Poll: Which non-Korean will make it out of their group?
Stephano (107)
35%
None of them (89)
29%
TLO (62)
20%
Dimaga (13)
4%
All of them (10)
3%
Dimaga and Stephano (9)
3%
Stephano and TLO (8)
3%
TLO and Dimaga (5)
2%
303 total votes
Your vote: Which non-Korean will make it out of their group?
(Vote): Dimaga (Vote): Stephano (Vote): TLO (Vote): Dimaga and Stephano (Vote): Stephano and TLO (Vote): TLO and Dimaga (Vote): All of them (Vote): None of them
Poll: Group of Death?
HerO ForGG sOs Symbol (141)
65%
Soulkey aLive TLO Stephano (29)
13%
INnoVation Revival DIMAGA RorO (29)
13%
Mvp Ryung KangHo Alicia (19)
9%
218 total votes
Your vote: Group of Death?
(Vote): Soulkey aLive TLO Stephano (Vote): Mvp Ryung KangHo Alicia (Vote): HerO ForGG sOs Symbol (Vote): INnoVation Revival DIMAGA RorO
Round of 16 Group Selection Procedure
1. Each Region's #1 player will be seeded into Groups A ~ C
2. The Host Region (Korea)'s #2 player will be seeded into Group D
3. 2 more players will be seeded into Group A. Region will be selected by Lottery, and the next rank from the region will be seeded in.
4. Repeat step 3 for groups B ~ D
5. Starting with Group A, the last spot in each group will be seeded by random selection to complete the Round of 16.
Players will not be present, they will just be represented by balls in a box Casted by Monte Cristo & DoA
Selection procedure: 1. Each Region's #1 player will be seeded into Groups A-C 2. The Host Region (Korea)'s #2 player will be seeded into Group D 3. 2 more players will be seeded into Group A. Region will be selected by Lottery, and the next rank from the region will be seeded in. 4. Repeat step 3 for groups B-D 5. Starting with Group A, the last spot in each group will be seeded by random selection to complete the Round of 16.
On June 04 2013 18:04 Xacez wrote: Selection procedure: 1. Each Region's #1 player will be seeded into Groups A-C 2. The Host Region (Korea)'s #2 player will be seeded into Group D 3. 2 more players will be seeded into Group A. Region will be selected by Lottery, and the next rank from the region will be seeded in. 4. Repeat step 3 for groups B-D 5. Starting with Group A, the last spot in each group will be seeded by random selection to complete the Round of 16.
I do think Soulkey will lol his group no matter who is in it. Can't see him losing vs any race. Wouldn't mind seeing Stephano vs Hero though. Wouldn't mind to see who would win that
On June 04 2013 18:10 Big J wrote: wait, only 3 foreigners? A little heartbreaking to see those results again.
yeah ... its sad. I already tuned out again, really dont care with all these koreans ... once all seeds are korean maybe they ll realize this system is fucked up
Lol TLO tweeted about possibility of getting Innovation. I think his Roach all ins and Bane busts would put him in good stead vs a macro terran that is Innovation
On June 04 2013 18:10 Big J wrote: wait, only 3 foreigners? A little heartbreaking to see those results again.
yeah ... its sad. I already tuned out again, really dont care with all these koreans ... once all seeds are korean maybe they ll realize this system is fucked up
There is just to much depth in the Korean scene that even with all advantages they gave to home region players in early rounds in general it just wasn't enough.
Poll: Which non-Korean will make it out of their group?
Stephano (107)
35%
None of them (89)
29%
TLO (62)
20%
Dimaga (13)
4%
All of them (10)
3%
Dimaga and Stephano (9)
3%
Stephano and TLO (8)
3%
TLO and Dimaga (5)
2%
303 total votes
Your vote: Which non-Korean will make it out of their group?
(Vote): Dimaga (Vote): Stephano (Vote): TLO (Vote): Dimaga and Stephano (Vote): Stephano and TLO (Vote): TLO and Dimaga (Vote): All of them (Vote): None of them
On June 04 2013 18:32 Serinox wrote: Okay, that is the not so bad pick, but it still will be hard for HerO.
I'm liking his group! sOs is the strongest player there which is good since HerO's PvP seems the most stable for him atm. HerO's 4-1 against Roro I think (most recently won in PL) and ForGG is definitely the easiest player in the group.
On June 04 2013 18:29 a_flayer wrote: Is it weird that I think dimaga actually has a proper chance vs innovation?
It is man. Maybe you are fooled by lack of direct comparison between the WCS regions, but inno will walk over dimaga. Obviously dimaga will do a bust, but he is no SK, and as such innovation will have no problem with tuning down his greed, he can beat dimaga ez in a macro game even without the greedy style (vs SK, i am not so sure).
On June 04 2013 18:32 Serinox wrote: Okay, that is the not so bad pick, but it still will be hard for HerO.
I'm liking his group! sOs is the strongest player there which is good since HerO's PvP seems the most stable for him atm. HerO's 4-1 against Roro I think (most recently won in PL) and ForGG is definitely the easiest player in the group.
I wouldn't underestimate ForGG. He just beat Squirtle in the Numericable House Cup 2 and he did well against in the ATC.
On June 04 2013 18:32 Serinox wrote: Okay, that is the not so bad pick, but it still will be hard for HerO.
I'm liking his group! sOs is the strongest player there which is good since HerO's PvP seems the most stable for him atm. HerO's 4-1 against Roro I think (most recently won in PL) and ForGG is definitely the easiest player in the group.
I wouldn't underestimate ForGG. He just beat Squirtle in the Numericable House Cup 2 and he did well against in the ATC.
He did but Squirtle isn't too great right now + HerO seems really on point if he's not beating himself.
Oh also I meant to say HerO was 4-0 vs Symbol (GSL + Iron Squid) in initial post.
The aligulac predictions for group A seem kinda wonky because TLO is at #2. Although I like him I dont think his chances are that high because he is going to bring something unusual ... and that will most likely not work.
On June 04 2013 18:46 Rabiator wrote: The aligulac predictions for group A seem kinda wonky because TLO is at #2. Although I like him I dont think his chances are that high because he is going to bring something unusual ... and that will most likely not work.
TLO is better at ZvZ than Stephano, and can beat aLive as well.
I am SO pumped to see how the best of each region match up against each other. Sometimes it's hard to tell the relative strength of each region, like Revival/Alive doing so well recently in WCS America, yet have been whipping boys in Proleague.
On June 04 2013 18:58 Vanadium wrote: Hhahaaha, so nice for Innovation.
I am SO pumped to see how the best of each region match up against each other. Sometimes it's hard to tell the relative strength of each region, like Revival/Alive doing so well recently in WCS America, yet have been whipping boys in Proleague.
Man, indeed. Out of the 2 german players, Jürgen has the best chance to advance imo. Stephano should start training like hell or Jürgen will be the only foreigner to get out of the groups.
On June 04 2013 18:46 Rabiator wrote: The aligulac predictions for group A seem kinda wonky because TLO is at #2. Although I like him I dont think his chances are that high because he is going to bring something unusual ... and that will most likely not work.
TLO is better at ZvZ than Stephano, and can beat aLive as well.
On June 04 2013 19:05 opterown wrote: Soulkey, aLive Mvp, Ryung sOs, HerO Bogus, RorO
my pikcs for RO8!
TLO, Stephano Jürgen, KangHo HerO, Symbol INoVation, Dimaga
Totally going to happen!
SK not qualifying !?? Dunno why people continue to underestimate him, even after his victory over Bogus. Especially ZvZ I mean... TLO OR Stephano, there is a chance it happens, but both... no way. I don't think Dimaga stands a chance vs Roro (I don't even mention vs Innovation...) for qualifying but this is still more likely than SK not qualifying.
On June 04 2013 19:05 opterown wrote: Soulkey, aLive Mvp, Ryung sOs, HerO Bogus, RorO
my pikcs for RO8!
TLO, Stephano Jürgen, KangHo HerO, Symbol INoVation, Dimaga
Totally going to happen!
SK not qualifying !?? Dunno why people continue to underestimate him, even after his victory over Bogus. Especially ZvZ I mean... TLO OR Stephano, there is a chance it happens, but both... no way. I don't think Dimaga stands a chance vs Roro (I don't even mention vs Innovation...) for qualifying but this is still more likely than SK not qualifying.
Stop using your head. Just believe what your heart tells you!
On a different note: TLO and Stephano should be in Korea already, right? Could we see them in Proleague for EG-TL?
On June 04 2013 19:05 opterown wrote: Soulkey, aLive Mvp, Ryung sOs, HerO Bogus, RorO
my pikcs for RO8!
TLO, Stephano Jürgen, KangHo HerO, Symbol INoVation, Dimaga
Totally going to happen!
SK not qualifying !?? Dunno why people continue to underestimate him, even after his victory over Bogus. Especially ZvZ I mean... TLO OR Stephano, there is a chance it happens, but both... no way. I don't think Dimaga stands a chance vs Roro (I don't even mention vs Innovation...) for qualifying but this is still more likely than SK not qualifying.
Stop using your head. Just believe what your heart tells you!
On a different note: TLO and Stephano should be in Korea already, right? Could we see them in Proleague for EG-TL?
TLO has been in Korea for 2 or 3 days now. Stephano I have no idea
On June 04 2013 19:05 opterown wrote: Soulkey, aLive Mvp, Ryung sOs, HerO Bogus, RorO
my pikcs for RO8!
TLO, Stephano Jürgen, KangHo HerO, Symbol INoVation, Dimaga
Totally going to happen!
SK not qualifying !?? Dunno why people continue to underestimate him, even after his victory over Bogus. Especially ZvZ I mean... TLO OR Stephano, there is a chance it happens, but both... no way. I don't think Dimaga stands a chance vs Roro (I don't even mention vs Innovation...) for qualifying but this is still more likely than SK not qualifying.
Stop using your head. Just believe what your heart tells you!
On a different note: TLO and Stephano should be in Korea already, right? Could we see them in Proleague for EG-TL?
TLO has been in Korea for 2 or 3 days now. Stephano I have no idea
Yep european seems quite fucked up in this series. The only hope is that stephano take aLive down while avoiding to loose to TLO. Dimaga won't get a chance against RoRo and Innovation.
Overall the interest for these group stage is very fucked up by the predominance of ZvZ matchup in two of them that is not so fun to watch...
Hope in the quarterfinal we will avoid mirrors.
Yeah anybody heard about the disponibility of VOD? will it be free? because for europe the group stage at 3.a.m casting is not possible to watch.
I love Dimaga but I don't think he has much of a chance against either Kespa player. TLO and Stephano have the best shot at advancing but Soulkey is fantastic at ZvZ and aLive is no slouch either.
Innovation has the easiest group of his life. Soulkey should win his easily too, same as Mvp(but this can be a bit tougher than it looks like), the only unpredictable group is group C. I know that two players are going through, but it is hard to predict the second player in any group.
On June 04 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote: MVP v anyone Innovation vs Soulkey rematch TLO vs DIMAGA
my most preferred finals!
Edit: holy shit, seeing the Jurgen-MVP TLPD link in the main post made me click it, and then i noticed "da fuq, he lost his last 10 zerg matches?"
MVP was 2:18 in his last 20 matches in WoL :| Yet... the dude can still win it
Edit Edit: and hes 19:1 in his last 20 matches at the moment lol Jurgen > MVP
Wow that final against Life really broke him. I guess that's when and why he stopped practicing very much. For the end of WoL he seems to have spiraled into this bad habit of training less, get worse, lose matches, feel even less like training, etc. But, now the Jürgen is here! In a group with the other IM player. Goddamn it, hopefully they'll both make it out. D:
Innovation is going to have a field day with all those Zergs in his group. Don't see anyone stopping an Innovation Soulkey final rematch as long as they are on different halves of the draw. Some awesome matches coming up, shame life and flash aren't here.
I mean any combination of players would have made a tough group but despite that I can't help but think my three protoss hopes got a really decent draw.
On other notes, TLO is dead, and Revival gets more ZvZvZ
On June 04 2013 19:05 opterown wrote: Soulkey, aLive Mvp, Ryung sOs, HerO Bogus, RorO
my pikcs for RO8!
TLO, Stephano Jürgen, KangHo HerO, Symbol INoVation, Dimaga
Totally going to happen!
SK not qualifying !?? Dunno why people continue to underestimate him, even after his victory over Bogus. Especially ZvZ I mean... TLO OR Stephano, there is a chance it happens, but both... no way. I don't think Dimaga stands a chance vs Roro (I don't even mention vs Innovation...) for qualifying but this is still more likely than SK not qualifying.
Stop using your head. Just believe what your heart tells you!
On a different note: TLO and Stephano should be in Korea already, right? Could we see them in Proleague for EG-TL?
Fait enoguh Well to be frank if I had to mix in a small amout of rationality in this I would at least keep SK in 1st place of group A.
On June 04 2013 22:24 weiliem wrote: This is no where as excited as WCS Korea. Lol, competition seems way less. Innovation, Soulkey and sOs should take this easily....
On June 04 2013 23:04 Ctesias wrote: This should be good. Innovation ought to take it pretty easily, unless he faces Soulkey in the finals again.
Still, it's a bit ironic that the WCS Korea games themselves had a much stronger line up than this.
Why is it ironic or surprising that WCS Korea had a stronger line up than this? This includes players from other regions that in general are weaker than Korea so this should be expected...
On June 04 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote: MVP v anyone Innovation vs Soulkey rematch TLO vs DIMAGA
my most preferred finals!
Edit: holy shit, seeing the Jurgen-MVP TLPD link in the main post made me click it, and then i noticed "da fuq, he lost his last 10 zerg matches?"
MVP was 2:18 in his last 20 matches in WoL :| Yet... the dude can still win it
Edit Edit: and hes 19:1 in his last 20 matches at the moment lol Jurgen > MVP
A bit misleading.
In WoL he was losing to Koreans in GSL, in HotS so far, he's been beating foreigners in Europe. He has yet to prove himself against good players. The only Koreans he beat in HotS are Golden, Dream and MKP.
On June 04 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote: MVP v anyone Innovation vs Soulkey rematch TLO vs DIMAGA
my most preferred finals!
Edit: holy shit, seeing the Jurgen-MVP TLPD link in the main post made me click it, and then i noticed "da fuq, he lost his last 10 zerg matches?"
MVP was 2:18 in his last 20 matches in WoL :| Yet... the dude can still win it
Edit Edit: and hes 19:1 in his last 20 matches at the moment lol Jurgen > MVP
A bit misleading.
In WoL he was losing to Koreans in GSL, in HotS so far, he's been beating foreigners in Europe. He has yet to prove himself against good players. The only Koreans he beat in HotS are Golden, Dream and MKP.
On June 04 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote: MVP v anyone Innovation vs Soulkey rematch TLO vs DIMAGA
my most preferred finals!
Edit: holy shit, seeing the Jurgen-MVP TLPD link in the main post made me click it, and then i noticed "da fuq, he lost his last 10 zerg matches?"
MVP was 2:18 in his last 20 matches in WoL :| Yet... the dude can still win it
Edit Edit: and hes 19:1 in his last 20 matches at the moment lol Jurgen > MVP
A bit misleading.
In WoL he was losing to Koreans in GSL, in HotS so far, he's been beating foreigners in Europe. He has yet to prove himself against good players. The only Koreans he beat in HotS are Golden, Dream and MKP.
Curious was at the MLG showdowns during beta when majority of the players hadn't even touched HotS. He used Hellbat drops before they were nerfed twice.
Nestea was even before that, in the first ever HotS showmatch very early during the beta, when it was a completely different game.
On June 04 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote: MVP v anyone Innovation vs Soulkey rematch TLO vs DIMAGA
my most preferred finals!
Edit: holy shit, seeing the Jurgen-MVP TLPD link in the main post made me click it, and then i noticed "da fuq, he lost his last 10 zerg matches?"
MVP was 2:18 in his last 20 matches in WoL :| Yet... the dude can still win it
Edit Edit: and hes 19:1 in his last 20 matches at the moment lol Jurgen > MVP
A bit misleading.
In WoL he was losing to Koreans in GSL, in HotS so far, he's been beating foreigners in Europe. He has yet to prove himself against good players. The only Koreans he beat in HotS are Golden, Dream and MKP.
And he 3-0 Curious back when Hellbat Drops was OP.(Cargo Size could fit 4 Hellbats and transformation did not require a upgrade but only needed Armory as a prerequisite) Go look at those games my friend. He practically killed Curious just with Hellbat drops.
MKP reached 1st GM during those time abusing Hellbat drops.
in the video they talk about foreigns cant win there and stuff, but NA sends 5 koreans and EU sends 2 so i dont rly get the video, or does the na koreans count as foreigns ? ^^
or they mean TLO stephano and DImaga but they are 3-13 so its rly hard for them to make top4 ... i still hope tlo can do it i dont know how but ... i pray
Looks like there are decent chances that either TLO or Stephano will make it out of their group, considering the level of play aLive has showed recently. But to mee it looks like DIMAGA is in a looot of trouble
On June 05 2013 00:23 ZenithM wrote: Top Koreans like Soulkey or Innovation have never looked so far away from the foreign competition. They're like 2-3 ladder leagues apart.
I feel the same. Still, would be interesting to see how just how far that gap really is. Soulkey will play either TLO/Stephano and RorO will play against Dimaga. Soulkey will probably roll over them since he's beast in ZvZ
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
On June 04 2013 18:04 Laryleprakon wrote: I really hope this isn't fully random, I want to see the best players in the ro8 not just people who got a lucky group.
wow the discrediting already started... lol that was unexpected.
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
Wait, I subscribe to gom yet I'm not getting VOD's for this?
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
Wait, I subscribe to gom yet I'm not getting VOD's for this?
On June 05 2013 00:59 Derez wrote: Time for Innovation to redeem himself with a TvZ only victory.
On June 05 2013 00:50 Proseat wrote:
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
Wait, I subscribe to gom yet I'm not getting VOD's for this?
Bogus gonna 3-0 his group.
Dropping even a map will be a huge upset.
He would need to 4-0 to advance. If you're talking about match score and not maps, then he'd need to go back and beat someone a second time after advancing. Either way, that isn't a likely score.
Soulkey and Innovation final once again. Unless random bracket put them against each other sooner than they should. Or MVP vs SK/Inno and MVP takes it all will be awesome as well
On June 05 2013 00:59 Derez wrote: Time for Innovation to redeem himself with a TvZ only victory.
On June 05 2013 00:50 Proseat wrote:
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
Wait, I subscribe to gom yet I'm not getting VOD's for this?
Okay I missed the drawing but I'm really confused here. When I happened upon the thread I saw the rules in the OP but they make no sense with the results. in particular...
3. 2 more players will be seeded into Group A. Region will be selected by Lottery, and the next rank from the region will be seeded in.
4. Repeat step 3 for groups B ~ D
Now this is where it throws me, I am assuming rank has to to where they finished in their respective regions, so if this is how it went, group A by lottery drew NA first, well the next rank in there would have been Revival who finished 2nd, not Alive who finished 3rd/4th, and then EU would have been drawn and then the next rank should have been Stephano who finished 2nd not TLO who finished 5. And this goes on with the groups. At least by how I'm interpreting the rules the first 3 people in each group should be:
Group A: Soulkey - Revival - Stephano Group B: Mvp - Ryung - Symbol Group C: HerO - ForGG - sOs Group D: INnoVation - aLive - DIMAGA
With RorO - TLO - Alicia - KangHo left to be determined by random draw
And in just doing this I see how unbalanced this is giving a huge leg up to later groups, so I have to missing a piece to the puzzle here. So where am I going wrong? Or if someone could just point me to the VOD of the drawing (English casting please) so I can see what happened myself, cause I have to be misinterpreting the rules somehow.
On June 05 2013 02:27 Darmuth wrote: Okay I missed the drawing but I'm really confused here. When I happened upon the thread I saw the rules in the OP but they make no sense with the results. in particular...
3. 2 more players will be seeded into Group A. Region will be selected by Lottery, and the next rank from the region will be seeded in.
4. Repeat step 3 for groups B ~ D
Now this is where it throws me, I am assuming rank has to to where they finished in their respective regions, so if this is how it went, group A by lottery drew NA first, well the next rank in there would have been Revival who finished 2nd, not Alive who finished 3rd/4th, and then EU would have been drawn and then the next rank should have been Stephano who finished 2nd not TLO who finished 5. And this goes on with the groups. At least by how I'm interpreting the rules the first 3 people in each group should be:
Group A: Soulkey - Revival - Stephano Group B: Mvp - Ryung - Symbol Group C: HerO - ForGG - sOs Group D: INnoVation - aLive - DIMAGA
With RorO - TLO - Alicia - KangHo left to be determined by random draw
And in just doing this I see how unbalanced this is giving a huge leg up to later groups, so I have to missing a piece to the puzzle here. So where am I going wrong? Or if someone could just point me to the VOD of the drawing (English casting please) so I can see what happened myself, cause I have to be misinterpreting the rules somehow.
They only seeded in the three WCS winners and the 2nd place of host country Korea (Innovation). Everyone else was drawn from pods so that each group had one player from KR, AM, and EU. So for soulkey's group they drew from the AM pod and the EU pod. For the last four players, they were put in one container and drawn randomly for each remaining group spot.
On June 05 2013 02:27 Darmuth wrote: Okay I missed the drawing but I'm really confused here. When I happened upon the thread I saw the rules in the OP but they make no sense with the results. in particular...
3. 2 more players will be seeded into Group A. Region will be selected by Lottery, and the next rank from the region will be seeded in.
4. Repeat step 3 for groups B ~ D
Now this is where it throws me, I am assuming rank has to to where they finished in their respective regions, so if this is how it went, group A by lottery drew NA first, well the next rank in there would have been Revival who finished 2nd, not Alive who finished 3rd/4th, and then EU would have been drawn and then the next rank should have been Stephano who finished 2nd not TLO who finished 5. And this goes on with the groups. At least by how I'm interpreting the rules the first 3 people in each group should be:
Group A: Soulkey - Revival - Stephano Group B: Mvp - Ryung - Symbol Group C: HerO - ForGG - sOs Group D: INnoVation - aLive - DIMAGA
With RorO - TLO - Alicia - KangHo left to be determined by random draw
And in just doing this I see how unbalanced this is giving a huge leg up to later groups, so I have to missing a piece to the puzzle here. So where am I going wrong? Or if someone could just point me to the VOD of the drawing (English casting please) so I can see what happened myself, cause I have to be misinterpreting the rules somehow.
They only seeded in the three WCS winners and the 2nd place of host country Korea (Innovation). Everyone else was drawn from pods so that each group had one player from KR, AM, and EU. So for soulkey's group they drew from the AM pod and the EU pod. For the last four players, they were put in one container and drawn randomly for each remaining group spot.
AH so ...
3. 2 more players will be seeded into Group A. Region will be selected by Lottery, and the next rank from the region will be seeded in."
...from the OP was pretty much wrong then. Was random region, and once that was figured out random from within region now see that makes a lot more sense.
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
To come back to this, going by the graphic on this page:
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
To come back to this, going by the graphic on this page:
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
To come back to this, going by the graphic on this page:
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
To come back to this, going by the graphic on this page:
On June 05 2013 00:07 vandelayindustries wrote: So I'm a bit confused still—we do need to purchase the premium ticket to get access to any VODs? I asked on GOM's forum yesterday but got no response.
I wonder as well. I would like to watch the VOD as the live stream is on at times when I'm at work. This is part of the conclusion of this first season where WCS KR was produced by GOM. I have a year-long premium+ subscription with GOM. Yet I cannot watch anything of the season finals now. I wish Blizzard actually helped out in this regard, as OGN is hard to interact with. Or is Doa around and can help with this?
To come back to this, going by the graphic on this page:
I assume the slightly yellow colored boxes signify what's included in a ticket and that all the yearly GSL passes cover the WCS final VOD's too.
Yeah but I'm not sure that the WCS global finals don't count as an Extra Tournament.
Ah yes they could play it like that.
Would be insane if Gom screws over yearly pass holders even more after devauling the pass all year long already.
agreed. i would appreciate my yearly ticket allowing me to watch at least the VODs from the actual GOMTV broadcast for this event.
The season finals are an integral part of WCS hosted by the Korean region as the starter this year. Would be really dumb if it was excluded from the yearly passes.
Can somebody subscribed to their Twitch channel confirm whether they have the VOD there?
But I don't want to subscribe there as well when I already hold a premium+ yearly pass for gomtv.net (as it used to be). If the group selection stream feed from OGN was recorded on GOM's Twitch channel, I really REALLY hope they will also make it available on gomtv.net to their original subscribers.
I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
on the flipside, Rain who is the best proleague player and probably best Protoss disnt even make it through the gsl ro32. Thats just how it is in tournaments. The best are the guys that make it, not the ones who were good in other tournaments.
That's what makes the GSL so interesting because practically every round/group stage you will have at least two heavy weights going head to head against one another. I think we need to see more heavy weights facing one another on a more frequent basis to bring up the entertainment factor.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
There so many good korean players it feels like a fraction of what it could be. I mean the case could be made the top proleague players should be in there if your trying to find the best. Flash, rain, life, parting and some others are probably deserving of being in there, but I guess you cant have everyone. If I was in innovations group I think my strat is to roach baneling bust him every game until he remembers what a siege tank is.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
then why isn't he here? ;p
-_- group selection, don't be pretend there aren't easy tournament runs.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
Love to see some ev for this assertion. Flash gets a lot of hype and he performs vey well in proleague, but his strategic vision seems lacking even if his mechanics are impeccable. He's fizzled out of the GSL several times recently, so it seems that against top tier opponents in extended series hes a bit behind. He's not a bad player, but hes not ahead of players like INnoVation and Soulkey.
imho the results or the placements are: ~Winners~ -Mvp , Kangho , Ryung , Alicia : best group they could asked for skill wise imo. teamkills sucks hard, but at the same time there is no alpha male here; no player that jumps out. all have shown some weakness so its an open group so to speak. - aLive, TLO, and Stephano : imo they are all lower half skill wise of these 16, so being able to compete vs one another for 1 spot is a win imo. (these guys arent touching soulkey) -Roro : getting Inno is unfortunate, but only has to beat revival and DIMAGA to move on. good odds for someone of Roro's skill.
~Losers~ -Axiom & IM : double team-kill group =( ForGG : 2 korean region + NA winner = not advancing (also his best match is tvt and he doesnt get one) DIMAGA: 2 korean region(1 of which is Bogus) + NA RU = not advancing
~Neutral result~ HerO , Symbol , sOs : could have been better, could have been worse. they are competing for 2 spots and there's no inno or soul. - Revival : is tilted much more toward loser than winner due to getting bogus AND roro, but played a TON of zvz in the NA tourney so its an ok group for him. (inno isnt going to lose)
~Those that didnt care regardless~ Innovation & Soulkey : because they are that good.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
then why isn't he here? ;p
-_- group selection, don't be pretend there aren't easy tournament runs.
yes but if flash was "much stronger" than the other 6 he should be here, he place last in his group fair and square even though it was the hardest one
People need to stop making absolute judgements about who's "much" better than who based on the last bo3 played between them. Today Soulkey is the best Zerg in the world, and Flash is not on the same level, in ro32 Code S, when Flash 2-0'ed Soulkey in a very one sided series, it was "Flash made Soulkey look like a scrub, he's on another level"
If the series between Innovation and Soulkey had been a bo5, it would have ended 3-0 and today everyone would be talking about how Soulkey got schooled and he has no chance of beating Innovation ever and he's not on the same level.
Flash actually has a winning record vs both Innovation and Soulkey.
Most people cite Rain as best Protoss in the world but he got knocked out in Ro32. It doesn't mean he's not good enough to be in the finals next season. The GSL is very cut throat, one bad day and you're out of the tournament for the next 2 months. The skill level is so high, that even the best of the best can't afford to have an off day, unlike in, say WCS EU, where someone like Stephano can manage to eek out wins to advance even when he's not playing well.
Flash, Innovation, Life, Soulkey, Parting etc, all these guys can beat each other or lose on a given day.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
then why isn't he here? ;p
Because he didn't change his name to Johann and move to Germany.
Group A: Soulkey and Stephano (Alive did pretty bad at WCS America, so no way he will win this group if he plays like that.
Group B Kangho and MVP, I think Kangho is the most underrated here, but he almost won vs SoS and he 3-0 bomber.
Group C: SoS and Symbol, Forgg has a pretty bad TvP and TvZ, and Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.
Group D: Innovation and Roro for some obvious reason.
Edit:
Ro8: Soulkey 3-2 Symbol Stephano 0-3 SoS MVP 3-2 Roro Innovation 3-1 Kangho Ro4:Soulkey 3-1 SoS Innovation 3-1 Mvp Finals: Innovation 4-3 Soulkey
On June 05 2013 09:04 Scville wrote: Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.
HerO, the person who dropped a single map up until the RO4. HerO who routinely players in Proleague? Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about what he has accomplished the past year.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
Love to see some ev for this assertion. Flash gets a lot of hype and he performs vey well in proleague, but his strategic vision seems lacking even if his mechanics are impeccable. He's fizzled out of the GSL several times recently, so it seems that against top tier opponents in extended series hes a bit behind. He's not a bad player, but hes not ahead of players like INnoVation and Soulkey.
Wat..
So what exactly makes Soulkey and Innovation ahead of players like Flash and Life? Because they've achieved better results in a singular tournament? Are we playing the whole "what have you done for me lately" and discrediting the whole Life demolishing the MLG championships and Flash decimating everyone in SPL?
please, you are entitled to your own opinion but I think you're extremely far from the truth. The truth is, players like Life, Flash, innovation Soulkey, they're all in the same group of S Class players. No one is "better" than the other because absolutely no players thus far has proven they're far greater than the rest of the competition. ESPECIALLY Innovation.
Stephano and TLO also should be able to make the Ro8. aLive isnt that great of a player admittingly and I feel TLO's recent performance shows he has a very strong possibility of beating aLive and ZvZ is a toss up.
Group A: Soulkey + Stephano or TLO
But dat video.. It's so cocky but it's admittingly the truth... sans very few players like Naniwa/Stephano and Pj, tracing all the way back to BW, it was a matter of which Korean is going to take it. I don't think 3 foreigners will be able to take the championship but I hope they are able to at one point in HoTS in the WCS Seasons Finals.
On June 05 2013 10:01 teddyoojo wrote: the sad feeling i have about wcs season finals is that its actually worse than wcs korea :/
This is true...this sort of gives me those Ro32 Code S vibes to it. Not necessarily the best of the best competing. It's amazing how many good players are missing out because of how stacked the WCS KR is: Life, Flash, Bomber, Parting, Rain etc. the list goes on and on.
On June 05 2013 07:31 sitromit wrote: People need to stop making absolute judgements about who's "much" better than who based on the last bo3 played between them. Today Soulkey is the best Zerg in the world, and Flash is not on the same level, in ro32 Code S, when Flash 2-0'ed Soulkey in a very one sided series, it was "Flash made Soulkey look like a scrub, he's on another level"
If the series between Innovation and Soulkey had been a bo5, it would have ended 3-0 and today everyone would be talking about how Soulkey got schooled and he has no chance of beating Innovation ever and he's not on the same level.
Flash actually has a winning record vs both Innovation and Soulkey.
Most people cite Rain as best Protoss in the world but he got knocked out in Ro32. It doesn't mean he's not good enough to be in the finals next season. The GSL is very cut throat, one bad day and you're out of the tournament for the next 2 months. The skill level is so high, that even the best of the best can't afford to have an off day, unlike in, say WCS EU, where someone like Stephano can manage to eek out wins to advance even when he's not playing well.
Flash, Innovation, Life, Soulkey, Parting etc, all these guys can beat each other or lose on a given day.
kinda sad that most people here on tl don't see things this way
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
then why isn't he here? ;p
-_- group selection, don't be pretend there aren't easy tournament runs.
yes but if flash was "much stronger" than the other 6 he should be here, he place last in his group fair and square even though it was the hardest one
Logic fail. Most of the others could easily have placed last in the same group, aside from Innovation obviously. Also a GSL group is only a few maps.
On June 05 2013 05:43 Ksi wrote: I hate how the GSL group of death means there's no Life, Parting or Flash in this tournament. WCS is such a mess. Either region lock the shit or give Koreans 12 out of the 16 seeds and bump the GSL prizepool to 4x the other WCS tournies. The current format just robs us of seeing the best players compete against each other while simultaneously stomping on the neck of the entire non-korean scene.
that's not quite how it works. two people advance from the group, so the group of death actually had nothing to do with Parting not being in this tournament. he did make it to the round of 8, he just lost there and in his 5th/6th place consolation match. i see what you're saying in general though, but i'm not sure either of Flash or Life are significantly stronger than the 6 WCS KR guys that made it, especially not Flash.
You are joking? Flash is much stronger.
then why isn't he here? ;p
-_- group selection, don't be pretend there aren't easy tournament runs.
yes but if flash was "much stronger" than the other 6 he should be here, he place last in his group fair and square even though it was the hardest one
Logic fail. Most of the others could easily have placed last in the same group, aside from Innovation obviously. Also a GSL group is only a few maps.
so exactly how do you justify flash is 'much stronger' than bogus, soulkey, sos, symbol, roro and parting?
On June 05 2013 09:04 Scville wrote: Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.
HerO, the person who dropped a single map up until the RO4. HerO who routinely players in Proleague? Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about what he has accomplished the past year.
Every year, people say this about HerO. He's the Dreamhack champion, and he looked so strong playing against foreigners, he's a favorite to win his group in Blizzard Cup. Then HerO finishes last in his group, loses to everyone.
On June 05 2013 09:04 Scville wrote: Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.
HerO, the person who dropped a single map up until the RO4. HerO who routinely players in Proleague? Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about what he has accomplished the past year.
Every year, people say this about HerO. He's the Dreamhack champion, and he looked so strong playing against foreigners, he's a favorite to win his group in Blizzard Cup. Then HerO finishes last in his group, loses to everyone.
That video might have been a lot better if there were more foreign players involved in this. But since Koreans could play anywhere, this is not the case and the chances a foreigner wins are slim to none. Only 3 are participating in this.
I see TLO going the farthest if one is to do really well.
Stephano as always will likely be the only foreigner advancing when all is said and done. Might even make the ro4 if they do draws and he lucks out with someone like Alicia, Ryung, or ForGG. But I don't see any of those making it out of their groups, the ro8 should be very cutthroat.
On June 05 2013 09:04 Scville wrote: Hero, well he did well but not enough, he barely made it WCS America koreans are good, but you really can't compare them to SoS and Symbol, sorry.
HerO, the person who dropped a single map up until the RO4. HerO who routinely players in Proleague? Yeah, you clearly don't know anything about what he has accomplished the past year.
Every year, people say this about HerO. He's the Dreamhack champion, and he looked so strong playing against foreigners, he's a favorite to win his group in Blizzard Cup. Then HerO finishes last in his group, loses to everyone.
On June 05 2013 13:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Stephano as always will likely be the only foreigner advancing when all is said and done. Might even make the ro4 if they do draws and he lucks out with someone like Alicia, Ryung, or ForGG. But I don't see any of those making it out of their groups, the ro8 should be very cutthroat.
A: Soulkey/ Stephano
B: Losira/MVP
C: Symbol/sOs
D: Bogus/RorO
are my picks
Stephano ZvZ is shaky. I could see TLO knocking him off twice.
Yeah, seems to be starting at 3 AM in Europe But I guess one region had to have that time spot... I'm sure if/when it's being held in Europe it would be at a decent time for us.
I hope there will be VODs available, because otherwise I won't be able to watch any of this.
On June 06 2013 02:38 Saumure wrote: Is it just me or are the finals starting at 3 AM in Europe (CEST)?? Also, I think Innovation will have a fun time Nice group
sorry to hear that =( here in the US we are the ones that normally get time-screwed tho code S starts at 2am.
On June 05 2013 19:52 Derez wrote: I emailed gom and the WCS finals are not included in the yearly pass.
Gom is becoming great at fucking over its customers.
Isnt this season final hosted by OGN and not gom? gom cant give you vods of something they dont own.
Well they clearly got vods since they will stream it. Otherwise they can't sell it after all. In the yearly pass it saids it includes everything so i don't see the reason why it shouldn't include this. I like GOM but more and more i am regretting renewing my yearly pass.
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OGN: http://www.twitch.tv/team/wcs_finals![[image loading]](https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/945275_524296087629860_926050581_n.jpg)
HerO, 
Revival, 
Ryung, ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IByO7.png)
aLive is picked for group A!
TLO!
ForGG !!
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