And you've changed the subject from the fact their wins and losses we're even.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
tiebreaker rules are always a reason for complaining. They both know the rule beforehand and both had equal chances so you can say it's fair no matter what. head to head score between tied players is the only effective option in these small groups and I think it's fine really. There is a point to be made that games against the top players or the bottom should be less important because they are often played with less on the line.
Just because they both knew the rules doesn't make it fair. It's not like there was an alternative tournament where there wasn't a head to head rule. It's like if I made a tournament where the loser was thrown off a cliff, would that be fair because everyone knew the rules before they signed up?
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
tiebreaker rules are always a reason for complaining. They both know the rule beforehand and both had equal chances so you can say it's fair no matter what. head to head score between tied players is the only effective option in these small groups and I think it's fine really. There is a point to be made that games against the top players or the bottom should be less important because they are often played with less on the line.
Just because they both knew the rules doesn't make it fair. It's not like there was an alternative tournament where there wasn't a head to head rule. It's like if I made a tournament where the loser was thrown off a cliff, would that be fair because everyone knew the rules before they signed up?
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
tiebreaker rules are always a reason for complaining. They both know the rule beforehand and both had equal chances so you can say it's fair no matter what. head to head score between tied players is the only effective option in these small groups and I think it's fine really. There is a point to be made that games against the top players or the bottom should be less important because they are often played with less on the line.
Just because they both knew the rules doesn't make it fair. It's not like there was an alternative tournament where there wasn't a head to head rule. It's like if I made a tournament where the loser was thrown off a cliff, would that be fair because everyone knew the rules before they signed up?
yeah i actually think that would be pretty fair so long as it's legal and they gave informed consent haha
On June 06 2013 22:10 Zenbrez wrote: Nobody is going to convince anybody, and GSL aint changing it. So no need to discuss imo.
Yep you're right, GLS has never changed format before to make things fairer, that's why we still play one single elimination 64 player tournament right?
Things are changed exactly when they are unfair and people complain.
On June 06 2013 22:10 Zenbrez wrote: Nobody is going to convince anybody, and GSL aint changing it. So no need to discuss imo.
Yep you're right, GLS has never changed format before to make things fairer, that's why we still play one single elimination 64 player tournament right?
Things are changed exactly when they are unfair and people complain.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Exactly. And there's luck involved. There's a reason games aren't played Bo1 other than in Up&Downs. If beating someone once was enough to prove you're better whenever in the final game in group play players who played each other faced off again the guy who won the first time would be given an automatic walk over, but obviously we don't do that.
You make it sound like there's no luck involved in a Bo3. That's pretty funny actually.
Maybe we should play a Best of [x], and let them play until the best player is ahead in the series? Of course, we would have come to you before the match to ask you who the best player is.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
tiebreaker rules are always a reason for complaining. They both know the rule beforehand and both had equal chances so you can say it's fair no matter what. head to head score between tied players is the only effective option in these small groups and I think it's fine really. There is a point to be made that games against the top players or the bottom should be less important because they are often played with less on the line.
Just because they both knew the rules doesn't make it fair. It's not like there was an alternative tournament where there wasn't a head to head rule. It's like if I made a tournament where the loser was thrown off a cliff, would that be fair because everyone knew the rules before they signed up?
yeah i actually think that would be pretty fair so long as it's legal and they gave informed consent haha
That's a brilliant idea!
- "Well, I think we hadn't seen the last of him in the GSL!" - "Actually, Tasteless, I think we had..."
On June 06 2013 21:25 energized wrote: [quote] Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Tiebreaker is more unfair, because Effort already beat both of them, why should there be a tiebreaker?
Because there is such a thing as luck involved, and he lost to players they couldn't beat. I mean did you see his game versus Super? The reason super lost is fail recall and no cannons at his nat being the thing that forced that fail recall. By your logic all games should be played Bo1.
If you say luck is not fair, then you can play BO1001 for every sereis, it's still not gonna be 100% fair.
You're being a baby and taking what I said way out of proportion. I said luck is too much for one game, then you take that out of proportion suggesting that because of my theory on luck we should play Bo10001. And you've changed the subject from the fact their wins and losses we're even.
Luck is always part of game, every champion is lucky in someway. If you are lucky, you deserve to advance.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Exactly. And there's luck involved. There's a reason games aren't played Bo1 other than in Up&Downs. If beating someone once was enough to prove you're better whenever in the final game in group play players who played each other faced off again the guy who won the first time would be given an automatic walk over, but obviously we don't do that.
You make it sound like there's no luck involved in a Bo3. That's pretty funny actually.
Maybe we should play a Best of [x], and let them play until the best player is ahead in the series? Of course, we would have come to you before the match to ask you who the best player is.
That's not what I meant and you know that, writing things like that only makes you look bad.
On June 06 2013 21:19 scypio wrote: And here are final stats throughout the GSL history:
Terrans doing worse than ever. Protoss unable to bring more than 10 players into Code S. Lings off liberty refusing to fade away even the slightest bit.
First season since the very first Open Season to have more Protoss than Terran. And I'm not sure you can really count it either, since its not a normal GSL Code S because it'll be hosted by OSL. -_-
Sad Zealot just cannot catch a break with GOM it seems.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
tiebreaker rules are always a reason for complaining. They both know the rule beforehand and both had equal chances so you can say it's fair no matter what. head to head score between tied players is the only effective option in these small groups and I think it's fine really. There is a point to be made that games against the top players or the bottom should be less important because they are often played with less on the line.
Just because they both knew the rules doesn't make it fair. It's not like there was an alternative tournament where there wasn't a head to head rule. It's like if I made a tournament where the loser was thrown off a cliff, would that be fair because everyone knew the rules before they signed up?
Just read Shellshock's a post a replies up. Makes perfect sense and you should not be complaining anymore.
On June 06 2013 21:19 scypio wrote: And here are final stats throughout the GSL history:
Terrans doing worse than ever. Protoss unable to bring more than 10 players into Code S. Lings off liberty refusing to fade away even the slightest bit.
First season since the very first Open Season to have more Protoss than Terran. And I'm not sure you can really count it either, since its not a normal GSL Code S because it'll be hosted by OSL. -_-
Sad Zealot just cannot catch a break with GOM it seems.
Well WCS KR was run by GOM last year, protoss did pretty well there haha
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
Exactly. And there's luck involved. There's a reason games aren't played Bo1 other than in Up&Downs. If beating someone once was enough to prove you're better whenever in the final game in group play players who played each other faced off again the guy who won the first time would be given an automatic walk over, but obviously we don't do that.
You make it sound like there's no luck involved in a Bo3. That's pretty funny actually.
Maybe we should play a Best of [x], and let them play until the best player is ahead in the series? Of course, we would have come to you before the match to ask you who the best player is.
That's not what I meant and you know that, writing things like that only makes you look bad.
What you meant is "I'm sad Super hasn't advanced, goddamnit". The rest is just semantics, and semantics are boring.
Discussing shit like tiebreaker rules in a LR thread after it happened makes you look like an angry fanboy. I'm not saying anyone is an angry fanboy, but this isn't the place to have that discussion. If it really matters to someone, they should wait a couple of days to cool down and make a reasoned thread about it.
Otherwise it very much looks like "waaaah my player lost, change the rules!"
On June 06 2013 22:22 SgtCoDFish wrote: Discussing shit like tiebreaker rules in a LR thread after it happened makes you look like an angry fanboy. I'm not saying anyone is an angry fanboy, but this isn't the place to have that discussion. If it really matters to someone, they should wait a couple of days to cool down and make a reasoned thread about it.
Otherwise it very much looks like "waaaah my player lost, change the rules!"
Wanting people to advance fairly, obviously I'm the angry fanboy. Nice veiled insults.
On June 06 2013 22:22 SgtCoDFish wrote: Discussing shit like tiebreaker rules in a LR thread after it happened makes you look like an angry fanboy. I'm not saying anyone is an angry fanboy, but this isn't the place to have that discussion. If it really matters to someone, they should wait a couple of days to cool down and make a reasoned thread about it.
Otherwise it very much looks like "waaaah my player lost, change the rules!"
Wanting people to advance fairly, obviously I'm the angry fanboy. Nice veiled insults.
On June 06 2013 22:22 SgtCoDFish wrote: Discussing shit like tiebreaker rules in a LR thread after it happened makes you look like an angry fanboy. I'm not saying anyone is an angry fanboy, but this isn't the place to have that discussion. If it really matters to someone, they should wait a couple of days to cool down and make a reasoned thread about it.
Otherwise it very much looks like "waaaah my player lost, change the rules!"
Wanting people to advance fairly, obviously I'm the angry fanboy. Nice veiled insults.
Then what would you do with today's situation, tiebreaker? How's that fair to Effort?
On June 06 2013 22:22 SgtCoDFish wrote: Discussing shit like tiebreaker rules in a LR thread after it happened makes you look like an angry fanboy. I'm not saying anyone is an angry fanboy, but this isn't the place to have that discussion. If it really matters to someone, they should wait a couple of days to cool down and make a reasoned thread about it.
Otherwise it very much looks like "waaaah my player lost, change the rules!"
Wanting people to advance fairly, obviously I'm the angry fanboy. Nice veiled insults.
On June 06 2013 22:22 SgtCoDFish wrote: Discussing shit like tiebreaker rules in a LR thread after it happened makes you look like an angry fanboy. I'm not saying anyone is an angry fanboy, but this isn't the place to have that discussion. If it really matters to someone, they should wait a couple of days to cool down and make a reasoned thread about it.
Otherwise it very much looks like "waaaah my player lost, change the rules!"
Wanting people to advance fairly, obviously I'm the angry fanboy. Nice veiled insults.
No, bringing it up after it happens makes you look like an angry fanboy. And jumping to conclusions doesn't help either.
Like I said, you'll convince no-one here. If you really feel strongly, make a thread in a couple of days when the dust has settled. I think in general you'll struggle to convince anyone, but hey, go ahead.
To take a random example: when watching football (soccer) with my dad, he'll have angry outbursts to decisions he views as bad on the spot, but in a couple of days he'll see that the decision was correct even though it was against his team.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
On June 06 2013 22:22 SgtCoDFish wrote: Discussing shit like tiebreaker rules in a LR thread after it happened makes you look like an angry fanboy. I'm not saying anyone is an angry fanboy, but this isn't the place to have that discussion. If it really matters to someone, they should wait a couple of days to cool down and make a reasoned thread about it.
Otherwise it very much looks like "waaaah my player lost, change the rules!"
Wanting people to advance fairly, obviously I'm the angry fanboy. Nice veiled insults.
No, bringing it up after it happens makes you look like an angry fanboy. And jumping to conclusions doesn't help either.
Like I said, you'll convince no-one here. If you really feel strongly, make a thread in a couple of days when the dust has settled. I think in general you'll struggle to convince anyone, but hey, go ahead.
To take a random example: when watching football (soccer) with my dad, he'll have angry outbursts to decisions he views as bad on the spot, but in a couple of days he'll see that the decision was correct even though it was against his team.
Lol? CJ Entus is one my favorite teams. My Twitch handle is hitesparkyz and I don't even like MVP, who've had like 4 players now not succeed in the Up & Downs. But an unfair win for my player is just as bad as an unfair loss. Don't assume I'm doing this from some misguided fanboyism for Super. The problem of head to head tiebreakers persists no matter who advances. I just didn't know GSL used them until now.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
Why would I insult you when people can just read your post instead.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
Why would I insult you when people can just read your post instead.
Oh good one. Such great veiled insults. Stings real hard bro.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o
A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. Looking at the overall win/loss record takes into account multiple results and gives a good measure of overall performance. Looking at head to head to determine the result seems like arbitrary data cherry picking.
While I don’t think head to head is ideal, I accept it, as I see it exists not to be fair, but to be a practical solution to a time restriction.
Head to head is a great system that has been around for ages. Deal with it. There is literally nothing wrong with it and one guy complaining in a LR thread will change nothing.
On June 06 2013 22:39 Irre wrote: So should it be sad marine or sad hellbat? :D
how about sad reaper? No! grim reaper!
We can form the Grim Reaper Club, at least it will sound cool :D
And we can pretend Terrans don't whine/cry like the other races, just bear the pain
Yeah, I can picture it... a dirty building somewhere in a middle of a desert. Faded "Kaboom!" poster pinned on the wall. Old people drinking cheap beer. - you remember that day, 19th of May 2012? - yeah mate... I do... it was this guy over there - points at the poster. - Haha, you remember game 7? He did it... with a fucking 2-rax! The last terran Code S victory. - Good times, good times...
On June 07 2013 00:01 RPR_Tempest wrote: Head to head is a great system that has been around for ages. Deal with it. There is literally nothing wrong with it and one guy complaining in a LR thread will change nothing.
Try reading some other posts before jumping in with a massive generalisation and dismissing people who've actually given it some thought. The U&D tiebreak system is not a particularly fair way of doing it but if they don't want to run additional games, more often, then there's no truly fair way of breaking a tie. H2H works great in some formats but in this instance it doesn't. I'm happy Effort advanced but U&D's has always been a crapshoot with Bo1's and an arbitrary tiebreak method.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o
A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. Looking at the overall win/loss record takes into account multiple results and gives a good measure of overall performance. Looking at head to head to determine the result seems like arbitrary data cherry picking.
While I don’t think head to head is ideal, I accept it, as I see it exists not to be fair, but to be a practical solution to a time restriction.
H2H talk always comes up in tie breaker talks. It's fair and the best way. It's used in north American sports and we have the best sports and rules. :p
On June 07 2013 00:01 RPR_Tempest wrote: Head to head is a great system that has been around for ages. Deal with it. There is literally nothing wrong with it and one guy complaining in a LR thread will change nothing.
Try reading some other posts before jumping in with a massive generalisation and dismissing people who've actually given it some thought. The U&D tiebreak system is not a particularly fair way of doing it but if they don't want to run additional games, more often, then there's no truly fair way of breaking a tie. H2H works great in some formats but in this instance it doesn't. I'm happy Effort advanced but U&D's has always been a crapshoot with Bo1's and an arbitrary tiebreak method.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o
A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. Looking at the overall win/loss record takes into account multiple results and gives a good measure of overall performance. Looking at head to head to determine the result seems like arbitrary data cherry picking.
While I don’t think head to head is ideal, I accept it, as I see it exists not to be fair, but to be a practical solution to a time restriction.
Great post
I don't agree this argument, winning strongest player doesn't mean he is better since the strongest player may already advance, so as to winning weakest player in the group, I am not saying it's always the case, but it happens. That's the major reason why we only count H2H result when tiebreaking. It seems to me it's more fair. And I didn't see much difference between SC2 and other sports games from this perspective.
On June 06 2013 23:50 Aphid wrote: A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation.
I know you're using fake logic to prove your point, but the fake logic you're using doesn't actually work. If Effort beats Byun and goes 3-1 instead of 2-2, there's no tiebreaker, but Paralyze has still beaten Curious. This information is relevant in the match-up between Curious and Paralyze, but that match-up doesn't (and shouldn't) matter here.
A group's results are a combination of several good and bad results. You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through.", because on one side there's the good things he made and on the other there's the bad things he made, and they equalize.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o
A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. Looking at the overall win/loss record takes into account multiple results and gives a good measure of overall performance. Looking at head to head to determine the result seems like arbitrary data cherry picking.
While I don’t think head to head is ideal, I accept it, as I see it exists not to be fair, but to be a practical solution to a time restriction.
Let's say that three players are tied in mapscore. Only one of these players can advance. How do you determine who advances? You have tiebreakers where one of those players must beat the other two. In last night's case, Effort had already beat the other two players.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not.
How is this even debatable?
Oh "training". HuK is Korean right?
So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know.
EG-TL aren't part of the Kespa organisation, so no.
???
But their coach which is what matters for a team is a legendary kespa coach. They are taking part in the Kespa team league instead of the ESF teamleague. HerO plays with kespa players more than ESF players. So ????
The whole argument is retarded. The only way to actually distinguish Kespa and ESF is if they only benefited from one majority party for their career. People who hop around and then get instantly referred to an organization when it's ambiguous whether they benefited from that organization is discrediting that person's hard work. Someone like Bogus or Flash is unambiguously Kespa. If you actually want to make a comparison between the training regiment, team environment or organizational environment or who influences their decision making you have to go to that basis and not look at in between. It's as silly as calling Yugioh a foreign player a week after he gets picked up and hasn't even left Korea yet.
On June 06 2013 21:24 Gorribal wrote: Wtf? WHy didn't they play tiebreakers?
Maybe if you look at the group results the answer will come to you. Just give it some time
Go be a condescending jerk somewhere else.
That's so stupid, so EffOrt has the same score but because he got lucky he advances. You caould make the arguement Paralyze and Super shoudl advance because they beatr players EffOrt didn't. Obviously whoever made this head to head rule has never heard of rock paper scissorts or luck or making small mistakes.
head to head is a very common and fair tiebreaker method, the only time there are complaints are when the fan favourite or something doesn't advance lol
Explain how it's fair.
How is it NOT fair. Say me and you are both 2-2 and I already beat you. Why should I have to beat you AGAIN to move on? Especially in this case, where effort already beat those two.
Paralyze beat the best player in the group whereas Effort didn't. They have the same W:L ratio. That's why it's not particularly fair.
On June 06 2013 23:50 Aphid wrote: A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation.
I know you're using fake logic to prove your point, but the fake logic you're using doesn't actually work. If Effort beats Byun and goes 3-1 instead of 2-2, there's no tiebreaker, but Paralyze has still beaten Curious. This information is relevant in the match-up between Curious and Paralyze, but that match-up doesn't (and shouldn't) matter here.
A group's results are a combination of several good and bad results. You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through.", because on one side there's the good things he made and on the other there's the bad things he made, and they equalize.
The point I was trying to make here as that looking at individual match-up results in isolation isn't ideal and is cherry picking. But we should however look at the overall win/loss of the night and not give additional emphasis on a randomly selected result (ie head to head or who beat the stronger player). Based on this I see Paralyze, Effort and Super are tied at the end of the night. I wasn't trying to say that Paralyze should have been selected over effort because of his win over Curious.
"You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through."". I totally agree, that was the idea I was trying to convey. I see looking at head to head as an example of looking at one particular result and not considering the bigger picture.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o
A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. Looking at the overall win/loss record takes into account multiple results and gives a good measure of overall performance. Looking at head to head to determine the result seems like arbitrary data cherry picking.
While I don’t think head to head is ideal, I accept it, as I see it exists not to be fair, but to be a practical solution to a time restriction.
Let's say that three players are tied in mapscore. Only one of these players can advance. How do you determine who advances? You have tiebreakers where one of those players must beat the other two. In last night's case, Effort had already beat the other two players.
I see this as both fair and practical.
In that case, Effort's head to head win is already counted for, it changed his position from being behind to being tied. To then upgrade his position from tied to ahead of those with the same mapscore would be to double count the value of the head to head win. Basically what I'm trying to get across is that a head to head win should be worth as much as any other win in the big scheme of things, in my opinion.
On June 06 2013 23:50 Aphid wrote: A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation.
I know you're using fake logic to prove your point, but the fake logic you're using doesn't actually work. If Effort beats Byun and goes 3-1 instead of 2-2, there's no tiebreaker, but Paralyze has still beaten Curious. This information is relevant in the match-up between Curious and Paralyze, but that match-up doesn't (and shouldn't) matter here.
A group's results are a combination of several good and bad results. You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through.", because on one side there's the good things he made and on the other there's the bad things he made, and they equalize.
The point I was trying to make here as that looking at individual match-up results in isolation isn't ideal and is cherry picking. But we should however look at the overall win/loss of the night and not give additional emphasis on a randomly selected result (ie head to head or who beat the stronger player). Based on this I see Paralyze, Effort and Super are tied and the end of the night. I wasn't trying to say that Paralyze should have been selected over effort because of his win over Curious.
"You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through."". I totally agree, that was the idea I was trying to convey. I see looking at head to head as an example of looking at one particular result and not considering the bigger picture.
On June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote: I think ByuN should have advanced, he was unlucky in his three losses but he beat effort, who advanced. how is this fair
Don't feed him pls :D
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro.
How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o
A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. Looking at the overall win/loss record takes into account multiple results and gives a good measure of overall performance. Looking at head to head to determine the result seems like arbitrary data cherry picking.
While I don’t think head to head is ideal, I accept it, as I see it exists not to be fair, but to be a practical solution to a time restriction.
Let's say that three players are tied in mapscore. Only one of these players can advance. How do you determine who advances? You have tiebreakers where one of those players must beat the other two. In last night's case, Effort had already beat the other two players.
I see this as both fair and practical.
In that case, Effort's head to head win is already counted for, it changed his position from being behind to being tied. To then upgrade his position from tied to ahead of those with the same mapscore would to be double count the value of the head to head win. Basically what I'm trying to get across is that a head to head win should be worth as much as any other win in the big scheme of things, in my opinion.
This is correct. There is no logical reason head to head should count for more than a win against other players. Why should Super's and Paralyze's wins against the opponents that Effort did not beat count for less? That is a totally arbitrary reason to determine who advances. I know its used in other competitions as well but that doesn't make it any more valid. They only do that to save time. Yes its a rule that everyone has agreed to, that's why there is no controversy. But from a fairness point of view, it doesn't make sense.
Sad to see Afrotoss not advance, especially after going 2-0 to start off. I much prefer effort advancing though between those two. With that said, why did effort go one of the worst styles ive seen pro korean zergs do in an important patch vs Byun? More importantly still, why do zergs go that style AT ALL? I can't remember a game it won to be honest. We knew from wings that roaches are bad against bio with stim and upgrades and hydras barely change that equation at all...Byun was a mess in this group and any even reasonably good style would have crushed him but effort picked a steaming pill of crap as a style.
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote: If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote: [quote]
There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that.
Next season, it will be between 16 and 18.
Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process.
I think you skipped a season somewhere in there
2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today.
Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too.
Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not.
How is this even debatable?
Oh "training". HuK is Korean right?
So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know.
EG-TL aren't part of the Kespa organisation, so no.
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But their coach which is what matters for a team is a legendary kespa coach. They are taking part in the Kespa team league instead of the ESF teamleague. HerO plays with kespa players more than ESF players. So ????
The whole argument is retarded. The only way to actually distinguish Kespa and ESF is if they only benefited from one majority party for their career. People who hop around and then get instantly referred to an organization when it's ambiguous whether they benefited from that organization is discrediting that person's hard work. Someone like Bogus or Flash is unambiguously Kespa. If you actually want to make a comparison between the training regiment, team environment or organizational environment or who influences their decision making you have to go to that basis and not look at in between. It's as silly as calling Yugioh a foreign player a week after he gets picked up and hasn't even left Korea yet.
this is very true, good job and well phrased
How in this world? Jesus. So. Cristiano Ronaldo isnt a spanish league player ? He is a premier league player? Mark gasol isnt a NBA player? Lewis Hamilton isnt a Mercedes driver? Jesus.
On June 07 2013 02:54 Aphid wrote: "You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through."". I totally agree, that was the idea I was trying to convey. I see looking at head to head as an example of looking at one particular result and not considering the bigger picture.
The difference is that the match-ups between Super, Paralyze and Effort actually hold weight in the equation, because they are the people who are tied in points. We are trying to decide which of Super, Paralyze and Effort "deserves" (obv not trying to say the others have no merit, you know what I mean) the most to get through, and the only way to do it is to focus on their match-ups. That's exactly what a tiebreaker is, a focus on their match-ups. Which brings me to, no, I wouldn't agree that looking at effort vs Paralyze (tied players) has the same level of relevance as looking at Curious vs Paralyze (non-tied players). Even more, I'd say that presenting the two match-ups as equal is an excellent example of not seeing the bigger picture.
On June 07 2013 05:24 Maghetti wrote: Sad to see Afrotoss not advance, especially after going 2-0 to start off. I much prefer effort advancing though between those two. With that said, why did effort go one of the worst styles ive seen pro korean zergs do in an important patch vs Byun? More importantly still, why do zergs go that style AT ALL? I can't remember a game it won to be honest. We knew from wings that roaches are bad against bio with stim and upgrades and hydras barely change that equation at all...Byun was a mess in this group and any even reasonably good style would have crushed him but effort picked a steaming pill of crap as a style.
I don't understand it either, at least against Bio. Even though Bel'shir is the best map to use it on, even though Effort played better overall, once Byun survived the first few waves I knew he was going to win.
It is really straightforward, it does have a window of time in which it's very powerful, and it's an easy transition out of defending hellions/hellbat drops.
But you're very vulnerable to drops, it hurts your ultralisk transition, and even in power the terran quickly catches up and will overpower you once he has the tank and medivac numbers.
On June 06 2013 23:50 Aphid wrote: A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation.
I know you're using fake logic to prove your point, but the fake logic you're using doesn't actually work. If Effort beats Byun and goes 3-1 instead of 2-2, there's no tiebreaker, but Paralyze has still beaten Curious. This information is relevant in the match-up between Curious and Paralyze, but that match-up doesn't (and shouldn't) matter here.
A group's results are a combination of several good and bad results. You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through.", because on one side there's the good things he made and on the other there's the bad things he made, and they equalize.
There's nothing fake about Aphid's logic, it's just your grasp of logic that's shaky. All information is relevant, picking any single game as being more important than the others, without the player's foreknowledge, is unfair. They are tied and you're still using a very arbitrary way of advancing one despite doing just as well in the group.
On June 07 2013 02:54 Aphid wrote: "You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through."". I totally agree, that was the idea I was trying to convey. I see looking at head to head as an example of looking at one particular result and not considering the bigger picture.
Even more, I'd say that presenting the two match-ups as equal is an excellent example of not seeing the bigger picture.
They are equal, a W:L of bo1's vs players in the group. Just because you happen to tie with the person who beat you shouldn't mean you had to beat 2 players the guy lost to.
A slightly fairer method would be legacy tiebreakers. Where players dropping from Code S advance over those rising from Code A. H2H only gives the illusion of fairness and saves time on extra games.
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How does being in a different training regiment affect it? KeSPA is an organization that oversees e-sports, and in SC2 there are 7 teams. If you're in one of those teams you're "a KeSPA-player". It goes that way in every sports that is out there, you're just saying your own subjective opinion who's what. Same way if you play hockey in various junior leagues in NA and then 15 years in NHL, then transfer to KHL, you no longer are a NHL-player but a KHL-player. It doesn't revoke your history but your current status changes.
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