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On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene. that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
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On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene. that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash. You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
then why isn't he here? ;p
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On June 05 2013 06:31 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene. that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash. You are joking? Flash is much stronger. then why isn't he here? ;p
He's too busy preparing for Proleague.
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I can see potentially only 2 or 3 zergs in the RO8 
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There so many good korean players it feels like a fraction of what it could be. I mean the case could be made the top proleague players should be in there if your trying to find the best. Flash, rain, life, parting and some others are probably deserving of being in there, but I guess you cant have everyone.
If I was in innovations group I think my strat is to roach baneling bust him every game until he remembers what a siege tank is.
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On June 05 2013 06:31 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene. that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash. You are joking? Flash is much stronger. then why isn't he here? ;p
-_- group selection, don't be pretend there aren't easy tournament runs.
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On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene. that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash. You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
Love to see some ev for this assertion. Flash gets a lot of hype and he performs vey well in proleague, but his strategic vision seems lacking even if his mechanics are impeccable. He's fizzled out of the GSL several times recently, so it seems that against top tier opponents in extended series hes a bit behind. He's not a bad player, but hes not ahead of players like INnoVation and Soulkey.
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imho the results or the placements are:
~Winners~
-Mvp , Kangho , Ryung , Alicia : best group they could asked for skill wise imo. teamkills sucks hard, but at the same time there is no alpha male here; no player that jumps out. all have shown some weakness so its an open group so to speak.
- aLive, TLO, and Stephano : imo they are all lower half skill wise of these 16, so being able to compete vs one another for 1 spot is a win imo. (these guys arent touching soulkey)
-Roro : getting Inno is unfortunate, but only has to beat revival and DIMAGA to move on. good odds for someone of Roro's skill.
~Losers~
-Axiom & IM : double team-kill group =(
ForGG : 2 korean region + NA winner = not advancing (also his best match is tvt and he doesnt get one)
DIMAGA: 2 korean region(1 of which is Bogus) + NA RU = not advancing
~Neutral result~
HerO , Symbol , sOs : could have been better, could have been worse. they are competing for 2 spots and there's no inno or soul.
- Revival : is tilted much more toward loser than winner due to getting bogus AND roro, but played a TON of zvz in the NA tourney so its an ok group for him. (inno isnt going to lose)
~Those that didnt care regardless~
Innovation & Soulkey : because they are that good.
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On June 05 2013 07:13 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 06:31 opterown wrote:On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene. that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash. You are joking? Flash is much stronger. then why isn't he here? ;p -_- group selection, don't be pretend there aren't easy tournament runs.
yes but if flash was "much stronger" than the other 6 he should be here, he place last in his group fair and square even though it was the hardest one
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People need to stop making absolute judgements about who's "much" better than who based on the last bo3 played between them. Today Soulkey is the best Zerg in the world, and Flash is not on the same level, in ro32 Code S, when Flash 2-0'ed Soulkey in a very one sided series, it was "Flash made Soulkey look like a scrub, he's on another level"
If the series between Innovation and Soulkey had been a bo5, it would have ended 3-0 and today everyone would be talking about how Soulkey got schooled and he has no chance of beating Innovation ever and he's not on the same level.
Flash actually has a winning record vs both Innovation and Soulkey.
Most people cite Rain as best Protoss in the world but he got knocked out in Ro32. It doesn't mean he's not good enough to be in the finals next season. The GSL is very cut throat, one bad day and you're out of the tournament for the next 2 months. The skill level is so high, that even the best of the best can't afford to have an off day, unlike in, say WCS EU, where someone like Stephano can manage to eek out wins to advance even when he's not playing well.
Flash, Innovation, Life, Soulkey, Parting etc, all these guys can beat each other or lose on a given day.
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On June 05 2013 06:31 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene. that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash. You are joking? Flash is much stronger. then why isn't he here? ;p
Because he didn't change his name to Johann and move to Germany.
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Mvp will win mark my words
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MVP OR INNOVATION.... TERRAN POWER!
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Group A: Soulkey and Stephano (Alive did pretty bad at WCS America, so no way he will win this group if he plays like that.
Group B Kangho and MVP, I think Kangho is the most underrated here, but he almost won vs SoS and he 3-0 bomber.
Group C: SoS and Symbol, Forgg has a pretty bad TvP and TvZ, and Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it
WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.
Group D: Innovation and Roro for some obvious reason.
Edit:
Ro8: Soulkey 3-2 Symbol
Stephano 0-3 SoS
MVP 3-2 Roro
Innovation 3-1 Kangho
Ro4:Soulkey 3-1 SoS
Innovation 3-1 Mvp
Finals: Innovation 4-3 Soulkey
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On June 05 2013 09:04 Scville wrote:
Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it
WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.
HerO, the person who dropped a single map up until the RO4. HerO who routinely players in Proleague? Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about what he has accomplished the past year.
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On June 05 2013 07:13 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene. that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash. You are joking? Flash is much stronger. Love to see some ev for this assertion. Flash gets a lot of hype and he performs vey well in proleague, but his strategic vision seems lacking even if his mechanics are impeccable. He's fizzled out of the GSL several times recently, so it seems that against top tier opponents in extended series hes a bit behind. He's not a bad player, but hes not ahead of players like INnoVation and Soulkey.
Wat..
So what exactly makes Soulkey and Innovation ahead of players like Flash and Life?
Because they've achieved better results in a singular tournament?
Are we playing the whole "what have you done for me lately" and discrediting the whole Life demolishing the MLG championships and Flash decimating everyone in SPL?
please, you are entitled to your own opinion but I think you're extremely far from the truth.
The truth is, players like Life, Flash, innovation Soulkey, they're all in the same group of S Class players. No one is "better" than the other because absolutely no players thus far has proven they're far greater than the rest of the competition. ESPECIALLY Innovation.
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the sad feeling i have about wcs season finals is that its actually worse than wcs korea :/
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Stephano and TLO also should be able to make the Ro8.
aLive isnt that great of a player admittingly and I feel TLO's recent performance shows he has a very strong possibility of beating aLive and ZvZ is a toss up.
Group A: Soulkey + Stephano or TLO
But dat video..
It's so cocky but it's admittingly the truth... sans very few players like Naniwa/Stephano and Pj, tracing all the way back to BW, it was a matter of which Korean is going to take it.
I don't think 3 foreigners will be able to take the championship but I hope they are able to at one point in HoTS in the WCS Seasons Finals.
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On June 05 2013 10:01 teddyoojo wrote:
the sad feeling i have about wcs season finals is that its actually worse than wcs korea :/
This is true...this sort of gives me those Ro32 Code S vibes to it. Not necessarily the best of the best competing.
It's amazing how many good players are missing out because of how stacked the WCS KR is: Life, Flash, Bomber, Parting, Rain etc. the list goes on and on.
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