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HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
June 05 2013 01:07 GMT
#401
Did Innovation really get a group with 3 Zergs in it? -_- jesus christ its going to be a slaughter
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MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
June 05 2013 01:09 GMT
#402
Stephano looked real good vs MVP even though he got a bit trounced by him.

I predict he is the most likely to advance. Hope TLO makes it, too.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
June 05 2013 01:18 GMT
#403
On June 05 2013 07:31 sitromit wrote:
People need to stop making absolute judgements about who's "much" better than who based on the last bo3 played between them. Today Soulkey is the best Zerg in the world, and Flash is not on the same level, in ro32 Code S, when Flash 2-0'ed Soulkey in a very one sided series, it was "Flash made Soulkey look like a scrub, he's on another level"

If the series between Innovation and Soulkey had been a bo5, it would have ended 3-0 and today everyone would be talking about how Soulkey got schooled and he has no chance of beating Innovation ever and he's not on the same level.

Flash actually has a winning record vs both Innovation and Soulkey.

Most people cite Rain as best Protoss in the world but he got knocked out in Ro32. It doesn't mean he's not good enough to be in the finals next season. The GSL is very cut throat, one bad day and you're out of the tournament for the next 2 months. The skill level is so high, that even the best of the best can't afford to have an off day, unlike in, say WCS EU, where someone like Stephano can manage to eek out wins to advance even when he's not playing well.

Flash, Innovation, Life, Soulkey, Parting etc, all these guys can beat each other or lose on a given day.


kinda sad that most people here on tl don't see things this way
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_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 05 2013 01:23 GMT
#404
On June 05 2013 07:27 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 07:13 Caihead wrote:
On June 05 2013 06:31 opterown wrote:
On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:
On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.

that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.

You are joking? Flash is much stronger.

then why isn't he here? ;p


-_- group selection, don't be pretend there aren't easy tournament runs.

yes but if flash was "much stronger" than the other 6 he should be here, he place last in his group fair and square even though it was the hardest one


Logic fail. Most of the others could easily have placed last in the same group, aside from Innovation obviously. Also a GSL group is only a few maps.
Red and yellow are all I see
weaknurse
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia320 Posts
June 05 2013 01:30 GMT
#405
Does anyone know when/where information on Group Start times etc. is released?
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 01:47:43
June 05 2013 01:46 GMT
#406
Love the video! So true ><

lol easy for Bogus to practice. Gonna destroy those Zergs
T P Z sagi
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
June 05 2013 02:03 GMT
#407
first time i watched the video myself. indeed it's awesome! so much truth
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Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 02:43:00
June 05 2013 02:42 GMT
#408
Hah, the only 3 Protoss hope.

Time for Blizzard to do something after WCS Final S1 if all Protoss dropped out in the first round.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
June 05 2013 02:45 GMT
#409
On June 05 2013 10:23 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 07:27 opterown wrote:
On June 05 2013 07:13 Caihead wrote:
On June 05 2013 06:31 opterown wrote:
On June 05 2013 06:19 hawk123 wrote:
On June 05 2013 05:51 Schelim wrote:
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote:
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.

that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.

You are joking? Flash is much stronger.

then why isn't he here? ;p


-_- group selection, don't be pretend there aren't easy tournament runs.

yes but if flash was "much stronger" than the other 6 he should be here, he place last in his group fair and square even though it was the hardest one


Logic fail. Most of the others could easily have placed last in the same group, aside from Innovation obviously. Also a GSL group is only a few maps.

so exactly how do you justify flash is 'much stronger' than bogus, soulkey, sos, symbol, roro and parting?

could have, would have... but didn't
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
June 05 2013 02:48 GMT
#410
On June 05 2013 09:55 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 09:04 Scville wrote:
Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it
WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.


HerO, the person who dropped a single map up until the RO4. HerO who routinely players in Proleague? Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about what he has accomplished the past year.

Every year, people say this about HerO. He's the Dreamhack champion, and he looked so strong playing against foreigners, he's a favorite to win his group in Blizzard Cup. Then HerO finishes last in his group, loses to everyone.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 05 2013 02:51 GMT
#411
On June 05 2013 11:48 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 09:55 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On June 05 2013 09:04 Scville wrote:
Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it
WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.


HerO, the person who dropped a single map up until the RO4. HerO who routinely players in Proleague? Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about what he has accomplished the past year.

Every year, people say this about HerO. He's the Dreamhack champion, and he looked so strong playing against foreigners, he's a favorite to win his group in Blizzard Cup. Then HerO finishes last in his group, loses to everyone.

Hey man, he went 1-3 last year beating Mvp
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nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
June 05 2013 02:58 GMT
#412
That video might have been a lot better if there were more foreign players involved in this. But since Koreans could play anywhere, this is not the case and the chances a foreigner wins are slim to none. Only 3 are participating in this.

I see TLO going the farthest if one is to do really well.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 04:44:29
June 05 2013 04:40 GMT
#413
Stephano as always will likely be the only foreigner advancing when all is said and done. Might even make the ro4 if they do draws and he lucks out with someone like Alicia, Ryung, or ForGG. But I don't see any of those making it out of their groups, the ro8 should be very cutthroat.

A: Soulkey/ Stephano

B: Losira/MVP

C: Symbol/sOs

D: Bogus/RorO

are my picks
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
June 05 2013 04:50 GMT
#414
On June 05 2013 11:48 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 09:55 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On June 05 2013 09:04 Scville wrote:
Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it
WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.


HerO, the person who dropped a single map up until the RO4. HerO who routinely players in Proleague? Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about what he has accomplished the past year.

Every year, people say this about HerO. He's the Dreamhack champion, and he looked so strong playing against foreigners, he's a favorite to win his group in Blizzard Cup. Then HerO finishes last in his group, loses to everyone.

This year is different we'll see
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Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
June 05 2013 04:57 GMT
#415
MVP and Innovation looks like have a very very good chance of making it out
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
June 05 2013 07:12 GMT
#416
does someone has any information about VOD? will they be accessible for free since it's the grand final?

For europeans it is almost impossible to watch because it starts at 3.a.m
Madest
Profile Joined June 2010
Ukraine179 Posts
June 05 2013 07:48 GMT
#417
What the fuck is this schedule? There are 3 Europeans, 0 NA players and will start at 3:00 CET? It was never the case with GSL.
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
June 05 2013 08:26 GMT
#418
On June 05 2013 16:12 klup wrote:
does someone has any information about VOD? will they be accessible for free since it's the grand final?

For europeans it is almost impossible to watch because it starts at 3.a.m


No. Check out http://www.twitch.tv/team/wcs_finals. You have to pay 4,99$ for TwitchVods (and other stuff).
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
June 05 2013 10:52 GMT
#419
I emailed gom and the WCS finals are not included in the yearly pass.

Gom is becoming great at fucking over its customers.
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
June 05 2013 11:51 GMT
#420
On June 05 2013 13:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Stephano as always will likely be the only foreigner advancing when all is said and done. Might even make the ro4 if they do draws and he lucks out with someone like Alicia, Ryung, or ForGG. But I don't see any of those making it out of their groups, the ro8 should be very cutthroat.

A: Soulkey/ Stephano

B: Losira/MVP

C: Symbol/sOs

D: Bogus/RorO

are my picks


Stephano ZvZ is shaky. I could see TLO knocking him off twice.
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